I guess there's no avoiding the unparalleled drama that's already at hand, so I'm just going to take Mani's advice and make this post. Say what you will, it's already been concluded that bm posts don't affect me at this point. I've also already concluded that there are some of you who will absolutely not care about what I have to say because, well frankly, you won't believe any of it anyways (or it's just not good for gossip). These are the same people who still think Testie hacks and such ~
My name is Adam. I'm the retard that created/maintained Zia's persona online. Someone said I'm 23, but I'm 22. I turn 23 in October. Technically, November 1, but I tortured my mom through Halloween before I was born, so that's what we celebrate it on. I go to school at Chattanooga State Technical Community College (because I'm too poor at the moment to afford the University I want). I'm a journalism major, formerly psychology. I'm taking a break from school at the moment in order to persue a new job and move out with 3 of my friends. I really am the final fantasy geek and metal nerd I made Zia out to be. I am a guitarist/bassist, but not quite as good as I made her out to be. I recently acquired a very expensive GuitarRig program though, so sooner or later, those of you who were interested can hear my material. For those of you who don't care ... sorry you had to read those lines. Anyways, I'm about to get a job at T-Mobile, making enough money to hopefully pull me out of debt for school and bills, where I'll be working 40+ hours a week (well at least I'm praying for overtime). I'll be working as a customer service representative because hey, I know how to work people. I lead a rather normal but boring life. There's nothing particularly exciting about it.
Why did I create Zia? What was the purpose behind it? What fueled me? Why in the world would I go out of my way to do something like this? Well ... the answer is pretty boring. Depression. Extreme depression. In my case, depression fuels creativity. The majority of you will admit that Zia was too good to be true. A lot of people would say the same thing about God. I'm, in no way, comparing Zia to God, so I'm sorry for the horrible analogy, but it's all I could think of at the moment. She was created in January of 2001 (I think), so I was 17 years old then. Her life was modeled after several different people and 2 different things. The picture (listen closely Rek/Baal) is my real life friend who wishes to remain nameless. Yes, she knew I was doing this and just thought it was funny and silly. Several people contributed to her uniqueness in several different ways (some of those people are still unaware), but I was in direct control of her, her development, her background, her attitude, etc. A lot of her character development, background, and attitude was based on real life events, but honestly, a lot of it was bullshit because I thought I was slick enough to tie in some impossible scenarios and make them work. Not slick enough apparantly.
But don't look at me as an animal or a heartless creep. I'm really not. Seeking attention when you're depressed is human nature. It's how we work. Some of us seek it in a much more extreme way. Some of us just do strange things for no reason at all. Some of us don't even do it for attention, but for other purposes. I'm not saying I just desperately wanted attention and that's the sole reason why I kept her around, but I should definitely say that's part of it. Other people do crazy things when they get into certain mindsets or situations. Even our good friend Manifesto7:
Trevor - Manifesto7 says: Trevor - Manifesto7 says: i can, but you have to understand it was never a fair "fight" between you and me Trevor - Manifesto7 says: did you know I once posed as a girl on the internet Trevor - Manifesto7 says: and used the rape story too? Trevor - Manifesto7 says: first year psychology paper
His reasoning was different and his longevity was different, and that may very well be all the difference in the world to most of you, but to those of you who are exclusively focused on the gender bending idea, could you really think low of Mani7 right now? I certainly hope not.
For that matter, I could really knock on some posters, admins, and big-named players. This is not a threat in any way, so please do not take it as such, but those of you who know who you are, you know you've done/said things just as sick and beyond. I'm not trying to use this to justify my actions in any way, and I'm not trying to put the spotlight on others for their mistakes.
But anyways, I'm going to start out fresh. I do wish to continue posting on tl.net because I love the community, regardless of my extreme criticism. I'm sure no one will take me in, but I'm here anyways. I haven't decided exactly what I'm going to do yet, but whatever it is, it won't include messing with anyone's heads. You'll just get simple plain boring Adam. I have made my rounds of apologies, and I'm sure I've missed some people. I was going to completely change my msn, but a lot of people seem to want to keep contact with me. Since that's the case, I've decided not to change it. Therefore, if any of you wish to maintain contact with me or gain a new acquaintance (I guess the 2nd would be the most appropriate for the situation), PM me and I will give you msn. I am genuinely sorry for the deception, and I know that in some cases, there will never be enough apologies or long threads to make up for it.
I am happy to see this post. Over the past week, I have talked to Adam quite a bit about the situation. When I confronted him with the facts, I gave him three options:
1) Come out and tell the truth himself. Clear his mind and start fresh, and honest. This is what I wanted to happen, and it did in the end.
2) Disappear, never come back, find a new smurf, waste 5 years of energy. I definately didn't want this to happen.
3) Continue lying, and force me to post. This is what happened at first, but then it became impossible. So, as of this post, we are back to number one.
Being honest after such a long period of lying is not easy. It feels unnatural. Combine that with the shame and humility of the deeds, and writing the above post took a lot of nerve and guts, when the option of disappearing was very easy and real. I do not know of many people who could stand up to this situation in this way, and be honest after so much deceit.
I feel that Adam is sorry for the hurt he caused people. No matter other people's opinions, there were people who were hurt. IcedEarth still exists, and IcedEarth is Adam. I felt it was necessary for IcedEarth to be re-introduced. Same person, less boobs. Some of you may not want to read any of the posts again, and that is fine. Some of you may feel the need to flame everytime you see the IcedEarth name. That is not fine. If you are looking for a cheap shot, try it elsewhere.
So, take it or leave it, Zia is gone and Adam is here. Cheers
OMG MANI.. Ya everyone does stupid shit, and I said it to you on MSN as well.
Zia made people happy for the most part, so quit saying shit like.. "Oh I knew it!! I knew it!" because you didn't and a lot of the people who talked to zia for years had no clue.
Well there's no denying that most of us, the people you "had" for the last 5 years, will think that it's still pretty weird though. As you seem interested in psychology, you should know this. You don't seem to care too much though.
As people have said, you still did contribute a lot to the community, but in a very weird way. Haha.
I am, in no way, affiliated with Mensrea. I've been trying to figure him/her out for just as long as you guys.
And Cow, I figured it would be a nice time to start being honest. I really don't care for the attention, so you're completely free of being forced to read this thread. Believe it or not, unlike Madcow, I'm not particularly fond of bad attention (which is what I expect a lot of during the coming years, assuming I still play), but I thought this would be a nice step in the right direction. If enough people decide it's not good enough, I guess that's my clue to gtfo. I'm just doing what I think is right.
With what little I've read of "Zia's" posts, I'm pretty impressed with the character you created. She seemed pretty real. For me, it's actually kind of enjoyable to think about.
On September 16 2006 18:23 IcedEarth wrote: And Cow, I figured it would be a nice time to start being honest. I really don't care for the attention, so you're completely free of being forced to read this thread. Believe it or not, unlike Madcow, I'm not particularly fond of bad attention (which is what I expect a lot of during the coming years, assuming I still play), but I thought this would be a nice step in the right direction. If enough people decide it's not good enough, I guess that's my clue to gtfo. I'm just doing what I think is right.
no no no i don't mean this thread obviously, i understand this one
why trust someone who gave a fake persona for 5.5 years? hes just gonna continue lying in the future. Hell hes prob not even giving the full truth now.
Disregarding all the personal info, which is irrelavent as far as I'm concerned, coming out and talking about depression and such is a difficult thing to do.
This was the best thing you could've done given the circumstances.
Good luck Adam. I'm sure you'll find a place for yourself somewhere.
Are you expecting sympathy? Are you expecting people to be like "oh my God -- his life has been so sorrowfull, let's readmit him to the community under 'Adam'!". Almost everyone here doesn't know me, and I've rarely posted, but I've watched your... development here, and now I see what has become of it, people BEGGING to give you money for your tragic accident over you leg..... Why should people GIVE you a chance at all for lying to everyone for so long?
I was lied to by my first 'friend' I met on the internet, and I am thankful for that, because it taught me a lot about internet anonymity, and now I've learn that there are litterally millions of people out there, so if people have lied to me, what's the point of giving them a second chance?
So seriously... You post things like "don't expect to figure me out based on a single internet persona I made up...I am much deeper than that" or whatever. But seriously, that is EXACTLY how we should think of you.
Really sorry, I probably shouldn't hit the post button as I am in not in the right shape for it -- but, honestly... please for the love of God, don't try to make yourself out to be some sort of misunderstood guy, don't try and tell everyone that they "don't understand"
there's only one answer to this:
you're really sick and twisted, you played on MANY people's emotions for YEARS, and lied to them outright. Don't try to pass yourself off as 'normal' ever, because I guarantee you if you ever told someone IRL (who wasn't a major internet person) that you did this, they would shun you for forever and ever.
On September 16 2006 18:52 SoleSteeler wrote: Are you expecting sympathy? Are you expecting people to be like "oh my God -- his life has been so sorrowfull, let's readmit him to the community under 'Adam'!". Almost everyone here doesn't know me, and I've rarely posted, but I've watched your... development here, and now I see what has become of it, people BEGGING to give you money for your tragic accident over you leg..... Why should people GIVE you a chance at all for lying to everyone for so long?
I was lied to by my first 'friend' I met on the internet, and I am thankful for that, because it taught me a lot about internet anonymity, and now I've learn that there are litterally millions of people out there, so if people have lied to me, what's the point of giving them a second chance?
So seriously... You post things like "don't expect to figure me out based on a single internet persona I made up...I am much deeper than that" or whatever. But seriously, that is EXACTLY how we should think of you.
Really sorry, I probably shouldn't hit the post button as I am in not in the right shape for it -- but, honestly... please for the love of God, don't try to make yourself out to be some sort of misunderstood guy, don't try and tell everyone that they "don't understand"
there's only one answer to this:
you're really sick and twisted, you played on MANY people's emotions for YEARS, and lied to them outright. Don't try to pass yourself off as 'normal' ever, because I guarantee you if you ever told someone IRL (who wasn't a major internet person) that you did this, they would shun you for forever and ever.
You clearly didn't read all of my post. And the people who do know about this irl that have absolutely nothing to do with it ... just think I'm bored and silly.
On September 16 2006 18:56 tec27 wrote: Good luck in being readmitted to TL.net's community. Better to come out with the truth now than never, I think.
Clearly I didn't I won't lie to that accusation.
But seriously though.
All I'm saying is:
You've lied to these people for 5.5 years I think you said.
I don't really know what I am saying anymore so I will stop...
but I am trying to make the point that: these people have been lied to for a long, long time. Please don't even try and talk to them anymore. There's lots of different communities on the internet out there. Leave this one and become apart of a new one
:/
Of course, I really don't care, because I never knew you in the first place..
I just think it's kind of silly that you are... posting here still
On September 16 2006 18:56 tec27 wrote: Good luck in being readmitted to TL.net's community. Better to come out with the truth now than never, I think.
Yeah, because admitting after you've been exposed is ooooooooooooooooooh so hard.
So, did you lie to Kentaro/Fisheye and everyone else in pG as well? while you were Zia[pG] ? How did that go? Did they accept you just because you were a "girl" ?
On September 16 2006 18:58 vGl-CoW wrote: yo adam answer my question, it's the only thing i'm actually not getting here
oh shit, sorry dude. Whenever an event came up that depressed me for whatever reason, or that I thought deserved pity, I tied it in with Zia. My friend did get hurt in an accident, but she'll make it. I don't really know how to explain it, but in a nutshell, I just sort of wanted pity for her.
I don't know how everyone else feels, but i think it would be best for him to either leave the community or find a new screen name that is different from IcedEarth, because every time i see that name now i instantly am going to think of this incident and he who caused it. Plus anything he says now is cast under the shadow of this whole fiasco.
