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On May 03 2009 12:26 sixghost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2009 12:19 SmoKing2012 wrote:On May 03 2009 12:16 Jibba wrote:On May 03 2009 12:14 SmoKing2012 wrote:On May 03 2009 12:11 Jibba wrote:On May 03 2009 12:05 SmoKing2012 wrote:On May 03 2009 12:03 Jibba wrote:On May 03 2009 11:59 SmoKing2012 wrote:On May 03 2009 11:58 Jibba wrote:On May 03 2009 11:56 SmoKing2012 wrote:
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he's a solid shooter no doubt but hes kinda streaky i woudla expected him to choke if he got more shots off Yeah, this makes zero sense. it makes sense because heinrich isn't the guy you want in when the game's on the line if its him or rose... altho it doesn't matter because they have both in but whatever. and rose is a much better facilitator We're talking about the last 5 minutes of the game, not the final possession (which would go to Gordon anyways). Rose can score, but when he goes iso he turns it over half the time. Heinrich can play the point without driving into dead end and makes smart passes, which would help Rose score more. kirk is so-so in iso, hes better coming off screens but thats not really your role as the PG Neither is, which is why watching Rose/Gordon do it is so infuriating. They needed someone to run the offense, not a scorer. i dunno i disagree, if your PG can play iso he's gonna pull another defender and create an open look for either the other guard or one of the forwards. Gordon is a good enough player to do whatever he wants on offense. Rose was hitting his jumpshots, they shoulda gone thru him more this game Gordon doing whatever he wants probably lost them the game tonight. ehh he coold off after the first quarter but I don't mind giving him the looks if i'm chicago because he's so damn good. chicago lost because they have NO CENTER in noah or miller and because rose pussed out as someone mentioned above. salmons didn't shoot for shit either and no one stepped up. at least heinrich and gordon put some effort in That's the typical non-chicago fan's view of Ben Gordon. When Ben Gordon is off he absolutely kills the Bulls. Whenever the ball goes thru his hands the offense just stops. Occasionally he'll go off for 1 game like he did in game 2, but he really kills the bulls in games like this where he shoots so poorly, and gets murdered on defense like always. Ben Gordon isn't so damn good.
you can point to alot of factors but I still think rose, noah, miller and salmons did not play like their season was on the line, especially noah and salmons. oh and where was tyrus thomas? just 4 points? Gordon's FG% was low but he got 15 free throws and knockd them all down, I don't think you can fault him more than the rest of the team
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
Gordon giveth, and Gordon taketh away.
There's a reason why he'll never ever be an all-star
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
On May 03 2009 12:34 SmoKing2012 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2009 12:26 sixghost wrote:On May 03 2009 12:19 SmoKing2012 wrote:On May 03 2009 12:16 Jibba wrote:On May 03 2009 12:14 SmoKing2012 wrote:On May 03 2009 12:11 Jibba wrote:On May 03 2009 12:05 SmoKing2012 wrote:On May 03 2009 12:03 Jibba wrote:On May 03 2009 11:59 SmoKing2012 wrote:On May 03 2009 11:58 Jibba wrote:
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Yeah, this makes zero sense. it makes sense because heinrich isn't the guy you want in when the game's on the line if its him or rose... altho it doesn't matter because they have both in but whatever. and rose is a much better facilitator We're talking about the last 5 minutes of the game, not the final possession (which would go to Gordon anyways). Rose can score, but when he goes iso he turns it over half the time. Heinrich can play the point without driving into dead end and makes smart passes, which would help Rose score more. kirk is so-so in iso, hes better coming off screens but thats not really your role as the PG Neither is, which is why watching Rose/Gordon do it is so infuriating. They needed someone to run the offense, not a scorer. i dunno i disagree, if your PG can play iso he's gonna pull another defender and create an open look for either the other guard or one of the forwards. Gordon is a good enough player to do whatever he wants on offense. Rose was hitting his jumpshots, they shoulda gone thru him more this game Gordon doing whatever he wants probably lost them the game tonight. ehh he coold off after the first quarter but I don't mind giving him the looks if i'm chicago because he's so damn good. chicago lost because they have NO CENTER in noah or miller and because rose pussed out as someone mentioned above. salmons didn't shoot for shit either and no one stepped up. at least heinrich and gordon put some effort in That's the typical non-chicago fan's view of Ben Gordon. When Ben Gordon is off he absolutely kills the Bulls. Whenever the ball goes thru his hands the offense just stops. Occasionally he'll go off for 1 game like he did in game 2, but he really kills the bulls in games like this where he shoots so poorly, and gets murdered on defense like always. Ben Gordon isn't so damn good. you can point to alot of factors but I still think rose, noah, miller and salmons did not play like their season was on the line, especially noah and salmons. oh and where was tyrus thomas? just 4 points? Gordon's FG% was low but he got 15 free throws and knockd them all down, I don't think you can fault him more than the rest of the team
I suspect you're only looking at the box score.
