On January 25 2017 08:29 mustaju wrote: I don't see controversy in balance patches. If it turns out awful, people can play the earlier version with a rich legacy. If it turns out great, there could be an influx of interested players.
Using two different versions of games usually ends up with a split fanbase that hate the other side. It's like CS 1.6 and Source. Starcraft might be a bit different since it's such an old game that's almost entirely community-driven but you never know.
Also, I don't see what's wrong with saying Starcraft 1. Especally when talking to a larger audience, the brand Starcraft is a lot more recognized than Brood War I think. And no one plays vanilla SC1 so I don't see who would get confused by it.
It's more like CS 1.5 and CS 1.6. Source was a new engine and vastly different weapon mechanics, much closer to the relationship of BW and SC2.
On January 22 2017 22:36 GeckoXp wrote: Anyone who writes SC1 instead of BW should be repeatedly punched in the face.
i prefer sc or starcraft, i didnt even know what BW meant when i first heard it
Unfortunately, "SC" or "Starcraft" refers to StarCraft 2 by default nowadays.
With the SC2 scene starting to go downhill (pro teams disbanding, etc.) while BW is reviving, that's a lot less true than it was say five years ago. And certainly in Korea, BW never stopped being the default Starcraft.
To me (and I suspect many others), Starcraft 2 = Starcraft 2 or SC2, that's it, no other umbrella names for it really... and of course there are the major release references (WoL, HotS, LotV).
BroodWar = BroodWar, BW, or Starcraft. 'Starcraft 1' just sounds odd, and it's actually kind of annoying when certain casters like Tastosis use the term repeatedly, for whatever reason.
Original SC, without the BW expansion = Vanilla SC or Vanilla Starcraft. Which almost no one plays, so the terminology there isn't really a big deal.
Well, outside of BW dominated communities and even outside of Starcraft communities, I really doubt most people will think of BW instead of SC2 when someone says "Starcraft".
On January 22 2017 22:36 GeckoXp wrote: Anyone who writes SC1 instead of BW should be repeatedly punched in the face.
i prefer sc or starcraft, i didnt even know what BW meant when i first heard it
Unfortunately, "SC" or "Starcraft" refers to StarCraft 2 by default nowadays.
With the SC2 scene starting to go downhill (pro teams disbanding, etc.) while BW is reviving, that's a lot less true than it was say five years ago. And certainly in Korea, BW never stopped being the default Starcraft.
To me (and I suspect many others), Starcraft 2 = Starcraft 2 or SC2, that's it, no other umbrella names for it really... and of course there are the major release references (WoL, HotS, LotV).
BroodWar = BroodWar, BW, or Starcraft. 'Starcraft 1' just sounds odd, and it's actually kind of annoying when certain casters like Tastosis use the term repeatedly, for whatever reason.
Original SC, without the BW expansion = Vanilla SC or Vanilla Starcraft. Which almost no one plays, so the terminology there isn't really a big deal.
Well, outside of BW dominated communities and even outside of Starcraft communities, I really doubt most people will think of BW instead of SC2 when someone says "Starcraft".
Koreans would probably find that assertion amusing.
On January 22 2017 22:36 GeckoXp wrote: Anyone who writes SC1 instead of BW should be repeatedly punched in the face.
i prefer sc or starcraft, i didnt even know what BW meant when i first heard it
Unfortunately, "SC" or "Starcraft" refers to StarCraft 2 by default nowadays.
With the SC2 scene starting to go downhill (pro teams disbanding, etc.) while BW is reviving, that's a lot less true than it was say five years ago. And certainly in Korea, BW never stopped being the default Starcraft.
To me (and I suspect many others), Starcraft 2 = Starcraft 2 or SC2, that's it, no other umbrella names for it really... and of course there are the major release references (WoL, HotS, LotV).
BroodWar = BroodWar, BW, or Starcraft. 'Starcraft 1' just sounds odd, and it's actually kind of annoying when certain casters like Tastosis use the term repeatedly, for whatever reason.
Original SC, without the BW expansion = Vanilla SC or Vanilla Starcraft. Which almost no one plays, so the terminology there isn't really a big deal.
Well, outside of BW dominated communities and even outside of Starcraft communities, I really doubt most people will think of BW instead of SC2 when someone says "Starcraft".