Zia: Tell me one amazingly sick thing someone confessed to you (and the person who did it). You can't. Anything they told you ("ROFL I've raped girls no big deal don't cry") was a joke. You're still just whoring for attention wanting people to ask: OMG TELL ME GOSSIP.
RolfzorZz Sounds like I said that to you and am trying to cover my tracks. ROolfl
On September 16 2006 19:06 CaucasianAsian wrote: So, did you lie to Kentaro/Fisheye and everyone else in pG as well? while you were Zia[pG] ? How did that go? Did they accept you just because you were a "girl" ?
There's alot of bleeding hearts on tlnet though so chances are you'll be given a second chance so you can threaten to dish out "dirt" on people that they have probably chosen to tell you in confidence.
I think that was by far the worst part of anything you've done. The mere mention of doing that to people you've already been lying to for 5 years is unforgivable. You're a fucking waste of life and I don't care how much sympathy you garner from stating you were depressed. If you really think galavanting around the internet for 5 years as a girl is the answer to your depression then you should self prescribe some common household cleaners conveniently found under your kitchen sink asap
Perhaps in time you will be worth pity, but not forgiveness
I really don't know what to say, but I can't understand people lying on the internet like that for so long... YEARS is a long time...
But anyway, I hope you've got your life all figured out now, although I think it's stupid that people had to investigate and find out you weren't real before you fessed up though.
Oh yeah. Rpf isn't the lamest person on this forum anymore!!! Rofl, actually I think rpf is kind of cool. Gutsy and fucking determined. He rox me in bed.
Adam, well its nice to finally meet the real person. Although I did think Zia was an actual person, and thought it was neat what you did for the gaming situation for girls, this is saddening to hear. Its like a person that we had grown to know over the years, through PGT admin, pro gaming teams, and myspace, is just another character in a book. Im glad you let us know who you really are and your motives behind, although I dont approve of them (obvisouly). Anyways, best of luck to you, I hope you run your life in a different fashion now and may the community one day find you to make up what you have destroyed.
On September 16 2006 18:17 fanta[Rn] wrote: hello Adam, welcome to this community
If I was a mod, this post would read: "Hello Adam, fuck you Adam, good bye Adam".
And ip ban.
Based on which broken commandment?
I would say numbers:
2. "Do unto others as they would do unto you" I don't think that includes playing with their minds as if relationships with other people are games.
3."Think before posting" Was icedearth thinking? Yes. Was he thinking clearly about the consequences of his actions? No. And i think theres a line in there that that says something about not being a Freud everytime someone posts, and i think that applies to a bunch of people posting as well. I keep hearing that IcedEarth is mentally insane. Thats really not cool guys.
4. "Respect your ID" I think this goes without saying.
While I applaud Manifesto7 & Tl's compassion on dealing with this and there giving you a second chance. Adam, you should just move on.
All evidence we have is that you are a compulsive/pathological liar, and that's not going to change just because you give up your zia personality. Compulsive liars don't stop lying even when they are confronted over and over - they just change their lies. This means we are going to continue to get negative drama from you.
We cannot trust what you say, and will have no basis for it ever changing. Here's a few of your statments so far since its come out.
"You have absolutely no idea how much crazy fucking work it took. I tried explaining to a few people already without much success. Just know that it was a disgusting amount of work, and in the end, we couldn't keep her going due to real life circumstances (school, work, responsibilities, etc)."
(paraphrased) "Others were involved, i just won't tell you who yet".
From what I can piece together, it wasn't that you couldn't keep her going, it was TL doing an IP search & exposing the lie based on your larger & larger fabrications. You denied it to them, then asked to just disappear without dealing with the lies, then finally decided to "come clean".
Regarding telling stories ... "I can't. Too many people would tell admins, which would result in my banning. That seems to be the popular verdict as well, so I think I'll just keep them to myself. ... For now."
Great, so what you have to offer instead of your invented stories & life is rumors & gossip about other members of the community - from a known liar.
Hey, add me on MSN if you like peter@anachronistic.net
Unlike most people here (apparently), I'm not furious. Actually I would say my biggest feeling is one of being impressed I can never smurf that long, I always fuck it up early on and reveal who I am
Also, when I was like 14 I pretended to be a girl online periodically (not on BW though). And no, I'm not gay :o
No seriously. I didn't even interact with the guy but if you lie for 5,5 years then that means you pretty much can't belive him ever again. What use does the community have for a poster like that? I know something about pretending to be a girl, because I get confused as one about 3 times a day on b.net (Kitten is to long so it becomes Kitty on b.net) but I don't pretend to be one. I did it one on RvS but it freaked me out after a few days (and it was mostly because I picked the name Felicia from SPF:T) so I had to change my nick.
I was deeply moved by the last post about the knee injury. It made me rethink how I look upon life (how incredibly lucky I've been and hope to be) and it sucks to know that someone just made that up because they wanted to get a kick out of the responses. I visit TL.net because it's one of the most honest boards there is out there. I'd like to keep it that way.
On September 16 2006 19:25 testpat wrote: While I applaud Manifesto7 & Tl's compassion on dealing with this and there giving you a second chance. Adam, you should just move on.
All evidence we have is that you are a compulsive/pathological liar, and that's not going to change just because you give up your zia personality. Compulsive liars don't stop lying even when they are confronted over and over - they just change their lies. This means we are going to continue to get negative drama from you.
We cannot trust what you say, and will have no basis for it ever changing. Here's a few of your statments so far since its come out.
"You have absolutely no idea how much crazy fucking work it took. I tried explaining to a few people already without much success. Just know that it was a disgusting amount of work, and in the end, we couldn't keep her going due to real life circumstances (school, work, responsibilities, etc)."
(paraphrased) "Others were involved, i just won't tell you who yet".
From what I can piece together, it wasn't that you couldn't keep her going, it was TL doing an IP search & exposing the lie based on your larger & larger fabrications. You denied it to them, then asked to just disappear without dealing with the lies, then finally decided to "come clean".
Regarding telling stories ... "I can't. Too many people would tell admins, which would result in my banning. That seems to be the popular verdict as well, so I think I'll just keep them to myself. ... For now."
Great, so what you have to offer instead of your invented stories & life is rumors & gossip about other members of the community - from a known liar.
Don't let the shit people are giving you right now bother you, Adam. Teamliquid has forgiven people who've hacked, and even come once again to respect them. What you've done is pretty minor compared to what they had done.
On September 16 2006 19:33 Drowsy wrote: Don't let the shit people are giving you right now bother you, Adam. Teamliquid has forgiven people who've hacked, and even come once again to respect them. What you've done is pretty minor compared to what they had done.
No. No it's not.
And teamliquid used to hate testie until not long ago (about half at least), and he was banned manymanymany times, it took years before people forgave him.
On September 16 2006 19:06 -_- wrote: Zia: Tell me one amazingly sick thing someone confessed to you (and the person who did it). You can't. Anything they told you ("ROFL I've raped girls no big deal don't cry") was a joke. You're still just whoring for attention wanting people to ask: OMG TELL ME GOSSIP.
RolfzorZz Sounds like I said that to you and am trying to cover my tracks. ROolfl
LOL. Don't be an idiot.
I'll bet IcedEarth has more gossip about people than anyone else in the community. Do you want to know why I think this is true? Simple: the same reason that "Zia" became popular in the first place.
I mean seriously, Zia[pG] was a decent SC player next to most people who post here, but good enough for pG? For ToT? No.
The fact of the matter is that most guys are incapable of thinking about girls without getting their dicks involved, even if the conversation is completely nonsexual. And that said, sit a typical b.net guy down with a girl and suddenly he's acting like he's on drugs. Most people here aren't entirely satisfied with their real lives, so they escape not only into the videogame, but into an online persona that lives in the videogame world. And if TL.netters are honest with themselves, they will admit it freely. Many gamers are so deep into this escapism that they are not socially adjusted to the real world and anyone who thinks of Battle.net for socialization purposes immediately falls into this category, and if they don't admit it, then they aren't just lying to me (and I really don't give a fuck) but they are lying to themselves.
And that is why all of you care what gender IcedEarth is. That is why if IcedEarth is a guy then IcedEarth is just another schmuck, but if IcedEarth is a girl, then "I think I'm in love." The fact that this Adam character was clever enough to make Zia into the dream girl of the typical B.net gamer only did more to play off of that.
So yes, I bet IcedEarth has more gossip than Rekrul. And that's despite the fact that Rekrul goes drinking with people (and we all know that when beer goes in, the truth comes out).
What happened to the other thread Mani did? This story is becoming more and more unbelievable, i don't believe the "let's start all over again with me being me" thing can work that easy as if nothing happened, but who knows, this is already so crazy.
On September 16 2006 19:33 Drowsy wrote: Don't let the shit people are giving you right now bother you, Adam. Teamliquid has forgiven people who've hacked, and even come once again to respect them. What you've done is pretty minor compared to what they had done.
No. No it's not.
And teamliquid used to hate testie until not long ago (about half at least), and he was banned manymanymany times, it took years before people forgave him.
I can only hope you are joking--
No, I still hate testie. I meant trek. Err... let me rephrase that, I don't like testie because he's cocky, not just because he hakced. aDFSADF I have no idea, the point is that if you aren't an asshole like testie, they will forgive you, Adam.
I understand the instinct to forgive, but please, read his post. He is totally sick in my opinion:
Hi, I did something sociopathic and decieved you for 5 1/2 years, btw did you know that I'm about to work at T Mobile and love long walks on the beach?
Though I didn't "know Zia," I think that you guys are being toyed with once again. He's already getting celebrity and attention via this post, and frankly, I don't want to be fucked with. I totally feel a part of me wanting to join the chorus of "hmm. Welcome Adam." But really, I don't think that his sociopathy has really ended just because one character was exposed... It was really intensifying, with the posts about her not being able to walk etc., not fading out. He was exposed against his will and told to make this post, it's not like he is turning himself in or something.
Just think a bit before you agree to participate in something like this AGAIN.
On September 16 2006 20:06 LetMeBeWithYou wrote: Second chances are stupid, especially at this crap
You dont get it. This isn't a second chance for Zia. Zia is dead, hacked into little pieces by reality. This is a first chance for Adam. You dont have to like it, that is fine. Just ignore it. There are 25000 other members on the site you can read.
Hmm. Well this's been an interesting bunch of events. I don't post here often enough to actually know you or Zia at all. I've got a lot of empathy for anyone who deviates from the gender norms, the trans community, etc. I have no idea how much of that is in any way related to your motivation for doing this, but regardless I'm no stranger to people doing such things.
The car accident thread though.... That was a pretty shitty move bud. The internet is a wonderful way to help supplement your life, but that was a bit much. I honestly felt horrible that things like that could happen to someone who seemed to have such a positive view of life.
Regardless, I never knew you one way or the other, so welcome I supose. I won't really hold anything against you, though future claims will probably be taken with a grain of salt or two.
The attention will never die. This forum account will always be linked to the half decade mangina fiasco no matter what you think. If you wanted to be free from this you'd make a new account and start over completely.
The reality is "Adam" just wants the attention from being the guy who pretended to be a girl now. Nothing has changed and you're not helping him with his problem of needing the attention his parents never gave him by encouraging him to make posts like this.
You'd be doing him a far bigger favor if you just banned him.
On September 16 2006 19:11 -_- wrote: Oh yeah. Rpf isn't the lamest person on this forum anymore!!! Rofl, actually I think rpf is kind of cool. Gutsy and fucking determined. He rox me in bed.
