EPTedit: so the democrats have won all 3 debates so far...
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a-game
Canada5214 Posts
edit: so the democrats have won all 3 debates so far... | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On October 08 2008 11:40 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Also how will it affect McCain when he mentioned Obama as "that one". Whoa where was this o.O I was afk from the debate for like 30 minutes, didn't catch this. That could be pretty bad for McCain though. It would probably be spun into this thing showing how racist McCain is. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On October 08 2008 12:17 a-game wrote: CBS poll says obama won the debate 39-27 39-27 and the rest undecided? That's a pretty decent margin of win. | ||
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a-game
Canada5214 Posts
here`s link http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/07/politics/horserace/entry4508356.shtml | ||
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yoshtodd
United States418 Posts
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
LOL Also, I felt bad for Tom Brokaw during the debate. He explained to them to keep their answers brief and stick to the questions several times, but eventually just gave up. | ||
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
McCain's views on foreign policy are completely outdated and dangerous, and Obama's stance on Iran and Russia are also ridiculous. Oh, we need to go build the economy of Georgia? They're really a good ally with a healthy democracy? Give Iran a fucking nuke, it'll probably make the middle east more stable and put Israel in fucking check. Stop pandering to rich, white Jews when they're not the ones who live there and have to deal with their many, many neo-conservative political groups. Both candidates pissed me off tonight and they're both full of shit on taxes and government spending but I think what strikes me the most, and it's rather petty, is that McCain actually doesn't understand tactics and strategies. THE SURGE IS A TACTIC. The man is not a fucking credible military or foreign policy expert. And by the way, they can talk all they want about earmarks and lobbyists, but K-street isn't going to disappear and NEWS FLASH: LOBBYISTS AND EARMARKS ARE NOT THE DEVIL. Yeah, it'd be a good thing if they were better monitored or even had limitations so that the AARP, NRA and AIPAC didn't run wild but lobbyists should exist to serve minority interests and it's not a bad thing if small communities get federal funding for projects their states/constituents otherwise couldn't afford. Congressmen are elected to serve the country AND their constituents; stop throwing everyone under the bus when many earmarks are actually put to good use. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
Handled that nicely. | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
sickening. Hannity asking if the terrorist shit will be brought up by the next debate GTFO someone needs to off him and glenn beck at the same time | ||
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zOula...
United States898 Posts
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a-game
Canada5214 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On October 08 2008 12:37 Jibba wrote: Neither candidate was very good and both of them have major holes in their arguments. Both candidates are going to have to increase government spending to cover their plans (and raise FICA) while Obama's health care policy is better in the long run, his fix for Social Security is non-existant and his "green job" policy is weak. McCain is a morally bankrupt human being and if I were a Christian, I'd believe he'd be going to Hell. The level of exceptionalism he's been taunting is sickening (WE DO NOT HAVE THE STRONGEST WORK FORCE AND WE'RE NOT BORN INNOVATIVE) and most of his claims are equally as flimsy. McCain's views on foreign policy are completely outdated and dangerous, and Obama's stance on Iran and Russia are also ridiculous. Oh, we need to go build the economy of Georgia? They're really a good ally with a healthy democracy? Give Iran a fucking nuke, it'll probably make the middle east more stable and put Israel in fucking check. Stop pandering to rich, white Jews when they're not the ones who live there and have to deal with their many, many neo-conservative political groups. Both candidates pissed me off tonight and they're both full of shit on taxes and government spending but I think what strikes me the most, and it's rather petty, is that McCain actually doesn't understand tactics and strategies. THE SURGE IS A TACTIC. The man is not a fucking credible military or foreign policy expert. And by the way, they can talk all they want about earmarks and lobbyists, but K-street isn't going to disappear and NEWS FLASH: LOBBYISTS AND EARMARKS ARE NOT THE DEVIL. Yeah, it'd be a good thing if they were better monitored or even had limitations