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So I'm not good at making threads, banners, or any of that good stuff, but figured there should be a thread made on this, so here we go. So as it happens, we were hanging out in Eonzerg's twitch channel earlier today, and since he was offracing as Protoss, naturally the mood became very banterous -- and whilst Eonzerg seemed stuck in the 1850s as Protoss, he proclaimed that Protoss is easy, and he would be able to make S in a week.
So à la Rus_brain we made up a mini-challange: reach 2300 (not sure if 2300 was accepted, or just S rank, to be honest) in a week as Protoss, stream it, and if successful, we sponsor it.
Now, I think we should probably get some sort of a holdings account set up by a trusted community member (any volunteers?) for the payoff, to which people could chip in some more, if they are interested in sponsoring some quality offrace laddering. I think this should be great fun!
Twitch VOD: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/693517656
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Although protoss is generally considered appropriate race for people who tend to solve things using head-butting, I still don't feel like it's enough for Eon to reach S rank in a week.
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On July 29 2020 07:19 radley wrote: Although protoss is generally considered appropriate race for people who tend to solve things using head-butting, I still don't feel like it's enough for Eon to reach S rank in a week.
and t is for high iq players such as yourself? type of player who makes 10 blind turrets vs hydra openers? :D
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Exactly, that's also why you play terran on scrub level.
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I don't see why eon Can't get to S level with Toss in a week. Toss isn't that hard to play at a higher level.He also play 10+ hours a day.
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Uhh man, I will go ahead and say that the misconception that Protoss is the easiest race is just absolutely ridiculous. Protoss is the easiest / "Easier" race played at lower levels, at the higher levels I beg to differ that Protoss is actually quite difficult, PvZ being one of the most if not the most difficult matchup in the game to master. PvP is a really big toss up a lot of the time and can be a pain to play, and PvT can be extremely difficult at a higher level as well.
#PROTOSSLIVESMATTER
EDIT : On Topic, I don't think Eon will be able to hit S rank in a week with Protoss, I will be interested to see his play though for sure!
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Any good player can get S with any race, it's as simple as that (especially if we're talking about non VPN). Hitting S is mechanics related, anyone who tells you otherwise doesn't know shit about the game. You just need to find 1 good catch all b.o per mu, it's not a very complicated process. It depends on whether or not you want to invest the time and learn the b.os/responses to various scenarios.
S is nothing unless we're talking about VPN + hitting S in a week w/ an offrace.. then yea that would be challenging/unlikely, i dunno the specifics of the challenge.
A potato like radley who's never sniffed S rank (even on an inflated ladder) should just zip it. You don't have the right to trash talk, know your place. How long have you been playing for.. over 10 years?
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Russian Federation1888 Posts
Matcherino may be your trust account. Or I can retain trust money myself if you want.
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Ive seen eon protoss a bit, im pretty sure he cant reach s rank in a week but lets see
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you can do it man, good luck!
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On July 29 2020 10:52 TT1 wrote:Any good player can get S with any race, it's as simple as that (especially if we're talking about non VPN). Hitting S is mechanics related, anyone who tells you otherwise doesn't know shit about the game. You just need to find 1 good catch all b.o per mu, it's not a very complicated process. It depends on whether or not you want to invest the time and learn the b.os/responses to various scenarios. S is nothing unless we're talking about VPN + hitting S in a week w/ an offrace.. then yea that would be challenging/unlikely, i dunno the specifics of the challenge. A potato like radley who's never sniffed S rank (even on an inflated ladder) should just zip it. You don't have the right to trash talk, know your place. How long have you been playing for.. over 10 years?
Lets see you put your money where your mouth is and hit S rank with your offraces >
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Agreed with TT1. For someone who can often hit 2500, hitting 2300 with any race should not be difficult.
As for difficulty of hitting S rank as protoss in particular, well, IMO it is less about the race and more about the strategies being used. Doing it with easy-to-use hard-to-stop aggressive openers is going to be easier, and each race has those for any matchup.
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SHOTS FIRED!
Also I believe!
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Nice challange to try S rank with the weakest race... gogogo glgl
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This should be interesting..
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I watch couple of games with eon protoss and he is far away from S rank.
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Oh I dont think this deserve a thread. Im having fun playing protoss atm and when fazek proposed to make S rank in a week I took it with humour.But why not give a try? in the end it will give more streams. a regular protoss stream for 7 days and many laughs with my mistakes :d and the most important.now when someone will ask.Why are u playing protoss? I have a good answer.
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Russian Federation139 Posts
If eon will reach the goal (dont sure if its 2300 accepted or just S - which means approx. 2222) im gonna add my 50$ to this pool
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Russian Federation344 Posts
its possible if there will be no 2200+ players
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You guys know the reason why Protoss is the weak race? Coze it's the only race you could beat CPU with when you started playing starcraft
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Yeah i saw Jose bragging about it on stream, then losing vs a 18500 toss and had a good laugh.
#Protosslivesmatter.
I have had enough of this ““anyone can reach high rank with p because its easy race bullshit“.
If proper rules are set up and someone responsible accounts the money i pledge 10 Euro if Eon makes S rank in a week! Im willing to make a transfer to a trustworthy matcherino as soon as we have the proof by end of next Wednesday next week!
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I think Eon reaching S in a week with protoss is definitely possible, just not very likely. Much more possible if he plays mostly foreigners. The mechanics and macro of protoss should come easily to him but the unit control and timings will be a bit harder to master. There's plenty of "good" protoss players who still cant micro for shit.
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ill put in 50$
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Ohh...TT1 is right, I didn't think about geographical location taking a part in hitting S lol. Nice Scarlett is backing this, now it's getting serious.
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thedeadhaji
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On July 29 2020 10:51 TelecoM wrote: PvP is a really big toss up
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I think Terran's can pick up Protoss a lot easier than zerg's can. Back when I was C+ max rank on iccup as Terran I managed to hit my rank with Protoss after about a month of laddering and studying pro vods. I think Zerg would struggle with picking up either Terran or Protoss because the macro is so massively different.
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scarlett 2300 as protoss ezpz you see
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On July 30 2020 08:03 puppykiller wrote: I think Terran's can pick up Protoss a lot easier than zerg's can. Back when I was C+ max rank on iccup as Terran I managed to hit my rank with Protoss after about a month of laddering and studying pro vods. I think Zerg would struggle with picking up either Terran or Protoss because the macro is so massively different. zerg usually pick up tvz rather easily, other than that I agree with you
also I doubt any 2100-2200 protoss can get anywhere close to that with T, I doubt they'd even break 2000
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Easy money for Eon, he's going to do it in a week for sure =]
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On July 30 2020 09:42 LG)Sabbath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2020 08:03 puppykiller wrote: I think Terran's can pick up Protoss a lot easier than zerg's can. Back when I was C+ max rank on iccup as Terran I managed to hit my rank with Protoss after about a month of laddering and studying pro vods. I think Zerg would struggle with picking up either Terran or Protoss because the macro is so massively different. zerg usually pick up tvz rather easily, other than that I agree with you also I doubt any 2100-2200 protoss can get anywhere close to that with T, I doubt they'd even break 2000 i agree with this. tho i have never been a 2100-2200 protoss, the skillset required is much different. as a toss lower than that, i would never want to deal with 2h muta every single tvz and manage stim and marines going up and down a ramp every 10 seconds
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1 week? no way 1 month, prolly 3 months, 100%
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What is the current MMR eon?
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B Rank he had last time i checked
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lol i can get S rank with any race in 1 week free money for eon
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This is the “I can get this rank with this race but I don’t wanna” thread
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On July 30 2020 17:42 TelecoM wrote: What is the current MMR eon?
1940 right now.
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TT1 please, you don't even understand what I wanted to say, and you are calling me potato. Head-butting was referring to aggresive, cheesy playstyle, not being noob. Which suits style eon has been playing for years as zerg. Protoss has many options to play like that on every level, GL playing like that as a terran on A rank and above level. There you have to stick to good mechanics and timing attacks. That's because only viable cheesy aggresion you can make is 2 fact vs protoss or 2 rax mm / some 1 base tech vs zerg. Both are easily defendable nowadays by standard eco openings, when opponent has decent micro or/and understanding of game.
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On July 30 2020 09:42 LG)Sabbath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2020 08:03 puppykiller wrote: I think Terran's can pick up Protoss a lot easier than zerg's can. Back when I was C+ max rank on iccup as Terran I managed to hit my rank with Protoss after about a month of laddering and studying pro vods. I think Zerg would struggle with picking up either Terran or Protoss because the macro is so massively different. zerg usually pick up tvz rather easily, other than that I agree with you also I doubt any 2100-2200 protoss can get anywhere close to that with T, I doubt they'd even break 2000
To be honest all the Zergs I know are terrible at offrace TvZ. They play way too campy and can't maintain constant aggression in the late game. They also suck at macroing low build time marines and are used to being able to rely on larva build up/ keyboard commands for macro during battles, not to mention the fact that many just rely on ultralisks in the late game to spend their extra money. TvZ bio is the most punishing apm intensive macro in the game. Zerg macro is probably the least. In order to beat a decent Zerg you have to be incredibly aggressive, very fast and very tactical to cause them to make a mistake that you can capitalize on and ride into a victory. The better the zerg the harder this becomes. The zergs I know who offrace TvZ can only beat zergs who get distracted by the tiniest amounts of pressure and subsequently don't make enough sunkens in the midgame or dont place scourge to intercept dropships.
That being said I know several zerg who are very good at PvT. Standard PvT has a very similar mindset to Zerg.
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No doubt Eon will hit S with protoss in a week. It is easier to go from 1800 to 2200 compared to 2200 to 2300. The gap should not be that big for him because he has good knowledge of the game and excellent technics/macro/micro. I predict he achieve it at the 6th day. Also we all know that protoss is the easy race so it should be a formality >
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On July 31 2020 08:42 Poly_Optimize wrote:No doubt Eon will hit S with protoss in a week. It is easier to go from 1800 to 2200 compared to 2200 to 2300. The gap should not be that big for him because he has good knowledge of the game and excellent technics/macro/micro. I predict he achieve it at the 6th day. Also we all know that protoss is the easy race so it should be a formality > if you really think that you haven't been watching
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agree with TT1 actually S offrace 1 week is not big challenge (for eon) but still a challenge. I think eon will get the 2300 rank.
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i need an eonzerg vs scarlett showmatch. not eontoss pls. will put up cashes
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It might be me, not that im v good anyway, but i feel like some ppl in this thread dont fully realize how hard is to offrace at high level.
RIP Testie
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On July 30 2020 09:42 LG)Sabbath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2020 08:03 puppykiller wrote: I think Terran's can pick up Protoss a lot easier than zerg's can. Back when I was C+ max rank on iccup as Terran I managed to hit my rank with Protoss after about a month of laddering and studying pro vods. I think Zerg would struggle with picking up either Terran or Protoss because the macro is so massively different. zerg usually pick up tvz rather easily, other than that I agree with you also I doubt any 2100-2200 protoss can get anywhere close to that with T, I doubt they'd even break 2000
I'm 2100-2200 protoss and got 2000 terran in a few weeks of playing but yes terran mega hard protoss super ez
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Hello friends, I too play from Europe, and as such I understand that our region is inflated mmr-wise (not as much as SA, but it is still significant). However, when you're in an inflated mmr-region and then on top of that decide to lie about your skill level to claim some sort of expertise on an area, it makes you look really bad. I feel obligated to keep your egos in check here, they appear to be a bit out of control. Furthermore, you should stop being bm on the ladder, no one cares about your whining.
