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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
October 22 2007 02:24 GMT
#201
On October 22 2007 11:12 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2007 10:49 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Alright.. along those lines.. Did you guys know it could be possible that we are all actually a part of the matrix? And the professional SC scene could just be a opiate esque device designed to pacify us as our body is harvested for energy? ZOMG

THE PRO SCENE DOESNT MATTER, ITS ALL A HOAX.

Now you are really, really twisting his words. He didn't make it out to be at all likely..


No shit, nor did I say it was "likely" we live in the matrix but rather "its possible." My beef is with him making a "cynical rant" on a FUCKING POSSIBILITY. HENCE MY SATIRE.


FA dont be a retard, wear your thinking cap for fuck sakes.
HonkHonkBeep
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
China353 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-22 02:40:13
October 22 2007 02:27 GMT
#202
On October 22 2007 07:45 samsammy wrote:
All right.

Let me ask one thing.
Where is the evidence, people?

I do agree that in one way Hwasin and Calm did not take it seriously. The significance of IEST was more of an event to Hwasin, Calm and Sheis.

Thats why in Game one Sheis tried to fast nuke Pheonix (or leilei?) in quarterfinals.
It wasn't a losing strategy, but it was possible and fun.
Ok, in a sense they didn't do their best.
But I don't believe they rigged it. Like "you do this and I'll do that."
It was more like "Let's have fun, trying the best."

Please. Don't try to kill an innocent starcraft player before you even have evidence.
(I mean strong and hard evidence, not shallow ones)


Dude, you're an idiot. Your concept of proof is obviously skewed when you think someone saying they are happy they won in an interview magically proves their innocence. So your asking "where's the proof" means something completely different from what most people would take it to mean, since there's plenty of proof, and you obviously have difficulty reading since you have decided to completely ignore everything in this thread.

Anyways I find it pretty stupid what they did, but I'd like to know what the actual terms of their agreement were, how they picked who'd win, etc

On October 22 2007 10:53 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2007 10:42 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
orangedude makes really nice posts

but I somehow always disagree with them and actually feel a lil bit of annoyance with him each time.

he does the same thing in the mbs threads. posts that arent flat out wrong, but theyre built on bad assumptions or lack of knowledge, but theyre constructed well and he defends them to hell and back so its hard to argue with.


This is the height of irony. You need to develop some perspective, Idra.
God is cruel; sometimes he makes us live.
samsammy
Profile Joined December 2005
United States76 Posts
October 22 2007 02:33 GMT
#203
If you read more, I did change my opinion.
I do half believe that Hwasin rigged the game.

but I still keep my position in that we should be a bit more careful.
it isn't 100% sure
More anger plz-
syfa625
Profile Joined October 2007
China5 Posts
October 22 2007 02:38 GMT
#204
For the Korean players these foreign tournaments such as IEST are just pleasure ground, I don't blame them, for they dominate Starcraft .

orangedude
Profile Joined April 2007
Canada220 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-22 03:05:28
October 22 2007 02:47 GMT
#205
On October 22 2007 11:24 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2007 11:12 FrozenArbiter wrote:
On October 22 2007 10:49 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Alright.. along those lines.. Did you guys know it could be possible that we are all actually a part of the matrix? And the professional SC scene could just be a opiate esque device designed to pacify us as our body is harvested for energy? ZOMG

THE PRO SCENE DOESNT MATTER, ITS ALL A HOAX.

Now you are really, really twisting his words. He didn't make it out to be at all likely..


No shit, nor did I say it was "likely" we live in the matrix but rather "its possible." My beef is with him making a "cynical rant" on a FUCKING POSSIBILITY. HENCE MY SATIRE.


FA dont be a retard, wear your thinking cap for fuck sakes.

See, here's the problem. You think that rant was the main point of my post, when I just added it in as an afterthought when I was writing it. I only even wrote about the War3 scandal, because it was a response to Asta's post, and the point was to inform not to make accusations. You just have beef with me, because of the arguing from MBS threads.

Edit: Thanks FA.
wcg2007pj
Profile Joined October 2007
32 Posts
October 22 2007 02:51 GMT
#206
On October 22 2007 11:38 syfa625 wrote:
For the Korean players these foreign tournaments such as IEST are just pleasure ground, I don't blame them, for they dominate Starcraft .

quoted for truth.
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XellOs_PlutO
Profile Joined August 2003
Korea (South)166 Posts
October 22 2007 02:58 GMT
#207
What a shame.. can't believe this happened. Humiliating the whole progaming scene and Koreans. Hwasin's interview after the finals makes it worse. Victory by experience? WTF.. Looks like after Hwasin's loss against Bisu in MSL, STX Soul decided to make Hwasin the winner to somewhat improve his condition and avoid slump. That's the only reason I can think of rigging the game even though they can split up the money afterwards. Both players deserve heavy punishments and im curious what STX soul is gonna bring up for this.
Perstare et Praestare
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33723 Posts
October 22 2007 03:01 GMT
#208
On October 22 2007 11:24 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2007 11:12 FrozenArbiter wrote:
On October 22 2007 10:49 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Alright.. along those lines.. Did you guys know it could be possible that we are all actually a part of the matrix? And the professional SC scene could just be a opiate esque device designed to pacify us as our body is harvested for energy? ZOMG

THE PRO SCENE DOESNT MATTER, ITS ALL A HOAX.