I never was one of the worst people on here. I'm smarter than a majority of you.
Why are people so understanding? Whatever happened to the good old forks and torches? Seriously I can't even begin to describe how pathetic this tale sounds. So let me get this straight.
Some guy poses as a girl for 5.5 years while becoming TL.net and BW's sweetheart. Then someone finally exposes him for his duplicity and twists his arm towards the truth. Then every person on this website suddenly have a truck-load of opinions on the matter (most of them never even spoke to the "girl".) Then the guy finally comes clean in an heart-warming monologue about his failed and depressive youth and need of recognition and other BS.
Now what is wrong with this picture? Just about everything. From what I've read in this thread, everyone seems to have puppies and hugs in them. I mean come on, why the hell would most of you understand IT, praise IT and almost kneel before IT for this hoax. It sure is impressive that someone would be able to hold a personna for so long but impressive doesn't nescessarily means good. I think it's impressive that someone can be so bored and mentally disturbed. 5.5 years of trolling is in my opinion, far beyond pretending. I'm sure he flirted once or twice with a dildo during his journey towards e-fame.
Your Zia caracter was, from what I read in the other thread, a disturbed young woman who somehow found her comfort into video gaming, metal and porno. Was that REALLY a side of the character you created? Or was it just some twisted way to cheat yourself into believing that you were actually being honest with the people you tricked? I know what you're going to say : "Hey, every guy loves these things!" Yeah I know we do, but think about it. If you were to create a female personna and try to make it seem as real as possible, would you involve her with FF, porn-stars and all the other incredible thing "Zia" did? The answer is no. In order to really want to create a believable personna and still catch the attention of the other males, you have to ask yourself this question : "Would my character be able to handle the never-ending excitement of being herself?" If the answer is no, then you've created another Zia.
Someone who knew about the events of "her" life and still believed "she" was real is either stupide, or incredibly naïve.
By the way I'm almost in tears when I hear the encouragement and warm welcomes to this Adam. No I'm not touched, I'm disgusted. I can't even begin to imagine how totally bogus it is. Would you welcome a liar with open-arms? Last time I checked, this forum wasn't filled with priests. So please peoples, stop acting like you're one of them.
And PLEASE, people, stop referring to this as GOSSIP. The BW gossips should be "Mondragon was caught hacking during some tournament bla bla bla... (obviously not true, just making a point here)" <<<< THAT'S video game gossip. A guy pretending to be girl for 5.5 years isn't a gossip, it's just incredibly wrong and sad.
I like you because you ally the obs when you play team games.
I dislike you because you deceived people and toyed with their feelings (especially eri) for years. You intentionally made many people feel sad for you multiple times. Doing it just once is arguably not that big of a deal: even Mani did it once. But the fact that you did it again and again shows that you didn't feel much or any remorse for fooling people and lying to them: on the contrary, you were definitely enjoying it in some perverse way, and wanted to do it more and more.
His reasoning was different and his longevity was different, and that may very well be all the difference in the world to most of you, but to those of you who are exclusively focused on the gender bending idea, could you really think low of Mani7 right now? I certainly hope not.
For that matter, I could really knock on some posters, admins, and big-named players. This is not a threat in any way, so please do not take it as such, but those of you who know who you are, you know you've done/said things just as sick and beyond. I'm not trying to use this to justify my actions in any way, and I'm not trying to put the spotlight on others for their mistakes.
Furthermore, you do not take full responsibility for your actions: you try to explain it as a natural thing to do (so how come none of the other depressed people I know are lying and deceiving everyone around them?). You even have the audacity to claim that all of us have also done comparable acts of harm and deceit, and you try to bring Mani down to your own level as well. That is not true remorse: that is you trying to partially justify your actions.
You also threaten to reveal damaging secrets about other players (and let's be frank: what you said is blackmail and you know it). You even try to intimidate our staff in this way.
In my opinion, you are a very selfish, disturbing, and morally-corrupt individual who will inflict suffering on any number of people to fulfill his desires. Your confession and apology are transparent and they reek of the same self-justification as Ekii's attempt. Then you go beyond what he did and directly threaten our members and administrators. For me, this is unnacceptable. You should be banned for your threats, then IP-banned because, as I see it, there is not a single mental barrier in your head that is stopping you from repeating this all over again.
On September 16 2006 19:11 -_- wrote: Oh yeah. Rpf isn't the lamest person on this forum anymore!!! Rofl, actually I think rpf is kind of cool. Gutsy and fucking determined. He rox me in bed.
I never was one of the worst people on here. I'm smarter than a majority of you.
Octopuss--I see your points, but I think the reason why so many people are so willing to accept Adam here is because they're so fucking confused, yet curious. For example, he and I have talked off an on on MSN despite the fact I'm annoyed with him. I think on some level some of us have some trouble separating him from her. At first I admit I did--when I IM'd him, it seemed unreal how his emotes and everything were the ones I was used to getting from "Zia." But now I've accepted that this kid really is just a big liar. I don't hate him. For whatever reason a handful of people here were convinced I was in love with "Zia," but seeing as how I was never really attached I can't really be all that upset.
I'm actually mad at Eri, who as someone in such a huge position (given he's one of the best foreign BW players, and has such a reputation in this community), would lie to all of us...for no reason.
Any time I doubted Zia being real, I'd remember all the stuff that Eri and "she" had supposedly done together. "Why would Eri lie to the thousands of us?" I'd remind myself.
Some people are getting really worked over this. This is the internet folks. All kinds of stupid, silly, disturbing, funny things happen on the internet.
Adam is a human being. Adam did what he did and had his reasons to do so. If you don't agree with his reasons, to each his own. This is just the internet, I hope none of your lives are now ruined because some internet "girl" turned out to be a guy.
So we all got duped for a few years, I frankly dont even care at all. Lighten up.
im not in anyway angry or happy you admitted. The only thing you deserve for being such an idiot is indiference. You probably , like someone said , suffer of compulsive lieing. One thing is lieing in stupid meaningless things over the internet , which im probably sure most of us did (strafe is a virgin , Wow is a pedo).. but lieing about you having an accident is unforgiveable. So , all i can say is go fuck yourself.
On September 16 2006 20:56 rpf289 wrote: Octopuss--I see your points, but I think the reason why so many people are so willing to accept Adam here is because they're so fucking confused, yet curious. For example, he and I have talked off an on on MSN despite the fact I'm annoyed with him. I think on some level some of us have some trouble separating him from her. At first I admit I did--when I IM'd him, it seemed unreal how his emotes and everything were the ones I was used to getting from "Zia." But now I've accepted that this kid really is just a big liar. I don't hate him. For whatever reason a handful of people here were convinced I was in love with "Zia," but seeing as how I was never really attached I can't really be all that upset.
It just reinforces my point. The "personna" he created was himself, with a vagina and tall tales.
For that matter, I could really knock on some posters, admins, and big-named players. This is not a threat in any way, so please do not take it as such, but those of you who know who you are, you know you've done/said things just as sick and beyond. I'm not trying to use this to justify my actions in any way, and I'm not trying to put the spotlight on others for their mistakes.
So you know what you said looks like a threat, looks like you are trying to justify what you did, and looks like you are trying to bring others down to your own level.
But if it is none of these things, then what is it?
On September 16 2006 19:11 -_- wrote: Oh yeah. Rpf isn't the lamest person on this forum anymore!!! Rofl, actually I think rpf is kind of cool. Gutsy and fucking determined. He rox me in bed.
I never was one of the worst people on here. I'm smarter than a majority of you.
I'm trying to remember what I told "Zia." Lots of pretty useless shit, to be perfectly honest. I flamed lots of posters here, but then again I did that to their "faces," so to speak, anyhow. Other than that I can't think of much. "She" did say I was cute, though. Oh, gross.
On September 16 2006 20:06 LetMeBeWithYou wrote: Second chances are stupid, especially at this crap
You dont get it. This isn't a second chance for Zia. Zia is dead, hacked into little pieces by reality. This is a first chance for Adam.
That's fairly naive. Zia is Adam. Adam is Zia. Just because that persona was very much untrue, doesn't mean the person behind it wasn't responsible for it. So hackers, the next time you guys get caught, don't ask for a second chance, just pretend like your username was a fake persona and then come back as "the real you." That Testie guy sure was dishonest, but you guys aren't even giving Nick Perentesis from Canada a chance! But even if you are unable to see this simple logic, even the real Adam has lied when confronted with this. Claiming to be three people etc. In fact, there were several discrepancies in the stories he told to each of us, that you didn't notice until I pointed them out. I guess that would make it a 3rd chance then? He obviously has no remorse other than the fact that he was caught. He obviously would have continued his charades if he wasn't caught. He has even boasted about the claim that he has "other projects." None of them in the BW community, but he has told me about some of the stuff he has started on other games. This thread is nothing but damage control. He loves attention. Now he can safely maintain that level of attention, not as Zia, but this time as the kid that had enough wit to trick everyone. It would be extremely gullible to believe that the dozens of people messaging him on MSN are all receiving the same story. The story of Adam will be untruthful. The story of Zia will be revised, exaggerated, and retold in many different versions. And the story of 'Adam as Zia' will also be exaggerated and dishonest.
Another thing fellas, it's not "impressive." Impressive would be if he had the wit to pull this off, without the help of anyone else. NOBODY would have bought any of this if they weren't under the belief that he met Eri in real life. It didn't take a genius, it took a really sick, demented, probably homosexual individual to pull this off.
To clarify, I'm not disagreeing with Mani on ANYTHING other than the comment "this is a first chance." I do think he should be allowed back into the TL community. Eri is the person that should be the most upset, and he is actually amused by this. And no, he's not just pretending to be..
P.S. Bill, I really doubt he has any leverage to blackmail people. I know as much about him as he knows about anyone else. I don't think he wants his myspace page, the myspace pages of his friends and family, his home address, his last name, or any other stuff of the sorts plastered all over this website. He saw what TL.net did to Mani, and they did that out of love hahaha
Edit: But I pretty sure that most if not all of the opening post of this thread is true, so maybe he is sincere. Either way, heeds needs help -- a lot of it
Is there no end to this guy's wrath? First he fools us all into thinking he's a girl. Now, with all the controversy he's made, he overwhelms our server with traffic and slows TLnet to a crawl!
NOW HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO LEARN FASTEST VANILLA OR HEAR THE HAPPY DOTA SONG?!
(Seriously though what he did was terrible. But now that I've said my mind and reached a decision, I don't intend to keep thinking about it. . rpf you should do the same. )
(And seriously TLnet is soooo slow right now. But probably not because of this post.)
If I was a mod, this post would read: "Hello Adam, fuck you Adam, good bye Adam".
And ip ban.
brought to you by common sense in the best interests of a fine forum. doesn't this place have enough e-drama without smurfing, cyber-transexual, habitually lying sociopaths? ban please. then let's move on and if it wants to come back and post, fine, but do it without the sensationalism (which is all this thread is about). it has apologised to all those required privately, as said. so ban, cleanse the boards, and move on.
On September 16 2006 18:39 CultureMisfits wrote: why trust someone who gave a fake persona for 5.5 years? hes just gonna continue lying in the future. Hell hes prob not even giving the full truth now.
Ban this fuck asap
you are-not-forced to read his threads. Dont want to read lies? dont read his threads. im not saying you're a lier tho adamn, hopefully you can revindicate
ahyou werent kidding. the motives were quite the let down. whatever.
personally i dont have any kind of grudge or anything, nothing at all. hi adam. i feel bad that FA and Bill are so impassioned with hate or whatever. i have mad respect for both of them and have to assume they have a very valid reason for it. all the rest of the peolpe saying "FUCK YOU GET BANNED" i think should stfu. you probably have no reason for it at all. but im really stoned so ill come back tomorrow<3
the fact that you've said so much feminine shit in the context of posing as a woman for 5 years is just fucking too much.
i really don't care if you post here or not, whatever, but deep down inside, i personally will always believe you're not all there.
