EPTAnd look at Hillary Clinton's strongest supporters... they're blue-collar women. Women are more likely to be creationists than the populace in general and so are blue-collar workers.
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
And look at Hillary Clinton's strongest supporters... they're blue-collar women. Women are more likely to be creationists than the populace in general and so are blue-collar workers. | ||
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
Gender groups don't have the solidarity of racial groups, ie, blacks will vote for blackie, but girls won't necessarily vote for girlie. | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12257 Posts
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Kaesi
United States82 Posts
On September 02 2008 00:37 oneofthem wrote: he's a law school professor. they generally think about this stuff. just maybe? To Boghat: lol fucking talk vs substance? What substance do you expect? You want substance, go open a textbook. But in general, you can't expect much. Nobody knows what the best way to run a gov't is, and nobody can predict the future. And you're an utter fool if you think detailed plans for how you're going to govern for the next four years are worth anything. WTF kind of plans could you make in our rapidly changing world that are detailed and nuanced and perfect for the next four years? A politician should express what their guiding principles are, what their administration's basic agenda is, and what style of leadership/diplomacy they'll be bringing to the White House. Beyond that is just pure bullshit. Get a clue before you start trying to categorize what's "talk" and what's "substance." It's pure retardation to think anybody would get up on a podium and give play-by-play accounts of how they're going to run a fucking nation. You think anyone would even sit and listen to that? | ||
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ahrara_
Afghanistan1715 Posts
On September 02 2008 04:18 Excalibur_Z wrote: I don't see why Palin is such a bad VP choice, really. She's the only one out of Obama, McCain, and Biden who has actual executive experience. Even for only a couple of years, that's more than any of the others can say. For McCain and Biden especially, since those guys have been in the Senate (and hence the "Washington crowd") for far too long, and we've seen what the approval rating of Congress has been. You could argue running a small business is "executive" experience. I trust that Palin is an effective leader and manager. She doesn't strike me as the Dick Cheney type oneofthem thinks she is. But she has no idea how Washington works, doesn't have any idea it looks like about economics or foreign affairs. I'm not saying she won't be a good leader, I'm saying she'll make bad decisions and write bad legislation. She won't contribute to McCain's administration in a significant way, and I feel very uncomfortable with her as head of state. And it's not for a couple of years. It's for barely two years, since late 06. Unless you count being the mayor of a 8000 pop town. | ||
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ahrara_
Afghanistan1715 Posts
On September 02 2008 04:24 Kaesi wrote: lol fucking talk vs substance? What substance do you expect? You want substance, go open a textbook. But in general, you can't expect much. Nobody knows what the best way to run a gov't is, and nobody can predict the future. And you're an utter fool if you think detailed plans for how you're going to govern for the next four years are worth anything. WTF kind of plans could you make in our rapidly changing world that are detailed and nuanced and perfect for the next four years? A politician should express what their guiding principles are, what their administration's basic agenda is, and what style of leadership/diplomacy they'll be bringing to the White House. Beyond that is just pure bullshit. Get a clue before you start trying to categorize what's "talk" and what's "substance." It's pure retardation to think anybody would get up on a podium and give play-by-play accounts of how they're going to run a fucking nation. You think anyone would even sit and listen to that? i kind of agree with you but did you have to be so insulting? did he kill your grandmother or some shit? | ||
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Kaesi
United States82 Posts
On September 02 2008 03:00 MYM.Testie wrote: Everybody has retarded supporters. But the majority of her supporters aren't creationists. They would more likely be college / university educated and not buy into that shit. ;p Testie, I don't know if it's because you're coming from Canada or what, but do you honestly understand who Clinton's supporters are? University educated and not buy into creationism? Did you see the platform she ran on? Shooting clay pidgeons in Scranton with grandPAW? Throwing back shots? The whole I'm your girl bs. Other than the most hardcore of feminists and pantsuit-wearing man haters, Clinton's only supporters are ardent rednecks and racists. Oh, and the few Reagan democrats that actually think Hillary has a better temperament to lead the US than Obama. I mean seriously now. 2 am phone call? I DODGED SNIPER FIRE in Bosnia?! Joke candidate. Establishment candidate. And yes, shrill, psychotic, power-hungry maniac. On the topic of Sarah Palin: She's mired in how many scandals? 1. Abuse of power, state trooper. 2. Bridge to nowhere, for it then against it flip-flop 3. 17 yr old daughter, 5 mo. pregnant, out of wedlock. 4. Mat Dairy Factory, fired entire creamery board for making an investigation that deemed the dairy factory inefficient and a drain on Alaska's economy. New creamery board, after 1 mill later, STILL found the dairy factory inefficient. Now it's gov't subsidized.... and still operating. Her "experience:" 1. Sportscaster 2. Beauty Pageant 3. Mayor of town of 9000. Town Hall smaller than a CVS drug store. 