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sMi.WiZaRd
Profile Joined February 2009
United States28 Posts
February 23 2009 08:16 GMT
#301
funny stuff
aka; WiZaRd W]i[ZaRd
Rho_
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States971 Posts
February 23 2009 08:17 GMT
#302
On February 23 2009 17:16 VIB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2009 17:02 Rekrul wrote:
Even though I don't really know IdrA I'm 100% certain he didn't give a fuck that Nony came to Korea. Nony didn't tear anything up. He almost won a courage which is awesome for TL.netters but in Korea thats like taking your fingernail to an armored car...nice try.
Maybe it's because it's 5am but I don't understand that analogy, what is that supposed to mean? Courage is meaningless?


Yes, that is his point. While it's big for the foreign community, it's no big deal on the scene in general.
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
February 23 2009 08:18 GMT
#303
On February 23 2009 17:16 VIB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2009 17:02 Rekrul wrote:
Even though I don't really know IdrA I'm 100% certain he didn't give a fuck that Nony came to Korea. Nony didn't tear anything up. He almost won a courage which is awesome for TL.netters but in Korea thats like taking your fingernail to an armored car...nice try.
Maybe it's because it's 5am but I don't understand that analogy, what is that supposed to mean? Courage is meaningless?


Going to the final round and losing is....
why so 진지해?
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
February 23 2009 08:20 GMT
#304
Basically, losing in Courage is the same regardless of where you lost. It's still losing. It only matters if you win a license.
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
February 23 2009 08:20 GMT
#305
Lol Idra reminds me of the English football team.
WHY DON'T YOU FUCKING PEFORM?!
WHY CAN'T YOU LIVE UP TO YOUR HYPE?!

I've got a lot of respect for Idra for going to Korea and sticking it out for so long.
He might be BM but who gives a shit.

As far as I'm concerned, like him or hate him he brings a LOT of entertainment, this thread is just another example of the "Idra" effect. Everytime he does anything hilarity ensues, from the swarms of haters to the people who stick up for him (like myself I guess).
No other playing could lose a series 5-2 and stir up such a MASSIVE shit storm in the process.

I just hope all the shit doesn't make him give up, because the last thing we need is another quitter.
More showmatches please!
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
February 23 2009 08:22 GMT
#306
On February 23 2009 17:20 Klive5ive wrote:
Lol Idra reminds me of the English football team.
WHY DON'T YOU FUCKING PEFORM?!
WHY CAN'T YOU LIVE UP TO YOUR HYPE?!

I've got a lot of respect for Idra for going to Korea and sticking it out for so long.
He might be BM but who gives a shit.

As far as I'm concerned, like him or hate him he brings a LOT of entertainment, this thread is just another example of the "Idra" effect. Everytime he does anything hilarity ensues, from the swarms of haters to the people who stick up for him (like myself I guess).
No other playing could lose a series 5-2 and stir up such a MASSIVE shit storm in the process.

I just hope all the shit doesn't make him give up, because the last thing we need is another quitter.
More showmatches please!


Hey now I'm the brewmaster he's just the stew.
why so 진지해?
gedanbarai
Profile Joined February 2009
United States64 Posts
February 23 2009 08:24 GMT
#307
teamliquid as a whole is a little at fault too, idra was almost encouraged to be idra, or at least expected to be his usual self with all the pregame hype

build him up, tear him down! show bizz at its best
its been done many times in many sports events too, its classic
this event couldnt have been more succeful, teamliquid staff at least should be thanking idra for the show, the hits and the buzzzzzzzzzz

thank you idra, thank y 4 the show
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
February 23 2009 08:27 GMT
#308
Yes, Idra seems to thinks a little too highly of himself. Yes, Rekrul comes off as an attention whore.

But TL loves the drama. It thrives on it. I'm calling a conspiracy on this whole scene.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
February 23 2009 08:27 GMT
#309
Dont lump IdrA in with the whole foreigner scene.. He is american.

And its another PERFECT example of how "game mechanics" will not win you games! I dont care if you have 300 APM or whatever, you cant win games without game sense and overall SMARTS in Starcraft! Thats why SC2 is going to be great, taking away a small portion of the "mechanics" and putting more emphasis on skill level and smarts, rewarding originality instead of rewarding idiots who practice ONE build order for 10 hours a day for 9 months. That is NOT SKILL! Anyone can get 300 APM and perfect ONE build order like IdrA, but to actually take risks and win games based on game smarts and originality, is another level, which obviously IdrA doesnt understand (and same with most foreigners, hence why theres none in Korea right now doing well)

F91 has great game sense and originality/ability to not just use the "latest builds out of korea" and still win games. Congrats to him.

Canada Gaming ~~ The-Feared
I3oxerfan
Profile Joined January 2008
215 Posts
February 23 2009 08:29 GMT
#310
On February 23 2009 17:27 Skyze wrote:
And its another PERFECT example of how "game mechanics" will not win you games! I dont care if you have 300 APM or whatever, you cant win games without game sense and overall SMARTS in Starcraft! Thats why SC2 is going to be great, taking away a small portion of the "mechanics" and putting more emphasis on skill level and smarts, rewarding originality instead of rewarding idiots who practice ONE build order for 10 hours a day for 9 months.