T-Mobile sucks, always get drops, fuck
edit: now that you're admitting you're in fact, sausage, how will your relationship be with eri, blackjack, nony, etc (you used to constantly flirt with these dudes. )
By thunder I can only smurf on Sorrow_eyes for about 1000 posts and damn you did 5.5 years and 3.5k posts! Respect!!
Well, to topic... Say TL.net can potentially be unfriendly at times, ppl here are kinda like jagged rocks, see, closed on each other and you gotta find a crevice between the rocks that would suit you. You did. You were a soft girl that fitted in every crevice there is, and alot of rocks were hugging you O so tight. but now ur a man and suddenly all those rocks who embraced you will try to fucking crush you to powders :p
But anyways, I think you should try to post under Adam now... I abandoned all my smurfs and I am Evan and evanthebouncy alone, not sorrow_eyes. WHen I started post under a new account, I swear it feels different. It feels new. Your account has too much lingering memories that are stale in the fume. Start a new account m8.
To all the haters out there. If you feel angry toward adam that's because you got totoally manipulated by him and now when he shows the truth ur angry. Don't be angry, after all he had you for such a long time, you should be throughly impressed.
Finally... Do not think Internet is a permanent resting place for your thoughts, you go on Internet to "Have fun" or to "Share fun". Realistically, the internet could do very little to ease your pains and depressions, and by creating a smurf you're running away from yourself.
I didn't get invovled much with "Zia," but I knew "she" has been around for a while and obviously thought it was real. When I read the leg story I felt so much pity, but now that I realize that she doesnt even exist, it's kind of disturbing. Now, the people that got really involved, it's much more devastating. Why would someone do that? Well I guess people do crazy things when depressed.
I have never been giving a shit about anything around "Zia", but this last thread with the injury.. Man saying that someone maybe can't walk for the rest of your life (imaginary friend lol) this is so wrong and twisted. Unbelievable ...
"Adam" is saddest person ever for making this up, drone just as sad for being the stupidest person in the world, the rest that thought they were talking to a girl just gullible/stupid.
do your real life friends(if any) know youve been pretending to be a girl for 5 and 1/2 years online ? and having online relationships while doing it ?
I vote ban. I'm usually all for mercy but Adam isn't showing signs of remorse, everything has been a defense mechanism. I understand that that's human nature but what he did was extraordinarily wrong (I'm not personally boo-hooing, but just thinking about what he did to Eri makes me sick I don't care if Eri's fine... most people wouldn't be, it's just inhumane). When you do something extraordinarily wrong you can't just play it cool. This isn't even an apology this is just a defense.
While Adam did come clean in some regards, it was only under compulsion and after getting caught in more lies. He fought this until the well was run dry of options.
If you want back into the community, Adam, it had better be under a new name so we can meet you and interact with you without the Zia baggage. Honestly.
On September 16 2006 23:33 evanthebouncy~ wrote: To all the haters out there. If you feel angry toward adam that's because you got totoally manipulated by him and now when he shows the truth ur angry. Don't be angry, after all he had you for such a long time, you should be throughly impressed.
I hardly knew Zia. But unlike so many people here, I don't need to be hurt directly to recognize when someone does something as immoral as this and react appropriately.
I bet that 90% of you guys who aren't mad would be extremely pissed off if you were in Eri's position. Funny how everything he does is fine so long as it doesn't affect you. To you, I just have to ask: why is it okay that he did it to Eri, but if he played with your heart, made you fall in love, and feel depressed for months because Zia is depressed, you would all of a sudden react differently? Because he's the same guy in both cases isn't he?
What irks me the most is that a few of the people welcoming Adam are people I know and respect. Because honestly, if it wasn't for them, I would just categorize that whole group of people as idiots -_- (seriously, how can you guys not care about what he did??).
I mean, I know some people don't see what he did as being particularly bad. And I probably wouldn't get along very well with those people if I got to know them really well. But there are others whom I expected to know better -_-. It's pretty unsettling to discover otherwise.
Eri has already said how over it he is, and how he laughed at it, bill. Eri is a good person and it seems this has maybe made him an even better person. and Eri lied in order to make sure "zia" still existed. (i dont mean to use that as a bad thing.) if being angry at IcedEarth would make Eri any happier i'd be all for it too. but it wont. i think he's doing pretty damn well.
i would be pissed if eri was pissed, but after reading through the other thread it seems as though he's come out a better person as a whole, and is alright with it. so i don't care.
On September 17 2006 00:13 Gene wrote: Eri has already said how over it he is, and how he laughed at it, bill. Eri is a good person and it seems this has maybe made him an even better person. and Eri lied in order to make sure "zia" still existed. (i dont mean to use that as a bad thing.) if being angry at IcedEarth would make Eri any happier i'd be all for it too. but it wont. i think he's doing pretty damn well.
That's because Eri is very happy and forgiving. But the vast majority of people are not.
Tell me, why do you think attempted murder is illegal? I mean, if no one actually got hurt, then by your logic, you would be just fine with it right?
The funniest thing here is that if I were female posing as a male for years, and I just told everyone I was actually female, the result would probably be all extremely positive.
Actually no, the funniest thing is the legions of people that had nothing in the world to do with Zia bitching at me like I killed their families. Realistically guys, I doubt I will be getting "help". And I've been "remorseless" in this thread because (as I've said before) I have already made my apologies to several people who deserve it over MSN and PMs.
I wasn't affected by Zia or knew this guy in any way, but I think this sheds light on the sexual double standard and how a "depressed" boy manipulated it successfully to receive acceptance on teamliquid. I'm pretty sure if he came out initally as a man, he would have done poorly for himself. His incentives and motives are therefore obvious.
I think rpf111 is a retard regardless of his fetish for Zia, and this just makes me laugh harder. I thought Adam would have the sense to just leave, but I realize he's addicted to this website and would kill himself without it (he's incapable of actually suiciding but he would go crazy, seeing how his life is shit).
What's with the anti-Chinese shit? Get gangbanged by 3 guys when you were young? This probably isn't far from the truth - with all of your "getting crippled" and "getting raped" stories, you are at heart an attention whore and a compulsively liar.
Usually kids go through your phases, if they do at all during early-mid teens - I had parent problems and felt attention-whorey like you at 14-15. But seriously GUY, grow up. I hesitate to add homosexual flames becuase you make gays look bad. I know you're reading every reply in this thread, so read this:
You are so weak that you posed as a girl in your cravings for approval. You lived a lie FOR OVER FOUR YEARS and are continuing to lie just so that other guys will like you. You are truly pathetic.
I know you're going to try to play it off as in "you were just making shit up for flavor", and "obviously I have a good social life lols", but some of us in teamliquid are not that stupid. I know how pathetic and disgusting you truly are.
On September 17 2006 00:24 Gene wrote: you're comparing apples and oranges. nobody was going to get killed here.
Raping someone and putting them through utter hell and emotional despair are both wrong, correct?
Suppose a guy rapes a girl, and at first she feels terrible, but a few months later she forgives him and isn't bothered by it anymore. Does that mean what he did was just fine?
This situation is analogous to that.
The fact that he was willing to do such a horrible thing is what makes him guilty. And however much Eriador benefitted from the experience, I'm pretty sure it is grossly outweighed by how morally-reprehensible Adam's actions were. (and for all we know, Eri might have benefitted even more from something else had Adam not done this to him)
Also, I think the teamliquid community would love for you to post a picture. People jump on Fayth - I would LOVE to see their comments about you. No pressure though - no need for you to lie and post a picture of your "friend".
bill, messing with someones emotions is in no way comparable to any physical harm. there's a reason dumping people isnt illegal. stop being irrational. im not going to try to defend what he did, it was stupid. it was by no means the right thing to do. as a matter of fact i do not believe Eri walked away from it unscathed at all. the fact of the matter is where were you then? there's no fixing the past, Eri has gotten over it and is a better person for it. which goes back to the fact that noone is a better person after getting raped, still not analogous at all. but being irate NOW doesnt do ANYONE any good.
putting a rapist behind bars 5 years later still does a whole world of good. again, apples and oranges still.
exalted just leave it at that, don't toy with this creature. I'm going to bed, work tomorrow. I'm not gonna open up this thread tomorrow either, it's getting old. Guy is very fucked up in the head.
Well Adam, I'm sorry to hear that this is how it is, and I'm even more saddened by the way people are reacting to it. It shouldn't matter whether or not you have a penis, and if these people were half consistent with their "you should treat girls and guys the same" philosophy, then it wouldn't have even mattered. I am sitting here trying to understand why you'd do this. Why you would go the trouble of maintaining a female persona, and making people believe you were a girl. I'm sure it was one of those "high-end" thought occurances that due to the nature of your upbringing feel compelled to act upon.
What did it feel like to know that each of the friends you've made that are male wanted to fuck you more with each word they typed? What did it feel like manipulating peoples emotions and hurting them? Some of the TeamLiquidians posted some very heartfelt stuff in the "Adam = never walking again" thread. I remember one said that you were like a bigger sister. What did it feel like when he said that? I am simply trying to understand the situation better, Adam.
As a conclusion to all this however, I want to end off with an important message.
You're still fucking sexy to me, and if you feel like maintaining another female persona, you add LoGiC5467 to your AIM buddy list, you sexy bitch. Atleast now, when I work my moves on you, there is no need for a strap on. We should meet up sometime for casual sex. Maybe pizza. Maybe we can invite Eri, depending on how much sausage he can put up with. Are you kinky? Oh, I'm so hot, even if you don't want to maintain a female persona you just add LoGiC5467 for some good times baby. I welcome the emotional damage, I'm a sick fuck. Don't hesitate to slide your hairy, wet ass around my throbbing appendage, don't worry about it, I'm not like these other guys. I'll fuck you over, and over again, I'll spread your virgin ass so far you'll be shitting soup cans. I'll give you my phone number, it's 334-5644, I live in Canada so you'll have to dial 403.
I want to caress your tight, muscular body. I want you so bad.
I see your name on MSN right now. You signed in. It's nice that you didn't block me. I really fucking like you. My hands are shaking as I write this.
I'm still here for you, and I want to help you with your problems.
God dammnit Mani, i were going to make this thread, but in a much more flamboyant flashy bashing and humillating way, a way only i can pull off :3
I gotta say i knew that Zia was fake a long time ago, when she tried to spit so many bullshit to me like "omg i know the drummer of kataklysm, and targa taught me how to sing" i were like what the fuck is wrong with the patological lying bitch so i considering her whole identity being fake.
Then "she" tried to tell me she was a porn star, and that she loved anal sex, ffs... that was ridiculously obvious and he probably wanted to get caught in his lies because i obvioulsy wouldnt fall for that.
Im kinda mad not to that poor gay bastard but to Eri... what in the fuck man?, why did you kept all this bullshit for so long, you backed up his stories and stuff you have always loved comedy but this really wasnt a big prank, it was just a sickening shit and you being involved so deep in it makes me kind of angry with you, not like you care anyway but i had to say it.
I find very very very disturbing you are studing phsychology... for fucks sake, you are a very disturbed individual yourself, and i cant imagine you giving advice to people, its sickening, get help.
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like 3 years ago when i played brodwar there was a "girl" nicknamed SAKURA, eveybody tought she was a girl bla bla bla.. long story short that guy kept the lie for years... WCG argentina... he turns out to be one ugly mother fucker, who is obviously gay... sick shit, all latin players might remember him.
