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MorningMusume11
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3490 Posts
February 23 2009 09:33 GMT
#341
This is almost at the level of how harsh Korean netizens can be but... nah. Greg if you don't brush any of these comments off your shoulders then use this as more motivation to get better. I mean the fact that you're still with CJ Entus should be enough for you to keep moving forward with this.
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
February 23 2009 09:34 GMT
#342
I just watched the games now, and I fully agree with everything Rekrul said. Idra needs to pack up and go home. He obviously hasn't gotten any better since moving to Korea.
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
February 23 2009 09:40 GMT
#343
Good thing, trashtalking someone's skill who pretty much raped the living crap out of you IdrA! F91 is way ahead skill wise and he did not do an all-in build in any of the games.

If he lacks both mechanics and cheese "skill" how the hell did the "progamer" lose to him then?
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8090 Posts
February 23 2009 09:43 GMT
#344
Lol rek gj!
People who are hating with something that is right should go and 1. look at the games then 2. read what idra said about the games
he basicly said 'i lost because he didnt do what every korean b-teamer would do', as chill said 'robodra'
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
February 23 2009 09:44 GMT
#345
what a bad title for a post about a guy who doesn't represent at all foreign players. anyway rekrul insane ego makes everything so much fun...
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/hunter692007/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11143 Posts
February 23 2009 09:47 GMT
#346
On February 23 2009 17:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2009 17:49 Crunchums wrote:
On February 23 2009 17:34 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
My dream is to have one of these be about me Maybe just a little >_<

Oh my god iNcontroL is such a BM noob for that stupid thing he said that one time. Seriously he needs to learn from his mistakes, he'll never succeed in life if he doesn't. He should listen to me for life advice, after all I know everything and maybe someday I'll finally break out and make D on ICCUP.
*repeat post 10 times*

Does that do it for you?


if you don't know who rekrul is you shouldn't post in this thread dude

Man, I am clearly making fun of people who are not rekrul in that post : /
brood war for life, brood war forever
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
February 23 2009 09:48 GMT
#347
Geez, from where are these quotes?
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
ErOs_LeO
Profile Joined August 2005
Australia270 Posts
February 23 2009 09:55 GMT
#348
Good read although i dont agree with you calling F91 "some random chinese Z", F91 is a beast and prolly #1 China atm..
But yea the least IdrA could have done is say gg and show some respect..
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
February 23 2009 10:04 GMT
#349
On February 23 2009 18:47 Crunchums wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2009 17:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On February 23 2009 17:49 Crunchums wrote:
On February 23 2009 17:34 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
My dream is to have one of these be about me Maybe just a little >_<

Oh my god iNcontroL is such a BM noob for that stupid thing he said that one time. Seriously he needs to learn from his mistakes, he'll never succeed in life if he doesn't. He should listen to me for life advice, after all I know everything and maybe someday I'll finally break out and make D on ICCUP.
*repeat post 10 times*

Does that do it for you?


if you don't know who rekrul is you shouldn't post in this thread dude

Man, I am clearly making fun of people who are not rekrul in that post : /


with the frequency of posts in that nature by people who don't know rekrul, in these kinda threads, it's an easy mistake to make
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-23 10:11:18
February 23 2009 10:09 GMT
#350
On February 23 2009 14:49 IdrA wrote:
if you're gonna publicize something from a private forum you could at least do all of it
Show nested quote +

On February 22 2009 20:56 IdrA wrote:
please quote where i blamed lag? i did not mention it until you did, and i only said that it was the reason i kicked you. i did not lose because of lag, i never said i did.

hell i didnt even blame my opponent. i said he played risky builds that paid off because i didnt scout them or guess what he was doing. it is scapegoating to an extent, but the blame there rests on myself.

what have i said that wasnt true? and i did not flame him before the match, i did not shittalk. i was asked for a prediction and i gave one. i was wrong, that doesnt mean it was shittalking. i said he wasnt as good as korean zergs. hes not.


How does this first part that IdrA provides...


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why are you pretending you know anything about starcraft? raid assault is covered in narrow passages and high grounds and has a very short rush distance through the center, as well as high ground immediately outside the natural. it also has a total of 2 gas expos outside the mains and naturals, both of which are near impossible to defend vs drops. as such if zerg lets terran get into the mid/long game in good shape, they are going to lose. with 3 hatch the only real option is a 3 hat lurk ling allin to try to abuse the back way, thats quite risky in itself but he wasnt even going 3 hat lair. however, the natural and main are very far apart, there is a cliff over the natural, and the main's min line is backed up against water. this makes 2 hat muta exceptionally good. this means that an intelligent zerg will go 2 hatch, my build was designed to take advantage of that and so lost because he went 3 hatch. going 3 hatch is utterly retarded for the reasons i just explained so yes i did lose because he did something dumb.

