EPTPartinG, the draft dodger - Page 2
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
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Growiel
Korea (South)363 Posts
We have countless stories of American-Koreans who got to Korea for the first time, without knowing they were registered in Korea, and were forced enrolled because they are Korean nationals. If he's using being abroad as an excuse to postpone it, it's not too bad, but if he was actually called to enroll and fled the country, he's in for some bad times when he comes back (and he will). EDIT: Whether people agree with it or not will not change Parting's situation regarding his countries laws. | ||
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R1CH
Netherlands10340 Posts
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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PepsiMaxxxx
Sweden5452 Posts
On December 31 2015 01:18 GreenHealing wrote: Yes, it breaks just about every single articles on human rights declaration. North Korea doesn't care. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On December 31 2015 01:03 bypLy wrote: shame on him avoiding duty for his motherland Hell no, good on him. National service is disgusting. It doesn't matter if there's a weirdo neighbor who keeps threatening to hurt you, nobody should be forced to learn how to fight, let alone fight in a war. | ||
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On December 31 2015 01:20 Growiel wrote: As long as he never enters Korea again, he should be fine. We have countless stories of American-Koreans who got to Korea for the first time, without knowing they were registered in Korea, and were forced enrolled because they are Korean nationals. If he's using being abroad as an excuse to postpone it, it's not too bad, but if he was actually called to enroll and fled the country, he's in for some bad times when he comes back (and he will). EDIT: Whether people agree with it or not will not change Parting's situation regarding his countries laws. This is another story; Amer-Koreans have green cards, while Parting has not. Anyway, normally I do not use F words; but if this is true, he is literally fucked. If someone is convicted dodging his draft, he`ll be sentenced 1 year and 5 months in jail, because Korean law states that people who served more than 1.5 years will be exempted from his duty. (which means the guy still have to serve his duty even after his time.) However, I suppose Parting is not avoiding his duty, because postponing one`s military service is very easy; you can easily delay it up to five years just by taking civil service exam. | ||
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Avorin
Germany46 Posts
On December 31 2015 01:18 GreenHealing wrote: Yes, it breaks just about every single articles on human rights declaration. That is complete and utter nonsense. | ||
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SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
On December 31 2015 01:17 inermis wrote: obligatory miliatary service is a bad idea, military is something more than a job, it should be chosen by you and not be forced upon... This is what everybody think, but if your neighbors want destroy you probably military service is needed... | ||
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The_Masked_Shrimp
425 Posts
On December 31 2015 01:12 GreenHealing wrote: Military conscription is extremely immoral and psychopathic anyway, props for him if thats true. I for one have not agreed anywhere to put my life in danger to defend anything. Its allright that there are some responsibilities, law in general. But there difference between military conscription and laws in general is, that laws are generally meant for the common good of everyone. Conscription has that premise on its very foundation, that some people are expendable(usually men compared to women and stuff like that) and that its somehow okay to violate basic human rights for safety and health and it also violates the equity of genders because men are subjected to this slavery based on gender. Everyone in their right mind would be absolutely against any form of slave army. Your whole argument doesn't matter when your neighbour is a tyrannic dictatorship that would be glad to invade you given the opportunity. Your pinky thoughts may sound cool, but human rights are not some kind of universal acquired thing, if it was not for the armed forces defending it it would not exist. And it's never all black and white. The military service may be two years but it gives a professional background to every korean man since they will learn a normal job beside the military training. But for Parting I don't really understand why he can't do like all the other pro-gamers that postponed it for like 8+ years. I can't believe it's that difficult with so many players doing it. | ||
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BlackZetsu
United States179 Posts
On December 31 2015 01:12 GreenHealing wrote: Military conscription is extremely immoral and psychopathic anyway, props for him if thats true. I for one have not agreed anywhere to put my life in danger to defend anything. Its allright that there are some responsibilities, law in general. But there difference between military conscription and laws in general is, that laws are generally meant for the common good of everyone. Conscription has that premise on its very foundation, that some people are expendable(usually men compared to women and stuff like that) and that its somehow okay to violate basic human rights for safety and health and it also violates the equity of genders because men are subjected to this slavery based on gender. Everyone in their right mind would be absolutely against any form of slave army. I second this. Equally immoral is the massive taxation and propaganda system in developed countries that exploits conflicts among other people to enrich the military industrial complex. | ||