Its quite obvious Adam is gay or has some sexual issues, ithink more should pay him a visit and "hovZ" him in his very own special way. ( unlubed anal fuck fest if you didnt get it)
Fair enough, fair enough. I applaud your desire to be honest (at least for now). I won't say anything bad, because you don't deserve insults, but you should really look into a haircut, unless you feel that's integral to your style.
I feel worse for the guys you have flirted with who now realize that you are a big, hairy man.
On September 17 2006 00:43 Gene wrote: bill, messing with someones emotions is in no way comparable to any physical harm. there's a reason dumping people isnt illegal.
Okay, I'm not arguing with you after this. First of all, did I say Adam should be arrested? No, I just said it was wrong, just like physical harm is wrong. In that way they are comparable.
Unless you are telling me emotional harm is not a problem? But if he did this to you, you would feel outraged, I assume?
On September 17 2006 00:43 Gene wrote: which goes back to the fact that noone is a better person after getting raped, still not analogous at all.
I already accounted for Eri being better off: I said it was negligible in comparison.
On September 17 2006 00:43 Gene wrote: putting a rapist behind bars 5 years later still does a whole world of good.
You don't think any good comes from rejecting people after they do such a terrible thing as this? So what do you foresee happening if no one is ever socially rejected or penalized for severely hurting others emotionally? Would everything be just fine?
edit - actually Bill the extra traffic is because we got linked to cafe daum. Zia wasn't that popular :p I would like to know what daum is murdering us for though.
If I make a new post, I wonder how many people will refresh the last page to see what I wrote.
Edit: Damn, now there are actually new posts for people to read. I lost my chance.
Edit2: "actually Bill the extra traffic is because we got linked to cafe daum" You mean they posted a link to one of our pages? That's pretty cool, actually . It's like, we're in pain because of it, yet it makes us happy. Website bondage.
On September 16 2006 18:17 fanta[Rn] wrote: hello Adam, welcome to this community
If I was a mod, this post would read: "Hello Adam, fuck you Adam, good bye Adam".
And ip ban.
Based on which broken commandment?
I would say numbers:
2. "Do unto others as they would do unto you" I don't think that includes playing with their minds as if relationships with other people are games.
3."Think before posting" Was icedearth thinking? Yes. Was he thinking clearly about the consequences of his actions? No. And i think theres a line in there that that says something about not being a Freud everytime someone posts, and i think that applies to a bunch of people posting as well. I keep hearing that IcedEarth is mentally insane. Thats really not cool guys.
4. "Respect your ID" I think this goes without saying.
This is just dissapointing. A stupid guy acting like a girl over the internet is bad. Then making up stories how he'll never be able to walk... is really bad. I can't imagine acting like a girl for 5.5 years and making up stories. That is one fucked up individual. I can understand how eri wouldn't want to say anything because... well... this is extremely embarrasing. But he was very naive for believing all that garbage that zia said.
I once believed a girl on the internet. It was a girl and only lived 3 hours away. I met her twice, but she always made up stories to make others feel sorry for her. I did feel sorry for her at first, but once I realized how fucked up she was I ended talking to her. She told me she was going to kill herself, and I just told her to fuck off. She's still living btw. (Killing herself wouldn't have mattered to me though)
I know it won't matter to you, but fuck you adam. Your apologies arent' accepted, and you are trash. I give you no credit for "coming out with the truth" because something like this should have never happened. This is extremely pathetic.
God i cant even start about how rude you are. You wasted our time, you made a figure we all thought. I'm not sure what youre thinking about how okay what u did was but its not okay. I dont care, thats just plain inconsiderate. Why couldnt u get a job? Did u not have any friends. Go smoke weed or some shit, roll a couple of blunts, anything normal. You dont come online and waste 12983712985 peoples hrs. I dunno bout u but we were thinking about u everytime we go on tl and u amke a post. Youre someone, and the character you made was very thought provoking (Congrats you succeeded!! Want a medal?!?!?! perhaps a million dollars, a million bitches, a million friends?)
Uhh thats called cheating. You're name is so horrible its not even worth mentioning your real name anymore, you dont deserve any respect from anyone. I dont think i have ever hated anyone so dumb before online. I mean ive encountered stupid kids online, smack talking etc, but nothing comes close to the betrayal of a friendship/hero/sister/idol... Well zia wasnt my idol but she was a figure i did admire (again congrats... rubbing it in).
Now let me ask you this, how has millions of people extremely angry at you make you feel? Does it make you feel complete? Has your task been finished way beyond your mark of extreme satisfactory expectation? How bad of a person can u get?
The list is infinite I cant even think which else to add.
All I knew about Zia (Adam) was that (s)he was Eriador's (boy)girlfriend and was supposedly very good at vulture micro. So is your vulture micro really that good? Post some replays please.
On September 16 2006 18:09 IcedEarth wrote: I guess there's no avoiding the unparalleled drama that's already at hand, so I'm just going to take Mani's advice and make this post. Say what you will, it's already been concluded that bm posts don't affect me at this point. I've also already concluded that there are some of you who will absolutely not care about what I have to say because, well frankly, you won't believe any of it anyways (or it's just not good for gossip). These are the same people who still think Testie hacks and such ~
My name is Adam. I'm the retard that created/maintained Zia's persona online. Someone said I'm 23, but I'm 22. I turn 23 in October. Technically, November 1, but I tortured my mom through Halloween before I was born, so that's what we celebrate it on. I go to school at Chattanooga State Technical Community College (because I'm too poor at the moment to afford the University I want). I'm a journalism major, formerly psychology. I'm taking a break from school at the moment in order to persue a new job and move out with 3 of my friends. I really am the final fantasy geek and metal nerd I made Zia out to be. I am a guitarist/bassist, but not quite as good as I made her out to be. I recently acquired a very expensive GuitarRig program though, so sooner or later, those of you who were interested can hear my material. For those of you who don't care ... sorry you had to read those lines. Anyways, I'm about to get a job at T-Mobile, making enough money to hopefully pull me out of debt for school and bills, where I'll be working 40+ hours a week (well at least I'm praying for overtime). I'll be working as a customer service representative because hey, I know how to work people. I lead a rather normal but boring life. There's nothing particularly exciting about it.
Why did I create Zia? What was the purpose behind it? What fueled me? Why in the world would I go out of my way to do something like this? Well ... the answer is pretty boring. Depression. Extreme depression. In my case, depression fuels creativity. The majority of you will admit that Zia was too good to be true. A lot of people would say the same thing about God. I'm, in no way, comparing Zia to God, so I'm sorry for the horrible analogy, but it's all I could think of at the moment. She was created in January of 2001 (I think), so I was 17 years old then. Her life was modeled after several different people and 2 different things. The picture (listen closely Rek/Baal) is my real life friend who wishes to remain nameless. Yes, she knew I was doing this and just thought it was funny and silly. Several people contributed to her uniqueness in several different ways (some of those people are still unaware), but I was in direct control of her, her development, her background, her attitude, etc. A lot of her character development, background, and attitude was based on real life events, but honestly, a lot of it was bullshit because I thought I was slick enough to tie in some impossible scenarios and make them work. Not slick enough apparantly.
But don't look at me as an animal or a heartless creep. I'm really not. Seeking attention when you're depressed is human nature. It's how we work. Some of us seek it in a much more extreme way. Some of us just do strange things for no reason at all. Some of us don't even do it for attention, but for other purposes. I'm not saying I just desperately wanted attention and that's the sole reason why I kept her around, but I should definitely say that's part of it. Other people do crazy things when they get into certain mindsets or situations. Even our good friend Manifesto7:
Trevor - Manifesto7 says: Trevor - Manifesto7 says: i can, but you have to understand it was never a fair "fight" between you and me Trevor - Manifesto7 says: did you know I once posed as a girl on the internet Trevor - Manifesto7 says: and used the rape story too? Trevor - Manifesto7 says: first year psychology paper
His reasoning was different and his longevity was different, and that may very well be all the difference in the world to most of you, but to those of you who are exclusively focused on the gender bending idea, could you really think low of Mani7 right now? I certainly hope not.
For that matter, I could really knock on some posters, admins, and big-named players. This is not a threat in any way, so please do not take it as such, but those of you who know who you are, you know you've done/said things just as sick and beyond. I'm not trying to use this to justify my actions in any way, and I'm not trying to put the spotlight on others for their mistakes.
But anyways, I'm going to start out fresh. I do wish to continue posting on tl.net because I love the community, regardless of my extreme criticism. I'm sure no one will take me in, but I'm here anyways. I haven't decided exactly what I'm going to do yet, but whatever it is, it won't include messing with anyone's heads. You'll just get simple plain boring Adam. I have made my rounds of apologies, and I'm sure I've missed some people. I was going to completely change my msn, but a lot of people seem to want to keep contact with me. Since that's the case, I've decided not to change it. Therefore, if any of you wish to maintain contact with me or gain a new acquaintance (I guess the 2nd would be the most appropriate for the situation), PM me and I will give you msn. I am genuinely sorry for the deception, and I know that in some cases, there will never be enough apologies or long threads to make up for it.
Honestly who cares. It's obvious most of you oogled over the pictures of his friend which he used as opposed to the persona he played. Just like he said if it was a girl acting as a guy you'd all be doing backflips and asking for pictures.
Regardless, he's the same person and doesn't need to be persecuted for it. It's not like there aren't some of you who act different online as opposed to how you act in real life.
You know, the more I think about this, the more it amazes me just how inconsiderate Adam must be about other people to be able to pull off something that extreme and for that length of time.
I mean, can you picture yourself lying to Eriador and making him feel depressed? Repeatedly? What I do is, I imagine myself deceiving him and intentionally making him feel worried and sad, sucking the joy out of someone who always seems so cheerful otherwise. And it makes me sick.
Some people say they're impressed with what he did. But honestly, if you did this to Eriador, would you be impressed with yourself?
On September 17 2006 02:09 BrutalMenace wrote: bad grammar hyperbole
Wow man, chill. Millions of people haven't been affected, 203842472347 hours haven't been wasted..."you're" anger should really be directed towards a more constructive outlet. Based on your post I think its obvious why you looked up to Zia, lmao.
With that said, Zia is still a pile of [fat] shit.
What made you create the whole "I may never walk again" thing? Will you continue to play BW? Are you still in oG)? Will you and BJ still 2v2? Why hate Into the Moat?
"Hi, my name is Adam and I'm an addict" - "Hi, Adam"...
On a more serious note: I don't really care about Zia being Adam, I never talked to "Zia" and I didn't really gave it much thought at any time. To sum up what I think I knew about "Zia": Girl, has met Drone, likes Metal, decent at BW at least in 2v2. That should be about it.
I do have one question to you Adam though, simply out of curiosity. When you at first created the Zia character did you ever imagine you would keep it up for so long? Or did you think it would rather be a fun thing for a couple of days/weeks/... but then it just played out differently?
On September 17 2006 00:00 mnm wrote: ilvy, ur my new female sc compadre.. talk to me..
;D
I am fully with Bill. I do not like liar and i do not care what reason you had for. Your own bad life does not justify to treat others with lies. If some ppl accept you you could be lucky , but some will not forgive you, and this is good, even if you do not care.
On September 16 2006 20:52 Bill307 wrote: Hi Adam.
I like you because you ally the obs when you play team games.
I dislike you because you deceived people and toyed with their feelings (especially eri) for years. You intentionally made many people feel sad for you multiple times. Doing it just once is arguably not that big of a deal: even Mani did it once. But the fact that you did it again and again shows that you didn't feel much or any remorse for fooling people and lying to them: on the contrary, you were definitely enjoying it in some perverse way, and wanted to do it more and more.