On July 31 2020 06:09 radley wrote: TT1 please, you don't even understand what I wanted to say, and you are calling me potato. Head-butting was referring to aggresive, cheesy playstyle, not being noob. Which suits style eon has been playing for years as zerg. Protoss has many options to play like that on every level, GL playing like that as a terran on A rank and above level. There you have to stick to good mechanics and timing attacks. That's because only viable cheesy aggresion you can make is 2 fact vs protoss or 2 rax mm / some 1 base tech vs zerg. Both are easily defendable nowadays by standard eco openings, when opponent has decent micro or/and understanding of game.
On July 31 2020 17:55 A.Alm wrote: I'm 2100-2200 protoss and got 2000 terran in a few weeks of playing but yes terran mega hard protoss super ez
On July 30 2020 19:52 KameZerg wrote: lol i can get S rank with any race in 1 week free money for eon
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LOL you know i auto leave vs koreans and most low ranks? Who wants to play tr8-12 and games that are boring
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On July 31 2020 19:13 Avi-Love wrote:Hello friends, I too play from Europe, and as such I understand that our region is inflated mmr-wise (not as much as SA, but it is still significant). However, when you're in an inflated mmr-region and then on top of that decide to lie about your skill level to claim some sort of expertise on an area, it makes you look really bad. I feel obligated to keep your egos in check here, they appear to be a bit out of control. Furthermore, you should stop being bm on the ladder, no one cares about your whining. Show nested quote +On July 31 2020 06:09 radley wrote: TT1 please, you don't even understand what I wanted to say, and you are calling me potato. Head-butting was referring to aggresive, cheesy playstyle, not being noob. Which suits style eon has been playing for years as zerg. Protoss has many options to play like that on every level, GL playing like that as a terran on A rank and above level. There you have to stick to good mechanics and timing attacks. That's because only viable cheesy aggresion you can make is 2 fact vs protoss or 2 rax mm / some 1 base tech vs zerg. Both are easily defendable nowadays by standard eco openings, when opponent has decent micro or/and understanding of game. Show nested quote +On July 31 2020 17:55 A.Alm wrote: I'm 2100-2200 protoss and got 2000 terran in a few weeks of playing but yes terran mega hard protoss super ez Show nested quote +On July 30 2020 19:52 KameZerg wrote: lol i can get S rank with any race in 1 week free money for eon
ROFL now this is the best kind of post!
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On July 31 2020 19:53 KameZerg wrote: LOL you know i auto leave vs koreans and most low ranks? Who wants to play tr8-12 and games that are boring I see that you have decided to delete your "W_Y_WERE_G" account out of shame, and presumably because it'll show you leaving 0 games this season and being hardstuck at ~2050 as per my screenshot. I'm glad you felt embarrassed enough to try and delete the evidence after making a bullshit excuse, but unfortunately I see right through it, and I am sure the majority of the people reading this will as well.
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MaTRiX[SiN]
Sweden1282 Posts
It's surprising to see so many people think it's easy to get S rank when in fact very few foreigners are able to consistently hit S rank. Most of the players who compete in NASL/BSL/etc sit around 2000-2100 on ladder.
I think if eon can even hit A rank in one week that's fairly impressive.
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So many offrace gosus yet so few random players. Avi is a hero for these callouts!
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On July 31 2020 19:13 Avi-Love wrote:Hello friends, I too play from Europe, and as such I understand that our region is inflated mmr-wise (not as much as SA, but it is still significant). However, when you're in an inflated mmr-region and then on top of that decide to lie about your skill level to claim some sort of expertise on an area, it makes you look really bad. I feel obligated to keep your egos in check here, they appear to be a bit out of control. Furthermore, you should stop being bm on the ladder, no one cares about your whining. Show nested quote +On July 31 2020 06:09 radley wrote: TT1 please, you don't even understand what I wanted to say, and you are calling me potato. Head-butting was referring to aggresive, cheesy playstyle, not being noob. Which suits style eon has been playing for years as zerg. Protoss has many options to play like that on every level, GL playing like that as a terran on A rank and above level. There you have to stick to good mechanics and timing attacks. That's because only viable cheesy aggresion you can make is 2 fact vs protoss or 2 rax mm / some 1 base tech vs zerg. Both are easily defendable nowadays by standard eco openings, when opponent has decent micro or/and understanding of game. Show nested quote +On July 31 2020 17:55 A.Alm wrote: I'm 2100-2200 protoss and got 2000 terran in a few weeks of playing but yes terran mega hard protoss super ez Show nested quote +On July 30 2020 19:52 KameZerg wrote: lol i can get S rank with any race in 1 week free money for eon
ROFLMAO the BM was just mild up to this point, but now we are hopefully approaching the proper amount of entertainment in this thread rapidly. Allow me to grab my and wait for the good things to come! + Show Spoiler +yes im just a 1600ish noobshit toss b4 anybody asks.
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Northern Ireland20729 Posts
As someone who lacks the knowledge and the brain to even attempt playing ranked BW this is still a gloriously entertaining thread
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Avi is an idiot for that callouts. Classic stereotype of dumb player judging skills on ladder games and mmr level. Not to mention several accusations of playing on maphack, very useful talent toi have, really.
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What is a better judge of skill than mmr and ladder games?
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On July 31 2020 23:31 radley wrote: Avi is an idiot for that callouts. Classic stereotype of dumb player judging skills on ladder games and mmr level. Not to mention several accusations of playing on maphack, very useful talent toi have, really. I've never maphacked in my life, if you have any proof of me maphacking, or even proof of these so called "accusations" anywhere, I'd love to see it? Unlike you, I simply post irrefutable evidence instead of making wild and baseless accusations.
You, however, have consistently shown the entire world how bad you are at the game, whether it's the HUNDREDS of games on the ladder every single season, or your critically poor performances in clan and individual leagues. You should not comment on anything that has to do with skill or balance, you shouldn't talk about A level or "above", you're hardstuck at B rank. Understand that being B rank is absolutely fine, however you have continuously made it your mission to comment on things that are simply way above your level of understanding and I took this opportunity to call you out on it.
Let me guess, all your hundreds of ladder games over 2+ years were all just "prank" games?
Being ranked 96th in the STPL with a sub 50% win rate, also "prank" games?
Should I also post a link to your best individual league results, which was getting 0-5'd by Cadenzie in BSL Choboleague?
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very insightful post, ty for the data avi
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On July 31 2020 17:55 A.Alm wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2020 09:42 LG)Sabbath wrote:On July 30 2020 08:03 puppykiller wrote: I think Terran's can pick up Protoss a lot easier than zerg's can. Back when I was C+ max rank on iccup as Terran I managed to hit my rank with Protoss after about a month of laddering and studying pro vods. I think Zerg would struggle with picking up either Terran or Protoss because the macro is so massively different. zerg usually pick up tvz rather easily, other than that I agree with you also I doubt any 2100-2200 protoss can get anywhere close to that with T, I doubt they'd even break 2000 I'm 2100-2200 protoss and got 2000 terran in a few weeks of playing but yes terran mega hard protoss super ez if that's true, even if it's not in 1 week it's fairly impressive, doubt most protoss of your mmr level can do it
actually even eon is having trouble breaking 2000 so far with P and he's like 2300+ with Z?
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Avi, I really like how you waste your precious time on me, whereas I'm not even talking about me, but other players, like Kame for example, who is relatively good and probably wins with you most times. If you still want to talk about me, then yes, I'm bad player on ladder, as well as I'm bad on tournaments. But that's because I did never copy paste specific builds from others. I play game for fun, and copy pasting does not provide it for me. I don't care about winnings, I have job I like and peacefull life apart from playing game. So stop wasting your time and searching for clappers like TT1.
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So I take it you have absolutely no evidence of your claims that I am a maphacker, it was just a wild accusation that you decided to spew out in a public forum because your frail ego couldn't handle me posting your ladder stats? That is okay, I won't expect an apology despite how libelous it was. I would, however, recommend counting to ten the next time someone rustles your jimmies. Furthermore, I would absolutely encourage you to stop speculating on any matter related to bw, your track record thus far has been atrocious, and whether "kame wins with you" or not is completely irrelevant to the points I have been making throughout this thread-- however, I am thankful that you're finally honest about your own lack of ability. Evidently though, reading comprehension is not your strong suit, as my original post had a quote from you wherein you decide to lecture other people on the difficulties of playing terran at "A rank and above" -- a topic you're thoroughly unqualified to discuss as is evidenced by my posts.
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I wonder if there's a group of people on earth with a higher ratio of ego to skill than foreign broodwar players
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Ehh? Always felt like Kame is rather strong, don't think those screenshots do him justice.
On topic, hitting some 200 mmr below your main's with an off race on pure mechanics doesn't seem unreasonable, for any race. Although a week may not be enough indeed, and it should depend on the individual and their familiarity with other matchups.
That and there's plenty ways of maximizing your ladder mmr outside of gameplay, spx's comment is on point.
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I'm a zerg player. To me, protoss is an easy 1a2a3a4a5a6a race. I'm sorry. Anyone with fast hands has potential to get S rank. Kwark_UK, slow as they come and still manages A...
I'm not shitting on Bonyth or Dewalt but I hit 9-0 S rank with Protoss last year. Few Kors in the match list.
Let's be honest. Protoss easiest race by far. I think EON can do it!
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anddddd im done yep done im doneee
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Jira your Zerg in 2020 is hard stuck at 2000, why would you ever post a screenshot of a lucky ladder streak you went on as protoss in 2019, when ladder was slightly more inflated. Especially when the sample pool of games was under 10, you likely had opponents auto leave cause of latency, giving you free points and you likely deleted 50 accounts before this because your record sucked like you always do
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United States40776 Posts
Protoss has a lower mechanical floor to it (gateways standard for all matchups, no mines/siege/stims/burrow/consume, can spam pylons for supply with 1 probe) but the mechanics are just a barrier to entry. This is a strategy game, having a sense of when to push, when to expand, and when to be fearful is what wins you the games assuming you're capable of doing the bare minimum mechanics to have units in the first place.
I have absolutely no doubts that anyone who is capable of managing a Terran or Zerg economy/base/army can do it with Protoss but that won't win you games, it just gives you a chance to win them with strategy. Whether Eon has a sense of the timings is what'll matter here. I have confidence that he'll pick them up though, he watches a lot of games and he's very good.
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so much negativity in the last page and half... anyway currently Eon sits at 1950 with P. GL!
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If anyone says something about you and they are in the general mmr vicinity do a GRUDGE MATCH!
