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2008 US Presidential Election - Page 115
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Pacifist
Israel1683 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10501 Posts
On October 08 2008 12:17 EtherealDeath wrote: Whoa where was this o.O I was afk from the debate for like 30 minutes, didn't catch this. That could be pretty bad for McCain though. It would probably be spun into this thing showing how racist McCain is. doubt it. the dems suck at faking outrage | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14893 Posts
On October 08 2008 13:29 TeCh)PsylO wrote: The McCain campaign has been preaching drilling as if we don't already drill. We are one of the biggest producers of oil in the world. The problem is not that we don't drill, it is that the big oil companies export the oil and hold on to supply to maintain high prices. Drilling will not create a flood of supply on the market and bring down prices. Oil companies will continue to do what they are already doing. McCains earmark mantra bugs me because it is a small % of our budget. If we cut out all the earmarks from our budget(some of which are good, a fact McCain ignores), we would still have a big budget problem. Than what are we going to do? This guy just doesn't make sense. That's like saying that a families budget is strained because there mortgage accounts for 45% of there take home pay, so lets cut back on the $20/month they spend at blockbuster. Seriously... the earmarks thing bugs me too, and obama brings it up pretty often, and this comment seems to be ignored a lot though i don't know where that 18 billion dollar figure comes from, i'm curious. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
Maybe they think that by showing fake stats they will empower the republicans that think john McCain will lose and get them to vote ? | ||
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wswordsmen
United States987 Posts
On October 08 2008 23:19 D10 wrote: You know, its funny, because a liberal can certainly see when his candidate hasnt done well in a debate, but fox has shown McCain/Palin doing overwhelmingly good in all debates lol. Maybe they think that by showing fake stats they will empower the republicans that think john McCain will lose and get them to vote ? It isn't a random sample, so while it isn't a fake statistic, it is a useless statistic. It might as well be fake because it is a reflection of what Fox wanted to show not what is actually the truth. Kind of like if TL had what is the best game ever poll SC would win with well over 90% of the vote although even if all gamers respect Starcraft 90% wouldn't call it the best game ever. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On October 08 2008 23:19 D10 wrote: You know, its funny, because a liberal can certainly see when his candidate hasnt done well in a debate, but fox has shown McCain/Palin doing overwhelmingly good in all debates lol. Maybe they think that by showing fake stats they will empower the republicans that think john McCain will lose and get them to vote ? doesnt make sense, what?  | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
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wswordsmen
United States987 Posts
On October 09 2008 00:00 Sfydjklm wrote: speaking of healthcare, it is absolutely vital that US switches to universal healthcare like the rest of the civilized world and puts severe regulations in place. Cos right now the health system is going to hell the same way wall street was doing it just a bit while ago. You imply that wall street isn't currently going to hell. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On October 09 2008 00:09 wswordsmen wrote: You imply that wall street isn't currently going to hell. lol. No, it got there already. | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
Overall, poor people wait in huge lines but if they dont die on the wait they will get medical care for sure, the emergency system work fine, and it guarantee that you will get your treatment, whatever that might be, nonmatter whats your problem. I dont know ... public services are really important for us here, Brazilians believe firmly that its the government responsability to provide all basic services like health, education, energy (tho it got privatized a while ago). We even give free medicin to people that cant buy them. But its a consensus, that the moment you have the money to stop using public services, you will, because they just suck ass, and the private alternative is better. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On October 09 2008 00:14 D10 wrote: Here in Brazil we have universal healthcare, and it doesnt work, public hospitals suck so much that whenever people have the chance, they will go to the private sector (witch works WAYYY better even than you guys because it needs to be cheaper, more effective, and more regulated). Overall, poor people wait in huge lines but if they dont die on the wait they will get medical care for sure, the emergency system work fine, and it guarantee that you will get your treatment, whatever that might be, nonmatter whats your problem. I dont know ... public services are really important for us here, Brazilians believe firmly that its the government responsability to provide all basic services like health, education, energy (tho it got privatized a while ago). We even give free medicin to people that cant buy them. But its a consensus, that the moment you have the money to stop using public services, you will, because they just suck ass, and the private alternative is better. I know exactly what youre saying, we had exactly same thing in Belarus but i do believe that even in that shape or form with lack of proper equipment and medication it was still superior to American system. There definetely has to be a private sector, im not saying get rid of it, private sector creates competition amongst doctors which is completely lacking atm. But the problem with current system is that people who can afford to pay are in complete control over the doctor because they're counting their own money. The people who are subsidized by government either die because it doesnt cover them or have to go through a lot of unnecessary procedures, surgeries even, because doctor in US is about as rotten of profession as oil company CEO. Its money laundering basically. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
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evandi
United States266 Posts
On October 08 2008 23:19 D10 wrote: You know, its funny, because a liberal can certainly see when his candidate hasnt done well in a debate, but fox has shown McCain/Palin doing overwhelmingly good in all debates lol. Maybe they think that by showing fake stats they will empower the republicans that think john McCain will lose and get them to vote ? I don't watch MSNBC, but I'm pretty sure that they never pointed out that Biden lied in his debate many times. The restaurant he mentioned hasn't existed for 15 years. His current neighborhood is not a normal neighborhood. We did not kick Hezbollah out of Lebanon. (he is a foreign policy expert?) He lied about Obama wanting to meet with various enemies. (Obama said he would in the Youtube debate. In fact Biden attacked Obama for making that statement.) Did the liberal news organizations point any of this out? Does one having lied affect anyone's view of who won the debate? | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
On October 09 2008 02:20 evandi wrote: I don't watch MSNBC, but I'm pretty sure that they never pointed out that Biden lied in his debate many times. The restaurant he mentioned hasn't existed for 15 years. His current neighborhood is not a normal neighborhood. We did not kick Hezbollah out of Lebanon. (he is a foreign policy expert?) He lied about Obama wanting to meet with various enemies. (Obama said he would in the Youtube debate. In fact Biden attacked Obama for making that statement.) Did the liberal news organizations point any of this out? Does one having lied affect anyone's view of who won the debate? Yes and yes. | ||
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evandi
United States266 Posts
Actually, I believe the major ones did not point that out at all. I could be wrong, but for example I can't find anything in major American left-leaning newspapers like the nytimes or the channel msnbc or cnn when searching for "biden lied in debate" without quotes. Did anyone get informed by any of those sources? | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
CNN.com definitely covered them. And I know you're just trolling but you should probably touch up on your Google skills. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
I think he's genuinely dumb. | ||
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evandi
United States266 Posts
On October 09 2008 03:19 Jibba wrote: Washington Post covered them. I don't really read the NYT except special articles. CNN.com definitely covered them. And I know you're just trolling but you should probably touch up on your Google skills. Could you link to the articles? | ||
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evandi
United States266 Posts
On October 09 2008 03:23 MYM.Testie wrote: I don't think he's trolling. I think he's genuinely dumb. I are so stupid that you are completely incapable of pointing out where I am wrong. Its just crazy. One would think you almost didn't have to respond at all because its so obvious. | ||
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