His reasoning was different and his longevity was different, and that may very well be all the difference in the world to most of you, but to those of you who are exclusively focused on the gender bending idea, could you really think low of Mani7 right now? I certainly hope not.
For that matter, I could really knock on some posters, admins, and big-named players. This is not a threat in any way, so please do not take it as such, but those of you who know who you are, you know you've done/said things just as sick and beyond. I'm not trying to use this to justify my actions in any way, and I'm not trying to put the spotlight on others for their mistakes.
Furthermore, you do not take full responsibility for your actions: you try to explain it as a natural thing to do (so how come none of the other depressed people I know are lying and deceiving everyone around them?). You even have the audacity to claim that all of us have also done comparable acts of harm and deceit, and you try to bring Mani down to your own level as well. That is not true remorse: that is you trying to partially justify your actions.
You also threaten to reveal damaging secrets about other players (and let's be frank: what you said is blackmail and you know it). You even try to intimidate our staff in this way.
In my opinion, you are a very selfish, disturbing, and morally-corrupt individual who will inflict suffering on any number of people to fulfill his desires. Your confession and apology are transparent and they reek of the same self-justification as Ekii's attempt. Then you go beyond what he did and directly threaten our members and administrators. For me, this is unnacceptable. You should be banned for your threats, then IP-banned because, as I see it, there is not a single mental barrier in your head that is stopping you from repeating this all over again.
It is impossible to say it any better than this. I totally agree. Good post!
Fuck no. Why the hell would you wanna ban him? These are the kinds of badasses we need in our community. So what he took a lot of you for a spin, he's still a funny dood and even better, he's a muh fuckn badass con man. SOLD. I am your biggest fan now.
He took everyone for a spin and that makes him awesome in my books. I for one will never look at FakeSteve the same. Or RPF or Hot_Bid... LOL ahahahaha you horny gullible bastards.
apparently you cant tell the difference between a prank (faking to be a girl cybering, like that ninja dude and his wizard robe) and sickening twisted mentally disturbed behaviou for 5 years.
On September 17 2006 03:54 SuperJongMan wrote: He took everyone for a spin and that makes him awesome in my books. I for one will never look at FakeSteve the same. .
we forgot the part where fakesteve pieced this together while he was on staff didnt we jong
On September 17 2006 03:59 baal wrote: apparently you cant tell the difference between a prank (faking to be a girl cybering, like that ninja dude and his wizard robe) and sickening twisted mentally disturbed behaviou for 5 years.
i would love him to reveal dirty secrets tho :3
he can't, why do u think he was mysteriously let off the hook?
and the only legitimate excuse for this masquerading is that he came down with a bad case of gayness after watching the complete fourth season of will and grace.
This is not any worse than when you've been hanging out with your friend for years, then he comes out from the closet (no this have not happened to me, just something i quikly made up:o). Theres nothing to be ashamed of! Better later than never, I hope your not anymore depressed Adam, and welcome to the community and no lies this time (never heard of you tho i heard you pretented being a finnish girl, and i readed something you wrote in finnish and it absolutely made no sence. funny ^^)
...Although your lies did not affect me personally in any way, there are better ways with dealing with depression. In finding a way to express yourself, you've hurt other people that thought they new you. Please, get a life.
Yea, and I'm sure his not the only one who has pretented being a girl over the internet, but so long time. Nice work your a talented liar :D so many guys here treats girls online way more friendlier than boys, dunno why the hell..?
Some people are getting really worked over this. This is the internet folks. All kinds of stupid, silly, disturbing, funny things happen on the internet.
Adam is a human being. Adam did what he did and had his reasons to do so. If you don't agree with his reasons, to each his own. This is just the internet, I hope none of your lives are now ruined because some internet "girl" turned out to be a guy.
So we all got duped for a few years, I frankly dont even care at all. Lighten up.
Teamliquid drama at its best.
I think so too,
and words of Emlary: "TL.net is too innocent." (something along those lines at least...)
Meh, big post I wrote didn't appear cause of lag..
No, this person didn't confess, regardless of what the first post looks like - no one should be forgiven when they only confess/apoligize after they've been proven as liars and are only doing it to save face -_-
At least not at once.
And no, this person, even if forgiven, should not be allowed to stay.
I don't hate it, I am, however, really disappointed in the attitude of most people in this thread.. I talked to 'it' like twice? I don't feel betrayed, I don't feel hurt etc, but someone who did what this wanker did, shouldn't be kept around.
I can only assume you all think it would be cute to have a madman as a pet or something..
I gotta say I agree with Bill completely. It's like any publicity is good publicity for IcedEarth and that is what I find disturbing. You keep reloading the thread and give your I-really-dont-care-and-it's-not-a-big-deal flavored messages, but truth is it SHOULD be a big deal to you because I seriously think you have problems, invisible for yourself. No matter what you say, you are a complete whore for attention and you have absolutely zero credibility. And I say this while personally not being involved with you at all. But I care about principles.
The way this has transpired makes me think of the ending of "The Truman show", where in the last scene of the movie you see two people watching the last episode after everything has been revealed, and after everything is over they just say "ok what else is on?" and switch channels as if nothing has really happened and they just get on with it. That's what you're doing as well and if I had ever had ANY involvement with you on MSN or on tl.net I would be ignoring you from now on. In a world that relies on written words alone, trust is a serious issue and being that you have put on a charade for FIVE YEARS, you are a complete tool in my eyes with no regard for other people. Your only goal seems to be getting attention and that makes you a weak-minded person. Like someone else said, you should be thankful Eri is who he is and was able to laugh it off. Have you got any idea how much potential damage you could have caused him, and anyone else you dragged into your lies?
I like internet drama as much as the next person, but the way you're playing around in your own dirt right now is sickening and has me feeling no respect for you at all. You're the lowest of the lowest. Please drive through.
Hello Adam. I would like to congratule you because of this Zia character you invented. You manage it very well for 5 years fooling people around really believeing in it and even getting eri in love with that character (i think you should apologise to him). That is not easy to do. You invested alot of time in this character, and work out just fine. I believe you can be a gifted writer. Why don't you try and write a nuvel, a story, a book. It would surely get you out of that state of depression.
On September 17 2006 05:14 Stygg wrote: I gotta say I agree with Bill completely. It's like any publicity is good publicity for IcedEarth and that is what I find disturbing. You keep reloading the thread and give your I-really-dont-care-and-it's-not-a-big-deal flavored messages, but truth is it SHOULD be a big deal to you because I seriously think you have problems, invisible for yourself. No matter what you say, you are a complete whore for attention and you have absolutely zero credibility. And I say this while personally not being involved with you at all. But I care about principles.
The way this has transpired makes me think of the ending of "The Truman show", where in the last scene of the movie you see two people watching the last episode after everything has been revealed, and after everything is over they just say "ok what else is on?" and switch channels as if nothing has really happened and they just get on with it. That's what you're doing as well and if I had ever had ANY involvement with you on MSN or on tl.net I would be ignoring you from now on. In a world that relies on written words alone, trust is a serious issue and being that you have put on a charade for FIVE YEARS, you are a complete tool in my eyes with no regard for other people. Your only goal seems to be getting attention and that makes you a weak-minded person. Like someone else said, you should be thankful Eri is who he is and was able to laugh it off. Have you got any idea how much potential damage you could have caused him, and anyone else you dragged into your lies?
I like internet drama as much as the next person, but the way you're playing around in your own dirt right now is sickening and has me feeling no respect for you at all. You're the lowest of the lowest. Please drive through.
I would like to congratulate you because you are a totally retarded douchebag.
for fucks sake how do you dare to congratulate the fucker about "developing" a character, what part of this sicko kept that thing for over 5 years dont you get you retard?
and then you talk about how eri fell for him what in the fuck do you know with 259 posts, get the fuck out, id ban you for being such a retard, yeah i bet he can be a great writer because someone who can come up with the rape story (for fucks sake could you get a lil less cliche -.-) has a future in writing... Shakepear get the hell out of the way because adam has been born!
adam wants cock. its too obvious. no deep analyses are necessary. adam wants to gobble big fat cocks. adam is craving for massive cock. adam is a homo from tennessee with desires to walk around in tight pants.
What I don't get now is why is this still going on? Why is this "female-factor" still so strong? So it's a guy who's been posing as a girl - just another one on the internet. If all he wants is attention and you're so against it - why are you giving it to him?
Maybe I do have it easy having never ever spoken to Zia before or caring to know who he/she is, but I seriously believe you guys should just let it go. Close thread, ban this guy's account, let him make a new one for all I care, or whatever... JLIG.
On September 17 2006 05:48 Mynock wrote: What I don't get now is why is this still going on? Why is this "female-factor" still so strong? So it's a guy who's been posing as a girl - just another one on the internet. If all he wants is attention and you're so against it - why are you giving it to him?
Maybe I do have it easy having never ever spoken to Zia before or caring to know who he/she is, but I seriously believe you guys should just let it go. Close thread, ban this guy's account, let him make a new one for all I care, or whatever... JLIG.
-Mynock
I agree, but even though it's counter-productive to give him more attention, it's a little much to ask that all tl.net members refrain from posting their thoughts on something as twisted as this. It's a big thing after all and it raises questions about internet anonymity among other things. There's really no way past it, this will be an endless topic of discussion for months to come, as much as it pains me to say so because villain will get what he wants.
Yes, welcome. You're exactly the kind of member that this site needs. I'm sure everyone will overlook the fact that you pretended to be a girl and lied to everyone for the past 5 and a half years.
While I don't know you and never had anything to do with your Zia character, I still feel obligated to say that you can do us all a gigantic favor and go fuck yourself. You don't joke around with the idea of not being able to walk again, especially when you post that as a false persona that everyone around here seemed to know on a personal level.
On September 17 2006 05:48 {ToT}Strafe wrote: adam wants cock. its too obvious. no deep analyses are necessary. adam wants to gobble big fat cocks. adam is craving for massive cock. adam is a homo from tennessee with desires to walk around in tight pants.
So now this is a case for Mora.
Yeah, fairly fucked up what Zia did...in fact it's really fucked up.
What was the next step? You were going to create a new account and tell everyone that you were a close & personal friend of Zia and she died? Then create another account and blend in as 'Adam'?
It's easy to see this isn't even a joke...it may not be strange that bouts of depression caused you to create the persona if it was a self-satisfying mission to overcome the depression in some way. What's worse is the fact that you continued on using the persona...and roping more and more people into your way of thinking/'life'.
The majority of your posts are just normal posts that could have been made by anyone...and that's ok...it has nothing to do with your identity or real life if we look at your posts objectively. But when you start making them more serious, enough to change peoples feelings/emotions and inflict 'concern' or worry on other people then it becomes a case of serious fraud.
Your entire existence isn't fraudulent with regards to the material in a lot of your posts, the interests you have & the music you like. But the thing is most people here aren't pretending to be something they aren't.
As soon as people start getting interested in giving you money/support based off the conversations they've had on the internet and the person they believe they 'know', then you know it's time to stop.
Although you have woven a complex web of stories over the past 5 years and lead a lot of people astray, you haven't done anything that serious as to warrant anything more than the general shunning of you from TL.net by your peers, most of which are males, like yourself.
So welcome Adam, I don't think we're going to get along.
baal you're an idiot i did congratulate him because for me it's funny.. and to do what he did it's not easy.. looks like i see the full part of the glass... the good part why does my post count matter? i don't like to spam in every thread like you do about eri.. read in the other thread.. he said he did about the writing part.. i'm just encouraging the guy do something usefull.. are you really so retarded that you cant understand?