so that the AARP, NRA and AIPAC didn't run wild but lobbyists should exist to serve minority interests and it's not a bad thing if small communities get federal funding for projects their states/constituents otherwise couldn't afford. Congressmen are elected to serve the country AND their constituents; stop throwing everyone under the bus when many earmarks are actually put to good use. Give Iran a nuke to keep Israel in cheak? Is that obvious sarcasm of someone wanting to play devils advocate or do you just believe in the awesome nature that is humanity. News flash Jibba almost NO one likes these debates because basically it is them just taking safer stances with no real explanation on how things are done. Its lame but its what they did for these debates. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On October 08 2008 12:55 Slaughter)BiO wrote: Give Iran a nuke to keep Israel in cheak? Is that obvious sarcasm of someone wanting to play dvils advocate or are you just stupid? I'm 100% serious. Study each country and study deterrence theory. No one is going to nuke eachother, and terrorists don't magically get their hands on nukes. Iran wants to become a modern nation and nuclear power and weapons help in that regard, and Israel has been committing war crimes that have gone unpunished for decades. There's plenty of countries that already understand the nuclear technology and could build/activate it without being a threat. If their goal were truly to kill Israelis or even Americans, it'd be so much simpler to do it with chemical weapons, and yet they haven't. I'm talking like 1:50000 type costs for chemical/bio to nuclear. We buy into this whole fear notion, but we're no safer today from these attacks than we were 10 years ago and it wouldn't be all that difficult to inflict massive harm if as many people wanted to annihilate us as we're led to believe. The only real hotspot is India/Pakistan and we did absolutely nothing to prevent either country from obtaining them. "Human nature" is greedy. That is accounted for. Hell, we could even sell our nuclear technology to them. Make money, ensure that it's safe and keep tabs on them. | ||
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yoshtodd
United States418 Posts
1. Put a freeze on spending except for defense and veterans affairs. WHAT? So cut out everyone else and only fund the military? 2. Give people $5000 to buy healthcare. Seems like putting a bandaid on the problem and not addressing all the fundamental flaws and corruption that's run rampant. The industry still gonna screw people over even with their extra $5000. 3. Drill, drill drill Another bandaid that seems like it would be pretty insignificant and ineffectual. 4. Chase "victory" in Iraq. The time for victory is long past... we should now be in DAMAGE CONTROL mode. The longer we chase this elusive "victory" (victory over what, terrorism?) it just costs us more lives and more money we don't have. Sometimes you gotta put your ego aside and learn from defeat and heal. He's just like Bush championing some victory that is never gonna happen while people suffer and die. Just all seems like flimsy, plug your finger in the leak fixes. So all he ever falls back on is "look at my record I'm a maverick, I'm a veteran, I'm gonna fix everything". The guy doesn't seem to live in reality, he just wants to be the next Reagan and also reap glory from winning some noble war. Meanwhile the rest of the country and the world is left to suffer. | ||
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On October 08 2008 13:22 TeCh)PsylO wrote: We were supporting people that became the Taliban and "Al Qaeda" and that fact has direct implications to 9/11 and what our role and response has been and needs to be. What does Al Qaeda have to do with 9/11?????? hehe :D | ||
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
3. Drill, drill drill The McCain campaign has been preaching drilling as if we don't already drill. We are one of the biggest producers of oil in the world. The problem is not that we don't drill, it is that the big oil companies export the oil and hold on to supply to maintain high prices. Drilling will not create a flood of supply on the market and bring down prices. Oil companies will continue to do what they are already doing. McCains earmark mantra bugs me because it is a small % of our budget. If we cut out all the earmarks from our budget(some of which are good, a fact McCain ignores), we would still have a big budget problem. Than what are we going to do? This guy just doesn't make sense. That's like saying that a families budget is strained because there mortgage accounts for 45% of there take home pay, so lets cut back on the $20/month they spend at blockbuster. Seriously... | ||
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
On October 08 2008 13:29 BlackJack wrote: What does Al Qaeda have to do with 9/11?????? hehe :D hah, that was clever  | ||
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