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I've decided to organize a little mini DRTL, including C- players, it will start on November 1st and run through December 6th.
Two main reasons for this are:
- There is a good amount of downtime before DRTL playoffs start (20th of December) so hopefully this can fill the void and give guys a reason to play some games and get activity going
- To serve as a pilot for a combined D Ranks + C- guys teamleague next season, with a format that avoids pitting guys that can't hit D+ with guys that can almost get to C. If it works smoothly and there is interest, I'd be willing to re-incorporate lower yellow rankers into the league
Format:
5 weeks of Round Robin Play, Bo5 series paired within rank, so players will never face anyone more than one rank ahead of them.
Matches are at 18:00 GMT (+00:00)
Maps
<Fighting Spirit>
<Circuit Breaker>
<Sniper Ridge>
<Destination>
<Matchpoint>
SignUps
If you are playing with a team, please have your captain register and don't post individually. If you do not have a team then post in thread with:
ICCup Name:
Race:
Max Rank:
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Lineups
Week 1
TAKK v Khan
Courage v DeSPA
Week 2
TAKK v Courage
Khan v DeSPA
Week 3
DeSPA v TAKK
Khan v Courage
Week 4
TAKK v Courage
DeSPA v Khan
Week 5
TAKK v DeSPA
Khan v Courage
Week 6
TAKK v Khan
DeSPA v Courage
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On October 21 2014 12:30 LightningStrike wrote:
ICCup Name: Stardom[eMg]
Race: Terran
Max Rank: C-
Please son, read the OP 
On October 21 2014 12:23 L_Master wrote:
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I should be part of TAKK...but i dont know if its still enough team to sign up as one. :/
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On October 21 2014 12:30 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm a idiot.....
I'm an idiot.*
I drooled all over myself writing that.
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On October 21 2014 12:37 DepressedOne wrote:I'm an idiot.* I drooled all over myself writing that.
Haha you have to know Stardom, that's just how he prefers to write. Always uses I, never I'm, and always a instead of an.
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Cool ! Thanks for this LMaster, hopefully this won't become another inactive league.
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On October 21 2014 12:42 GGzerG wrote:
Cool ! Thanks for this LMaster, hopefully this won't become another inactive league.
Well, this one will be short so it shouldn't be a danger there. If I organize another longer league I won't make the mistake of organizing it solo with no one else for support in case I end up really busy. Damn life getting in the way of glorious BW 
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So what is the policy if a team signs up that has in the past been considered almost completely in the C- range (like Courage, for example)?
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On October 21 2014 13:04 Sentenal wrote:
So what is the policy if a team signs up that has in the past been considered almost completely in the C- range (like Courage, for example)?
I guess they have a good chance of winning this thing. ![[image loading]](http://www.chatslang.com/images/shortcuts/skype/bandit.png)
ps: the xtra big bandit is not a mistake >.> its to celebrate the important mark of 1003 posts <.<
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On October 21 2014 13:04 Sentenal wrote:
So what is the policy if a team signs up that has in the past been considered almost completely in the C- range (like Courage, for example)?
We would probably need to get a few D ranks on your team, or else you guys would just have to play the C- only games. This short league is casual so it doesn't really matter, but obviously for the full league taking 2-3 losses guaranteed every time would pretty much be death.
I don't think it would be fair to allow an all C- team to field C- guys versus D guys, no to mention that it can be really frustrating to the D- guys. Which leaves as far as I can initially think of, 3 options:
1)Draft D's onto the team
2)Take the losses, even though that pretty much kills any chance of winning
3)Get teams to field only D+/C- line up specifically against you guys, obviously contigent on them having sufficient D+ to do so.
That's all I can initially think of, and each has problems, so if someone has a more clever solution by all means drop the knowledge bombs on me.
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I dont understand why every team has to be equally good? There will always be a BEST team (just f.e. Real Madrid/Barcelona in La Liga). A league where everyone is equally good, will always be much more boring, than diversity. The tension of a underdog winning against a clear favorite is much more thrilling than X1 winning against X2 winning against X3 winning against X1.