I think it's sick that he is getting away with this. Maybe what he has done is "understandable" but I think it should be unforgivable.
It's not normal to mess with peoples heads like that, and no, you can't really feel remorseful since you have been doing it for 5 years without telling anyone, and you had no plans to come out?
You seem to me like a manipulative, creepy person with a narcissistic or psyhopathic personality disorder.
Sure anyone can pose as a girl for a day but for 5 years!? And hurting so many peoples feelings...besides you don't really seem to care that much about it.
I think this whole thing is fucking creepy and you still seem to be able to "work people" since you have gotten Mani and others to think you are a cool guy now. I don't get it.
it just seems to me that you're only apologizing BECAUSE we found out. If you really cared about the community you would've told them before, being aware that something like this would happen. seriously i dont care about who you are or any of this melodrama it's just that why the heck are you asking for people to forgive you if the only reason you're doing it is so nobody hates you for your own lack of forethought into the situation? All in all i just think your apology seems empty.
On September 16 2006 21:16 rpf289 wrote: I'm trying to remember what I told "Zia." Lots of pretty useless shit, to be perfectly honest. I flamed lots of posters here, but then again I did that to their "faces," so to speak, anyhow. Other than that I can't think of much. "She" did say I was cute, though. Oh, gross.
Don't worry, people's opinions of you can't really get worse. And yeah, you definitely sound like a cutie to me.
Imo, it's funny to me since I never really interacted with "Zia" or anything - just heard a lot of shit about "her", ahaha; the funny part is finding out about this and remembering back to all those times when some of my bnet friends from TL going "<3 Zia I love you" and all that crap.
All in all - I'd think TL would be outraged and flaming 24/7 but it doesn't look too bad.
5 years of lying, but if a lot of people claim that they were very close, how can they never have talked on the phone, or saw new pictures, or video chat, Ventrtilo, Teamspeak, wtc. I mean, you can´t be fooled like that for 5 years....
lol....word of advice adam...get a second job and save up for a sex change cuz u might find more happiness as a female...u play better as a girl than a guy!!
Don't take it out so hard on that guy come on. He's given us Zia for 5 years. That probably gave him a sense of achievement and purpose in life that most of us don't!
it would be cool if all of this was done as a joke, like if some of the well known tl members knew about this 5 yrs ago and were all playin along to trick drone or something and kept it up for this long.....but it was done with some deep psychological issues at hand...u need some serious help adam, if thats ur real name. ur not right in the head
I agree with exalted and think that IcedEarth should be banned - however, I see no reason what-so-ever to throw insults like "hey man, you're FAT" in his face, because that's not only the lamest insult you could possibly come up with, but it's also degrading yourself down to a level where you, I reckon, don't want to be.
Icedearth i dont want to judge what you ve done or what kind or person you are because it will be useless and i have absolutely no clue about it. Nevertheless I have one question to ask you : Why do you insist to stay here at TL.net while almost 99,9% think you are a sick mother fucker ? Thats what i really dont understand... imo forget teamliquid and BW is the best choice for you.
IP ban this embarrassing excuse for a man. His presence here is insulting.
Every moment that passes without "it" being banned, I feel I lose more and more respect for the admins of TL, and I know I'm not the only one.
Think of the reasons people have been banned for in the past and compare it to this. If this kind of person is tolerated here, then I'm not so sure this is a place I want to come back to.
On September 17 2006 08:51 Doctorasul wrote: IP ban this embarrassing excuse for a man. His presence here is insulting.
Every moment that passes without "it" being banned, I feel I lose more and more respect for the admins of TL, and I know I'm not the only one.
Think of the reasons people have been banned for in the past and compare it to this. If this kind of person is tolerated here, then I'm not so sure this is a place I want to come back to.
On September 17 2006 08:51 Doctorasul wrote: IP ban this embarrassing excuse for a man. His presence here is insulting.
Every moment that passes without "it" being banned, I feel I lose more and more respect for the admins of TL, and I know I'm not the only one.
Think of the reasons people have been banned for in the past and compare it to this. If this kind of person is tolerated here, then I'm not so sure this is a place I want to come back to.
This is EXACTLY how I feel =/
Same. I don't understand all this shit. This person deserves to be banned and then unbanned just so they can be banned again
On September 17 2006 08:51 Doctorasul wrote: IP ban this embarrassing excuse for a man. His presence here is insulting.
Every moment that passes without "it" being banned, I feel I lose more and more respect for the admins of TL, and I know I'm not the only one.
Think of the reasons people have been banned for in the past and compare it to this. If this kind of person is tolerated here, then I'm not so sure this is a place I want to come back to.
This is EXACTLY how I feel =/
Same. But I'm glad to see there are still a number of people who care about principles, as opposed to the "well I didn't know him so it doesn't affect ME" mindset.
This seems to have brought tl.net into two sharply different categories, the ones that don't care and the ones that do and are more or less outraged. I don't hate this guy, I feel sorry for him and would be happy if he at least *tried* to realize the magnitude of what he did. It's certainly not as trivial as he tries to make it out to be. It's sociopathic behavior, and if there's one thing all sociopaths have in common, it's that they never know they HAVE a problem to begin with. They might be able to sugar-coat everything and make you think that they're normal, and in fact they think they are. But come on, pretending to be a girl for five years (five years.. taste it - think about how long that really is. Think about what you did five years ago and what has happened in your life ever since) is NOT normal no matter how you sugar-coat it, and it's scary to see that so many people shrug it off as if nothing happened..
Strafe never liked Zia, while she was ok. As soon as he heard she got her legs smashed and was going to be on a wheelchair, he started masturbating to hsi pics Strafe loves women on wheelchair.
sad as fuck, i went through depression yet you didnt see me pretending to be chick with dick. another excuse your your obvious lust for attention sad fucking nerd
On September 17 2006 02:47 Dahlia... wrote: Questions:
What made you create the whole "I may never walk again" thing? Will you continue to play BW? Are you still in oG)? Will you and BJ still 2v2? Why hate Into the Moat?
1.) My friend actually did get into a wreck and put her into the hospital, so I sort of brought that to life to a different crowd and exaggerated it. I am sorry. 2.) No. 3.) That's up to him. 4.) They're responsible for Yellow losing to 3 bunker rushes. They messed up his timing. T_T
On September 17 2006 06:15 Pika Chu wrote: baal you're an idiot i did congratulate him because for me it's funny.. and to do what he did it's not easy.. looks like i see the full part of the glass... the good part why does my post count matter? i don't like to spam in every thread like you do about eri.. read in the other thread.. he said he did about the writing part.. i'm just encouraging the guy do something usefull.. are you really so retarded that you cant understand?
Ive begged you so many times. STOP THE ".." thingy you do like 30 fucking times throughout each FUCKING post. What ever the fuck they told you in Romania THEY WERE WRONG. STOP
On September 17 2006 06:15 Pika Chu wrote: baal you're an idiot i did congratulate him because for me it's funny.. and to do what he did it's not easy.. looks like i see the full part of the glass... the good part why does my post count matter? i don't like to spam in every thread like you do about eri.. read in the other thread.. he said he did about the writing part.. i'm just encouraging the guy do something usefull.. are you really so retarded that you cant understand?
Ive begged you so many times. STOP THE ".." thingy you do like 30 fucking times throughout each FUCKING post. What ever the fuck they told you in Romania THEY WERE WRONG. STOP
Can't you SEE?!! This thread is tearing us apart!!! :O
This topic has me laughing though, at all the people here who were 'friends' and whatever with you and claimed some sick shit. Whatever life goes on all we can do is move forward. =]
EDIT: I hope TL.NET admins will not ban 'zia'. A lot of people cannot accept the fact they've been duped on the internet.. HEY! What a surprise eh?!
On September 17 2006 08:43 zergc1 wrote: Icedearth i dont want to judge what you ve done or what kind or person you are because it will be useless and i have absolutely no clue about it. Nevertheless I have one question to ask you : Why do you insist to stay here at TL.net while almost 99,9% think you are a sick mother fucker ? Thats what i really dont understand... imo forget teamliquid and BW is the best choice for you.
Because I have already accepted the fact that TL is maxed out with flamers who enjoy jumping on bandwagons, despite having been affected in no way by Zia. I also find a lot of humor on the forums, and I read pro-gaming news. There are plenty of other reasons (and people) that keep me here.
Oh, and those of you who have had the guts to say that I'm still being inconsiderate, how can you know that? I have already mentioned that I have made legions of humble apologies to everyone I have on msn, and some in PMs.
Oh and seriously, textual flames don't affect me. Anything that you say involving that just washes over.
On September 17 2006 03:59 baal wrote: apparently you cant tell the difference between a prank (faking to be a girl cybering, like that ninja dude and his wizard robe) and sickening twisted mentally disturbed behaviou for 5 years.
i would love him to reveal dirty secrets tho :3
Oh come on. Like you Baal don't like sick and twisted shit? I mean... so he was really quite sad enough to lie for half a decade on his identity. I say cool, go be an actor. #1 black artist on TL net is ZIa. Props are due imo.
And Steve, if you pieced it together and what not while on staff, I will never look at you the same. I never thought you were so undercover detective~ chogosu~ Sugo. I just think everyone is really overreacting althought I guess people who were close for 5 years could be hit hard and be like whoa. Still... -_-;; It's internet Zia. ... lol I just can't relate cept have fun at this stuff. Maybe I'm just a horrible person.
What ever fuckhead that posted that he isn't a man is right now invited to go to a gaybar with me.
Next thing. I feel good for you that you have well.. conquered yourself to finally tell us this. I therefore like you. you have balls. however I think you need to get help for this, cause this is a serieus matter. I will tell you right here, right now that you have my support if you want to share your difficulties with us. However visit a shrink.
Although I do not know your personality, I think someone who gets 'caught in the act' lying should just really give it up. You being a stable person; already knew some of the consequences that this 'double' life might lead you into. Personally I'd feel very embarrassed or degraded if this were to happen to me. Perhaps this was your way to get out of depression or suicide, if so then yes this action was a better choice than suicide. However I'd think you'd release if you did have these problems you'd get some professional help or look for some and not continue on this pseudo pursuit.
A dilemma I have though is how you come to think that apologizing is enough to clean your slate, and no one can have the right to say "you are blah blah blah" or w/e. Being humble as you said means you will not fight these words, you don't have to accept them but don't put in your pride. I know it is probably very hard to but if you want to be humble about it, then you have to swallow and not spit.
Further actions regarding ban or not ban is up to the admins. But I think that these 'gossips/rumors' IcedEarth holds shouldn't set them back or block their train of thought. No one is perfect, so don't be afraid if you are in the gossip. My personal advice to IcedEarth is to not fight the comments and suggestions to defend yourself, but to answer and be honest. I can see how your reaction right away was to make amends and get everything clear, but now it is the time to answer and let everyone think about it and have their say. You can't blame them since 5 years they were led to think something, but now it wasn't as it seemed.
On September 17 2006 08:43 zergc1 wrote: Icedearth i dont want to judge what you ve done or what kind or person you are because it will be useless and i have absolutely no clue about it. Nevertheless I have one question to ask you : Why do you insist to stay here at TL.net while almost 99,9% think you are a sick mother fucker ? Thats what i really dont understand... imo forget teamliquid and BW is the best choice for you.
Well I think that your 99,9% thing is overestimated. The only ones who can be mad at him are the ones who actualy knew zia. And I really don't think that zia knew 99,9% of this forum...
If he has never done anything bad to you then just shut up you don't have the right to judge someone you don't know, that's all.
