Beta Proleague Maps!

On March 17 2009 21:18 Rhaegar99 wrote:
Do anyone notice the single mineral patch next to each temples on Battle Royal. If that's the case then zergs may be better off on this map. It'll make games on at map even better too!

On March 17 2009 21:40 thedeadhaji wrote:
*ejaculates*

On March 17 2009 21:56 p4NDemik wrote:
Battle Royal is too concepty for PL in my opinion

On March 17 2009 19:34 GTR wrote:

중원 (Joongwon) / Central Plains
This map looks like its mad unbalanced, atleast just from first glance so who knows. It looks like in TvZ a zerg can go to 3 gas hive super easily immediately after lair tech units come out without over extending. I can see 3 hatch lurker builds with mad fast evolution chambers coming out for extremely fast late game play. As for TvP, this looks way too easy for terran. Nice ridges in the middle prevent flanking while you have a super easy 3 bases and roll out. Also -- are those islands without anti-lift?? nice~

황혼의그림자 (Hwanghonuigrumja) / Shades of Twilight
The map looks pretty similar to reverse return of the king. I think we're going to see byzantium-like play with pretty balanced late game and the occasional early aggression.

신의정원 (Shin Uijangwon) / God's Garden
Im fucking sick of these maps with 100% unbuildable middle. This is going to be mad nice for 3 base pushes again though-- I cant see this map winnable for Z vs P though. From the looks of it you can make a sim city that protects 3 gas bases from the very start. I think we should see a toss try forge cannon cannon nexus nexus ^^

단장의능선 (Danjanguineungsun) / The English name is Battle of Heartbreak Ridge, so let's just call it Heartbreak Ridge
I'm not sure how much the ridges are going to play into the game. As a terran player I can see P/Z army just running around circles and because of the map architecture never being able to stop counters and perfect surrounds. Also drop play and stupid ling backstabs seem way too powerful with that second entrance.

배틀로얄 / Battle Royal
I can't wait to play on this map. I think its gonna show some crazy awesome games even if it isnt balanced

아웃사이더 / Outsider
750 Minerals is a lot -- I can't see these really ever being used besides cheese -- which I'm expecting a lot of. Could turn out to be an interesting map though

On March 17 2009 23:04 lordmordor wrote:
im definitely likeing a lot of these, should make for some interesting games. Im really glad to see outsider though. I don't remember the last time i saw a pro game on Ash-world tileset.

any reason its not used as much as Twilight or Jungle?

On March 17 2009 23:16 thunk wrote:
And they should just rename Central Plains Flashland.

On March 17 2009 23:11 Chill wrote:
OK cool let's try if BGH is balanced again (hint: it's not).

On March 17 2009 23:57 p4NDemik wrote:

Starleagues can get away with more concepty (and oftentimes imbalanced) maps because the players have almost no control over who they play in the next round after the group selection shows and once the league is in progress. Maps like Plasma succeed in stimulating interesting play in Starleagues because Zergs, Terrans, and Protosses all have to play on them.

Stick these same concept maps in PL and they fail hard. Why? Because the coaches have total control over who plays on them. And because these maps have balance issues almost 100% of the time, you'll see coaches send out one race on a concept map, and then everyone begins to dread every game that is played on that map. Seriously the novelty wears off fast when all you see is TvT's or ZvZ's on a map.

So I welcome concept maps like Battle Royal in Starleagues, but for God's sake keep it out of PL.

On March 18 2009 00:26 Too_MuchZerg wrote:


Thats why PL (kespa) should make new system how players selected to those maps. For example, teams choose 4 players (ace match stays coaches choosing) and then kespa randomly puts players both sides to different maps. Yes there might still be mirrors and/or unlucky matchups but this method still gives time to player to practice specific map.

On March 18 2009 00:35 p4NDemik wrote:

That's a cute idea in theory but it would never work if you tried to implement it. Once you take such an important aspect as setting lineups and take that element out of the team's control it opens up tons of avenues for people just bitch and moan and say that the better team lost because they got bad draws and their best players had to play on maps that were imbalanced in the matchup that they had to play.

Doing what you're talking about doing would be like saying: "Instead of having each baseball player have a set position, we're going to make each manager submit their 9-man lineup and then we'll randomly decide who pitches, who catches, who plays first, etc." People will not go for it. On top of that, it would mean we would see lower quality games because players are not playing their best games due to the added practice difficulties that come along with this "random" lineup system.

On March 18 2009 00:52 Too_MuchZerg wrote:


Okay perhaps there could be more adjustment like this.

Set 1 and 2 are random sets where team submits 2 players and they are drawn randomly. Set 3 and 4 (5 too) remains as current system.

Now this permits teams to choose their best players for set 3 and 4 if they want. Lineups would be published 2-3 days earlier (normal PL timing) with set 1 and 2 remaining open (but still showing both team players).


Other system would be implement so called "Sniper card" for teams to use. You could use this once or twice per round (or season if shorter than current PL system). This could mess up little bit practice of certain players as, for example, yarnc vs fantasy could be yarnc vs bisu if SKT1 would choose use the card. But because teams could only use it once it remains surprise factor.