Show nested quote +
kinda already talked about this too. i scanned the lurker opening on andro and as he is an allin player and he did a lurker allin the game before i assumed he would do it again and built bunkers and a quick dropship. delayed my barracks and my vessel. instead of allining he powered, added more hatches, and went hive (and delayed his lurkers doing so). no amount of micro or game sense or scanning or whatever bullshit you're babbling about can save any terran from that point.

Show nested quote +
i said before i lost on chupung because it didnt look like an allin, he waited longer than usual for some reason and so my tanks were out of place. also i made 2 bunkers. 3 is the failsafe vs an allin. doesnt change the fact that it was an allin, just like taking a fast 3rd on tau was risky. my point is he won because he took risks and they paid off. congrats to him, but people trying to use the games to comment on skill are clueless.

Show nested quote +
congrats to him, but people trying to use the games to comment on skill are clueless.

Show nested quote +

boxer was a cheesy player with no mechanics.... in 2002... when no one had mechanics. before he went to the army his macro, though not the best in korea, was more than adequate and his micro was still among the best, on top of his creativity. and he was creative. sure he did run of the mill cheeses, but he also came up with shit no one else would do.

f91 fails on both those counts. he is not mechanically clean, at all. hell the andro game he banked like 3k/3k off of 3 gas. maybe he was saving for ultras, but i think he put up his ultra den after his money started climbing out of control (kinda has to have actually, you dont hit 3k/3k in the build time of an ultra den). and he is not clever. he simply hopes you dont guess or read which way hes gonna go. opening lurker and hoping your opponent doesnt guess properly if you're gonna attack or not is not a 'crazy rush' or a brilliant strategy. it is a coinflip.


match up with all of this?

The first part is like 'Yeah I played poorly', yet the rekrul quotes blame F91 instead of yourself.

Look IdrA, I won't lie. I don't like you - from what I've seen here and other accounts of your personality. I'm not going to pretend for one stitch of time that I do like you. However, distaste aside, Rek's got a lot of points here. Fucking respect the guy, whether he's some D- abuser or fucking BoxeR himself. You lost. Not just 3-4, but 2-5 in a series that you even claimed you would win 5-2. Not only that, but some of those games were downright awful. And some of your remarks (which you have proven the veracity of with your "quote the whole thing" statement) are plain asinine.

You say first
this means that an intelligent zerg will go 2 hatch, my build was designed to take advantage of that and so lost because he went 3 hatch. going 3 hatch is utterly retarded for the reasons i just explained so yes i did lose because he did something dumb.


He went for the "dumb" build, and you looked utterly foolish against it. Seriously dude, he embarrassed you with that build. If it was so bad that it could be classified as "retarded", why would anyone, and I mean ANYONE, use it, especially against someone of your caliber, getting your training? Think about it. Just because it isn't the norm, doesn't make it retarded. It worked, for Christ's sake. You say it isn't brilliant, and it wasn't, but it wasn't "dumb" or "retarded" by any means. He exploited your mindset.

kinda already talked about this too. i scanned the lurker opening on andro and as he is an allin player and he did a lurker allin the game before i assumed he would do it again and built bunkers and a quick dropship. delayed my barracks and my vessel. instead of allining he powered, added more hatches, and went hive (and delayed his lurkers doing so). no amount of micro or game sense or scanning or whatever bullshit you're babbling about can save any terran from that point.


I'm sure enough digging through replays can disprove your statement that he is an "all-in" player. Again, here he exploited your mindset here. He isn't "stupid" and he again was able to predict you. Granted, none of those things could've saved you, but I'm sure you know the saying about assuming.

i said before i lost on chupung because it didnt look like an allin, he waited longer than usual for some reason and so my tanks were out of place. also i made 2 bunkers. 3 is the failsafe vs an allin. doesnt change the fact that it was an allin, just like taking a fast 3rd on tau was risky. my point is he won because he took risks and they paid off. congrats to him, but people trying to use the games to comment on skill are clueless.


He took risks. You really didn't. The real issue here is the whole "people trying to use the games on skill are clueless" line. What the fuck are we supposed to use then, guesses? Yes, you are on CJ Entus, in Korea. Yes, he is in China, not on a pro-team. But he just beat the living daylights out of you in a best of 7 series five games to two. And you want to tell us he's not the better player, because he used "dumb" builds? Alright, then, Bisu is 2-4 vs. Jaedong, but you know what? I think Bisu is better than Jaedong, because I don't think Jaedong used good builds those games. Bisu wasn't prepared. I don't actually know the premise of those games (I took two random gamers on my mind and TLPDed it), but that's basically what you're asking us to do.


boxer was a cheesy player with no mechanics.... in 2002... when no one had mechanics. before he went to the army his macro, though not the best in korea, was more than adequate and his micro was still among the best, on top of his creativity. and he was creative. sure he did run of the mill cheeses, but he also came up with shit no one else would do.

f91 fails on both those counts. he is not mechanically clean, at all. hell the andro game he banked like 3k/3k off of 3 gas. maybe he was saving for ultras, but i think he put up his ultra den after his money started climbing out of control (kinda has to have actually, you dont hit 3k/3k in the build time of an ultra den). and he is not clever. he simply hopes you dont guess or read which way hes gonna go. opening lurker and hoping your opponent doesnt guess properly if you're gonna attack or not is not a 'crazy rush' or a brilliant strategy. it is a coinflip.