4. 1 year as governor of Alaska (refer back to how many scandals she's managed to create within one year of "service") Just LOL at this candidate man. Pure trash. There's not even a comparison between her and Obama. What's her reason for even running for office? To instill social-conservative Republicans on America through governmental power? Sers. Does anyone even ask this anymore? It's clear to me why Obama's running for President. He truly believes in what he's doing. I mean, even Hillary, she's nuts but she does it because she really thinks she's best for running the country. She's dedicated her whole damn life to it. I can't stand her, but she has sacrificed her LIFE for this. McCain? Wow. Groomed for it. Comes from Navy royalty. Admiral after admiral... gets shot down and tortured. Comes home, divorces his wife, marries much younger billionaire beer heiress. Sits around, becomes a senator (read: never gets a job), falls asleep in the Senate a couple thousand times, launches into furious tirades and spews profanity in paroxisms of anger, and then slowly lapses into senility. His reason for doing any of this? He's a patriot?!? I've never even seen him detail WHY he's patriotic about the US. Because he joined the Air Force? He got tortured? He's some WAR HERO for that now? WTF kind of contribution is that? He ran two missions and survived, that makes him a WAR HERO? How many soldiers have gotten purple hearts? How many of them do we know about? I guess it's heroic since he comes from a rich family. That makes it Soooo much more heroic. Palin: It's a great honor for me. I want to show the rest of the USA what Alaska has to offer. (Translation: I have no fucking clue why I'm here. I'm a noob, but dude would any noob pass up the chance if SKT1 invited them to play proleague for them?") | ||
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Kaesi
United States82 Posts
On September 02 2008 04:29 ahrara_ wrote: i kind of agree with you but did you have to be so insulting? did he kill your grandmother or some shit? Sorry, and sorry to boghat. No, he didn't do anything to me. I have anger management problems. But I especially get angry when I see these kinds of talking points passed around like they're fact. I hate how the MSM and these crappy campaigns get out there and just spew garbage to people, and then the people are so stupid that they don't even think it through and just go around babbling it themselves. And even more ironic to me is that this whole talk vs substance thing makes some people feel like they're tough, or cool, or knowledgeable, and that they demand a politician of SUBSTANCE, a real CAPABLE guy/gal. As if they'd know capable if it peed on their head. | ||
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ahrara_
Afghanistan1715 Posts
On September 02 2008 04:38 Kaesi wrote: Testie, I don't know if it's because you're coming from Canada or what, but do you honestly understand who Clinton's supporters are? University educated and not buy into creationism? Did you see the platform she ran on? Shooting clay pidgeons in Scranton with grandPAW? Throwing back shots? The whole I'm your girl bs. Other than the most hardcore of feminists and pantsuit-wearing man haters, Clinton's only supporters are ardent rednecks and racists. Oh, and the few Reagan democrats that actually think Hillary has a better temperament to lead the US than Obama. I mean seriously now. 2 am phone call? I DODGED SNIPER FIRE in Bosnia?! Joke candidate. Establishment candidate. And yes, shrill, psychotic, power-hungry maniac. On the topic of Sarah Palin: She's mired in how many scandals? 1. Abuse of power, state trooper. 2. Bridge to nowhere, for it then against it flip-flop 3. 17 yr old daughter, 5 mo. pregnant, out of wedlock. 4. Mat Dairy Factory, fired entire creamery board for making an investigation that deemed the dairy factory inefficient and a drain on Alaska's economy. New creamery board, after 1 mill later, STILL found the dairy factory inefficient. Now it's gov't subsidized.... and still operating. Her "experience:" 1. Sportscaster 2. Beauty Pageant 3. Mayor of town of 9000. Town Hall smaller than a CVS drug store. 4. 1 year as governor of Alaska (refer back to how many scandals she's managed to create within one year of "service") Just LOL at this candidate man. Pure trash. There's not even a comparison between her and Obama. What's her reason for even running for office? To instill social-conservative Republicans on America through governmental power? Sers. Does anyone even ask this anymore? It's clear to me why Obama's running for President. He truly believes in what he's doing. I mean, even Hillary, she's nuts but she does it because she really thinks she's best for running the country. She's dedicated her whole damn life to it. I can't stand her, but she has sacrificed her LIFE for this. McCain? Wow. Groomed for it. Comes from Navy royalty. Admiral after admiral... gets shot down and tortured. Comes home, divorces his wife, marries much younger billionaire beer heiress. Sits around, becomes a senator (read: never gets a job), falls asleep in the Senate a couple thousand times, launches into furious tirades and spews profanity in paroxisms of anger, and then slowly lapses into senility. His reason for doing any of this? He's a patriot?!? I've never even seen him detail WHY he's patriotic about the US. Because he joined the Air Force? He got tortured? He's some WAR HERO for that now? WTF kind of contribution is that? He ran two missions and survived, that makes him a WAR HERO? How many soldiers have gotten purple hearts? How many of them do we know about? I guess it's heroic since he comes from a rich family. That makes it Soooo much more heroic. Palin: It's a great honor for me. I want to show the rest of the USA what Alaska has to offer. (Translation: I have no fucking clue why I'm here. I'm a noob, but dude would any noob pass up the chance if SKT1 invited them to play proleague for them?") unrelated but my porn folder is titled "CVS" and is hidden way deep down under "Windows" | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Luddite
