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AutoEngineer
Profile Joined June 2014
United States97 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-03 03:32:30
August 03 2014 03:27 GMT
#1
Basic definition:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing
Astroturfing is the practice of masking the sponsors of a message or organization (e.g. political, advertising, religious or public relations) to make it appear as though it originates from and is supported by grassroots participant(s). It is a practice intended to give the statements or organizations more credibility by withholding information about the source's financial connection. The term astroturfing is a derivation of AstroTurf, a brand of synthetic carpeting designed to look like natural grass, a play on the word "grassroots." The implication behind the use of the term is that there are no "true" or "natural" grassroots, but rather "fake" or "artificial" support, though some astroturfing operatives defend the practice (see Justification below).


So I've come up with an idea that astroturfing may be helping some companies while damaging others.

For example, I've encountered many anti-Apple YouTube comments and anti-Apple threads on tech forums. The same is true for Samsung, such as anti-Samsung threads. Then these astroturfers will promote other brands, for example, HTC and give artificial comments on YouTube such as "The HTC One is the best smartphone, bla bla bla, soo much better than iPhone" And the comments from the same person will be spammed, "liked" artificially and then commented on artificially with fake YouTube accounts to boost the comment's rank on the YouTube comment feed. I think that some of these may be employees from other companies such as HTC, Motorola, Sony, etc.

People tend to criticize and hate the popular brands and love the less popular brands, which may shift the momentum of industry affected by astroturfing.

I think astroturfing is unethical and undermines the hard work of Apple and Samsung and all these other great companies. I bet millions of Apple iPhones and Samsung Galaxies were not sold due to astroturfing by other companies.

So does astroturfing really influence a company's revenues and profits? What do you guys think?
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
August 03 2014 04:07 GMT
#2
He doth protest too much, methinks.
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Pseudoku
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada1279 Posts
August 03 2014 04:38 GMT
#3
I think you're a bit biased.
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Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
August 03 2014 04:44 GMT
#4
How ironic
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-03 04:51:27
August 03 2014 04:50 GMT
#5
These companies (Apple and Samsung) are doing just fine as it is. They have enough marketshare to not have to worry about marketing schemes by other companies. It prevents monopoly, as well. Also, if you want to protest something and initiate a conversation, use more sources and data than a wikipedia link.
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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5523 Posts
August 03 2014 07:50 GMT
#6
So you think it's unethical to say one company is better than another, more successful company, because of all the hard work the latter company put in to selling plastic that fits in your pocket with like 100% markups to its already huge share of the market?

But it's okay for you to say you like Apple I guess.

And what's wrong with HTC, Sony, or Motorola? I thought you liked them too.
On July 30 2014 17:54 AutoEngineer wrote:
IMO people should stick to Apple, Samsung, LG, Motorola, HTC, etc... companies that can be trusted.

"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
August 03 2014 07:55 GMT
#7
lol lol lol you're either a hired astroturfer yourself, a troll or completely delusional
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CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11575 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-03 10:58:06
August 03 2014 08:08 GMT
#8
This happens quite often as a marketing program, and it is illegal in many places. However it's just very difficult to be able to determine if it is in fact a fake review.

Samsung was sued by the Taiwanese FTC for doing this last year.
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vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3440 Posts
August 03 2014 10:10 GMT
#9
Interesting. The only source is a definition on Wikipedia. Making bold statements from "personal experiences " while provide no source to back them up. Post tone and stance are also very subjective.

Why is it still here?
MoonfireSpam
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1153 Posts
August 03 2014 10:14 GMT
#10
I think it does make a difference if they can hit a critical mass of posts where it starts to sway the opinion of the average person.

It's unethical but that's marketing.
MHT
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1026 Posts
August 03 2014 11:32 GMT
#11
Samsung did just that 2 years ago on teamliquid. Think its more widespread than you think...
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 03 2014 11:35 GMT
#12
I think you should keep your pro-Apple/pro-Samsung campaign in one thread.
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