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I_love_the_drug_LSD
Profile Joined April 2017
4 Posts
January 04 2018 21:12 GMT
#1
Scarlett made her debut playing in female only tournaments which is how she gained a lot of traction for her success. However, I want to ask the community what they think of this. The question is very simple; should Scarlett be allowed to play in Women only tournaments?

Let's review some of the facts:
Men have faster reaction time

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4456887/

Men have better motor control

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3017003/

Men have better spatial cognition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatial_visualization_ability#Gender_differences

These biological, chromosome-oriented differences are just a few of the ones I could come up with. A lot of people might say "what's inbetween your legs won't matter in sc2", however I believe I have proven that the physiological differences between the male and female brain are significant in a game such as StarCraft II.

Letting her compete certainly sounds like the right thing to do, but is it? She dominated in those tournaments and I believe if she was born a female then she would not be as dominant as she is nowadays.

What does TL think?
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-04 21:21:27
January 04 2018 21:20 GMT
#2
meh
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YourFavoriteTerran
Profile Joined November 2017
33 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-04 22:10:58
January 04 2018 21:21 GMT
#3
We all know how the majority feel about this, but the 2-3% of SJWs command the stage-cane.
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
January 04 2018 21:29 GMT
#4
dosent matter
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
January 04 2018 21:37 GMT
#5
Isn't this question wholly academic since there hasn't been a woman only tournament in quite some time?
Ignorant prodigy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States385 Posts
January 04 2018 21:39 GMT
#6
sure
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I_love_the_drug_LSD
Profile Joined April 2017
4 Posts
January 04 2018 21:40 GMT
#7
On January 05 2018 06:37 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Isn't this question wholly academic since there hasn't been a woman only tournament in quite some time?

Seems like you answered your own question.
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-04 21:49:17
January 04 2018 21:48 GMT
#8
This question is easily answered, its up to the the host of said theoretical tournament. If I sponored and hosted a tournament, I can make it all female if I wish. Its my choice, I don't need to justify it to anyone and how I judge gender is also all up to me. How to control that only the above mentioned group is part of the tournament is also totally up to me.

Short answer, its none of your business and its none of my business how other people choose to regulate their tournaments.
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bITt.mAN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Switzerland3693 Posts
January 04 2018 21:51 GMT
#9
This issue is similar to intersex athletes competing as women in the Olympics
Intersex people have a biological sex which is actually unclear / non-binary.

Trans is frequently championed, but intersex isn't.
Trans is change social gender.
Intersex is mix of biological sex.

The simple answer: people who are biologically unclear have stronger grounds than people who are biologically clear (merely socially mixed).

This FAQ from the Intersex Society of North America is a really good resource (again, because trans is made so popular, but people don't know about intersex, which, on some grounds, arguably has greater weight):
http://www.isna.org/faq/
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Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
January 04 2018 21:53 GMT
#10
Why bother bringing up a 6 year-old issue now?
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
January 04 2018 21:55 GMT
#11
On January 05 2018 06:40 I_love_the_drug_LSD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2018 06:37 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Isn't this question wholly academic since there hasn't been a woman only tournament in quite some time?

Seems like you answered your own question.


Kinda

Our game and community must be couple of times bigger in order to have a reason for female only tournaments

Although, in theory there clearly must be separated tournaments as it is in every sports
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12472 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-04 22:11:54
January 04 2018 21:56 GMT
#12
On January 05 2018 06:21 YourFavoriteTerran wrote:
We all know how the majority feel about this, but the 2-3% of SJWs command the stage-cane.


Sounds like the next challenge after you save the terran race, defeat the social justice overlords that have mysteriously overtaken the Starcraft community.
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amyamyamy
Profile Joined November 2017
76 Posts
January 04 2018 21:57 GMT
#13
Women-only tournaments are not competitive anyway so who cares?

If someone wants to host a women-only(whichever way the tournament host chooses to define that), I believe noone is forcing you to watch it.

As for whichever brain-advantage Scarlett may or may not have over biological women, like 99 percent of balance whining, the fail-proof solution is simply to get good.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
January 04 2018 22:03 GMT
#14
This topic will be locked, but here is my answer:

Any notion of physical disadvantage for women vs men or transgender women is completely speculative, involves way too many factors, and can’t be reasonably discussed in this setting without on some level alienating Scarlett, who certainly doesn’t deserve constantly having her legitimancy questioned.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-04 22:05:54
January 04 2018 22:05 GMT
#15
I'd say that Scarlett gathered significantly more 'traction for her success' by consistenly placing high in major tournaments than by winning some minor tourneys, most did not even know about, half a decade ago.
The way your question is phrased, it is purely hypothetical and thus hardly worth talking about.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
January 04 2018 22:12 GMT
#16
I would think she's so much better than the competition, that it may not be sporting to sign up for those in the first place.

And I also think this thread'll be locked.
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KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25658 Posts
January 04 2018 22:14 GMT
#17
This thread is not going to go well.
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