United States2315 Posts
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Muirhead
United States557 Posts
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12257 Posts
On September 02 2008 04:24 ahrara_ wrote: You could argue running a small business is "executive" experience. I trust that Palin is an effective leader and manager. She doesn't strike me as the Dick Cheney type oneofthem thinks she is. But she has no idea how Washington works, doesn't have any idea it looks like about economics or foreign affairs. I'm not saying she won't be a good leader, I'm saying she'll make bad decisions and write bad legislation. She won't contribute to McCain's administration in a significant way, and I feel very uncomfortable with her as head of state. And it's not for a couple of years. It's for barely two years, since late 06. Unless you count being the mayor of a 8000 pop town. A couple of years = 2 years  As for your first sentence, I'm not sure if you're being facetious or not, but it's true. Running a successful business definitely qualifies as executive experience. It shows you know how to manage people and resources. It's even arguable that running the country can be related to running an extremely large business. The US is the largest economy in the world, and the government contains a bunch of different departments just as you would see in any large company. Even more fitting, a company rises and falls by the support of its customers, just as the government changes by the decisions of its citizens. | ||
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Luddite
United States2315 Posts
On September 02 2008 06:08 Muirhead wrote: I think that by executive experience they are talking about the governorship... Well usually people say something like, "oh but she has 12 years of executive experience!" I just wanted to point out that her ONLY meaningful experience is being governor of one of our least important states, for 20 months. That's less time than Obama and McCain have been running their campaigns. How could anyone think that 20 months as Alaska's governor is enough to prepare her to make the jump from small town mayor, to maybe being the president? It's proposterous. | ||
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Silverflame
United States428 Posts
Palin also supports abstinence-only education, which makes her 17 year-old daughters pregnancy not all that surprising anymore. | ||
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funkie
Venezuela9377 Posts
On September 02 2008 07:21 Silverflame wrote: Not to mention, during her time as mayor of Wasilla, she rose sales taxes but managed to leave the town in $20 million in long-term debt, or $3000 per person Palin also supports abstinence-only education, which makes her 17 year-old daughters pregnancy not all that surprising anymore. OH SNAP BITCH! asafjasiduf | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On September 02 2008 04:18 Excalibur_Z wrote: I don't see why Palin is such a bad VP choice, really. She's the only one out of Obama, McCain, and Biden who has actual executive experience. Even for only a couple of years, that's more than any of the others can say. For McCain and Biden especially, since those guys have been in the Senate (and hence the "Washington crowd") for far too long, and we've seen what the approval rating of Congress has been. Executive experience of Alaska is relatively meaningless. No offense to any Alaskan TLers, but the state receives more money per capita from the federal government than every other state in the union. She has zero experience with foreign policy. She has zero experience working with a budget deficit or tight economy. All she has are conservative values, and is supposedly anti-corruption, even though she supported the Bridge to Nowhere and has hired lobbyists in the past. Alaska is like the Saudi Arabia of the United States. They have money, because they just happened to be born on top of it. | ||
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Sharkey
668 Posts
On September 02 2008 06:35 Excalibur_Z wrote: A couple of years = 2 years 14. [B]a couple of[B], more than two, but not many, of; a small number of; a few: It will take a couple of days for the package to get there. Also, a couple. Source: "A couple of" I know I am pointing out semantics. But I thought that since you put the smiley face there I would be able to support your learning of this term. It also has been something that often irks me when I see others use in the way that you did, thus I replied. Palin became Governor of Alaska in December of 2006 and has served since then. Question: Since she is a VP candidate does she immediately relinquish her role as Governor and the VG (Vice Governor) of Alaska become the Governor? Or what happens? Thanks | ||
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deathgodtoss
Korea (North)189 Posts
On September 02 2008 02:54 Jibba wrote: http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/elections/story/8347904p-8243554c.html She is NOT winning over Hillary supporters... do you think hilary supporters actually look at differences in policies? hell a chunk of them are voting for mccain because somehow he is more similar to hillary than obama is. there is no rationale in us voters and it scares me to admit there is a huge chance that mccain will be the president | ||
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