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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
May 13 2009 15:39 GMT
#1501
they could have won if only they took care of the ball and slowed the game down. jacking up 3's early in each possession is like giving the game away.

http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=677
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Eniram
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Sudan3166 Posts
May 13 2009 17:18 GMT
#1502
On May 13 2009 12:15 KOFgokuon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2009 11:49 tttt wrote:
I hope Artest rips off one of Kobe's limbs and violently rapes him with it.


You can like take a newb to like water, but you cant like make a newb drink. Ya know? - Jeremy
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
May 13 2009 17:44 GMT
#1503
le sigh.
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
May 13 2009 17:50 GMT
#1504
lol man... Hollinger just rolled Dwight:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=PERDiem-090513

gg no re motherfucker! LEARN BETTER OFFENSE HO!

but seriously, this is very true... he isn't a fluid offensive player like Shaq or Hakeem or any of the great centers; his scores come mostly from offensive boards or some sort of interior cutting + passing to him when he's open.

this is good because hopefully (if he takes Hollinger's advice) he will have a clear weakness (1on1 post offense) that he can work on over the summer... so that next year he can come in and take 20 shots per game and average 40 points,
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shmay
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States1091 Posts
May 13 2009 18:46 GMT
#1505
didnt read the article, but they really do rarely feed dwight in the post. he's just sorta the garbage man on offense, gets to clean up the others' mistakes.

i can't figure it out. the guy is a monstrosity but they never pass him the ball. drives me crazy.
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
May 13 2009 18:58 GMT
#1506
On May 13 2009 23:19 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2009 16:06 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
I know Van Gundy's supposed to be a brilliant coach...

Seriously, I want to know where you heard this. Did you hear his explanation for the lineup change after Orlando got its big lead?

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"I thought we had a couple of good drives, but I’m not sure we should be driving the ball in Boston late in games," said Van Gundy. "We should probably just be looking for jump shots. “[Hedo Turkoglu, Rafer Alston] are pretty sure that they drove and got contact. Hedo went by [Paul] Pierce, took the ball at the basket, and [Kendrick] Perkins went up in the air, and they’re both trying to draw fouls in that instance. We’ve talked about that -- when you’re playing Boston, I don’t care if its here or in Orlando, you’re not getting that call. Fouled or not, you’re not getting the call.”
? Driving the ball is working, but you decide to switch to jump shooting because the refs didn't call the non-foul on Turk one time?

And now Dwight isn't too happy.
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“I would just say it’s tough to win all season when you play inside-out with people who got you off to a good season. I think I’m capable of scoring in the post," Howard said after the Magic blew a 14-point fourth-quarter lead and lost 92-88. "I don’t’ want to say it’s all about offense. But when you have a dominant player, let him be dominant.”

Howard didn't get a shot in the last six minutes. "I have to do it defensively where I have to be more aggressive and offensively I have to get the ball. I don't think you are going to win a lot of games when your post player only gets 10 shots, he said.

"It's tough to get yourself going and get a lot of shots without a lot of touches. We have to do a better job with that."

“The coaches have to recognize what’s working on the floor. Stick to it. Even if it’s half your starters on the floor. Not just the guys you have put the most trust in. You have to have trust in everybody," Howard said.


"We moved the ball, we ran, got easy shots, and our coach has to recognize when he was a certain group out there and they are getting the job done and we have to leave those guys on the floor. We are going to make mistakes, but I think you have to go with what works."


I remember reading from numerous articles and hearing commentary during games that SVG is considered one of the better coaching minds in the NBA. They cited his work with the Heat (before Riley stepped in after SVG had laid all the groundwork), and his development of the Magic into a strong contender in a relatively short period of time. To be fair, he turned Turkoglu into almost-Allstar material, Shard into a legitimate PF who plays some defense, and developed DHow into the Defensive Player of the Year. One can argue whether all of these players would've reached those points on their own, particularly DHow, but those are some positive facts on his side. I've also heard that he is VERY detailed and knows a LOT about basketball, so much that other coaches take note of it.

Regardless though, I have to agree that SVG has not covered himself in glory in the playoffs. More than his inability to make DHow a factor (which I think is due more to DHow's deficiencies on offense and Boston's focus on stopping him), I have issues with how he utilizes Turkoglu and Shard. He basically lets Turk play as a SG, with high screens out beyond the 3pt line, as opposed to letting him take advantage of his significant size advantage against those who have guarded him in this series. When Boston goes small and puts Ray Allen on Turk, they should immediately take advantage of the size difference and post Allen up to force a double-team and create offense from there. Instead, they continue to try to set up Turk for drives, despite him being significantly slower than Ray. This hurts them on defense because they let the Celtics get away with putting such a small player on Turk and allow him to utilize his speed advantage in the matchup the other way. SVG's decision to pull DHow out of the paint on offense to give screens also seems questionable since it takes him away from the basket and makes it very unlikely that DHow will get any offensive boards since he'll always be behind his man after setting screens that far out.
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XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
May 13 2009 19:03 GMT
#1507
On May 14 2009 03:46 shmay wrote:
didnt read the article, but they really do rarely feed dwight in the post. he's just sorta the garbage man on offense, gets to clean up the others' mistakes.

i can't figure it out. the guy is a monstrosity but they never pass him the ball. drives me crazy.


