EPT7/10
Too obvious, though. Especially for so much effort put into it.
Terran Overpowered? - Page 2
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
7/10 Too obvious, though. Especially for so much effort put into it. | ||
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zgl
United States1055 Posts
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foodontable
China341 Posts
On October 17 2008 06:12 F13 wrote: When Terran drops vultures in a Protoss base, they will do 2 hits to kill each probe. When Protoss drops Goons into T base, it will take 6 hits to kill each SCV. Please tell me that it is balanced when looking at it in that perspective What kind of retard drops goons into an scv line? There's a reason certain units are used for harassing. (Reavers and ht anybody?) | ||
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letsbefree
Canada123 Posts
On October 17 2008 06:12 F13 wrote: When Terran drops vultures in a Protoss base, they will do 2 hits to kill each probe. When Protoss drops Goons into T base, it will take 6 hits to kill each SCV. Its not that SCV is powerful, its just that they have too much life to be fair. Killing workers is a optimal method of offset the opponent's economy; this is why SCV life have to be reduced to make harrassment equal Plz tell me how that is imbalanced when you drop reavers/high templars into your enemy's base.. | ||
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F13
United States38 Posts
Yes I know. Whether Terran SCV health changes from 60 to 40 to back to 60 makes no difference in terms of reaver harrassment. Thats why it should be changed to affect goon damage to workers | ||
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
Lol maybe he hasn't seen Jianfei play? Why the hell would you drop goons?? They utterly suck against workers and would not be effective whether or not SCVs had 40 health. Do you do dragoons drops vs zerg? | ||
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F13
United States38 Posts
On October 17 2008 06:14 foodontable wrote: What kind of retard drops goons into an scv line? There's a reason certain units are used for harassing. (Reavers and ht anybody?) I'm not saying goons have to be dropped, but there are lots of times when there will be goons just shooting at SCV because P army just overran the Terran expo. I am just saying in the instance when Goons meet SCV, not necessarily using goons to harrass Storms will be more effective if the worker was 40 health rather than 60 | ||
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
Tanks: Melee units SCVs need 60 HP especially since they are stuck working on a building as opposed to Protoss and Zerg who don't need to stick around and be vulnerable. MMF: Not even going to answer. Turrets: Already do explosive. Nothing needs to be changed. Goliaths: Dragoons + Storm Dropship: Lawl. Metal upgrades: So? Protoss counters with Storm, Carriers, Stasis. Metal is clunky and slow. No walls? Every PvT game will end in 2 Gate Goon Range heavy pressure. Vessels are expensive and easy to kill. To compensate, there is Comsat. Tech tree: You kill Vessels with Scourge. Problem solved. You kill Metal with Zealots + Dragoons. Mid-tech Terran vs low-tech Protoss. Omg P imba. | ||
MasterOfChaos
Germany2896 Posts
And if you look at the other races you find a number of "imbalances" like dark swarm, cracklings, psystorm... And you have clear technical mistakes in your comparision. ie in Cannon vs turret you conveniently forgot to mention explosive dmg vs normal dmg. | ||
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Sprite
United States1015 Posts
On October 17 2008 06:17 F13 wrote: I'm not saying goons have to be dropped, but there are lots of times when there will be goons just shooting at SCV because P army just overran the Terran expo. I am just saying in the instance when Goons meet SCV, not necessarily using goons to harrass Storms will be more effective if the worker was 40 health rather than 60 Last comment uninstall, storms tear up scvs. | ||
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
On October 17 2008 06:12 F13 wrote: When Terran drops vultures in a Protoss base, they will do 2 hits to kill each probe. When Protoss drops Goons into T base, it will take 6 hits to kill each SCV. Its not that SCV is powerful, its just that they have too much life to be fair. Killing workers is a optimal method of offset the opponent's economy; this is why SCV life have to be reduced to make harrassment equal JESUS. Last time I checked Terran doesn't have the reaver who can kill up to 12 scvs in ONE SHOT and is about as expensive as a 4 vult drop. Last time I checked, terran doesn't have the darktemplar who's INVISABLE and kills scvs in 2 shots not to mention it fucking tears down turrets in matter of seconds. Last time I checked terran doesn't have storm which rapes your ENTIRE scv-line in seconds if you don't react quick enough. BUT HEY, lets make scv health 40 so that it'll only take 1 storm to blow up 24 scvs in 1 second, lets make 1 scarab blow up 16 scvs instead of blowing up 6 of them and splashing another 10. Let's make shuttle-goon harass efficient, because Protoss are so limited when it comes to harassing a terran. WHAT THE FUCK | ||
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MorningMusume11
United States3490 Posts
I don't know which one I hate more, those, are DT's haha. Oh and F13, Golis are 100 min 50 gas =D Seriously imba yeah? =P | ||
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F13
United States38 Posts
On October 17 2008 06:13 letsbefree wrote: And the only reason you think it's unbalanced is because either you lose too much to terrans or you don't play terran at all. From the perspective of gameplay, do you know how hard it is to spread marines against lurkers? to micro your vessels to dodge scourages? to constantly plant mines in TvP? to goliath micro against carriers? to dodge Dark Swarms? It's not a matter of whether the game is balanced or not, it's skills that matters. Vessels getting scourged should not happen if they are close by your m&m army. Its just Terran player's negligance and mistake if Vessels get scourged. Dodging dark swarms is relatively easy for higher level players, I see them always stimming and pulling back. Constantly planting mines might sound like a "problem" in your persepective but the actual ability to do that in the 1st place is like a reward. Protosses dont have useful powerful mines to plant in the 1st place Spreading marines against lurkers? Tanks > lurkers, and usually its the Zerg army (lurkers) that comes to your stationary Terran army. When lurkers come, stim and get ready to pull back after few seconds. Rinse and repeat. | ||
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
okay, scv needs 60hp because they have to MAKE the buildings instead of transforming/warping buildings from nothing. if they had 40hp it would be so hilariously imba. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11565 Posts
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xxsaznpride
United States506 Posts
RIGHT?? DON'T TELL ME SERIOUS THREAD IS SERIOUS?!?!?!?! | ||
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clazziquai
6685 Posts
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
edit: I think he really is serious about this... | ||
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Sprite
United States1015 Posts
On October 17 2008 06:20 F13 wrote: Vessels getting scourged should not happen if they are close by your m&m army. Its just Terran player's negligance and mistake if Vessels get scourged. Dodging dark swarms is relatively easy for higher level players, I see them always stimming and pulling back. Constantly planting mines might sound like a "problem" in your persepective but the actual ability to do that in the 1st place is like a reward. Protosses dont have useful powerful mines to plant in the 1st place Spreading marines against lurkers? Tanks > lurkers, and usually its the Zerg army (lurkers) that comes to your stationary Terran army. When lurkers come, stim and get ready to pull back after few seconds. Rinse and repeat. Look at me i watch progamers and now i understand game balance yippy! | ||
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
On October 17 2008 06:20 F13 wrote: Vessels getting scourged should not happen if they are close by your m&m army. Its just Terran player's negligance and mistake if Vessels get scourged. Dodging dark swarms is relatively easy for higher level players, I see them always stimming and pulling back. Constantly planting mines might sound like a "problem" in your persepective but the actual ability to do that in the 1st place is like a reward. Protosses dont have useful powerful mines to plant in the 1st place Spreading marines against lurkers? Tanks > lurkers, and usually its the Zerg army (lurkers) that comes to your stationary Terran army. When lurkers come, stim and get ready to pull back after few seconds. Rinse and repeat. Okay I'm done here. You obviously have no understanding of the game at all. I mean seriously? | ||
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