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GreenHorizons
United States22727 Posts
On January 09 2019 05:38 GreenHorizons wrote: Bernie's doing a response to Trump, not sure who is going to do it for Democrats yet. Trump sounds like an idiot when he tries to read a speech. Probably still going to sound better than Pelosi and Schumer though. Wow... Democrats are so bad at optics and managed to be more awkward than Trump reading. Bernie's was obvi the best but had it's problems too. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
Has that improved in the last couple of years? I haven't seen anything in the news cycle about it for ages. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22727 Posts
On January 09 2019 14:39 xDaunt wrote: The visuals on the Pelosi/Schumer rebuttal were terrible. And I don’t think that their argument that Trump is fearmongering is not going to go over well when he lays out the stats and the stories of the families who lost loved ones. Did you come to the same conclusion that Trump did that calling a state of emergency was a dimwitted idea? Or are you disappointed he backed down? | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On January 09 2019 14:39 xDaunt wrote: The visuals on the Pelosi/Schumer rebuttal were terrible. And I don’t think that their argument that Trump is fearmongering is not going to go over well when he lays out the stats and the stories of the families who lost loved ones. He’s going to ruin this with a tweet in a couple hours, right? From Stephen Miller: “This is the best night Trump has had in months so of course tomorrow he’s going to wake up and tweet about his dick or something. Seriously, Chuck & Nancy create meme of the year, Acosta had his coworkers laughing at him & AOC goes full “Mom give me back my IPAD” on Maddow. Strap him down, flush the phone and the shutdown ends in two days.” | ||
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
edit: Also, it is not lost on me that Miller thinks the best way to get the government functioning again is to take Trump out of the equation. I commend his realism at least. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22727 Posts
On January 10 2019 00:22 Danglars wrote: He’s going to ruin this with a tweet in a couple hours, right? From Stephen Miller: “This is the best night Trump has had in months so of course tomorrow he’s going to wake up and tweet about his dick or something. Seriously, Chuck & Nancy create meme of the year, Acosta had his coworkers laughing at him & AOC goes full “Mom give me back my IPAD” on Maddow. Strap him down, flush the phone and the shutdown ends in two days.” Well if Miller said it...lol Also funny in the context of Trump literally throwing a tantrum for his toy at the checkout counter (that they offered to buy him on the way in but he refused like a petulant child). | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States22727 Posts
On January 10 2019 00:44 Danglars wrote: I’m a litttle hopeful that it’s Beto vs Trump in the end. Because either way you get a Republican? | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On January 10 2019 00:19 GreenHorizons wrote: Did you come to the same conclusion that Trump did that calling a state of emergency was a dimwitted idea? Or are you disappointed he backed down? What matters is whether Trump gets his wall funding. I'm willing to give him quite a bit of latitude in how he gets there. Obviously, the best result is to get Congress to cave. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22727 Posts
On January 10 2019 00:46 xDaunt wrote: What matters is whether Trump gets his wall funding. I'm willing to give him quite a bit of latitude in how he gets there. Obviously, the best result is to get Congress to cave. He's going to get the same funding he got offered before he had his tantrum though? This is AOC's "Mom give me back my ipad" I guess? | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States22727 Posts
On January 10 2019 01:19 xDaunt wrote: We'll see what he eventually gets. However, I do think that he has deliberately picked this fight with the aim of tarnishing the incoming democrat congress on the issue that they're weak on. Time will tell whether he's successful and whether it was a good idea. Shutting down the government and threatening a state of emergency to get something congress was going to give you anyway is a pathetic way to "tarnish incoming democrats". I've said this a dozen times but Democrats planned on building a barrier and spending billions on border security before Trump even got elected. His petulant manner and careless rhetoric is the only reason he didn't get it signed off on right away with bipartisan support. The idea that whatever Trump gets out of this is a masterstroke of planning neglects the realities that preceded him. | ||
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brian
United States9610 Posts
this is as much leverage as he’ll have for the remainder of this term, is it not? lest he threaten more future shutdowns if he doesn’t get what he wants, which depending on how dems acquiesce or not will be a fairly good indicator of its success as a strategy, insofar as it is one. which is all fairly nonsensical, because like GH said, the dems in congress want this. they just can’t agree on a number. and in typical trump fashion, if it’s not all, it’s nothing. three cheers for democracy. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
It still seems a strange hill to die on to me. He's going to end up taking the 5 billion he was originally offered and calling it a win, which I'm sure will play well to the people who pay no attention beyond what Trump says and - for some reason I can't comprehend - actually believe him, but beyond that what's he gain? It seems increasingly inevitable the Democrats are going to 'win' this, whatever that means, so the longer Trump holds out the worse it's going to look when he caves. If he's so desperate for this shouldn't he go in there and, you know, start making deals? Offer them stuff they want in return for more wall money? | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13750 Posts
As time goes on trump has the advantage as long as democrats don't organize and offer terms publicly for trump to accept that the can't accept. That would turn the impetus on trump to make a deal. Democrats don't present a united front well even before considering people are spoiling for a nomination fight for a presidency they believe they can win easy. Trumps address is also smart as democrats lack the ability to interact with the country on a direct and widespread way. The result shows that someone on trumps team isn't actually incompetent and can playbook well. Unfortunately whoever this operative is is saddled with what may be the worst pure politician to speak of. The 2017 trump is tired, bored, and frustrated. Hes chased out the best of his cabinet and burned any bridge he had with McConnell with vetoing the budget bill. He should never be put in front of a camera in the oval office again. The swamp he came to drain is the only thing keeping the wolves at bay anymore. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On January 10 2019 01:19 xDaunt wrote: We'll see what he eventually gets. However, I do think that he has deliberately picked this fight with the aim of tarnishing the incoming democrat congress on the issue that they're weak on. Time will tell whether he's successful and whether it was a good idea. He should've gone for $50bil at the minimum. $5 bil worth of wall is best measured in yards if you ask me. Granted, it does bait Democrats into rooting in place against it, who would've been happy to take that in exchange for DACA renewal before the judge obviated that deal. So it's mostly a symbolic amount of money against a symbolic stand against immoral pennies. The big question is how many Republican Senators will vocally or behind-the-scenes flinch when it matters for the paycheck. The second big question is how long Trump can stay on message without tweeting something cataclysmically stupid. Whatever combination of forces within the white house that combined to craft & deliver that amazing speech is another unknown factor. I contrast that with Jared & Ivanka's likely agitation against standing firm on this issue. If this is what continues to happen from Trump typifies major GOP Senators, it's a won fight. If more join Cornyn's/Capito's/Thune's skepticism, it's gonna be a harder outcome to predict. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
Not surprising. But what Trump has now done is put the lie to Chuck and Nancy's rebuttal speech last night. He's making all of these negotiations public in a way that typically isn't done, and it's not looking good for his opposition. EDIT: Why is the tweet not displaying properly? | ||
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Sermokala
United States13750 Posts
On January 10 2019 08:28 xDaunt wrote: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1083099784012091396 Not surprising. But what Trump has now done is put the lie to Chuck and Nancy's rebuttal speech last night. He's making all of these negotiations public in a way that typically isn't done, and it's not looking good for his opposition. EDIT: Why is the tweet not displaying properly? The intractability of negotiations doesn't play well if democrats can protray trump as the one refusing to deal. Selling yourself as a dealmaker doesn't work well if you can't make a deal. | ||
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