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On November 03 2016 06:57 GTR wrote:
I've created a Google Form/Spreadsheet for people to help add eachother.

Hopefully this will makes things easier for us to find people for Mythic+ runs and what not as opposed to sifting through 150+ pages of discussion.

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If a moderator could add this as a moderator note at the top it'd be appreciated.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
October 15 2016 04:26 GMT
#3461
I dunno, I'm getting pushed out of guild Mythic+ groups because my spec (Affliction) is weak, I missed 1 raid and that happened to be the raid where we downed the fight we were working on so now I'm 1st on the bench instead of in a raid spot. There's no sign Blizzard is going to be addressing Affliction being a fucking mess in the future, and I fucking hate Demo.

Think I'm done with the game for now...sadly.
chocorush
Profile Joined June 2009
696 Posts
October 15 2016 06:40 GMT
#3462
I feel like most raids are starving for quality range dps if your problem is really just having the wrong spec rather than falling behind in dps. Not sure exactly what your guild situation is, but I'd take a player that learns the right mechanics with the "wrong" spec over a player that's terrible with the right spec as long as the dps is good enough at the end of the day.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-15 10:03:07
October 15 2016 09:46 GMT
#3463
IIRC affliction isnt just weak though, its the worst spec possible out there right now so its not that weird that you get benched if they are aiming for mythic+10 and progression or something.
WriterXiao8~~
InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-15 10:11:56
October 15 2016 10:11 GMT
#3464
I personally would never take someone along that voluntarily does less dps because he doens't like the spec. Hell you can play your spec in pubs or when soloing but when you have 20 people that want to kill a boss and you refuse to play the best build and rather stay arouns tank dps I would tell you to gtfo too. Maybe look for a guild with a more casual approach?
"I just pressed stimpack, and somehow I won the battle" -Flash
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-15 10:36:36
October 15 2016 10:29 GMT
#3465
On October 15 2016 10:50 NonY wrote:
most mythic+ healing issues are solved by having better dps in my experience haha


For sure, most issues in general. Joining some PUG groups with DPS players being lower, tank being way lower, healer doing almost 0 damage instead of helping on trash and 200k DPS on boss opening it's like losing 1-2 entire DPS players

On October 15 2016 19:11 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
I personally would never take someone along that voluntarily does less dps because he doens't like the spec. Hell you can play your spec in pubs or when soloing but when you have 20 people that want to kill a boss and you refuse to play the best build and rather stay arouns tank dps I would tell you to gtfo too. Maybe look for a guild with a more casual approach?


Have been in guilds doing both myself, both work fine. The ones that would have people playing the best specs rather than whatever spec they felt like also usually had other restrictions, some good and some bad (high stress but damn i appriciate it when 100% of the raid has a working microphone rather than 2/3'rds)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
October 15 2016 11:05 GMT
#3466
On October 15 2016 19:29 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2016 10:50 NonY wrote:
most mythic+ healing issues are solved by having better dps in my experience haha


For sure, most issues in general. Joining some PUG groups with DPS players being lower, tank being way lower, healer doing almost 0 damage instead of helping on trash and 200k DPS on boss opening it's like losing 1-2 entire DPS players

Show nested quote +
On October 15 2016 19:11 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
I personally would never take someone along that voluntarily does less dps because he doens't like the spec. Hell you can play your spec in pubs or when soloing but when you have 20 people that want to kill a boss and you refuse to play the best build and rather stay arouns tank dps I would tell you to gtfo too. Maybe look for a guild with a more casual approach?


