No shit, nor did I say it was "likely" we live in the matrix but rather "its possible." My beef is with him making a "cynical rant" on a FUCKING POSSIBILITY. HENCE MY SATIRE.

FA dont be a retard, wear your thinking cap for fuck sakes.

HonkHonkBeep

China353 Posts

October 22 2007 02:27 GMT

#202

On October 22 2007 07:45 samsammy wrote:
All right.

Let me ask one thing.
Where is the evidence, people?

I do agree that in one way Hwasin and Calm did not take it seriously. The significance of IEST was more of an event to Hwasin, Calm and Sheis.

Thats why in Game one Sheis tried to fast nuke Pheonix (or leilei?) in quarterfinals.
It wasn't a losing strategy, but it was possible and fun.
Ok, in a sense they didn't do their best.
But I don't believe they rigged it. Like "you do this and I'll do that."
It was more like "Let's have fun, trying the best."

Please. Don't try to kill an innocent starcraft player before you even have evidence.
(I mean strong and hard evidence, not shallow ones)

Dude, you're an idiot. Your concept of proof is obviously skewed when you think someone saying they are happy they won in an interview magically proves their innocence. So your asking "where's the proof" means something completely different from what most people would take it to mean, since there's plenty of proof, and you obviously have difficulty reading since you have decided to completely ignore everything in this thread.

Anyways I find it pretty stupid what they did, but I'd like to know what the actual terms of their agreement were, how they picked who'd win, etc

On October 22 2007 10:53 IdrA wrote:

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he does the same thing in the mbs threads. posts that arent flat out wrong, but theyre built on bad assumptions or lack of knowledge, but theyre constructed well and he defends them to hell and back so its hard to argue with.

This is the height of irony. You need to develop some perspective, Idra.

samsammy

United States76 Posts

October 22 2007 02:33 GMT

#203

If you read more, I did change my opinion.
I do half believe that Hwasin rigged the game.

but I still keep my position in that we should be a bit more careful.
it isn't 100% sure

syfa625

China5 Posts

October 22 2007 02:38 GMT

#204

For the Korean players these foreign tournaments such as IEST are just pleasure ground, I don't blame them, for they dominate Starcraft .

orangedude

Canada220 Posts

October 22 2007 02:47 GMT

#205

On October 22 2007 11:24 {88}iNcontroL wrote:

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See, here's the problem. You think that rant was the main point of my post, when I just added it in as an afterthought when I was writing it. I only even wrote about the War3 scandal, because it was a response to Asta's post, and the point was to inform not to make accusations. You just have beef with me, because of the arguing from MBS threads.

Edit: Thanks FA.

wcg2007pj

32 Posts

October 22 2007 02:51 GMT

#206

On October 22 2007 11:38 syfa625 wrote:
For the Korean players these foreign tournaments such as IEST are just pleasure ground, I don't blame them, for they dominate Starcraft .

quoted for truth.

XellOs_PlutO

Korea (South)166 Posts

October 22 2007 02:58 GMT

#207

What a shame.. can't believe this happened. Humiliating the whole progaming scene and Koreans. Hwasin's interview after the finals makes it worse. Victory by experience? WTF.. Looks like after Hwasin's loss against Bisu in MSL, STX Soul decided to make Hwasin the winner to somewhat improve his condition and avoid slump. That's the only reason I can think of rigging the game even though they can split up the money afterwards. Both players deserve heavy punishments and im curious what STX soul is gonna bring up for this.

Liquid`Jinro

Sweden33719 Posts

October 22 2007 03:01 GMT

#208

On October 22 2007 11:24 {88}iNcontroL wrote:

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Nah I'm on his side on this one, the main point of the post was the War3 incident, the last part was nothing but an 'aside'.

Insane

United States4991 Posts

October 22 2007 03:01 GMT

#209

On October 22 2007 11:58 XellOs_PlutO wrote:
What a shame.. can't believe this happened. Humiliating the whole progaming scene and Koreans. Hwasin's interview after the finals makes it worse. Victory by experience? WTF.. Looks like after Hwasin's loss against Bisu in MSL, STX Soul decided to make Hwasin the winner to somewhat improve his condition and avoid slump. That's the only reason I can think of rigging the game even though they can split up the money afterwards. Both players deserve heavy punishments and im curious what STX soul is gonna bring up for this.

I can't imagine winning a game you KNOW is rigged is going to improve your condition or make you feel good about your abilities. If anything, the fact that the game was rigged would be more likely to make you feel as if you couldn't win WITHOUT rigging.

keinjuan

Canada17 Posts

October 22 2007 03:03 GMT

#210

For Korean progamers, competition like IEST does not mean anything.
Especially, the non-korean players, knowing they are gonna lose, often
try to cheese-rush. Then, why do the progamers bother to do their best in those games?
And if the audience really wanted the best games, they can just watch OSL or MSL.

Of course they did wrong things, but i am not sure if this is completely their fault though.

il0seonpurpose

Korea (South)5638 Posts

October 22 2007 03:05 GMT

#211

CRAZY, thats so messed up and disapointing, even if they won the other games fair and square, its not fair for audience

And correct me if I'm wrong but I think it was a superfight and hwasin could not control his mm force worth crap, it was sad and I was thinking how he beat savior. commentators were like, yes this game is hard to micro but its been out for 10 years and he still cant do it any good.

naventus

United States1337 Posts

October 22 2007 03:13 GMT

#212

Where do you think that prize money comes from?

Revenue from ads and fans coming to watch. Fans and ads won't pay for cheaters as the WC3 controversy showed.

Fobbish

Korea (South)1071 Posts

October 22 2007 03:14 GMT

#213

right now korean community is arguing themselve whether you can whisper in ixp or udp, some ppl say you can, some say cant.

Jyvblamo

Canada13788 Posts

October 22 2007 03:17 GMT

#214

I'm pretty damn sure that you can.

Highways

Australia6106 Posts

October 22 2007 03:19 GMT

#215

first stork now this

whats up with match fixing these days??

tennis is having the same problem too

IdrA

United States11541 Posts

October 22 2007 03:20 GMT

#216

you can. tell them to go on hamachi and try it, its the same thing.

XellOs_PlutO

Korea (South)166 Posts

October 22 2007 03:22 GMT

#217

On October 22 2007 12:01 HnR)Insane wrote:

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You have a point. This manipulation only appeals to the public as if Hwasin still got the IEST title and managed to show his steady performance despite his deadly schedule last week. I guess STX Soul thought it is better off for Hwasin to win IEST even by fixing than losing both MSL and IEST. Volunteering for 30games in 3days and losing all might seem to harsh for the ace of the team.