Now you are really, really twisting his words. He didn't make it out to be at all likely..


No shit, nor did I say it was "likely" we live in the matrix but rather "its possible." My beef is with him making a "cynical rant" on a FUCKING POSSIBILITY. HENCE MY SATIRE.


FA dont be a retard, wear your thinking cap for fuck sakes.

Nah I'm on his side on this one, the main point of the post was the War3 incident, the last part was nothing but an 'aside'.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Insane
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States4991 Posts
October 22 2007 03:01 GMT
#209
On October 22 2007 11:58 XellOs_PlutO wrote:
What a shame.. can't believe this happened. Humiliating the whole progaming scene and Koreans. Hwasin's interview after the finals makes it worse. Victory by experience? WTF.. Looks like after Hwasin's loss against Bisu in MSL, STX Soul decided to make Hwasin the winner to somewhat improve his condition and avoid slump. That's the only reason I can think of rigging the game even though they can split up the money afterwards. Both players deserve heavy punishments and im curious what STX soul is gonna bring up for this.

I can't imagine winning a game you KNOW is rigged is going to improve your condition or make you feel good about your abilities. If anything, the fact that the game was rigged would be more likely to make you feel as if you couldn't win WITHOUT rigging.
keinjuan
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada17 Posts
October 22 2007 03:03 GMT
#210
For Korean progamers, competition like IEST does not mean anything.
Especially, the non-korean players, knowing they are gonna lose, often
try to cheese-rush. Then, why do the progamers bother to do their best in those games?
And if the audience really wanted the best games, they can just watch OSL or MSL.

Of course they did wrong things, but i am not sure if this is completely their fault though.
Where shall my blood be spilled.
il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-22 03:06:50
October 22 2007 03:05 GMT
#211
CRAZY, thats so messed up and disapointing, even if they won the other games fair and square, its not fair for audience


And correct me if I'm wrong but I think it was a superfight and hwasin could not control his mm force worth crap, it was sad and I was thinking how he beat savior. commentators were like, yes this game is hard to micro but its been out for 10 years and he still cant do it any good.
naventus
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States1339 Posts
October 22 2007 03:13 GMT
#212
Where do you think that prize money comes from?

Revenue from ads and fans coming to watch. Fans and ads won't pay for cheaters as the WC3 controversy showed.
hmm.
Fobbish
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Korea (South)1071 Posts
October 22 2007 03:14 GMT
#213
right now korean community is arguing themselve whether you can whisper in ixp or udp, some ppl say you can, some say cant.
강함은 타고나는 것이 아니라 만들어 지는 것이다! - 외인구단
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
October 22 2007 03:17 GMT
#214
I'm pretty damn sure that you can.
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6124 Posts
October 22 2007 03:19 GMT
#215
first stork now this

whats up with match fixing these days??

tennis is having the same problem too
#1 Terran hater
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
October 22 2007 03:20 GMT
#216
you can. tell them to go on hamachi and try it, its the same thing.
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XellOs_PlutO
Profile Joined August 2003
Korea (South)166 Posts
October 22 2007 03:22 GMT
#217
On October 22 2007 12:01 HnR)Insane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2007 11:58 XellOs_PlutO wrote:
What a shame.. can't believe this happened. Humiliating the whole progaming scene and Koreans. Hwasin's interview after the finals makes it worse. Victory by experience? WTF.. Looks like after Hwasin's loss against Bisu in MSL, STX Soul decided to make Hwasin the winner to somewhat improve his condition and avoid slump. That's the only reason I can think of rigging the game even though they can split up the money afterwards. Both players deserve heavy punishments and im curious what STX soul is gonna bring up for this.

I can't imagine winning a game you KNOW is rigged is going to improve your condition or make you feel good about your abilities. If anything, the fact that the game was rigged would be more likely to make you feel as if you couldn't win WITHOUT rigging.


You have a point. This manipulation only appeals to the public as if Hwasin still got the IEST title and managed to show his steady performance despite his deadly schedule last week. I guess STX Soul thought it is better off for Hwasin to win IEST even by fixing than losing both MSL and IEST. Volunteering for 30games in 3days and losing all might seem to harsh for the ace of the team.
Perstare et Praestare
greatmeh
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Canada1964 Posts
October 22 2007 03:31 GMT
#218
so the koreans don't take the foreigner tourneys seriously, what else is new?
kingwook
Profile Joined October 2007
Korea (South)1 Post
October 22 2007 03:46 GMT
#219
don't believe until it is completely proved.

Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
October 22 2007 03:46 GMT
#220
Hmm, interesting. It seems that we have successfully attracted some Korean members.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
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