Noah had a great game, he was involved in every possession, especially on defense.
Salmons missed a lot of time with 3 fouls in the first half. He wasn't great, but he was no worse than Ben Gordon in the final quarter.
Ty Thomas was on the bench most of the time.
A lot of Gordon's bad shots were 1-on-1 jumpers from 20 feet away from the hoop after dribbling for 5 seconds by himself. No good for anybody
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
The real reason Chicago lost is because Big Baby and Eddie House finally had a good game together off the bench.
For some reason Chicago kept switching smaller gaurds on Big Baby after pick and rolls...uh-uh.
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On May 03 2009 12:40 HonestTea wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2009 12:34 SmoKing2012 wrote:On May 03 2009 12:26 sixghost wrote:On May 03 2009 12:19 SmoKing2012 wrote:On May 03 2009 12:16 Jibba wrote:On May 03 2009 12:14 SmoKing2012 wrote:On May 03 2009 12:11 Jibba wrote:On May 03 2009 12:05 SmoKing2012 wrote:On May 03 2009 12:03 Jibba wrote:On May 03 2009 11:59 SmoKing2012 wrote:
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it makes sense because heinrich isn't the guy you want in when the game's on the line if its him or rose... altho it doesn't matter because they have both in but whatever.
and rose is a much better facilitator
We're talking about the last 5 minutes of the game, not the final possession (which would go to Gordon anyways). Rose can score, but when he goes iso he turns it over half the time. Heinrich can play the point without driving into dead end and makes smart passes, which would help Rose score more. kirk is so-so in iso, hes better coming off screens but thats not really your role as the PG Neither is, which is why watching Rose/Gordon do it is so infuriating. They needed someone to run the offense, not a scorer. i dunno i disagree, if your PG can play iso he's gonna pull another defender and create an open look for either the other guard or one of the forwards. Gordon is a good enough player to do whatever he wants on offense. Rose was hitting his jumpshots, they shoulda gone thru him more this game Gordon doing whatever he wants probably lost them the game tonight. ehh he coold off after the first quarter but I don't mind giving him the looks if i'm chicago because he's so damn good. chicago lost because they have NO CENTER in noah or miller and because rose pussed out as someone mentioned above. salmons didn't shoot for shit either and no one stepped up. at least heinrich and gordon put some effort in That's the typical non-chicago fan's view of Ben Gordon. When Ben Gordon is off he absolutely kills the Bulls. Whenever the ball goes thru his hands the offense just stops. Occasionally he'll go off for 1 game like he did in game 2, but he really kills the bulls in games like this where he shoots so poorly, and gets murdered on defense like always. Ben Gordon isn't so damn good. you can point to alot of factors but I still think rose, noah, miller and salmons did not play like their season was on the line, especially noah and salmons. oh and where was tyrus thomas? just 4 points? Gordon's FG% was low but he got 15 free throws and knockd them all down, I don't think you can fault him more than the rest of the team I suspect you're only looking at the box score. Noah had a great game, he was involved in every possession, especially on defense. Salmons missed a lot of time with 3 fouls in the first half. He wasn't great, but he was no worse than Ben Gordon in the final quarter. Ty Thomas was on the bench most of the time. A lot of Gordon's bad shots were 1-on-1 jumpers from 20 feet away from the hoop after dribbling for 5 seconds by himself. No good for anybody
I only checked the box score to find out how may points Thomas had because he was so insignificant this game. Noah didn't have a great game, he got some boards but he's slow on transition as always and he fould out earlier than I would've expected. Salmons missed some open looks that could've been huge to the bulls. gordon and heinrich were the only ones getting shots off, no one else could even get open asid from salmons who was just missing. you can blame the celts defense if u want but they're obviously not as sharp without KG
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On May 03 2009 12:42 HonestTea wrote:
The real reason Chicago lost is because Big Baby and Eddie House finally had a good game together off the bench.
For some reason Chicago kept switching smaller gaurds on Big Baby after pick and rolls...uh-uh.
Davis started but I completely agree on Eddie. Everyone in Boston knows he can hit like that when he's open, it as just a matter of getting him open. Davis had a typical game, altho he's usually alittle better on the 15 foot wide open jumpers
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Sanya12364 Posts
Damn, what will probably be the most exciting series of the 2009 playoffs is now over.
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On May 03 2009 12:51 TanGeng wrote:
Damn, what will probably be the most exciting series of the 2009 playoffs is now over.