(if it is not a mirror u get bonus points)
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On July 31 2020 19:13 Avi-Love wrote:Hello friends, I too play from Europe, and as such I understand that our region is inflated mmr-wise (not as much as SA, but it is still significant). However, when you're in an inflated mmr-region and then on top of that decide to lie about your skill level to claim some sort of expertise on an area, it makes you look really bad. I feel obligated to keep your egos in check here, they appear to be a bit out of control. Furthermore, you should stop being bm on the ladder, no one cares about your whining. Show nested quote +On July 31 2020 06:09 radley wrote: TT1 please, you don't even understand what I wanted to say, and you are calling me potato. Head-butting was referring to aggresive, cheesy playstyle, not being noob. Which suits style eon has been playing for years as zerg. Protoss has many options to play like that on every level, GL playing like that as a terran on A rank and above level. There you have to stick to good mechanics and timing attacks. That's because only viable cheesy aggresion you can make is 2 fact vs protoss or 2 rax mm / some 1 base tech vs zerg. Both are easily defendable nowadays by standard eco openings, when opponent has decent micro or/and understanding of game. Show nested quote +On July 31 2020 17:55 A.Alm wrote: I'm 2100-2200 protoss and got 2000 terran in a few weeks of playing but yes terran mega hard protoss super ez Show nested quote +On July 30 2020 19:52 KameZerg wrote: lol i can get S rank with any race in 1 week free money for eon
I was 2105 (iRk-Aalm, 158 games, 60% win ratio) with P and 1960 (iRk-AalmT, 68 games, 57% win ratio) with T at the END of last season. This does not mean my T never was at 2000 pts nor that my P was never close 2200 now does it?
On August 01 2020 00:32 LG)Sabbath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2020 17:55 A.Alm wrote:On July 30 2020 09:42 LG)Sabbath wrote:On July 30 2020 08:03 puppykiller wrote: I think Terran's can pick up Protoss a lot easier than zerg's can. Back when I was C+ max rank on iccup as Terran I managed to hit my rank with Protoss after about a month of laddering and studying pro vods. I think Zerg would struggle with picking up either Terran or Protoss because the macro is so massively different. zerg usually pick up tvz rather easily, other than that I agree with you also I doubt any 2100-2200 protoss can get anywhere close to that with T, I doubt they'd even break 2000 I'm 2100-2200 protoss and got 2000 terran in a few weeks of playing but yes terran mega hard protoss super ez if that's true, even if it's not in 1 week it's fairly impressive, doubt most protoss of your mmr level can do it actually even eon is having trouble breaking 2000 so far with P and he's like 2300+ with Z?
Thanks. I think your play-style determines a lot which race you subjectively think is easier. I think my play-style suites T more than P, but i have so many years experience as P and switching race entirely is a lot of job and i'm getting old haha.
Anyways, it will be interesting to follow your progress eonzerg, GL!
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So because you managed to get a lucky win streak to a career high 2105 in a BSL inflated season on Europe, you now consider yourself a 2100-2200 player? While being stuck at 2050 this season? A legitimate 2100-2200 player would be averaging 2150+, if not closer to 2200 -- which is far from where you're currently located, or ever have been located.
What I really want to know is why on earth are foreigners so delusional, and why do they have such inflated egos? Why do you need to lie about your MMR on a forum for brownie points? Just be honest about your skills, it's okay to have an opinion even if you're not S rank -- just don't try to add fake achievements to your bw resume while doing it.
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Haha okay okay, i'm a 2050 (?) mmr protoss that managed to reach 1950 (?) mmr as terran within a season using legit builds which makes my "race swich" even more impressive. I want to thank you for boosting my ego <3
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I usually eat my eggs over easy but yeah I'll scramble them sometimes when I break the yolk by mistake. Toss in some spring onions, butter, and there ya go: breakfast salvaged.
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On August 01 2020 03:26 .gypsy wrote: I usually eat my eggs over easy but yeah I'll scramble them sometimes when I break the yolk by mistake. Toss in some spring onions, butter, and there ya go: breakfast salvaged.
Over easy wins by far. For me, if it breaks, I still keep it over easy, would prefer the runny yolk.
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United States40776 Posts
On August 01 2020 03:06 Avi-Love wrote: So because you managed to get a lucky win streak to a career high 2105 in a BSL inflated season on Europe, you now consider yourself a 2100-2200 player? While being stuck at 2050 this season? A legitimate 2100-2200 player would be averaging 2150+, if not closer to 2200 -- which is far from where you're currently located, or ever have been located.
What I really want to know is why on earth are foreigners so delusional, and why do they have such inflated egos? Why do you need to lie about your MMR on a forum for brownie points? Just be honest about your skills, it's okay to have an opinion even if you're not S rank -- just don't try to add fake achievements to your bw resume while doing it. In fairness 300ish MMR swings aren't unreasonable. On a good day I do okay at 2150 but when I'm so sleep deprived I can barely function (new baby keeps me up) I'm losing games with 3k bank at 1850. Just how bw goes sometimes.
Also are you active again? We should play like we did in the early 2000s MSN days.
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Avi you need to let it go, or your face would grow old pretty soon, out of all this anger you spend on the computer game. Would be shame, because you have pretty and handsome face.
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Funniest moment on todays stream:
Eontoss: dou you have burrow or just stream cheating? Oya [Zerg]: stream cheating+ zerg easy race. Protoss is hard, eh?
ROFLMAO, I nearly pissed my pants, thx oya
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On August 01 2020 03:36 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 03:06 Avi-Love wrote: So because you managed to get a lucky win streak to a career high 2105 in a BSL inflated season on Europe, you now consider yourself a 2100-2200 player? While being stuck at 2050 this season? A legitimate 2100-2200 player would be averaging 2150+, if not closer to 2200 -- which is far from where you're currently located, or ever have been located.
What I really want to know is why on earth are foreigners so delusional, and why do they have such inflated egos? Why do you need to lie about your MMR on a forum for brownie points? Just be honest about your skills, it's okay to have an opinion even if you're not S rank -- just don't try to add fake achievements to your bw resume while doing it. In fairness 300ish MMR swings aren't unreasonable. On a good day I do okay at 2150 but when I'm so sleep deprived I can barely function (new baby keeps me up) I'm losing games with 3k bank at 1850. Just how bw goes sometimes. Also are you active again? We should play like we did in the early 2000s MSN days.
No worries KwarK!!! I still love you after the game vs Artosis! I like to watch it over and over again !!!!
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haha Avi thank you for your continued contributions to this thread. Made my day.
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On August 01 2020 03:56 Cele wrote:Funniest moment on todays stream: Eontoss: dou you have burrow or just stream cheating? Oya [Zerg]: stream cheating+ zerg easy race. Protoss is hard, eh? ROFLMAO, I nearly pissed my pants, thx oya Eon was NOT happy about this game. Luckily now he's mastered the art of the dragoon rally in PvP so he's wrecking face
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oya the one who always cheeses tvp? 2gate center guy is a gimmick a joke
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On August 01 2020 05:21 onlystar wrote: oya the one who always cheeses tvp? 2gate center guy is a gimmick a joke That'd be true a year ago, oya is legit good now
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On August 01 2020 06:09 Soulforged wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 05:21 onlystar wrote: oya the one who always cheeses tvp? 2gate center guy is a gimmick a joke That'd be true a year ago, oya is legit good now
sadly not the case still goes for cheese nonstop looks more like a B rank toss PvTing
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I'm a B terran and I'm easily convinced I can get S on Protoss in 3 hours.
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my aunt who doesnt play starcraft but enjoys gardening could get S rank with protoss in less than 2 weeks
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United Kingdom12010 Posts
I don't even play the game anymore and I could probably get S rank within a few games honestly.
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was gold up until a few posts up
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TT1 u also hacked and cried during your skin dick years so u fuckup
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Northern Ireland20729 Posts
‘Skin dick years’? :S
Is this some BW lingo I’m not privy to?
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On August 01 2020 09:09 Wombat_NI wrote: ‘Skin dick years’? :S
Is this some BW lingo I’m not privy to?
i think he means getting circumcised during/after ur teen years.. i got circumcised at birth tho
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Northern Ireland20729 Posts
On August 01 2020 09:12 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2020 09:09 Wombat_NI wrote: ‘Skin dick years’? :S
Is this some BW lingo I’m not privy to? i think he means getting circumcised during/after ur teen years.. i got circumcised at birth tho Cheers for the info brah. TIL one cant really shine at BW until one’s shameful foreskin is shedded.
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I'm a C level terran player which means I could easily beat Flash if I played protoss and could probably end world hunger if I played sc2. That's just how good I am atm.
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On August 01 2020 13:19 XenOsky wrote: offrace only tour.
go?
YES, PLEASE! AND a bucket of popcorn with it... You know what? Make that 2 buckets!
Completely unrelated:
TT1 Profile Blog PM Joined December 2008 Canada9412 Posts Last Edited: 2020-08-01 03:12:56 7 hours ago #94 On August 01 2020 09:09 Wombat_NI wrote: ‘Skin dick years’? :S
Is this some BW lingo I’m not privy to?
i think he means getting circumcised during/after ur teen years.. i got circumcised at birth tho
SAD!
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On August 01 2020 07:50 castleeMg wrote: my aunt who doesnt play starcraft but enjoys gardening could get S rank with protoss in less than 2 weeks
I could get S rank not even playing the game so please...
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Avilove is killing me, he is forcing me to play tr8 koreans!
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On August 01 2020 22:42 KameZerg wrote: Avilove is killing me, he is forcing me to play tr8 koreans!
Else it doesnt count!
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Kwark only good with 100 apm if he plays toss, ask him to play other race to hit 2k mmr and he will ban you and will say, lululul I'm s rank toss.
Toss is the easiest race.
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Avi is right, Radley so sore now to tell lies bout maphacking cause his ego crushed a little bit
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On August 02 2020 17:25 1-Larry wrote: Kwark only good with 100 apm if he plays toss, ask him to play other race to hit 2k mmr and he will ban you and will say, lululul I'm s rank toss.
Toss is the easiest race.
yeah and savior was best for years with 250 apm while players with 400+ apm could'nt take a game off him coz it's all about them clicks bout them clicks no game sense
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On August 02 2020 17:27 1-Larry wrote: Avi is right, Radley so sore now to tell lies bout maphacking cause his ego crushed a little bit
u really made a smurf account just to write that shit?
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On August 02 2020 19:05 XenOsky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2020 17:27 1-Larry wrote: Avi is right, Radley so sore now to tell lies bout maphacking cause his ego crushed a little bit u really made a smurf account just to write that shit?
It's ok, I made even A rank, playing 'meta-boring' stuff and winning with 5 protosses in a row, so I can get back to support my statement in #2. Although it's total bullshit, because u don't have to be good in game, to understand such easy things. The fact is, him and TT1 trashed this thread with offtopic talk, because I wrote 1 sentence not meaning to offend anyone. They didn't catch the meaning of it, but probably I was right. That's because most times I check on eon's stream I see some kind of rush (meaning head-butting) and he was still under 2k mmr. Generally I categorized both of them amongst Julia. Thus no wonder they stalk me, because probably they are friends (people like them like to clapp for each others, cause they need support). Of course at the end they will tell you they are joking / trolling but it's not good. Especially when they use someone's others realnames to do so, i.e. Avi pretending to be Cadenzie on ladder. I hope it was only on ladder. Btw. I should consider making my own post in harassment/abuse thread because such stalking they do on every game related media (discord, bn, tl forum) is considered harassment too.
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Russian Federation1888 Posts
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Hi jacking this thread to let everybody know that I’m doing the 2 year terran to A rank challenge. I’m currently 18 months in and at 1850 mmr. Wish me luck in these final 6 months.