Koreans would probably find that assertion amusing.
On January 22 2017 22:36 GeckoXp wrote: Anyone who writes SC1 instead of BW should be repeatedly punched in the face.
i prefer sc or starcraft, i didnt even know what BW meant when i first heard it
Unfortunately, "SC" or "Starcraft" refers to StarCraft 2 by default nowadays.
With the SC2 scene starting to go downhill (pro teams disbanding, etc.) while BW is reviving, that's a lot less true than it was say five years ago. And certainly in Korea, BW never stopped being the default Starcraft.
To me (and I suspect many others), Starcraft 2 = Starcraft 2 or SC2, that's it, no other umbrella names for it really... and of course there are the major release references (WoL, HotS, LotV).
BroodWar = BroodWar, BW, or Starcraft. 'Starcraft 1' just sounds odd, and it's actually kind of annoying when certain casters like Tastosis use the term repeatedly, for whatever reason.
Original SC, without the BW expansion = Vanilla SC or Vanilla Starcraft. Which almost no one plays, so the terminology there isn't really a big deal.
Well, outside of BW dominated communities and even outside of Starcraft communities, I really doubt most people will think of BW instead of SC2 when someone says "Starcraft".
Koreans would probably find that assertion amusing.
On January 22 2017 21:54 yuben wrote: Has nobody considered that this will be 1.17.0? The patch is public, confirmed real, it was only a compatibility fix. They did the same thing to WC3 and D2.
Yeah but just waiting for a compatibility patch is boring man. Although somehow we found a way to turn it into an argument about the abbreviation we use for the game so who knows.
On January 22 2017 22:36 GeckoXp wrote: Anyone who writes SC1 instead of BW should be repeatedly punched in the face.
i prefer sc or starcraft, i didnt even know what BW meant when i first heard it
Unfortunately, "SC" or "Starcraft" refers to StarCraft 2 by default nowadays.
With the SC2 scene starting to go downhill (pro teams disbanding, etc.) while BW is reviving, that's a lot less true than it was say five years ago. And certainly in Korea, BW never stopped being the default Starcraft.
To me (and I suspect many others), Starcraft 2 = Starcraft 2 or SC2, that's it, no other umbrella names for it really... and of course there are the major release references (WoL, HotS, LotV).
BroodWar = BroodWar, BW, or Starcraft. 'Starcraft 1' just sounds odd, and it's actually kind of annoying when certain casters like Tastosis use the term repeatedly, for whatever reason.
Original SC, without the BW expansion = Vanilla SC or Vanilla Starcraft. Which almost no one plays, so the terminology there isn't really a big deal.
Well, outside of BW dominated communities and even outside of Starcraft communities, I really doubt most people will think of BW instead of SC2 when someone says "Starcraft".
Koreans would probably find that assertion amusing.
"Outside of BW dominated communities."
aka an entire nation.
Yes, outside an entire nation, multiple servers and communities. Which is the point xboi was trying to make, I think.
On January 22 2017 21:54 yuben wrote: Has nobody considered that this will be 1.17.0? The patch is public, confirmed real, it was only a compatibility fix. They did the same thing to WC3 and D2.
Yeah but just waiting for a compatibility patch is boring man. Although somehow we found a way to turn it into an argument about the abbreviation we use for the game so who knows.
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On January 22 2017 22:36 GeckoXp wrote: Anyone who writes SC1 instead of BW should be repeatedly punched in the face.
i prefer sc or starcraft, i didnt even know what BW meant when i first heard it
Unfortunately, "SC" or "Starcraft" refers to StarCraft 2 by default nowadays.
With the SC2 scene starting to go downhill (pro teams disbanding, etc.) while BW is reviving, that's a lot less true than it was say five years ago. And certainly in Korea, BW never stopped being the default Starcraft.
To me (and I suspect many others), Starcraft 2 = Starcraft 2 or SC2, that's it, no other umbrella names for it really... and of course there are the major release references (WoL, HotS, LotV).
BroodWar = BroodWar, BW, or Starcraft. 'Starcraft 1' just sounds odd, and it's actually kind of annoying when certain casters like Tastosis use the term repeatedly, for whatever reason.