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NOT
404.Nintu
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1723 Posts
February 23 2009 08:31 GMT
#311
The way I see it, to succeed in Korea, you need to take a lot away from this series. This is not really an option. If you wish to become a successful competitor, this is mandatory.

That being said, I think Idra will take a lot out of this defeat. I do think his pride blinds him from from reaching his ultimate potential, but this is entirely reversible. If Idra takes this defeat constructively I think he has just as much potential as any other CJ B-teamer at making the A.

This is already known by pretty much everyone. I could say something cliche like "The loser learns a lesson, the winner becomes complacent." but that's not what this thread is about.

This thread is about politics. I don't think Rekrul gives a shit whether or not you go home tomorrow or bring SL titles back to America. I have to imagine that other than your close friends and hardcore fans, we're just generally not too invested in your success. We would love to see a foreigner rape pros obviously, but when we wake up in the morning, we rub one out and go to work.

What DOES matter to most the foreigners here, is your attitude. You have a VERY simple choice. This entire thread is a road-map on how to attain the affection and admiration of tons of nerdy Starcraft players from all over the world. I think you're lucky as fuck to be told so clearly how to be liked, and when you start being unlikable, to be given explicit instructions on how to fix it.

The message is clear. Whether you think F91 is a shit player or not is irrelevant, that will only determine your success in Korea, which is a separate issue. Everyone knows it's hard to lose, especially when the expectations are absolutely massive. It takes that much more character to swallow ones pride and congratulate F91 on his win, and that he deserved it for exploiting you so fantastically.

We want to like you and are, for the most part, doing our best to try and convince you to like us back but all we're getting is a cold shoulder. Treat your fans with the same respect they treat you if you want their support. If you don't give a rats ass about foreigner support, then by all means keep doing what you're doing. I really don't care.

Charisma is not hard to obtain, especially when there threads dedicated to helping you with your specific character flaws. Reflect. Adapt. These are not empty words.
"So, then did the American yum-yum clown monkey also represent the FCC?"
rushz0rz
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada5300 Posts
February 23 2009 08:31 GMT
#312
lol...

I really enjoyed reading all this.
IntoTheRainBOw fan~
gedanbarai
Profile Joined February 2009
United States64 Posts
February 23 2009 08:31 GMT
#313
On February 23 2009 17:27 Osmoses wrote:
Yes, Idra seems to thinks a little too highly of himself. Yes, Rekrul comes off as an attention whore.

But TL loves the drama. It thrives on it. I'm calling a conspiracy on this whole scene.


but without him, this site would have never really been
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
February 23 2009 08:34 GMT
#314
My dream is to have one of these be about me Maybe just a little >_<
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
February 23 2009 08:36 GMT
#315
On February 23 2009 17:34 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
My dream is to have one of these be about me Maybe just a little >_<


Depending on how The Ultimate Gamer goes, maybe you'll get your dream.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
February 23 2009 08:38 GMT
#316
On February 23 2009 17:27 Skyze wrote:
Dont lump IdrA in with the whole foreigner scene.. He is american.

And its another PERFECT example of how "game mechanics" will not win you games! I dont care if you have 300 APM or whatever, you cant win games without game sense and overall SMARTS in Starcraft! Thats why SC2 is going to be great, taking away a small portion of the "mechanics" and putting more emphasis on skill level and smarts, rewarding originality instead of rewarding idiots who practice ONE build order for 10 hours a day for 9 months. That is NOT SKILL! Anyone can get 300 APM and perfect ONE build order like IdrA, but to actually take risks and win games based on game smarts and originality, is another level, which obviously IdrA doesnt understand (and same with most foreigners, hence why theres none in Korea right now doing well)

F91 has great game sense and originality/ability to not just use the "latest builds out of korea" and still win games. Congrats to him.


Noone has the brilliancy to understand this in the foreigner scene expect for Skyze, who, with his incredible amount of smarts, is going to dominate SC2 when things that require no skill like micro and macro are taken out of the game.

And a foreigner's a non-korean.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
February 23 2009 08:39 GMT
#317
On February 23 2009 17:36 Zzoram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2009 17:34 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
My dream is to have one of these be about me Maybe just a little >_<


Depending on how The Ultimate Gamer goes, maybe you'll get your dream.


Nah.. I'm untouchable for that. Nobody here has done a full fledge reality show But I have been a loud mouth around here! You'd think Rek would have something for me
Ido
Profile Joined November 2005
Germany661 Posts
February 23 2009 08:41 GMT
#318
pathetic Thread
1sd2sd3sd
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
660 Posts
February 23 2009 08:42 GMT
#319
no reason for anyone to get worked up over something so silly... congrats to f91 for playing well, hopefully both players learned something from these games
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-23 08:49:23
February 23 2009 08:44 GMT
#320
Idra threads are the best and i hope he never leaves koera
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
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