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On August 02 2020 21:22 radley wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2020 19:05 XenOsky wrote:On August 02 2020 17:27 1-Larry wrote: Avi is right, Radley so sore now to tell lies bout maphacking cause his ego crushed a little bit u really made a smurf account just to write that shit? It's ok, I made even A rank, playing 'meta-boring' stuff and winning with 5 protosses in a row, so I can get back to support my statement in #2. Although it's total bullshit, because u don't have to be good in game, to understand such easy things. The fact is, him and TT1 trashed this thread with offtopic talk, because I wrote 1 sentence not meaning to offend anyone. They didn't catch the meaning of it, but probably I was right. That's because most times I check on eon's stream I see some kind of rush (meaning head-butting) and he was still under 2k mmr. Generally I categorized both of them amongst Julia. Thus no wonder they stalk me, because probably they are friends (people like them like to clapp for each others, cause they need support). Of course at the end they will tell you they are joking / trolling but it's not good. Especially when they use someone's others realnames to do so, i.e. Avi pretending to be Cadenzie on ladder. I hope it was only on ladder. Btw. I should consider making my own post in harassment/abuse thread because such stalking they do on every game related media (discord, bn, tl forum) is considered harassment too.
dude you're still here? maybe you should take your own advice?????
On August 01 2020 01:12 radley wrote: Avi, I really like how you waste your precious time on me, whereas I'm not even talking about me, but other players, like Kame for example, who is relatively good and probably wins with you most times. If you still want to talk about me, then yes, I'm bad player on ladder, as well as I'm bad on tournaments. But that's because I did never copy paste specific builds from others. I play game for fun, and copy pasting does not provide it for me. I don't care about winnings, I have job I like and peacefull life apart from playing game. So stop wasting your time and searching for clappers like TT1.
On August 01 2020 03:39 radley wrote: Avi you need to let it go, or your face would grow old pretty soon, out of all this anger you spend on the computer game. Would be shame, because you have pretty and handsome face.
go out and breathe a little, then come back and nuke rush c rankers
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I think it’s important to remember that talks about skill have always been a part of gaming, and to an earlier degree in sports. People have been arguing about it since ancient times. To define skill, talent is a somewhat different system than to simply look at tournament results, ladder mmr, and matches against similarly ranked opponents. As we are human beings skills and abilities rise and fall hand in hand with personal development, life-style, Age, and other personal factors.
The very nature of competition implies a scenario where two opponents are matched at the same level, same personal situation, which is comparable to Archieving a draw in broodwar.
The wise warrior compares himself to himself, for every battle fought is an outward manifestation of a battle and a challange to overcome in the depths of yourself. You can see this kind of behavior across the Numerically top archievers in any sport. To them, it doesn t matter who they are playing against, but rather what game they are playing against, and they then bring that battle to themselves and their team/squad where applies, and which part of themselves they are currently engaged in conquering and overcoming. The person who is winning every battle is always thinking of how to improve their game, not how to beat their opponent.
In the end, it’s not about winning, but playing Your best, and knowing what you want from what you are doing. Awarness is key, time is a tool, and skill is how you are playing compared to the last game you played.
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Remember when Eon was actually doing this challenge? This thread has made it seem like this challenge was was ages ago when really it is still happening.
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On August 03 2020 11:42 Brainojack wrote: Remember when Eon was actually doing this challenge? This thread has made it seem like this challenge was was ages ago when really it is still happening. I think we've all realized there's 0 chance of him touching S and using the thread as an opportunity to trash talk foreigners is a way better use of TL's server space.
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TLADT24917 Posts
On August 03 2020 11:42 Brainojack wrote: Remember when Eon was actually doing this challenge? This thread has made it seem like this challenge was was ages ago when really it is still happening. If he started on the 28th, then he's pretty close to a week now and afaik, he's only ~1900 MMR atm (checked stream). He's extremely unlikely to make it with the amount of time left so challenge failed it seems, not that it was gonna happen anyways.
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He's going to need some extensive Bonyth training and a 48 hour ladder stream after if he wants to make it. I am looking forward to banning someone from his stream for a week though!
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On August 04 2020 03:38 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2020 11:42 Brainojack wrote: Remember when Eon was actually doing this challenge? This thread has made it seem like this challenge was was ages ago when really it is still happening. If he started on the 28th, then he's pretty close to a week now and afaik, he's only ~1900 MMR atm (checked stream). He's extremely unlikely to make it with the amount of time left so challenge failed it seems, not that it was gonna happen anyways.
He started on Thursday (30th), so he has 3 more days (including today)
I think the highest he got was like 2040 so far?
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I will play the village idiot and dare ask - what is S rank? How high mmr is that?
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S Rank starts at 2260 eon peak atm is 2060 from what i saw on his stream.
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United States40776 Posts
He just needs one good cheese build per map and matchup. This is ladder.
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Eon has to go back to zerg. Protoss is to hard for him
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On August 04 2020 04:18 EndingLife wrote: He's going to need some extensive Bonyth training and a 48 hour ladder stream after if he wants to make it. I am looking forward to banning someone from his stream for a week though!
He's not doing well and was back in the 1900 range when i watched him play yestetday. But i would not count him out just yet. I noticed he started to analyze his reps very methodical, which is good obv. if you wanna improve and he seems very determined to make it [ including ladder marathon at the end]. I think it would be good if je spents a few hours with a coach. His current understanding and raw mechanics are good enough for A, but not for S imho.
So despite me actually teasing him a lot in this thread ( which he deserves :p), im quite impressed so far.
€: Just checked on stream that current mmr is 1860. Thats a bad streak, i guess in part too because of the many stream snipes.
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On August 05 2020 01:02 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2020 04:18 EndingLife wrote: He's going to need some extensive Bonyth training and a 48 hour ladder stream after if he wants to make it. I am looking forward to banning someone from his stream for a week though! He's not doing well and was back in the 1900 range when i watched him play yestetday. But i would not count him out just yet. I noticed he started to analyze his reps very methodical, which is good obv. if you wanna improve and he seems very determined to make it [ including ladder marathon at the end]. I think it would be good if je spents a few hours with a coach. His current understanding and raw mechanics are good enough for A, but not for S imho. So despite me actually teasing him a lot in this thread ( which he deserves :p), im quite impressed so far. I figured he'd peak around 2100 mmr before he started the challenge. He has decent mechanics and decent micro/macro with protoss overall, but his build orders and timings are still a bit off. I think we all knew he'd do better with all-in builds than he would trying to analyze situations and adjust accordingly. At this pace I think he could realistically reach S within a month or two if he really wanted to. A coaching session with a CURRENT S rank protoss could speed things up drastically.
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On August 05 2020 01:31 EndingLife wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2020 01:02 Cele wrote:On August 04 2020 04:18 EndingLife wrote: He's going to need some extensive Bonyth training and a 48 hour ladder stream after if he wants to make it. I am looking forward to banning someone from his stream for a week though! He's not doing well and was back in the 1900 range when i watched him play yestetday. But i would not count him out just yet. I noticed he started to analyze his reps very methodical, which is good obv. if you wanna improve and he seems very determined to make it [ including ladder marathon at the end]. I think it would be good if je spents a few hours with a coach. His current understanding and raw mechanics are good enough for A, but not for S imho. So despite me actually teasing him a lot in this thread ( which he deserves :p), im quite impressed so far. I figured he'd peak around 2100 mmr before he started the challenge. He has decent mechanics and decent micro/macro with protoss overall, but his build orders and timings are still a bit off. I think we all knew he'd do better with all-in builds than he would trying to analyze situations and adjust accordingly. At this pace I think he could realistically reach S within a month or two if he really wanted to. A coaching session with a CURRENT S rank protoss could speed things up drastically.
Yep, agreed. I expected him to peak 200-300 mmr lower than his highest mainrace mmr. Thats what ppl can reach from my experience without putting to much effort into the specifics of their offrace.
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If you just play PvP and PvT it's possible but PvZ is way too hard to get to S in a week.
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On August 05 2020 17:58 Dante08 wrote: If you just play PvP and PvT it's possible but PvZ is way too hard to get to S in a week. my pvz win rate is really high. pvp 25% mb pvt 45% mb The biggest problem of this challenge is the stream snipers. some of them are playing 10 hatchery to auto counter gateway nexus :/ . I was doing well A rank 2090 mmr. But last days is getting worse and worse. If im honest the challenge loss the fun for me. I never expected to make S rank. But I give the respect of the challenge and will play 7 days non stop without breaks for a minimum of 5 hours. These snipers are so Insane that some of them I ask sometimes games to practise and they dodge me.But here they are stream sniping.
Today 16:00 cest will be the last day of the challenge. MMR right now is 1962 I think.
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On August 05 2020 18:15 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2020 17:58 Dante08 wrote: If you just play PvP and PvT it's possible but PvZ is way too hard to get to S in a week. my pvz win rate is really high. pvp 25% mb pvt 45% mb The biggest problem of this challenge is the stream snipers. some of them are playing 10 hatchery to auto counter gateway nexus :/ . I was doing well A rank 2090 mmr. But last days is getting worse and worse. If im honest the challenge loss the fun for me. I never expected to make S rank. But I give the respect of the challenge and will play 7 days non stop without breaks for a minimum of 5 hours. These snipers are so Insane that some of them I ask sometimes games to practise and they dodge me.But here they are stream sniping. Today 16:00 cest will be the last day of the challenge. MMR right now is 1962 I think.
Respect for playing the full 7 days and for not giving up even though you are doing 6-7 hours non-stop ladder games each day. This is hard work and diligence few people have so i appreciate it + its interesting to watch the progress as an observer. People who don't give up eventually achieve their goals, gl hf
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On August 05 2020 20:06 Jathin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2020 18:15 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On August 05 2020 17:58 Dante08 wrote: If you just play PvP and PvT it's possible but PvZ is way too hard to get to S in a week. my pvz win rate is really high. pvp 25% mb pvt 45% mb The biggest problem of this challenge is the stream snipers. some of them are playing 10 hatchery to auto counter gateway nexus :/ . I was doing well A rank 2090 mmr. But last days is getting worse and worse. If im honest the challenge loss the fun for me. I never expected to make S rank. But I give the respect of the challenge and will play 7 days non stop without breaks for a minimum of 5 hours. These snipers are so Insane that some of them I ask sometimes games to practise and they dodge me.But here they are stream sniping. Today 16:00 cest will be the last day of the challenge. MMR right now is 1962 I think. Use a stream delay? For a popular streamer it is necessary to use low latency mode imo, because otherwise there will be problems with viewer interaction and the quality of games will suffer. Viewers need to talk to him and help him improve build orders and how to counter his enemies
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Russian Federation344 Posts
excuses...
btw using coach while trying challenge also cheat :D
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Northern Ireland20729 Posts
On August 05 2020 18:15 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2020 17:58 Dante08 wrote: If you just play PvP and PvT it's possible but PvZ is way too hard to get to S in a week. my pvz win rate is really high. pvp 25% mb pvt 45% mb The biggest problem of this challenge is the stream snipers. some of them are playing 10 hatchery to auto counter gateway nexus :/ . I was doing well A rank 2090 mmr. But last days is getting worse and worse. If im honest the challenge loss the fun for me. I never expected to make S rank. But I give the respect of the challenge and will play 7 days non stop without breaks for a minimum of 5 hours. These snipers are so Insane that some of them I ask sometimes games to practise and they dodge me.But here they are stream sniping. Today 16:00 cest will be the last day of the challenge. MMR right now is 1962 I think. Fair play man, especially given it wasn’t a challenge you set yourself but just went along with.
Snipes and blind countering kind of go against the spirit of the challenge which is a bit disappointing.