Waxangel
United States33340 Posts
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Carnot
United States2 Posts
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
On December 31 2015 01:30 SuperHofmann wrote: This is what everybody think, but if your neighbors want destroy you probably military service is needed... I'd argue this day and age, there is simply no reason for someone learning to do war, let alone your best 2 years of life. Learning how to shoot people will not help you, when a thermo-nuclear war breaks. Better give proper short education on how to survive rather than fire with rifles for 2 years(lol). Military service mostly consists of being a slave to you superiors(!) anyways. | ||
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GreenHealing
82 Posts
On December 31 2015 01:31 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote: Your whole argument doesn't matter when your neighbour is a tyrannic dictatorship that would be glad to invade you given the opportunity. Your pinky thoughts may sound cool, but human rights are not some kind of universal acquired thing, if it was not for the armed forces defending it it would not exist. And it's never all black and white. The military service may be two years but it gives a professional background to every korean man since they will learn a normal job beside the military training. But for Parting I don't really understand why he can't do like all the other pro-gamers that postponed it for like 8+ years. I can't believe it's that difficult with so many players doing it. If South-Korea, or any country where people live in consider it worth defending with their lives, they will do it. If the existence of nation is based on externally imposed slavery and people would not raise a finger for it in crisis, then that nation deserves to cease to exist. Praising human rights and keeping conscription is severe double standard. Its entirely possible to defend nation with voluntary, professional army/reserve especially with todays warfare. Btw, the worlds most powerful armed forces in the world is based on voluntary enlisting. (pro tip: usa) | ||
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The_Masked_Shrimp
425 Posts
On December 31 2015 01:35 Carnot wrote: With mandatory service in Korea is it possible to do something like civil service instead? If not how likely is it that a person's assignment will be combat related? Also what happens if someone is pursuing something like a graduate degree? Just curious. University studies are like the top legit way to postpone your service, sometimes you can also do your degree and service at the same time, which effectively reduces the time spent on actual military training during the service. And Greenheating, during all serious wars the US also used conscription. And i can assure you they would do it again if under some serious threat of being invaded. Without conscription the world wars would have been lost no questions asked. Human rights are only alive because of it so I don't really see where the double standard is. Sure ideally you don't want it, but during war times when your country's soil is under serious threat, you need it. | ||
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GreenHealing
82 Posts
Only reason why it "technically" doesnt break human rights, is that the nations were smart enough to place a small mention how none of this applies to duties such as conscription. | ||
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GreenHealing
82 Posts
On December 31 2015 01:43 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote: University studies are like the top legit way to postpone your service, sometimes you can also do your degree and service at the same time, which effectively reduces the time spent on actual military training during the service. And Greenheating, during all serious wars the US also used conscription. And i can assure you they would do it again if under some serious threat of being invaded. Maybe so since they have technically laws for conscription, but it doesnt change the fact that we should not fall for that. But realistically, USA probably will never reinstitute draft because it simply isnt really good option. We dont expect people to go into house on fire to save others if that would put them in danger too. Logically, we shouldnt expect that from hundreds of thousands of people in "war". | ||
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On December 31 2015 01:43 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote: University studies are like the top legit way to postpone your service, sometimes you can also do your degree and service at the same time, which effectively reduces the time spent on actual military training during the service. You have to get MSc (and there`s a chance of fail, because some of applicants have Ph.D) if you want to do both at the same time; and your duty time will be extended to 3 yrs. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On December 31 2015 01:06 HoZBlooddrop wrote: isint he like 21? cant he just postpone it like all other pros?! If you're studying you can postpone for quite a while, not sure what the hard cut-off age is... Dodging Korean draft seems like a very serious decision if it's true, as I understand it, it would make him almost unemployable in the future at the very least. Though I'm definitely no expert. I'm not sure how I feel about this being a thread... It seems sort of unlikely that he is really dodging the draft and not, as others have said, postponing it. | ||
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