If you watch how he plays, particularly against Perkins, you'd understand. He is ineffectual on offense unless he is being set up by other players. Dumping the ball into him to go 1-on-1 against Perkins usually results in a poor shot, and the C's don't double him so he doesn't create offense for others.
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il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
May 13 2009 19:14 GMT
#1508
Dwight is pissed at Stan Van Gundy

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AlxvenVZ4d8EWqZNonpbnF45nYcB?slug=aw-magichoward051209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
May 13 2009 19:27 GMT
#1509
He has good reason to be.
He's correct.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
May 13 2009 20:11 GMT
#1510
Orlando has a terrible habit of giving up leads in these playoffs.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
May 13 2009 20:14 GMT
#1511
But, yes Howard needs to have more touches. It's ridiculous for an all-star to get so little touches in a game.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
May 13 2009 20:22 GMT
#1512
oh man hollinger
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
May 13 2009 20:31 GMT
#1513
Everyone makes too much about the ORL offense and DH's touches. BOS scored 33 points the last quarter (to 21 by ORL - which with that intentionally misssed free throw it would have been 22, exactly what they scored in quarters 1 and 3... and only 1 point less that Q2). Granted, some BOS points came of turnovers, ORL still needed to do a better job on DEFENSE. DH got ONE rebound in Q4. That has nothing to do with people not giving him touches.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-13 23:26:27
May 13 2009 23:21 GMT
#1514
On May 14 2009 05:31 citi.zen wrote:
Everyone makes too much about the ORL offense and DH's touches. BOS scored 33 points the last quarter (to 21 by ORL - which with that intentionally misssed free throw it would have been 22, exactly what they scored in quarters 1 and 3... and only 1 point less that Q2). Granted, some BOS points came of turnovers, ORL still needed to do a better job on DEFENSE. DH got ONE rebound in Q4. That has nothing to do with people not giving him touches.

Their defense during the big run wasn't that bad, Boston's offense just had some incredible plays (double screen into Pierce below the basket) and Ray's ridiculous 3 pointer. I do think you go with what works, and I just can't believe SVG's explanation for why he switched from a lineup that was getting to the rim (earn fouls for the end of the game) to shooting jumpers. Do you really trust Rafer Alston when he tells you he got fouled? Rafer Alston doesn't believe Rafer Alston when he says he got fouled.

And I love what Chuck said about that teardrop he made earlier in the game.
"The worst thing about that shot is that he actually made it."

Hollinger is right about Howard's offensive game, but you still need to get him touches so he can draw the defense. You hope he decides to pass out instead of taking a terrible shot (which may or may not happen), but you still need to give him the ball in the post to get yourself the 3s that the Magic love, and at the very least keep him near the rim so he can clean up when Lewis misses 3 3s in a row.
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unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
May 14 2009 02:00 GMT
#1515
dwight really needs to develop a bread and butter move...say maybe a jump hook. sure he's done it from time to time but he hasn't really shown any consistency. if he can't get a move like that into his arsenal then he'll just be some freak of an athlete with no moves
"Thanks for the kind words, but if SS is the most interesting book you've ever read, you must have just started reading a couple of weeks ago." - Mark Rippetoe
shmay
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States1091 Posts
May 14 2009 02:25 GMT
#1516
so, does denver have a chance against la?
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-14 03:01:35
May 14 2009 03:01 GMT
#1517
yes on talent, but i doubt they can win
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14904 Posts
May 14 2009 03:58 GMT
#1518
lol, 60% of espn.com readers blame the players on the floor more for dwight howard not getting touches than they blame van gundy
no_comprender
Profile Joined April 2009
Australia91 Posts
May 14 2009 05:09 GMT
#1519
i'll be putting money on nuggets vs lakers

i think a huge key to the series is whether jr smith can get his driving game going (carmelo too), if he does it'll open it up for the shooters, and they're gonna need to shoot reasonably well to beat the lakers. it'll fuck with the lakers heads, say bynum gets in foul toruble, and nene beats gasol up enough to take him out of the game, the nuggets should have no problems scoring at all. nene is way better than people think, especially against softies like pau. of course i don't know how the nuggets can defend the lakers either

REALLY looking forward to this one, there are so many variables and it should be high scoring. i have a feeling the nuggets can do it
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 14 2009 05:17 GMT
#1520
I have a feeling the Lakers are going to beat the Nuggets 4-1 or 4-0.
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