On March 18 2009 00:52 Too_MuchZerg wrote:


Okay perhaps there could be more adjustment like this.

Set 1 and 2 are random sets where team submits 2 players and they are drawn randomly. Set 3 and 4 (5 too) remains as current system.

Now this permits teams to choose their best players for set 3 and 4 if they want. Lineups would be published 2-3 days earlier (normal PL timing) with set 1 and 2 remaining open (but still showing both team players).


Other system would be implement so called "Sniper card" for teams to use. You could use this once or twice per round (or season if shorter than current PL system). This could mess up little bit practice of certain players as, for example, yarnc vs fantasy could be yarnc vs bisu if SKT1 would choose use the card. But because teams could only use it once it remains surprise factor.

On March 17 2009 23:57 p4NDemik wrote:

Starleagues can get away with more concepty (and oftentimes imbalanced) maps because the players have almost no control over who they play in the next round after the group selection shows and once the league is in progress. Maps like Plasma succeed in stimulating interesting play in Starleagues because Zergs, Terrans, and Protosses all have to play on them.

Stick these same concept maps in PL and they fail hard. Why? Because the coaches have total control over who plays on them. And because these maps have balance issues almost 100% of the time, you'll see coaches send out one race on a concept map, and then everyone begins to dread every game that is played on that map. Seriously the novelty wears off fast when all you see is TvT's or ZvZ's on a map.

So I welcome concept maps like Battle Royal in Starleagues, but for God's sake keep it out of PL.

On March 18 2009 07:18 gk_ender wrote:


yeah but look at raid assault and neo harmony, they started out that way sure, but as players started playing more on them we started to see them open up a lot more.

On March 18 2009 09:44 StRyKeR wrote:
outsider looks like a zerg graveyard

On March 18 2009 18:39 PH wrote:
I just noticed...heartbreak ridge's 3 position's gas can be tanked from the ridge connected to the main's left edge, while the 9's cant...

On March 18 2009 17:49 nataziel wrote:
Holy shit these maps are sick. Battle Royal looks....orgasmic. All it needs are 0 min patches on the island expos because otherwise it's way too terran imba, and it should be good to go.

On March 19 2009 07:20 checo wrote:
XD is gonna be nice to see 2 of this going into Proleague

On March 19 2009 12:36 never_Nal wrote:
Battle Royal Drop PLay FTW, Central Plains is a really bad design. Red is ggd from beginning

On March 19 2009 12:50 Sadist wrote:
id think twice before speculating on balance.
Remember the jackasses who said T>>>>>>>>>P on medusa because of "cliffs"

On March 19 2009 12:50 Sadist wrote:
id think twice before speculating on balance.
Remember the jackasses who said T>>>>>>>>>P on medusa because of "cliffs"

- Unique base architecture, macro play will appear to be the standard on this map

On March 17 2009 21:40 thedeadhaji wrote:
*ejaculates*

On March 19 2009 09:38 MuR)Ernu wrote:

are you sure its only gonna be 2?
Because "a couple" sounds like " a few" to me

On March 29 2009 07:59 MamiyaOtaru wrote:
These all look gimmicky. Not a bad thing in itself though.

Central Plains looks interesting. But not very balanced. The distances from the bridge/opening of the three mains to the next expansions after the naturals looks very uneven. as in:



"A couple" means "two". "A couple" does not mean "a few".

You see that couple out on a date? Are there three of them sharing an ice cream sundae? If there are, it isn't a couple.

On March 30 2009 22:25 RaptuhJeezus wrote:
중원 (Joongwon) / Central Plains

I hope some of these replace python. Python is vanilla.

Teamliquid, why arent you stealing these? We want them NOW.

On April 04 2009 06:28 3 Lions wrote:

but can't they just tab-shift and change the colors?
but yeah all snow would be pretty hard on your eyes imo

On April 04 2009 17:25 blabber wrote:

Well it's actually not possible to be white color on ice (that's why there's green), just as you can't be brown on desert. I don't think it's that big of a problem, you just have to use dirt for most of the map, rather than snow

On March 29 2009 07:59 MamiyaOtaru wrote:
These all look gimmicky. Not a bad thing in itself though.

Central Plains looks interesting. But not very balanced. The distances from the bridge/opening of the three mains to the next expansions after the naturals looks very uneven. as in:



"A couple" means "two". "A couple" does not mean "a few".

You see that couple out on a date? Are there three of them sharing an ice cream sundae? If there are, it isn't a couple.

On April 06 2009 10:57 p4NDemik wrote:

Which ever ones make it will likely be confirmed in the next few days, Thursday at the very latest.

On April 06 2009 15:31 Chobi wrote:
I saw this on Fomos. Are these going to be the new Proleague maps?

On April 06 2009 15:33 konadora wrote:

YES.

BRB TRANSLATING

On April 06 2009 15:33 konadora wrote:

YES.

BRB TRANSLATING