Original SC, without the BW expansion = Vanilla SC or Vanilla Starcraft. Which almost no one plays, so the terminology there isn't really a big deal.
Well, outside of BW dominated communities and even outside of Starcraft communities, I really doubt most people will think of BW instead of SC2 when someone says "Starcraft".
Koreans would probably find that assertion amusing.
"Outside of BW dominated communities."
aka an entire nation.
Yes, outside an entire nation, multiple servers and communities. Which is the point xboi was trying to make, I think.
You're looking for "i.e." btw.
Nope... aka stands for 'also known as'. Last I heard, South Korea was an entire nation... though I do hope they and the North reunify someday.
But beyond that, they're almost 50% of BW game sales, and the overwhelming portion of the pro scene/its current equivalent. Don't think we can really label them as 'just another community'... they kind of ARE the scene, to a large extent.
And I'm sure xboi is articulate enough to not need an interpreter. But thanks for your input.
+bug fixes (like ramp blocking units, units stucking while attacking and other annoying bugs) +multiplayer options fixes +mb some buffs to units like: ghost, queen (not broodling part, but mb work on esnare, or add some hp to queen, idk), scout (here it's tricky as scouts are close to being used in some cases, mb vision range upg + some hp/shield + 1 point of ground dmg)
On January 22 2017 22:36 GeckoXp wrote: Anyone who writes SC1 instead of BW should be repeatedly punched in the face.
i prefer sc or starcraft, i didnt even know what BW meant when i first heard it
Unfortunately, "SC" or "Starcraft" refers to StarCraft 2 by default nowadays.
With the SC2 scene starting to go downhill (pro teams disbanding, etc.) while BW is reviving, that's a lot less true than it was say five years ago. And certainly in Korea, BW never stopped being the default Starcraft.
To me (and I suspect many others), Starcraft 2 = Starcraft 2 or SC2, that's it, no other umbrella names for it really... and of course there are the major release references (WoL, HotS, LotV).
BroodWar = BroodWar, BW, or Starcraft. 'Starcraft 1' just sounds odd, and it's actually kind of annoying when certain casters like Tastosis use the term repeatedly, for whatever reason.
Original SC, without the BW expansion = Vanilla SC or Vanilla Starcraft. Which almost no one plays, so the terminology there isn't really a big deal.
Well, outside of BW dominated communities and even outside of Starcraft communities, I really doubt most people will think of BW instead of SC2 when someone says "Starcraft".
Koreans would probably find that assertion amusing.
"Outside of BW dominated communities."
aka an entire nation.
Yes, outside an entire nation, multiple servers and communities. Which is the point xboi was trying to make, I think.
You're looking for "i.e." btw.
Nope... aka stands for 'also known as'. Last I heard, South Korea was an entire nation... though I do hope they and the North reunify someday.
On top of being an entire nation, they're almost 50% of BW game sales, and the overwhelming portion of the pro scene/its current equivalent. Don't think we can really label them as 'just another community'... they kind of ARE the scene, to a large extent.
And I'm sure xboi is articulate enough to not need an interpreter. But thanks for your input.
I quote: "Outside of BW dominated communities." You say: "Also known as an entire nation." That barely makes sense. Please revise.
I am failing to understand how you're failing to understand that OUTSIDE means NOT INCLUDING. Ask the average layman about StarCraft, and they will most likely think of StarCraft 2, OUTSIDE of Korea, TL:BW section, fish, ICCup, your friends, etc. How is this eluding you?
Yes, I know he is. But apparently quoting the articulate thing he said to you was not enough to drive the point home, so when you respond with a poorly constructed retort, I allowed myself to continue the train of thought which I agree upon. Or was I out of line?
Can we just stop with the silly balance discussions... What's the point in starting to experiment after a decade of stableness? One of the main reasons I could accept BW as an actual sport was because of this very stableness. Going around changing stuff to split the community even more... If it was reported correctly, none of the pros want balance changes, and like half the foreign community doesn't want any either.
On January 25 2017 18:39 toriak wrote: usage of scouts and nukes in pro games from 0.1% to 2 -5 %. @koget ''scouts are close to being used'' - when is that ?
enjoy ,like seriously this game was great even if i,,,just watch the video
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