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On August 05 2020 21:05 att wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2020 20:06 Jathin wrote:On August 05 2020 18:15 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On August 05 2020 17:58 Dante08 wrote: If you just play PvP and PvT it's possible but PvZ is way too hard to get to S in a week. my pvz win rate is really high. pvp 25% mb pvt 45% mb The biggest problem of this challenge is the stream snipers. some of them are playing 10 hatchery to auto counter gateway nexus :/ . I was doing well A rank 2090 mmr. But last days is getting worse and worse. If im honest the challenge loss the fun for me. I never expected to make S rank. But I give the respect of the challenge and will play 7 days non stop without breaks for a minimum of 5 hours. These snipers are so Insane that some of them I ask sometimes games to practise and they dodge me.But here they are stream sniping. Today 16:00 cest will be the last day of the challenge. MMR right now is 1962 I think. Use a stream delay? For a popular streamer it is necessary to use low latency mode imo, because otherwise there will be problems with viewer interaction and the quality of games will suffer. Viewers need to talk to him and help him improve build orders and how to counter his enemies I would enable delay for the challenge and disable for fun games
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I don't think you can say indefinitely that opponents are stream cheating lol
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On August 06 2020 01:54 TelecoM wrote: I don't think you can say indefinitely that opponents are stream cheating lol Julia can!
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United States40776 Posts
Stream sniping is a relatively difficult affair. There’s a lot of people of similar MMR on ladder, even if timed perfectly it’s hard to get matched. Most games are unlikely to be snipes.
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good try Eon. I enjoyed the content. Don't let a handful of scrubs take away the fun. We know who the stream snipers are. Same pathetic lot.
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On August 06 2020 03:22 KwarK wrote: Stream sniping is a relatively difficult affair. There’s a lot of people of similar MMR on ladder, even if timed perfectly it’s hard to get matched. Most games are unlikely to be snipes. Damn I thought you’d gotten enough practice by now that you would have come up with a foolproof strat.
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Sniping someone from Korea is very difficult, sniping someone from EU is not. The player base is very small.
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...so how did it go? A short summary of the week would be nice.
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TLADT24917 Posts
Feels a bit odd to me that you took the challenge on Eon without considering that you may need to deal with these snipers and such. Why didn't you take a couple of days off streaming and play ladder to see if you can truly rise to S rank with toss when you saw you were getting sniped. Reason is that as it stands, it almost sounds like an excuse as in "I can probably do it, but I keep getting sniped and BO countered". I would've liked to see if you could make S toss in a week as well, but unless you rose the several hundred MMR needed since your last post, I guess not.
Hopefully you now consider trying for S rank Terran in a week lol, but I highly doubt many are capable of that feat.
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On August 06 2020 13:41 BigFan wrote: Feels a bit odd to me that you took the challenge on Eon without considering that you may need to deal with these snipers and such. Why didn't you take a couple of days off streaming and play ladder to see if you can truly rise to S rank with toss when you saw you were getting sniped. Reason is that as it stands, it almost sounds like an excuse as in "I can probably do it, but I keep getting sniped and BO countered". I would've liked to see if you could make S toss in a week as well, but unless you rose the several hundred MMR needed since your last post, I guess not.
Hopefully you now consider trying for S rank Terran in a week lol, but I highly doubt many are capable of that feat.
From day 1 i stated making S rank will be hard.I also asked viewers about adding stream delay and we realized it is a fun challenge and im not gonna win the Champion League here.
So lets make a resume. This doesnt deserve a thread and was suposed to be a fun challenge.
Why you took the challenge ?
I had the intention to play protoss few days. People keep coming and asking why are you playing protoss all the time. Fazek proposed the challenge and i took it.Is a good way for people to stop asking the question + is going to give some different hype to my stream.
Stream snipers situation.I also expected it to happen but not at the lvl it happened. Basically some guys that in the past i asked for practise and dodged it etc started to snipe me on ladder 3 days non stop.And while you can argue well eon to make S rank u need to win these guys. Well. after playing 4 days minimym 5 hours -maximum 8 hours x day and do u see that your oponent is with the win build order. the first scouts.etc . is mentally exhausting.I for example changed my race to zerg to counter snipe them but ofc they didnt look for games.
About protoss: PvP :Honestly idk how people play pvp. that matchup is a head breaker. to play pvp u really need to be emotion less. never figured out how to get a solid win in the matchup.
PvT: Not a hard matchup to play but i have the feeling that in order to get it done well need to get right the Protoss dragoon micro. the reaver spots that get u kills. and learning specific build orders.
PvZ: My highest winrate comes from this one. The most difficult thing i found in this matchup is when to send the worker to make the first pylon in my natural for Gateway expand.
Resume: Not build orders Not Hotkeys Not commands (most of the time i make buildings with mouse) Not micro mechanics I was doing all my production with fkeys. making the workers with fkeys too. Missing a lot of Protoss knowledge.
max MMR 2090.
I dont think i can even keep B rank with all the things i mention above if i try to play Terran.
Thx to everyone that showed interest and watched the stream. See you!
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i dont understand all the hatred towards eon. i am a regular stream viewer and have an amazing huge tv in my living room where i have the pleasure of watching eon, bonyth, terror and dewalt (where is dewalt lately by the way).
seriously whats up with all the negative attitude toward eon? is there something i am missing? he is a cool guy. his stream is fun. he doesnt talk bullshit about any player (at least when i didnt hear anything during the times i watch). people are probably jealous because he is a decent player with a decent number of viewers.
it is not an appropriate question to ask ''why did you take the challenge''. well, why not? he is already one of the best zergs outside of korea. he has nothing to prove to anybody. although he has not done well lately in tournaments he is still very very good player.
seriously stop talking shit about this guy. it makes you look silly. in fact dont talk shit about anyone who makes the non-korean brood war scene an enjoyable place. have a bitter sweet rivalry between each other. dont insult one another. you are all grownups.
damn you guys made me write like a grandfather. lol. with love from turkey...
by the way looking forward to the next bsl
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On August 06 2020 17:46 elpolloloco31 wrote: i dont understand all the hatred towards eon. i am a regular stream viewer and have an amazing huge tv in my living room where i have the pleasure of watching eon, bonyth, terror and dewalt (where is dewalt lately by the way).
seriously whats up with all the negative attitude toward eon? is there something i am missing? he is a cool guy. his stream is fun. he doesnt talk bullshit about any player (at least when i didnt hear anything during the times i watch). people are probably jealous because he is a decent player with a decent number of viewers.
it is not an appropriate question to ask ''why did you take the challenge''. well, why not? he is already one of the best zergs outside of korea. he has nothing to prove to anybody. although he has not done well lately in tournaments he is still very very good player.
seriously stop talking shit about this guy. it makes you look silly. in fact dont talk shit about anyone who makes the non-korean brood war scene an enjoyable place. have a bitter sweet rivalry between each other. dont insult one another. you are all grownups.
damn you guys made me write like a grandfather. lol. with love from turkey...
by the way looking forward to the next bsl
To answer your question and eon is probably aware of it, people talk shit about him so they can get a reaction (which they think is funny). That's basically the whole deal and it doesn't happen to eon only, it's probably close to the definition of the word "bully" which is widespread emotional or physical abuse to gain satisfaction from the suffering of others. You are probably right that all this comes from people who cannot deal with their own shortcomings in life. No big news, I know!
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I totally agree with elpolloloco31. also getting max 2090 as offrace Protoss in 7 days, is very very very good achievement already. so even tho he didnt make it to S rank, he hit A rank.
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On August 06 2020 17:10 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
About protoss:
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PvT: Not a hard matchup to play but i have the feeling that in order to get it done well need to get right the Protoss dragoon micro. the reaver spots that get u kills. and learning specific build orders.
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Resume: Not build orders Not Hotkeys Not commands (most of the time i make buildings with mouse) Not micro mechanics I was doing all my production with fkeys. making the workers with fkeys too. Missing a lot of Protoss knowledge.
max MMR 2090.
I dont think i can even keep B rank with all the things i mention above if i try to play Terran.
I'll cherish this.
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On August 06 2020 17:10 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2020 13:41 BigFan wrote: Feels a bit odd to me that you took the challenge on Eon without considering that you may need to deal with these snipers and such. Why didn't you take a couple of days off streaming and play ladder to see if you can truly rise to S rank with toss when you saw you were getting sniped. Reason is that as it stands, it almost sounds like an excuse as in "I can probably do it, but I keep getting sniped and BO countered". I would've liked to see if you could make S toss in a week as well, but unless you rose the several hundred MMR needed since your last post, I guess not.
Hopefully you now consider trying for S rank Terran in a week lol, but I highly doubt many are capable of that feat. From day 1 i stated making S rank will be hard.I also asked viewers about adding stream delay and we realized it is a fun challenge and im not gonna win the Champion League here. So lets make a resume. This doesnt deserve a thread and was suposed to be a fun challenge. Why you took the challenge ?I had the intention to play protoss few days. People keep coming and asking why are you playing protoss all the time. Fazek proposed the challenge and i took it.Is a good way for people to stop asking the question + is going to give some different hype to my stream. Stream snipers situation.I also expected it to happen but not at the lvl it happened. Basically some guys that in the past i asked for practise and dodged it etc started to snipe me on ladder 3 days non stop.And while you can argue well eon to make S rank u need to win these guys. Well. after playing 4 days minimym 5 hours -maximum 8 hours x day and do u see that your oponent is with the win build order. the first scouts.etc . is mentally exhausting.I for example changed my race to zerg to counter snipe them but ofc they didnt look for games. About protoss:PvP :Honestly idk how people play pvp. that matchup is a head breaker. to play pvp u really need to be emotion less. never figured out how to get a solid win in the matchup. PvT: Not a hard matchup to play but i have the feeling that in order to get it done well need to get right the Protoss dragoon micro. the reaver spots that get u kills. and learning specific build orders. PvZ: My highest winrate comes from this one. The most difficult thing i found in this matchup is when to send the worker to make the first pylon in my natural for Gateway expand. Resume: Not build orders Not Hotkeys Not commands (most of the time i make buildings with mouse) Not micro mechanics I was doing all my production with fkeys. making the workers with fkeys too. Missing a lot of Protoss knowledge. max MMR 2090. I dont think i can even keep B rank with all the things i mention above if i try to play Terran. Thx to everyone that showed interest and watched the stream. See you!
Well played, enjoying ur stream and kudos for reaching 2090, not bad to reach that goal on 7 days
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On August 06 2020 17:10 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2020 13:41 BigFan wrote: Feels a bit odd to me that you took the challenge on Eon without considering that you may need to deal with these snipers and such. Why didn't you take a couple of days off streaming and play ladder to see if you can truly rise to S rank with toss when you saw you were getting sniped. Reason is that as it stands, it almost sounds like an excuse as in "I can probably do it, but I keep getting sniped and BO countered". I would've liked to see if you could make S toss in a week as well, but unless you rose the several hundred MMR needed since your last post, I guess not.