I dont mind Courage being stacked, as long as they are not invincible. And as past DRTL seasons showed, they were not even close to be invincible (still winning 3 or 4 leagues).
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On October 21 2014 15:50 chrisolo wrote:
I dont understand why every team has to be equally good? There will always be a BEST team (just f.e. Real Madrid/Barcelona in La Liga). A league where everyone is equally good, will always be much more boring, than diversity. The tension of a underdog winning against a clear favorite is much more thrilling than X1 winning against X2 winning against X3 winning against X1.
I dont mind Courage being stacked, as long as they are not invincible. And as past DRTL seasons showed, they were not even close to be invincible (still winning 3 or 4 leagues).
Stacked I have no issue with, in fact I agree with you.
My concern, and one expressed by other players, is that a pure C- team cannot field D players against D players. This matters because except for the very rare few that already adore the game at D...it ends up being a massive turnoff getting face stomped by a C- guy on a regular basis.
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Canada11372 Posts
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Courage still has me, the great D- player of the team!
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I dont like the idea of segregating competition any more than necessary. Why should worse players be coddled? As long as their isnt any overwhelming amount of c- players in pool as a whole, D players will primarily be meeting other D rank players. But that shouldnt mean they dont run the risk of getting curb stomped, or perhaps even rise to the occasion and beat someone whos 'better'.
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On October 22 2014 02:47 Dazed_Spy wrote: I dont like the idea of segregating competition any more than necessary. Why should worse players be coddled? As long as their isnt any overwhelming amount of c- players in pool as a whole, D players will primarily be meeting other D rank players. But that shouldnt mean they dont run the risk of getting curb stomped, or perhaps even rise to the occasion and beat someone whos 'better'.
Ratio I'm guessing would be at least 50% C- or better. Just think of last DRTL we played in.
You could call it coddling I guess, but there is a point where skill difference is too great to make the games meaningful. I'm sorry, but neither of us are ever going to lose to player that can't even hit D+. This can be fine for training purposes, but in a league people want to feel like they get to play meaningful games and at least have a remote chance at winning.
That's also why I'm okay with games being within one rank. C- doesn't have to play only C-, but by the time you have C- playing D or D- the result is a foregone conclusion.
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Canada11372 Posts
I don't think it's coddling. It's very difficult to be crushed week after week against opponents you have no reasonable shot against. Once they make it through the awkward D/D- stage, you get solid D+ players. For instance Minsc_andboo.
But when we were talking about how the DRTL worked before (C- players included) vs now, this was Minsc's opinion:
[8/10/2014 3:51:33 PM] minsc_andboo: it was DUMB before. speaking as a fucking d- player
[8/10/2014 3:51:35 PM] minsc_andboo: who was SO BAD
[8/10/2014 3:51:38 PM] minsc_andboo: i didnt get to play
[8/10/2014 3:51:44 PM] Bigfan: why not have more teams then?
[8/10/2014 3:51:45 PM] minsc_andboo: cus we had like 6 good players
[8/10/2014 3:51:56 PM] minsc_andboo: cus you need 1-2 extras
[8/10/2014 3:52:32 PM] minsc_andboo: this change needed to be implemented b4/we needed to switch to a tiered team
[8/10/2014 3:52:39 PM] minsc_andboo: like 3 d ranks /2 c ranks
[8/10/2014 3:52:50 PM] minsc_andboo: when we still had the player base
[8/10/2014 3:52:57 PM] minsc_andboo: i almost quit cus it was so stupid
[8/10/2014 3:53:11 PM] minsc_andboo: i woulda been 0-11 just like falling if i got to play
As someone who has hit D+ once (though not held it), I'm perfectly willing to play against C- players. But there is wide gap between even my skill level and D-. In addition, there are very few people willing to go 0-11 in a league without quitting, but if they can play reasonably competitive matches, we will wind up with a few more D+ players in the long run. Starting BW as cannon fodder for C- can be very depressing. Even the skill gap between D+ and D- is depressingly large.
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I've been beaten by baddies before in these leagues, so would I be allowed to play against D/D- ranks?
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