Lakers/Cavs baby
I got cavs in 7
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United States22883 Posts
On May 03 2009 12:40 HonestTea wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2009 12:34 SmoKing2012 wrote:On May 03 2009 12:26 sixghost wrote:On May 03 2009 12:19 SmoKing2012 wrote:On May 03 2009 12:16 Jibba wrote:On May 03 2009 12:14 SmoKing2012 wrote:On May 03 2009 12:11 Jibba wrote:On May 03 2009 12:05 SmoKing2012 wrote:On May 03 2009 12:03 Jibba wrote:On May 03 2009 11:59 SmoKing2012 wrote:
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it makes sense because heinrich isn't the guy you want in when the game's on the line if its him or rose... altho it doesn't matter because they have both in but whatever.
and rose is a much better facilitator
We're talking about the last 5 minutes of the game, not the final possession (which would go to Gordon anyways). Rose can score, but when he goes iso he turns it over half the time. Heinrich can play the point without driving into dead end and makes smart passes, which would help Rose score more. kirk is so-so in iso, hes better coming off screens but thats not really your role as the PG Neither is, which is why watching Rose/Gordon do it is so infuriating. They needed someone to run the offense, not a scorer. i dunno i disagree, if your PG can play iso he's gonna pull another defender and create an open look for either the other guard or one of the forwards. Gordon is a good enough player to do whatever he wants on offense. Rose was hitting his jumpshots, they shoulda gone thru him more this game Gordon doing whatever he wants probably lost them the game tonight. ehh he coold off after the first quarter but I don't mind giving him the looks if i'm chicago because he's so damn good. chicago lost because they have NO CENTER in noah or miller and because rose pussed out as someone mentioned above. salmons didn't shoot for shit either and no one stepped up. at least heinrich and gordon put some effort in That's the typical non-chicago fan's view of Ben Gordon. When Ben Gordon is off he absolutely kills the Bulls. Whenever the ball goes thru his hands the offense just stops. Occasionally he'll go off for 1 game like he did in game 2, but he really kills the bulls in games like this where he shoots so poorly, and gets murdered on defense like always. Ben Gordon isn't so damn good. you can point to alot of factors but I still think rose, noah, miller and salmons did not play like their season was on the line, especially noah and salmons. oh and where was tyrus thomas? just 4 points? Gordon's FG% was low but he got 15 free throws and knockd them all down, I don't think you can fault him more than the rest of the team I suspect you're only looking at the box score. Noah had a great game, he was involved in every possession, especially on defense. Salmons missed a lot of time with 3 fouls in the first half. He wasn't great, but he was no worse than Ben Gordon in the final quarter. Ty Thomas was on the bench most of the time. A lot of Gordon's bad shots were 1-on-1 jumpers from 20 feet away from the hoop after dribbling for 5 seconds by himself. No good for anybody When Salmons was in there, he actually did a great job on Pierce. I was really impressed with his defense.
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On May 03 2009 12:34 SmoKing2012 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2009 12:26 sixghost wrote:On May 03 2009 12:19 SmoKing2012 wrote:On May 03 2009 12:16 Jibba wrote:On May 03 2009 12:14 SmoKing2012 wrote:On May 03 2009 12:11 Jibba wrote:On May 03 2009 12:05 SmoKing2012 wrote:On May 03 2009 12:03 Jibba wrote:On May 03 2009 11:59 SmoKing2012 wrote:On May 03 2009 11:58 Jibba wrote:
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Yeah, this makes zero sense. it makes sense because heinrich isn't the guy you want in when the game's on the line if its him or rose... altho it doesn't matter because they have both in but whatever. and rose is a much better facilitator We're talking about the last 5 minutes of the game, not the final possession (which would go to Gordon anyways). Rose can score, but when he goes iso he turns it over half the time. Heinrich can play the point without driving into dead end and makes smart passes, which would help Rose score more. kirk is so-so in iso, hes better coming off screens but thats not really your role as the PG Neither is, which is why watching Rose/Gordon do it is so infuriating. They needed someone to run the offense, not a scorer. i dunno i disagree, if your PG can play iso he's gonna pull another defender and create an open look for either the other guard or one of the forwards. Gordon is a good enough player to do whatever he wants on offense. Rose was hitting his jumpshots, they shoulda gone thru him more this game Gordon doing whatever he wants probably lost them the game tonight. ehh he coold off after the first quarter but I don't mind giving him the looks if i'm chicago because he's so damn good. chicago lost because they have NO CENTER in noah or miller and because rose pussed out as someone mentioned above. salmons didn't shoot for shit either and no one stepped up. at least heinrich and gordon put some effort in That's the typical non-chicago fan's view of Ben Gordon. When Ben Gordon is off he absolutely kills the Bulls. Whenever the ball goes thru his hands the offense just stops. Occasionally he'll go off for 1 game like he did in game 2, but he really kills the bulls in games like this where he shoots so poorly, and gets murdered on defense like always. Ben Gordon isn't so damn good. you can point to alot of factors but I still think rose, noah, miller and salmons did not play like their season was on the line, especially noah and salmons. oh and where was tyrus thomas? just 4 points? Gordon's FG% was low but he got 15 free throws and knockd them all down, I don't think you can fault him more than the rest of the team
This is the real Bulls. Gordon doesn't always score 20+, Miller doesn't shoot +50% from 3, Noah doesn't go for a double double every game, Salmons has some really off nights, and Tyrus Thomas is just really bad.