Have been in guilds doing both myself, both work fine. The ones that would have people playing the best specs rather than whatever spec they felt like also usually had other restrictions, some good and some bad (high stress but damn i appriciate it when 100% of the raid has a working microphone rather than 2/3'rds)


I agree that both work. But i also think people should not be resentful for not having a raid spot because of their choice to play an underpowered sprc.
"I just pressed stimpack, and somehow I won the battle" -Flash
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-15 12:20:54
October 15 2016 11:39 GMT
#3467
I agree, kinda the same for those people with 250k AP - the people who farmed the most have 2.5 million and ~1000 players have ~600k or more on my server. Some don't want to use consumables either. That's fine, but expect a hardcore style guild to recruit more good players & sit you on hard progress fights
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
chocorush
Profile Joined June 2009
696 Posts
October 15 2016 13:38 GMT
#3468
If you're in a hard core guild, the underlying problem is that you're dps fell behind their next worse dps's number. I would say it's a very small minority of guilds that are worth their salt that will bench a person that is performing better than the next worse dps just because of the wrong spec, as there just aren't that many talented dps that aren't already in a top end guild. Especially now because changing specs isn't just a matter of farming new stats, it's essentially time gated by AP.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
October 15 2016 13:54 GMT
#3469
if you can change spec immediately and do more dps, despite having fewer artifact traits and poorly chosen gear, then the fact that you can develop your character to even greater power via gear optimization and AP is another advantage of changing spec, not a disadvantage
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-15 14:01:05
October 15 2016 14:00 GMT
#3470
A pretty talented guy playing affli with bad gear will do 290k on ursoc while a good one with solid gear in destro/demo can hit 350. Different guilds will draw the line at different points - spec, skill, effort all factor into it
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
chocorush
Profile Joined June 2009
696 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-15 14:20:05
October 15 2016 14:19 GMT
#3471
I think we ultimately agree on the same things. My main point is that there are plenty of guilds that are not on the cutting edge that are looking for any competent ranged dps right now, and if he's getting benched for people that are objectively worse than he is just because of spec, then there are progressing guilds that would take him in a heartbeat and appreciate what he brings to the table.

If he's set on being in a cutting edge guild, then obviously a spec switch may be the only thing that can allow him to break into a raid roster.
NeonFlare
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Finland1307 Posts
October 15 2016 14:23 GMT
#3472
So how's everyone's progress so far? I've been playing with friends and their friends and we're working on H Xavius and have been slacking with Mythic+ 7 as our highest with few runs of them so far. Sadly there isn't enough of us on same server to try Mythic version of the raid, cross realm we do generally get around 20 or more people on raids though.

Not sure how much better some class options would be but I tank as Blood and we have generally DH and sometimes Warrior as other tank. I'm still bitter about gutting so much tools from Blood, but at the current level we do stuff it has been enough that it never really feels like I'm the one falling short on making progress.

Overall pretty fun expansion despite the randomness. There's almost always more things to do even though the rewards tend to feel lacking when you get further.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-15 14:51:00
October 15 2016 14:42 GMT
#3473
I think we ultimately agree on the same things. My main point is that there are plenty of guilds that are not on the cutting edge that are looking for any competent ranged dps right now, and if he's getting benched for people that are objectively worse than he is just because of spec, then there are progressing guilds that would take him in a heartbeat and appreciate what he brings to the table.


If you're playing a bad spec but you're 875ilvl, show up 15 mins early with full consumables, get 80'th percentile dmg standard and don't mess up mechanics then there's a lot of value there
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-15 15:00:19
October 15 2016 14:49 GMT
#3474
Honestly, my main problem right now is gear. I've fallen behind ilvl (855 where the rest of my guild is over 860) and have suboptimal stat distributions as well as bad trinkets (2 haste statsticks) simply because I can't get mythic+ groups. It's a self-reinforcing problem. It wouldn't be quite as much of a problem if my spec weren't horrible, but I'm usually 5-7th in DPS. I know we're carrying people that have better gear than me and a good spec but are just bad at the game, which is what's frustrating.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
October 15 2016 14:51 GMT
#3475
On October 15 2016 23:49 deth2munkies wrote:
Honestly, my main problem right now is gear. I've fallen behind ilvl (855 where the rest of my guild is over 860) and have suboptimal stat distributions as well as bad trinkets (2 haste statsticks) simply because I can't get mythic+ groups. It's a self-reinforcing problem.


armory link?
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
October 15 2016 15:02 GMT
#3476
On October 15 2016 23:51 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2016 23:49 deth2munkies wrote:
Honestly, my main problem right now is gear. I've fallen behind ilvl (855 where the rest of my guild is over 860) and have suboptimal stat distributions as well as bad trinkets (2 haste statsticks) simply because I can't get mythic+ groups. It's a self-reinforcing problem.


armory link?