Hopefully you now consider trying for S rank Terran in a week lol, but I highly doubt many are capable of that feat. From day 1 i stated making S rank will be hard.I also asked viewers about adding stream delay and we realized it is a fun challenge and im not gonna win the Champion League here. So lets make a resume. This doesnt deserve a thread and was suposed to be a fun challenge. Why you took the challenge ?I had the intention to play protoss few days. People keep coming and asking why are you playing protoss all the time. Fazek proposed the challenge and i took it.Is a good way for people to stop asking the question + is going to give some different hype to my stream. Stream snipers situation.I also expected it to happen but not at the lvl it happened. Basically some guys that in the past i asked for practise and dodged it etc started to snipe me on ladder 3 days non stop.And while you can argue well eon to make S rank u need to win these guys. Well. after playing 4 days minimym 5 hours -maximum 8 hours x day and do u see that your oponent is with the win build order. the first scouts.etc . is mentally exhausting.I for example changed my race to zerg to counter snipe them but ofc they didnt look for games. About protoss:PvP :Honestly idk how people play pvp. that matchup is a head breaker. to play pvp u really need to be emotion less. never figured out how to get a solid win in the matchup. PvT: Not a hard matchup to play but i have the feeling that in order to get it done well need to get right the Protoss dragoon micro. the reaver spots that get u kills. and learning specific build orders. PvZ: My highest winrate comes from this one. The most difficult thing i found in this matchup is when to send the worker to make the first pylon in my natural for Gateway expand. Resume: Not build orders Not Hotkeys Not commands (most of the time i make buildings with mouse) Not micro mechanics I was doing all my production with fkeys. making the workers with fkeys too. Missing a lot of Protoss knowledge. max MMR 2090. I dont think i can even keep B rank with all the things i mention above if i try to play Terran. Thx to everyone that showed interest and watched the stream. See you! lmfao.. right.. right
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@eonzerg fair points.
On August 06 2020 17:46 elpolloloco31 wrote: i dont understand all the hatred towards eon. i am a regular stream viewer and have an amazing huge tv in my living room where i have the pleasure of watching eon, bonyth, terror and dewalt (where is dewalt lately by the way).
seriously whats up with all the negative attitude toward eon? is there something i am missing? he is a cool guy. his stream is fun. he doesnt talk bullshit about any player (at least when i didnt hear anything during the times i watch). people are probably jealous because he is a decent player with a decent number of viewers.
it is not an appropriate question to ask ''why did you take the challenge''. well, why not? he is already one of the best zergs outside of korea. he has nothing to prove to anybody. although he has not done well lately in tournaments he is still very very good player.
seriously stop talking shit about this guy. it makes you look silly. in fact dont talk shit about anyone who makes the non-korean brood war scene an enjoyable place. have a bitter sweet rivalry between each other. dont insult one another. you are all grownups.
damn you guys made me write like a grandfather. lol. with love from turkey...
by the way looking forward to the next bsl You seem to have misunderstood my post. There was no shit talking involved. It was a fair question on my part to ask why he took the challenge. I don't watch his stream much and from my perspective, even if it's meant to be a fun challenge, he'll take it as seriously as possible since there's no redo. From my perspective, taking it seriously would be akin to how Last took KSL1 seriously.
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Here avi https://imgur.com/a/3TixwxH i can keep playing but i dont have time anymore school starts and its my last day of playing
S rank is inevitable
SO YES Toss or Terran to S is ez pz to make.
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On August 06 2020 17:10 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2020 13:41 BigFan wrote: Feels a bit odd to me that you took the challenge on Eon without considering that you may need to deal with these snipers and such. Why didn't you take a couple of days off streaming and play ladder to see if you can truly rise to S rank with toss when you saw you were getting sniped. Reason is that as it stands, it almost sounds like an excuse as in "I can probably do it, but I keep getting sniped and BO countered". I would've liked to see if you could make S toss in a week as well, but unless you rose the several hundred MMR needed since your last post, I guess not.
Hopefully you now consider trying for S rank Terran in a week lol, but I highly doubt many are capable of that feat. From day 1 i stated making S rank will be hard.I also asked viewers about adding stream delay and we realized it is a fun challenge and im not gonna win the Champion League here. So lets make a resume. This doesnt deserve a thread and was suposed to be a fun challenge. Why you took the challenge ?I had the intention to play protoss few days. People keep coming and asking why are you playing protoss all the time. Fazek proposed the challenge and i took it.Is a good way for people to stop asking the question + is going to give some different hype to my stream. Stream snipers situation.I also expected it to happen but not at the lvl it happened. Basically some guys that in the past i asked for practise and dodged it etc started to snipe me on ladder 3 days non stop.And while you can argue well eon to make S rank u need to win these guys. Well. after playing 4 days minimym 5 hours -maximum 8 hours x day and do u see that your oponent is with the win build order. the first scouts.etc . is mentally exhausting.I for example changed my race to zerg to counter snipe them but ofc they didnt look for games. About protoss:PvP :Honestly idk how people play pvp. that matchup is a head breaker. to play pvp u really need to be emotion less. never figured out how to get a solid win in the matchup. PvT: Not a hard matchup to play but i have the feeling that in order to get it done well need to get right the Protoss dragoon micro. the reaver spots that get u kills. and learning specific build orders. PvZ: My highest winrate comes from this one. The most difficult thing i found in this matchup is when to send the worker to make the first pylon in my natural for Gateway expand. Resume: Not build orders Not Hotkeys Not commands (most of the time i make buildings with mouse) Not micro mechanics I was doing all my production with fkeys. making the workers with fkeys too. Missing a lot of Protoss knowledge. max MMR 2090. I dont think i can even keep B rank with all the things i mention above if i try to play Terran. Thx to everyone that showed interest and watched the stream. See you!
First, i enjoyed that you did the challenge to the end and i noticed, that you started to analyze your replays serious (by day 2 or 3 iirc).
You understand now where some of the difficulties lie in pkaying toss and your own limits in it. Thats goos, is was fun to watch.
Regarding sniping: yeah it makes your final mmr a little less valid, but you needed to win against those players anyway as you said yourself. I noticed a fair amount of games that you lost fair and square against mainrace players on their main accounts (vs my clanmate REDBLUEGREEN for example, he is A rank T).
Overall, nice stream, it was fun to watch! Thx for doing the challenge!
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On August 07 2020 00:36 KameZerg wrote:Here avi https://imgur.com/a/3TixwxH i can keep playing but i dont have time anymore school starts and its my last day of playing S rank is inevitable SO YES Toss or Terran to S is ez pz to make. So it took you about a week of playing for several hours a day, remaking your account a dozen times, and then a long win streak against mediocre europeans to get your MAIN race to 2150 -- and in your universe that's great evidence that you can get S rank(which you're 100 mmr away from) with your offraces in a week?
I am not impressed by your performance.
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On August 07 2020 04:54 Avi-Love wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2020 00:36 KameZerg wrote:Here avi https://imgur.com/a/3TixwxH i can keep playing but i dont have time anymore school starts and its my last day of playing S rank is inevitable SO YES Toss or Terran to S is ez pz to make. So it took you about a week of playing for several hours a day, remaking your account a dozen times, and then a long win streak against mediocre europeans to get your MAIN race to 2150 -- and in your universe that's great evidence that you can get S rank(which you're 100 mmr away from) with your offraces in a week? I am not impressed by your performance.
Well... I think the secret is that in the last 18 games (of 26 games total) he played vs. 11 Protoss (9-2), 3 Terran (2-1) and 4 Zerg (3-1) games. Of the 11 games vs. Protoss; 5 were vs the same opponent (low A rank, MMR2084, result 4-1). The record vs. Terran was 2-1, the win was MMR 1832[B] and 1532[C] and the loss 1977[B]. All vs. Zerg wins is vs low (C and B rank) with loss being to Yaj [A].
The average MMR of all these 18 games opponents combined were MMR1982,938 [B].
Credit for best game win vs. Crvt[ReV] at 2256 [S], Protoss (also the only [S] ranked opponent). No rematch...
Conclusion: I don't think S rank is guaranteed at all (imo). Probably a solid A-rank (2050-2100) Zerg (Europe) if being active and a lot of vs. Terran practise. And that is very good indeed. But the thought of going higher with an offrace is not very likley. But why not try to prove it? (as if that even matters?)
PS. The terran loss was iRk-Aalm offrace as Terran? I think he was lucky he did not play protoss DS.
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Kame has a mean ZvP. Idk about other matchups, but there aren't many people I'd rate higher and they're all solid S
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On August 07 2020 07:47 Soulforged wrote: Kame has a mean ZvP. Idk about other matchups, but there aren't many people I'd rate higher and they're all solid S
I would rank all the usual suspects above such as Eon, Sziky, g0rynich, Trutacz, cRoSs and probably even Hawk, Dragon and Yaj and not to mention Avi and CadenZie (at least similar). I remember cRoSs (which is currently A rank) taking game after game vs. Oya on stream (during BSL practise) which probably has a winning record vs. Kame? (at least that the impression you got from watching the stream during that same time).
But in the end.... we all suck, don't we? Tier 5 (ASTL) amateurs would have a winning record (heavy such) vs. any foreigner. S-rank or not we won't get any further than our own computers. So lets just have fun while it lasts (for many many years to come, right?!, cheers to another 20!).
PS. I found a replay where I win vs. Kame while I offrace as P (Z main). Although it's a dirty 2 gate (albeit a little prolonged over 2 attacks, 8 min game). I am not claiming to be superior in any way (the opposite) but it's funny to mention in this context - Protoss is easy! :D DS.
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to be fair my terran and protoss are at similar mmr and kame has like > 80% win rate vs me. why do we need to compare our self to top tier korean players that grew up playing bw 14 hours a day in team houses to discuss race balance or the foreign scene in general?
some times i beat S rank zergs with proxy rax scv rush but that dont really prove anything (other than it's a viable rush tvz just like 5 pool zvt or w/e). stop race whining like children and enjoy this beautiful game.
eonzerg u ended up in fkn b rank after 50~ hours of practice with LIVE coaching, own it man.
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On August 07 2020 20:11 A.Alm wrote: to be fair my terran and protoss are at similar mmr and kame has like > 80% win rate vs me. why do we need to compare our self to top tier korean players that grew up playing bw 14 hours a day in team houses to discuss race balance or the foreign scene in general?
some times i beat S rank zergs with proxy rax scv rush but that dont really prove anything (other than it's a viable rush tvz just like 5 pool zvt or w/e). stop race whining like children and enjoy this beautiful game.
eonzerg u ended up in fkn b rank after 50~ hours of practice with LIVE coaching, own it man.
In some ways I feel we say the same thing but in different ways. The way I see any possible differences between Protoss, Terran and Zerg is with a twinkle in the eye. Other people make more "serious" claims, but I leave it to that.
In my opinion Protoss is heavily based on timing. You don’t need to be the fastest, but you must hit each small detail perfect to become good. It can take years to develop that game sense but once you have it pays off. Next come precision to develop a detailed understanding of the specific unit control. And last come speed (based on the deep knowledge of timing) but that’s above low/mid S-rank, which is why you can have a 300APM protoss max B-rank while the 200APM does A/S-rank.
In summary; Protoss learning curve is [TIMING] -> [PRECISSION] -> [SPEED]
I think Terran and Zerg operate slightly different. Every component is of course important, at every rank at varius degrees. But if I relate to Zerg I think it’s more like; [SPEED] -> [TIMING] -> [PRECISSION]. This is about macro/tech etc. you may have made the hydra den a few seconds to early, or to late but you could still be in the game. Protoss that miss a critical Robotics timing is more likley to straight up loose.
In short. They are different. And I think that the learning curve to reach a certain degree of [TIMING], [PRECISSION] and [SPEED] with protoss is perhaps slightly easier based on how fast you can develop these skills.
Lastly, the way I communicated if we should compare ourselves to Koreans was not meant to sound pessimistic but rather optimistic. We don’t need to call each other out on how high the MMR tree we go. Also, who cares what rank you got or how easy you claim to get it just to irritate people? I got an additional portrait to you and then what? Since the pay off is very small, or non-existent in foreign brood war I think we should all have that twinkle in the eye when we discuss such matters.