They're the Suns from a few years ago with nowhere near the same offensive talent. It's not just a coincidence that Vinny came from Phoenix to Chicago to coach. Just look at some of the leads that the Bulls gave up this series. Games 5 and 6 they were up either 10 or 11 in both games with about 6 minutes left in the game, and they blew the leads in less than 3 minutes each game. They can't play defense, and when the scoring starts to dry up, they get run out of the gym.
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Rondo should've been there sitting next to Garnett on the bench anyway. If I would be Boston fan or even Boston player I would be ashamed to even call it a win. You just put the 'X' into the box in game 7, nothing more. Boston will get smashed next round or if they get some help again by the God Stern himself they might even get to the finals where they would get smashed by Cleveland anyways. .
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On May 03 2009 12:37 HonestTea wrote:
Gordon giveth, and Gordon taketh away.
There's a reason why he'll never ever be an all-star
LOL
Yeah Gordon's quick three was really stupid. He was hitting really early, like the first quarter which scared the crap out of me and probably other Boston fans. Derrick Rose also had it going but they both cooled off considerably 
And Boston vs Orlando should be interesting; Orlando lost Courtney Lee and Jameer Nelson, both great three point shooters. However, Reddick can get pretty Reddickulous, especially after their final game against the 76er's. Boston lost their bigger guys, Powe and KG and I'm not sure how well Perkins will handle Superman in the post, both offensive and defensive. Basically, Powe and Davis (although the latter isn't even that big) need to stay out of foul trouble, every foul worries me.
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Kendrick's a big guy, in theory he should won't get pushed around by Howard. I doubt he'll score much and his boards go down.
On the other side, if Pierce and Rondo kept getting stuffed by Tyrus Thomas, Howard's going to channel his inner Wilt and say "there will be no more layups".
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United States4471 Posts
A few thoughts:
1. Rose needs to develop that "killer instinct" that people talk about all the time. He plays his best when he's aggressive on offense, and his worst when he's hesitant and trying to do too much. He should take a look at how Tony Parker plays and aim for that.
2. Gordon's contributions to a team are "fool's gold". He's like the selfish version of Kobe, but nowhere near the skill level. I worried for Chicago everytime Gordon made a shot because he takes every made shot as a reason to chuck up the next one without conscience. Classic case of a player thinking he's an Allstar, when he's a sixth man at best. He was useful for making miracle shots in this series, but if the Bulls want to be a legitimate contender, they need to get rid of him or at least get him to understand his limitations and not let him destroy their offense. He's the poster child for the argument going on now about the myth of the "hot hand", where they show statistics that high volume shooters, like Gordon, actually shoot worse after a made shot rather than better, because they take worse shots on the presumption that they're "hot".
3. Noah is a great glue guy, a la Varejao, but with a higher ceiling I think. If he could learn to keep himself under control and use his head more often, he could be, as Barkely called him, a poor man's Rodman.
4. Now, the only player I like on the Celtics is Ray Allen. I used to think Rondo was cool, but this series showed that he's just a punk. That whole team is filled with obnoxious, arrogant punks. Actually, I think Powe is alright too, but him and Allen aren't enough to make up for Rondo, House, Pierce, KG, etc. Celtics fans make it even harder to like the team.
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You hear that Ace?
Cyric's calling you out personally.
oh shi-
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i actually thought rondo was coo, hell i even checked his blog out a few times. but when shit gets messy, true colors inevitably show up. i'm still hoping he's not really how he was against chicago
ever since the keltics won the championship i've always felt like their attitude and demeanor changed. i remember a player saying after losing to the celts during the reg season (i think it was prince? can't remember though) how much trash talking the celts do. after i heard that it changed everything for me as a keltics fan. i know trash talking is normal but when a player complains, you know it's something else.
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
As a long time Pistons fan I wholly appreciate the emergence of Dark Rondo. His attitude reminds me of a certain PG from the 80s-90s...
That moment when Rose blocked Rondo has set up 10 years of future PG rivalry.
Chris Paul, Deron Deron, Rondo, Rose, Westbrook... with Brandon Jennings and Ricky Rubio on the way. The future of the 1 is solid.
(I tried to include Stuckey in the above list... but my conscious wouldn't allow me. Sad)
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United States4471 Posts
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pretty good read. it sure shed some light on what type of player rondo was before the big 3 came along. without a doubt, he'll be playing long after the big 3 leave the nba and when that day comes he won't have to keep his ego in check anymore.
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Rose is always so awkward in front of the camera.
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