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/doomhammer/Monkeyslayr/simple

The 862 with 856 equipped is because I have 2 865 pieces and an 890 trinket (the shitty one off Ilgyanoth) that are DPS downgrades for affliction according to the sims.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-15 15:14:30
October 15 2016 15:06 GMT
#3477
There are four 840 pieces there, easy pickings to replace w/ crafted gear (obliterum is under 3k ea on my server now) or from m+ runs that you do get into. It's easy to get your two best stats from crafted gear but it's also possible to get 100% of one stat, just very rare - that's excellent for example with crit on fire mages.

865 haste statstick probably isn't that bad (don't know warlock weights but 870 haste one is one of my best trinkets)

You've only cleared most mythic dungeons twice even though we're on like the 7'th reset - just go run the regular mythic dungeons, they give good stuff and they give solid AP and legendary chance. A huge amount of items warforge at least +5 levels or socket even if you don't need much, as well. A bunch of people have done 10x more dungeons than you on at least mythic difficulty, you can see that in the statistics as well as in the amount of AP that you have.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
October 15 2016 15:14 GMT
#3478
On October 16 2016 00:06 Cyro wrote:
There are four 840 pieces there, easy pickings to replace w/ crafted gear (obliterum is under 3k ea on my server now) or from m+ runs that you do get into. It's easy to get your two best stats from crafted gear but it's also possible to get 100% of one stat, just very rare - that's excellent for example with crit on fire mages.

865 haste statstick probably isn't that bad (don't know warlock weights but 870 haste one is one of my best trinkets)

You've only cleared most mythic dungeons twice even though we're on like the 7'th reset - just go run the regular mythic dungeons, they give good stuff and they give solid AP and legendary chance. A huge amount of items warforge at least +5 levels or socket even if you don't need much, as well. Dungeonspammers have done 10, sometimes 20x more mythic / mythic+ dungeons than you


I'm aware, I just have 0 time to play other than raiding and Friday/weekends, the last 2 of which I've had multiple other events I've had to go to. If I can't get groups together in the short time I have to play, I can't run much. Normal mythics are a thing, they're just a pain to pug the 2 I need the most (Court and Arcway).
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-15 16:13:05
October 15 2016 15:18 GMT
#3479
You have to play harder to justify a worse spec and it sounds like you'd have some trouble keeping up with mythic progression even on a better one. If that's your situation then why not progress heroic? We have four difficulties here even if EN is a little undertuned
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
October 15 2016 16:15 GMT
#3480
I think it really depends on your raid group. I personally don't think it should be a huge deal if you are putting in the extra effort to do the damage (I have an Aff lock in our group that does good damage compared to everyone else, but he is one of the few locks that does it well in our guild).

Mythic is tough but its one of the things I see that unless you guys were pushing for high world clears it should be more of playing your class very well. If they are dropping you because of one night then that's kind of messed up if it wasn't clear before that they might be dropping you because of your dps.

My one thing I dislike is people showing up and not putting forth effort. If you put forth effort in a spec you like to play (even if it is not the best) and do good numbers, I would rather have you than someone in a better spec who doesn't put forth effort to play well.

I haven't been in a high progressing guild since TBC though because of choice, but I still put forth the effort of playing as well as I can without breaking myself (I'm not min maxing as much as I could, using cheap enchants (150 instead of 200), dont have 375 food learned yet (lol Nomi burns everything)). I am normally pulling 260-300k on most fights (assa/outlaw rogue 859), but am only 3/7 Heroic with my guild.
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