Props to eOn, I had fun watching!
EDIT! [TIMING] is a product of build order. Nailing the build order is one of the most important aspects of the game. And since a 2-gate build order is really easy to execute, and the payoff for Protoss is high in regards to [TIMING]. Nativley I also think that I score higher in [PRECISSION] in this scenario then I would if I had played Terran BBS (zealot vs. marine/SCV micro). Terran would score higher in [PRECISSION] than the other races... loose a tank/vessel at the wrong time and your out. I think that is the reason why I could win vs. someone like Kame with Protoss while it would be nearly impossible for me to do it with Terran (knowing them both at a similar low level).
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On August 07 2020 00:36 KameZerg wrote:Here avi https://imgur.com/a/3TixwxH i can keep playing but i dont have time anymore school starts and its my last day of playing S rank is inevitable SO YES Toss or Terran to S is ez pz to make.
Quick update, Kame is now at 41 total games, still playing absolute potatoes, and he has lost mmr down to 2133 (it was never higher either.) That's 19 games played after claiming to not have time to play anymore, and we're now further away from S.
Are you okay Kame?
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In fairness 2200 players are pretty good and this game is pretty hard. I wouldn’t flame anyone for getting mid A, that’s solid.
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On August 08 2020 04:44 KwarK wrote: In fairness 2200 players are pretty good and this game is pretty hard. I wouldn’t flame anyone for getting mid A, that’s solid. When someone brags about easily getting S in a week as their offrace, get called out on it, attempt to do it with their main race, fail miserably, post excuses about not being able to play but then still continue playing.... I think a bit of flaming is warranted, don't you?
Also he's playing mostly 1750 ranked people, it's not like he's losing to 2.2k players lmao.
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sounds like this is evolving into an other personal feud
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Well i left against 1 B rank and i won against a S rank korean who dced and then deleted his account so i didnt get points ^^
edit: oh shit the guy i left against wasnt a B rank it was hyun, anyways i was 30ish sec afk no chance to win it.
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lol i literally cant play anymore, my mouse sensor messed up during my last game (which i still won :D) it keeps moving around randomly every 5 sec or so luckily i was so far ahead in the game that it didnt matter.
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Your gonna have to take my word for it that i would have made S tonight :D
and plz dont say im not beating any S rank koreans, most of those maniacs are gosus and some of them progamers and its hard enough to play them in tr 8 especially when they are terran, i have about 25-30% winrate against low S rank koreans.
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On August 08 2020 07:59 KameZerg wrote: Your gonna have to take my word for it that i would have made S tonight :D
and plz dont say im not beating any S rank koreans, most of those maniacs are gosus and some of them progamers and its hard enough to play them in tr 8 especially when they are terran, i have about 25-30% winrate against low S rank koreans. Don't worry Kame, I believe you.
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On August 08 2020 09:55 nbaker wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2020 07:59 KameZerg wrote: Your gonna have to take my word for it that i would have made S tonight :D
and plz dont say im not beating any S rank koreans, most of those maniacs are gosus and some of them progamers and its hard enough to play them in tr 8 especially when they are terran, i have about 25-30% winrate against low S rank koreans. Don't worry Kame, I believe you.
get lost bitch
User was temp banned for this post.
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On August 08 2020 07:59 KameZerg wrote: Your gonna have to take my word for it that i would have made S tonight :D
and plz dont say im not beating any S rank koreans, most of those maniacs are gosus and some of them progamers and its hard enough to play them in tr 8 especially when they are terran, i have about 25-30% winrate against low S rank koreans.
OK. And? I am not sure what you are doing... is it trolling? bragging?... or just showing poor judgement?
If you play S-rank Koreans on TR8 they will either... if they are progamers; leave or if they are amatures BBS/2-gate just to get you out of the game. And whenever they mess it up and start writing "ssibal" or "ur mother" they will leave. It does not mean nothing (Bonyth took down a 2300 Korean Terran today with Zerg, just as I described it).
Come back when you've been to Korea and picked up a good ACS rank, or had a good run in ASL/KSL qualifiers, or at least win BSL Proleauge. Then your judgement will be somewhat salvaged in some eyes... looking like an asshole in others.
By the way... everyone is doing this challenge of going S-rank with offrace at the moment, Bonyth, Trutacz, Ceetech etc. Do yours if you want to earn some bragging rights! (or is your mouse broken?)
PS. No one cares if you reach/max S-rank with your main race on Europe. That is not the discussion here... DS.
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yeah its obvious that you are not sure. I'm just doing it as a fun thing its nothing serious. Yeah ok no im not going accross the world to make a point i think you have the wrong impression maybe something is wrong with your judgement. Ok how fun for them, go watch them you noob.
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On August 08 2020 11:10 KameZerg wrote: yeah its obvious that you are not sure. I'm just doing it as a fun thing its nothing serious. Yeah ok no im not going accross the world to make a point i think you have the wrong impression maybe something is wrong with your judgement. Ok how fun for them, go watch them you noob.
Well.. at least they have skill to show for. Not sure what you have... stop making a fool out of yourself. You are a decent A-rank player (by European standard),which is good enough. But stop bragging about made up truths and irritating people. Get back to reality and post something of value instead.
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I would like to try S rank challange with off race, but i even can not make S rank with my main race PROTOSS.
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On August 08 2020 07:25 KameZerg wrote: Well i left against 1 B rank and i won against a S rank korean who dced and then deleted his account so i didnt get points ^^
edit: oh shit the guy i left against wasnt a B rank it was hyun, anyways i was 30ish sec afk no chance to win it. Haha this sounds true. Relax bro, it’s just a game.
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On August 08 2020 16:52 Timebon3s wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2020 07:25 KameZerg wrote: Well i left against 1 B rank and i won against a S rank korean who dced and then deleted his account so i didnt get points ^^
edit: oh shit the guy i left against wasnt a B rank it was hyun, anyways i was 30ish sec afk no chance to win it. Haha this sounds true. Relax bro, it’s just a game.
sing to me
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On August 08 2020 19:28 KameZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2020 16:52 Timebon3s wrote:On August 08 2020 07:25 KameZerg wrote: Well i left against 1 B rank and i won against a S rank korean who dced and then deleted his account so i didnt get points ^^ Hi edit: oh shit the guy i left against wasnt a B rank it was hyun, anyways i was 30ish sec afk no chance to win it. Haha this sounds true. Relax bro, it’s just a game. sing to me
You want a reality check? OK. I will give you one.
You called me “noob”. Depending on what perspective you take that might be true. If you interpret the meaning of the word, then no... I have played this game for several years so I am not a “newbie” or beginner, neither are you. Ah well lets try another? From the perspective of earnings? I have not made any official monetary earnings and from your profile it looks like neither have you? (If that makes you qualify from amateur/“noob” to... senior or pro?). Avi-Love at least have a few USD to his name so maybe we are both “noobs” from his perspective?
Ok, another perspective then just to help you on the way... I have not achieved any official tournament wins... you managed to win a one BWCL spinoff, Congratulations.
You maybe have another portrait to use on your battle.net profile? Or do you?
Damn... this is getting rough... Or perhaps we both are “noobs” if you look at it from a Korean/Professional perspective?
You have such a decorated track record that I can’t compete. Can I? Does this reasoning extend to other areas in how to measure success? Or rights to brag? Or would that just translate to being perceived as an asshole?
I have a mouse that works... you noob! I guess I won?
I will let you choose. I am not holding out for your reply. On the contrary I think it’s better for yourself if you stop posting.
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On August 07 2020 04:54 Avi-Love wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2020 00:36 KameZerg wrote:Here avi https://imgur.com/a/3TixwxH i can keep playing but i dont have time anymore school starts and its my last day of playing S rank is inevitable SO YES Toss or Terran to S is ez pz to make. So it took you about a week of playing for several hours a day, remaking your account a dozen times, and then a long win streak against mediocre europeans to get your MAIN race to 2150 -- and in your universe that's great evidence that you can get S rank(which you're 100 mmr away from) with your offraces in a week? I am not impressed by your performance.
So it took you about a week of complaining several hours a day, remaking posts a dozen times, and then a long whine streak against mediocre S ranks to get your MAIN post count to 317 -- and in your universe that's a great evidence that you can get 1000 posts on that account in another week?
i am not impressed by your predictions.
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Eon and I had a deal where if he made S, I'd gift him 5 subs on twitch. If he didn't make S, I could ban anyone from his twitch chat for a week. Apparently anyone didn't mean anyone. Oh well. It was a fun and entertaining challenge either way.
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On August 09 2020 00:41 A.Alm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2020 04:54 Avi-Love wrote:On August 07 2020 00:36 KameZerg wrote:Here avi https://imgur.com/a/3TixwxH i can keep playing but i dont have time anymore school starts and its my last day of playing S rank is inevitable SO YES Toss or Terran to S is ez pz to make. So it took you about a week of playing for several hours a day, remaking your account a dozen times, and then a long win streak against mediocre europeans to get your MAIN race to 2150 -- and in your universe that's great evidence that you can get S rank(which you're 100 mmr away from) with your offraces in a week? I am not impressed by your performance. So it took you about a week of complaining several hours a day, remaking posts a dozen times, and then a long whine streak against mediocre S ranks to get your MAIN post count to 317 -- and in your universe that's a great evidence that you can get 1000 posts on that account in another week? i am not impressed by your predictions. What does post count have to do with anything?
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On August 09 2020 01:55 Timebon3s wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2020 00:41 A.Alm wrote:On August 07 2020 04:54 Avi-Love wrote:On August 07 2020 00:36 KameZerg wrote:Here avi https://imgur.com/a/3TixwxH i can keep playing but i dont have time anymore school starts and its my last day of playing S rank is inevitable SO YES Toss or Terran to S is ez pz to make. So it took you about a week of playing for several hours a day, remaking your account a dozen times, and then a long win streak against mediocre europeans to get your MAIN race to 2150 -- and in your universe that's great evidence that you can get S rank(which you're 100 mmr away from) with your offraces in a week? I am not impressed by your performance. So it took you about a week of complaining several hours a day, remaking posts a dozen times, and then a long whine streak against mediocre S ranks to get your MAIN post count to 317 -- and in your universe that's a great evidence that you can get 1000 posts on that account in another week? i am not impressed by your predictions. What does post count have to do with anything?
+1.
EDIT: I give up....
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On August 08 2020 10:03 KameZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2020 09:55 nbaker wrote:On August 08 2020 07:59 KameZerg wrote: Your gonna have to take my word for it that i would have made S tonight :D
and plz dont say im not beating any S rank koreans, most of those maniacs are gosus and some of them progamers and its hard enough to play them in tr 8 especially when they are terran, i have about 25-30% winrate against low S rank koreans. Don't worry Kame, I believe you. get lost bitch User was temp banned for this post. harsh
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On August 09 2020 02:38 M3t4PhYzX wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2020 10:03 KameZerg wrote:On August 08 2020 09:55 nbaker wrote:On August 08 2020 07:59 KameZerg wrote: Your gonna have to take my word for it that i would have made S tonight :D
and plz dont say im not beating any S rank koreans, most of those maniacs are gosus and some of them progamers and its hard enough to play them in tr 8 especially when they are terran, i have about 25-30% winrate against low S rank koreans. Don't worry Kame, I believe you. get lost bitch User was temp banned for this post. harsh Now I wonder what the story is here. What is the drama between nbaker and kame?? I'm hooked.