First of all, I don't see where BoxeR comes in, but maybe some of the context of this quote is missing. I'll just say that yes, Boxer didn't have the mechanics, but he was creative. However, creativity is somewhat relative.

So what if F91 banked 3K/3K? This game is not all mechanics, sorry to break it to you. However, disputing his cleverness is a wrong road to go down. Like I said, creativity is relative to the situation. You expected standard builds it appears. He did something different - he [b]created something to play with your head. And you know what, he outwitted, outplayed and outlasted you in every sense of the 3 words.


Basically, if a life lesson comes from this thread, it's show some god damn modesty. Admit that you lost, admit he played better than you, and move on with life, refocus.

If a StarCraft lesson comes of it, take this quote with you.

Expect the unexpected




To the thread itself:

First of all, quit the flaming, it really accomplishes nothing.
Second, for everyone saying that what F91 did was NOT a good build, please give me some concrete evidence. My evidence? He just won a Best of 7 series verses a young man who is living, training and rostered with a pro-gaming team using said builds.

Third:
[B]On February 23 2009 18:34 Mastermind wrote:
I just watched the games now, and I fully agree with everything Rekrul said. Idra needs to pack up and go home. He obviously hasn't gotten any better since moving to Korea.


Pretty sure Rek never actually said "Get out of Korea". He entertained the notion once or twice, but the main goal of the O.P. was not "IdrA, leave Korea now."

Finally, Rek, you are the man.


Edited for that quote of 'Mastermind'
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
V6
Profile Joined February 2008
147 Posts
February 23 2009 10:09 GMT
#351
so im just wondering. whats up with the flaming of Artosis rekrul? he seems like such a good sport ^^
what did he do
maybe im just missunderstanding things.
MorningMusume11
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3490 Posts
February 23 2009 10:16 GMT
#352
I can't resist... lol

FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
February 23 2009 10:17 GMT
#353
Artosis is the champ, Rekrul knows it
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
BBS
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany204 Posts
February 23 2009 10:20 GMT
#354
i love your use of SPERM *CAPS!* :D
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7882 Posts
February 23 2009 10:23 GMT
#355
My god I've been laughing so hard reading the whole thing.

Rekrul, do you wanna marry me?
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
araav
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Armenia1590 Posts
February 23 2009 10:24 GMT
#356
wow, this was a fun read.
hope idra will learn some lessons from this after he calms down

The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all.
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
February 23 2009 10:24 GMT
#357
lool starcraft is a cruel world.

I can't believe people still don't realise this. F91 is not an "ALL in" player, he is a risk player. His style is put choice in your mind and make you make all the hard decisions.

By trying to classify him as one type of player, you have already lost the battle.
Rillanon.au
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
February 23 2009 10:24 GMT
#358
vx70GTOJudgexv,

The part idra came an posted here was a closing statement to every previous statement.

The lag issue was him actually kicking the tournament host (mani) from the games and in rage saying "f91's all-ins don't work as well with you gone" ... which he apoligized for.

Nobody but idra complained about lag of course.
mIsUZu
Profile Joined August 2008
New Zealand528 Posts
February 23 2009 10:31 GMT
#359
On February 23 2009 18:14 Rekrul wrote:
...


Again, agree with what you say. Idra isn't some random TLer but a legitimate Korean progamer, (though he has yet to proove this with his games..) and thus being discussed positively/negatively is perfectly acceptable. Especially on the internet..

However, you, idra and others know each other irl and he's a regular member here so I found the post a tad too offending as a friend. An eye to eye, some might say but you are a lot more mature than him and your words were quite insulting from third person's pespective.

And I fully agree that the guy needs to learn some manner and respect. More so than this however, needs to grow up mentally and learn to accept defeats and see where one's mistakes are so he can improve further.

Furthermore, you remind me a lot of my old highschool matey whom had similar characteristics as you. If you ever find yourself down in sheepland for whatever reasons, I would very much like to treat you some cheap liquor :D
Why So Serious?!
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
February 23 2009 10:31 GMT
#360
On February 23 2009 19:09 V6 wrote:
so im just wondering. whats up with the flaming of Artosis rekrul? he seems like such a good sport ^^
what did he do
maybe im just missunderstanding things.


you are
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