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On August 09 2020 00:41 A.Alm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2020 04:54 Avi-Love wrote:On August 07 2020 00:36 KameZerg wrote:Here avi https://imgur.com/a/3TixwxH i can keep playing but i dont have time anymore school starts and its my last day of playing S rank is inevitable SO YES Toss or Terran to S is ez pz to make. So it took you about a week of playing for several hours a day, remaking your account a dozen times, and then a long win streak against mediocre europeans to get your MAIN race to 2150 -- and in your universe that's great evidence that you can get S rank(which you're 100 mmr away from) with your offraces in a week? I am not impressed by your performance. So it took you about a week of complaining several hours a day, remaking posts a dozen times, and then a long whine streak against mediocre S ranks to get your MAIN post count to 317 -- and in your universe that's a great evidence that you can get 1000 posts on that account in another week? i am not impressed by your predictions.
I'm glad he finally got some iRk members on the ladder so he could get S rank on his main account after hundreds of games over a week of struggling, that really proves his original point of how he would "easily" get S on his OFFRACE in less than a week -- you're so right man, how embarrassing for me and my "predictions". I'm also glad to see you managed to get 2150+ as protoss, which any 2100-2200 player would, right?
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On August 09 2020 07:33 Avi-Love wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2020 00:41 A.Alm wrote:On August 07 2020 04:54 Avi-Love wrote:On August 07 2020 00:36 KameZerg wrote:Here avi https://imgur.com/a/3TixwxH i can keep playing but i dont have time anymore school starts and its my last day of playing S rank is inevitable SO YES Toss or Terran to S is ez pz to make. So it took you about a week of playing for several hours a day, remaking your account a dozen times, and then a long win streak against mediocre europeans to get your MAIN race to 2150 -- and in your universe that's great evidence that you can get S rank(which you're 100 mmr away from) with your offraces in a week? I am not impressed by your performance. So it took you about a week of complaining several hours a day, remaking posts a dozen times, and then a long whine streak against mediocre S ranks to get your MAIN post count to 317 -- and in your universe that's a great evidence that you can get 1000 posts on that account in another week? i am not impressed by your predictions. I'm glad he finally got some iRk members on the ladder so he could get S rank on his main account after hundreds of games over a week of struggling, that really proves his original point of how he would "easily" get S on his OFFRACE in less than a week -- you're so right man, how embarrassing for me and my "predictions". I'm also glad to see you managed to get 2150+ as protoss, which any 2100-2200 player would, right? Pardon me if I am misreading, but are you accusing iRk of ladder feeding? If you have evidence this is the perfect time Again, apologies if I am misunderstanding.
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Oh for the sake of clarity I absolutely do not think that they would purposely let Kame win ladder games, that would be way too embarrassing and pathetic. I would never want to throw around such outlandish claims, especially with no evidence at all -- I'm not like Radley. However, there are other ways to interpret what I said, less offensive but still poignant.
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I feel like there's an off-race grudge match waiting to happen.
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Yeh... this if hard evidence that they both are the best non-Korean players. eOn only reached B-rank while Kame reach S with Zerg... wait? Does he not have Zerg in his nickname? Weird to use offrace in name but I guess we also have a Zelot that play Zerg.... how strange.
Again... is Europe? TR8 to Korea? Opponent average MMR was? Sorry... this is irrelevant. He has an animated portrait to prove how great he is... is there any stream where we can see this greatness?
Next BSL champion confirmed. Bonyth and eOn is shaking in their boots.
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That's what's so silly about this whole thread.
They claim it's easy to reach S rank with an offrace in one week, and try to prove it by showing us some guy getting S rank on his main race after several weeks.
Props to eonzerg for not lying. Guess protoss isnt 1a2a3a4a after all then huh?
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and Bonyth streamed yesterday as Zerg to get S rank in 1 day. Last time I watched him play zerg he was around 2.1k mmr. pretty impressive. Guess zerg easier than toss.
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As much as I admire and respect the skill of Bonyth I think there should be a small asterisc (*) to that run simply becuse he hit both Trutacz and Cheetech (due to low latency matching) offracing; Trutacz as Protoss and Cheetech as Zerg and Terran.
Those matches alone won him well over 100 pts. and I am not sure that they both reached their own respective A-rank just with their offraces or if they leveled up using their main and then switching (Trutacz used his Minus)Trutacz account which I think he use for playing Zerg as well).
Nevertheless it was a very impressive run and he did much better as Zerg than I thought he would.
Although, if I relate back to my previous post I think Bonyth has a very well developed speed and was easily moving faster than he usually display with Protoss (i noticed he held a pretty stable ~250 APM when he went into a ZvP macro game; very little spam but mostly well used, albeit working macro as a Protoss ). That not only proove that he has the speed, but also a pretty good feel for zerg timings (based on the set of builds he used).
But perhaps Bonyth is not the best example to draw conclusions from, he is simply the best at the moment. But it definitly proves that a lot of Protoss users have more skill than they sometimes get credit for.
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On August 09 2020 14:52 Avi-Love wrote:Oh for the sake of clarity I absolutely do not think that they would purposely let Kame win ladder games, that would be way too embarrassing and pathetic. I would never want to throw around such outlandish claims, especially with no evidence at all -- I'm not like Radley. However, there are other ways to interpret what I said, less offensive but still poignant.
I guess we will never know for sure. Account (iRk-Kame) is deleted :D
Look, I managed to reach S-rank via MS-Paint; did it in less than 30 sec. (not saying that Kame did that)
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On August 10 2020 00:49 ...onmYwaY wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2020 14:52 Avi-Love wrote:Oh for the sake of clarity I absolutely do not think that they would purposely let Kame win ladder games, that would be way too embarrassing and pathetic. I would never want to throw around such outlandish claims, especially with no evidence at all -- I'm not like Radley. However, there are other ways to interpret what I said, less offensive but still poignant. I guess we will never know for sure. Account (iRk-Kame) is deleted :D Look, I managed to reach S-rank via MS-Paint; did it in less than 30 sec. (not saying that Kame did that)
Who are you and what super power of yours is it that makes trolling boring and cringeworthy?
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On August 10 2020 03:25 GeckoXp wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2020 00:49 ...onmYwaY wrote:On August 09 2020 14:52 Avi-Love wrote:Oh for the sake of clarity I absolutely do not think that they would purposely let Kame win ladder games, that would be way too embarrassing and pathetic. I would never want to throw around such outlandish claims, especially with no evidence at all -- I'm not like Radley. However, there are other ways to interpret what I said, less offensive but still poignant. I guess we will never know for sure. Account (iRk-Kame) is deleted :D Look, I managed to reach S-rank via MS-Paint; did it in less than 30 sec. (not saying that Kame did that) Who are you and what super power of yours is it that makes trolling boring and cringeworthy?
Not sure what you are asking for... birth certificate? Sorry but that's not a question on an open forum.
How are you sure that the screen dump that iRk-Aalm posted is not boring and cringeworthy? Since the account is deleted you can't confirm it can you? that was my point.
If you missed a few pages then I'll summarize it for you; eOnzerg (one of the most talented and hard working players) did this challenge of going S-rank with offrace (while streaming I might add). While he finished as B-rank after one week several people claimed that it's "Ez Pz" or something along those lines; indirectly disrespecting what eOn had achived. Avi-Love pointed out that although they might be good players, they are in no position to claim that since they're well below with their respective main race.
And so... the post went back and forth until iRk-Aalm posted a picture with iRk-Kame reaching S-rank with Zerg (which was not the point of the challenge) and then tried to reverse the proposedly false claims.
My super power is that I've tried to put this thread back on it's track several times while iRk-Kame got banned.
Are we finished talking about this off-topic now?
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ok that post is so fkd up i wasn't even gonna bother but since jokes pass you like ships in the night - people were saying "ez pz" to make fun of eonzerg coz he's the one who said "protoss ez" but ended up in b rank while constantly trash talking people (including us) on stream coz it wasn't ez pz and that hit his ego harder than you cringe.
you and avi are stalking our in game profiles saying we lie about our mmr which we now have proven that we don't and then you say it's inflated mmr, invalid opponents, in house ladder feeding, etc. you two started this stupid shit. i think that might be your super power - you do stupid shit.
you have not made a single post in this thread that has been on topic. now show me your birth certificate so i can confirm you're not a badly programmed bot.
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No it was said it would be easy to get S rank with any race... Then after a long time and many deleted accounts, some guy managed to get S rank with his main... proving what exactly?
It’s ok, brood war is a fucking difficult game. Getting rank A is a great achievement and you guys are really good at the game, there is no doubt about that. But why lie and say stupid shit to appear better than you are?
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how is that a lie? maybe it is easy for him, what do you know? how hard is it to proxy 9/9 gate or go rax rax depo in the center of the map and use superior S rank micro? artosis does 9/9 gate on stream and he is 2k mmr against korean players (100 pts lower than his "legit" terran account) and he's barely trying and has prob yet to reach his peak with that account.
he proved avi wrong coz he said kame was b rank?
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On August 10 2020 06:47 A.Alm wrote: ok that post is so fkd up i wasn't even gonna bother but since jokes pass you like ships in the night - people were saying "ez pz" to make fun of eonzerg coz he's the one who said "protoss ez" but ended up in b rank while constantly trash talking people (including us) on stream coz it wasn't ez pz and that hit his ego harder than you cringe.
you and avi are stalking our in game profiles saying we lie about our mmr which we now have proven that we don't and then you say it's inflated mmr, invalid opponents, in house ladder feeding, etc. you two started this stupid shit. i think that might be your super power - you do stupid shit.
you have not made a single post in this thread that has been on topic. now show me your birth certificate so i can confirm you're not a badly programmed bot.
First: That "Ez Pz" started even before the challenge was up... and I think eOn peaked a bit up in A-rank? Perhaps he just should have stopped and took a screenshot?
Second: Stalking profiles? or fact checking?... or does proving a point only count if the only evidence is a screenshot? Where is my medal? or... my "right to brag"-batch. perhaps?
EDIT! I never said anything about "inflated MMR", "invalid opponents", "in house ladder feed" etc. You have proven your point in a series of screenshots which I proved mean nothing. Why delete the account and the only evidence to your claim? Perhaps if he would have kept it we would have a different conversation? good or bad?
Third: I did not start anything. The first thing I did #151 was to check the facts on Kame statement that the challenge was "Ez Pz" (my god... use the whole keyboard please...)
Forth: I was kind of on topic in my 2nd post #153 when I tried to stop this thread from derailing when I stated that we're all bad depending on what you compare against... meaning that there really is no need to brag or act like an asshole; walk the walk before talk the talk. (if you want to peak eOn then do your bragging in PM to him).
Fifth: who continues to write "stupid shit"? "I missed the start of the game so I left", "I auto leave vs. Koreans", "school starts and its my last day of playing", "I won against S-rank Korean that deleted his account", "my mouse is broken","I would have made S tonight" (with my main race?*), "get lost b*tch", "sing to me", "MAIN post count 317"(eh... what?). Oh.... that was not my quotes, excuses or "stupid shit"... can you find any belonging to you?
...and sixth because you need it. My posts...#155 and #157 are nothing but on topic.
I've acknowledged that you are good players, but not at the level you claim if you go by the stats and facts.
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Oh god, when did this thread stop being funny.
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