And by the way every one here is playing a role on the internet and don't try to tell me i'm wrong, that's true. You're trying to act different than you are in real life and it's easy just because no one can see you and no one know you. IRL every one is judging every one just by what they look like etc... while it's not the case on the internet. So you act totaly different.
I'm not the same, you're not the same, eri is not the same, mondragon isnt the same etc... And I can tell you that this guy is probably as normal as you are. The only difference between you and him is that he made up an entire character while you just made up for yourself a new style.
So he made up something a lot more complicated than you or I did but it's all the same because it's THE INTERNET and because we are all playing a role at different levels.
PS : And i'm sorry but for the one who say that his brain is all fucked up (I first said it on the last thread and I regret it) because he pretented to be someone else for 4/5 years then just watch carefuly yourself in the mirror i'm pretty sure that more than 50% or you on this forum (including me ) spent on the internet at least 3//4 hours/day for 4 5 years
For me a guy who's spending his time speaking on this forum (or playing or surfing on the net) and a guy who is pretending to be someone else to have fun it's pretty much the same thing. Grow up and stop judging people especially when you look like them
On September 17 2006 09:52 Asho wrote: What ever fuckhead that posted that he isn't a man is right now invited to go to a gaybar with me.
Next thing. I feel good for you that you have well.. conquered yourself to finally tell us this. I therefore like you. you have balls. however I think you need to get help for this, cause this is a serieus matter. I will tell you right here, right now that you have my support if you want to share your difficulties with us. However visit a shrink.
This is an intersting sight, just tell me what he would need to visit a shrink For me it's just something he has done because he found it funny. I really don't know why he would me mad, if he enjoys playing a role then I don't know why he should'nt do it.
Do you realize that you guyz think he is mad, and that almost every single person watching TV programs on "GAMING ADDICTS" are persuaded that we ALL ARE FUCKED UP IN OUR HEADS!
Yeah They do judge you and me without knowing us, and that dude it's called racism ! Don't judge someone you don't know :/ your mother never told you that ?
On September 17 2006 09:40 IcedEarth wrote: Oh and seriously, textual flames don't affect me. Anything that you say involving that just washes over.
I don't even know about "Zia" until your post that thread about your busted knees. I also didn't pick up the fact that you were supposed to be female until i've read through about 3-4 pages. I felt very sorry for "Zia", but beyond that I wasn't in the least bit invested in, much less hurt by, the character you made up.
However, I think you definitely ought to be banned, simply because you DON'T care about text in a world where it is the only medium of exchange. What makes TL net so great is the fact that we are a community of mostly sensible and honest people, behavior that comes from acting as we would most do in real life, and from CARING about our e-actions and persona. This great community is built upon the meaning within those "useless text". You have denied that, and by doing so denied the community.
P.S.: I thought at first (and part of me still does) that it would be cool to keep IcedEarth around and that it would make TL a even more varied and fun place than other forums. But no amount of novelty is worth the indiginity of this. Please ban him.
So he made up something a lot more complicated than you or I did but it's all the same because it's THE INTERNET and because we are all playing a role at different levels.
This isn't an mmorpg, so what if it is the Internet. You can do the same in life go get a makeover and act like whatsoever. I dislike how since it is the Internet you and go around everywhere and do whatever you want. Why don't you be a rebel somewhere else, if you'd have the guts to do it only online then well sorry you aren't what you are. However there is a difference between actually seeing yourself as a girl then giving a persona of one. When you make a post or write something up you think of it in your head, and that is the difference. The problem is not so much you can't see how you look, but you believe in what you write.
On September 17 2006 08:43 zergc1 wrote: Icedearth i dont want to judge what you ve done or what kind or person you are because it will be useless and i have absolutely no clue about it. Nevertheless I have one question to ask you : Why do you insist to stay here at TL.net while almost 99,9% think you are a sick mother fucker ? Thats what i really dont understand... imo forget teamliquid and BW is the best choice for you.
Well I think that your 99,9% thing is overestimated. The only ones who can be mad at him are the ones who actualy knew zia. And I really don't think that zia knew 99,9% of this forum...
If he has never done anything bad to you then just shut up you don't have the right to judge someone you don't know, that's all.
And by the way every one here is playing a role on the internet and don't try to tell me i'm wrong, that's true. You're trying to act different than you are in real life and it's easy just because no one can see you and no one know you. IRL every one is judging every one just by what they look like etc... while it's not the case on the internet. So you act totaly different.
I'm not the same, you're not the same, eri is not the same, mondragon isnt the same etc... And I can tell you that this guy is probably as normal as you are. The only difference between you and him is that he made up an entire character while you just made up for yourself a new style.
So he made up something a lot more complicated than you or I did but it's all the same because it's THE INTERNET and because we are all playing a role at different levels.
PS : And i'm sorry but for the one who say that his brain is all fucked up (I first said it on the last thread and I regret it) because he pretented to be someone else for 4/5 years then just watch carefuly yourself in the mirror i'm pretty sure that more than 50% or you on this forum (including me ) spent on the internet at least 3//4 hours/day for 4 5 years
For me a guy who's spending his time speaking on this forum (or playing or surfing on the net) and a guy who is pretending to be someone else to have fun it's pretty much the same thing. Grow up and stop judging people especially when you look like them
ps : Sorry for my fucked up english
assuming you are acting a different way on the internet your post pretending to be your own point of view on this situation is just a fake opinion based on your fake internet personnality. right?
Serious question though. Were you ever involved in a relationship and what kind of relation was it. Man to man or man to woman or other? If it's other please specify.
Im curious.
Btw intothewow skips college around 2 pm so he can walk at the streets. At 2pm the high schools in argentina are out so he passes college girls at the way home. Sometimes when he sees an attractive girl he walks after her and starts to make a conversation by scraping his throat to get attention first.Also he sometimes just stalks them all the way home so he can wait there in the morning, then he can watch them walk to school as well. One time wow got the attention of a girl and they ended up having sex, she was only 14.
On September 17 2006 08:43 zergc1 wrote: Icedearth i dont want to judge what you ve done or what kind or person you are because it will be useless and i have absolutely no clue about it. Nevertheless I have one question to ask you : Why do you insist to stay here at TL.net while almost 99,9% think you are a sick mother fucker ? Thats what i really dont understand... imo forget teamliquid and BW is the best choice for you.
Well I think that your 99,9% thing is overestimated. The only ones who can be mad at him are the ones who actualy knew zia. And I really don't think that zia knew 99,9% of this forum...
If he has never done anything bad to you then just shut up you don't have the right to judge someone you don't know, that's all.
And by the way every one here is playing a role on the internet and don't try to tell me i'm wrong, that's true. You're trying to act different than you are in real life and it's easy just because no one can see you and no one know you. IRL every one is judging every one just by what they look like etc... while it's not the case on the internet. So you act totaly different.
I'm not the same, you're not the same, eri is not the same, mondragon isnt the same etc... And I can tell you that this guy is probably as normal as you are. The only difference between you and him is that he made up an entire character while you just made up for yourself a new style.
So he made up something a lot more complicated than you or I did but it's all the same because it's THE INTERNET and because we are all playing a role at different levels.
PS : And i'm sorry but for the one who say that his brain is all fucked up (I first said it on the last thread and I regret it) because he pretented to be someone else for 4/5 years then just watch carefuly yourself in the mirror i'm pretty sure that more than 50% or you on this forum (including me ) spent on the internet at least 3//4 hours/day for 4 5 years
For me a guy who's spending his time speaking on this forum (or playing or surfing on the net) and a guy who is pretending to be someone else to have fun it's pretty much the same thing. Grow up and stop judging people especially when you look like them
ps : Sorry for my fucked up english
assuming you are acting a different way on the internet your post presuming to be your own point of view on this situation is just a fake opinion based on your fake internet personnality. right?
Funny guy, i've never asked you to agree with me =]
On September 17 2006 10:23 X_LiNe wrote: Well I think that your 99,9% thing is overestimated. The only ones who can be mad at him are the ones who actualy knew zia. And I really don't think that zia knew 99,9% of this forum...
If he has never done anything bad to you then just shut up you don't have the right to judge someone you don't know, that's all.
One can only hope that people as clueless as you aren't allowed on juries
If he has never done anything bad to you then just shut up you don't have the right to judge someone you don't know, that's all.
So I dont have the right to judge say .... george bush because I dont know him personally or he hasn't directly changed anything in my life. Right. Get it straight son,people can judge whoever the hell they want. Especially when its a person who has spent 5 years in a community you're involved with lying 100% about who he/she is. This isnt "roleplaying" anymore.
Oh and I've never spoken to "zia" before in my life. But that doesnt change the fact that I'm sickened by this. I feel appaled by people who do not care or defend.
Well you can think what you want, but you example is so poor You know bush, even though you've never met him you saw him talking, you saw him acting you saw him doing shit. So you can judge him.
You've never seen him so don't judge him that's all I don't know him and people he may have hurt can be mad at him but not the others, it's so stupid :/
On September 17 2006 10:23 X_LiNe wrote: Well I think that your 99,9% thing is overestimated. The only ones who can be mad at him are the ones who actualy knew zia. And I really don't think that zia knew 99,9% of this forum...
If he has never done anything bad to you then just shut up you don't have the right to judge someone you don't know, that's all.
One can only hope that people as clueless as you aren't allowed on juries
Well "shut up" isnt very harsh injury as far as I know, anyway if I get banned for that then I don't care :/
The only fact here is that I dislike peoples coming here not knowing the guy, not knowing what he has done and saying "you're jerk go die stupid fag" just because others are doing the same thing :/
I think this is stupid that's all, he may be someone "cool" or "kind" you don't know
On September 17 2006 10:34 {ToT}Strafe wrote: Hi adam, you are a homo.
Serious question though. Were you ever involved in a relationship and what kind of relation was it. Man to man or man to woman or other? If it's other please specify.
Im curious.
Btw intothewow skips college around 2 pm so he can walk at the streets. At 2pm the high schools in argentina are out so he passes college girls at the way home. Sometimes when he sees an attractive girl he walks after her and starts to make a conversation by scraping his throat to get attention first.Also he sometimes just stalks them all the way home so he can wait there in the morning, then he can watch them walk to school as well. One time wow got the attention of a girl and they ended up having sex, she was only 14.
Thats so untrue.
STOP LYING STRAFE. You are the one that likes preteens here.
You read a newsreport about a man that has lied to his wife for 5 years. Cheating on her and even having another family. Now, you have NO connection to this man at all. Does that make it wrong to judge him?
You've got a strange vision on the right to have an opinion dude. It sure would suck to live in a world where everyone thinks like you.
Chris says: yeah Chris says: it's like saying the only person that should be upset by hackers is the people that played against them Chris says: Imagine the juries on a murder case.. Chris says: What'd the murderers do to them? Chris says: hah 조나단 왈쉬 "The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling ball wouldn't." says: 'sorry your honour, it's not my daughter, I kinda like the chap' 조나단 왈쉬 "The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling ball wouldn't." says: 'he makes great pritzels' Chris says: hahaha 조나단 왈쉬 "The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling ball wouldn't." says: not to mention this person actually HAS done something to everyone who visits tl.net Chris says: yeah 조나단 왈쉬 "The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling ball wouldn't." says: just because you haven't talked to 'it' on msn Chris says: Nobody knows where this was going to go if he wasn't caught 조나단 왈쉬 "The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling ball wouldn't." says: doesn't mean she didn't do it to them either.. maybe they feel embarassed or something 조나단 왈쉬 "The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling ball wouldn't." says: and are trying to play it off as 'wow, good job' -_-
On September 17 2006 10:47 Xeofreestyler wrote: Alright, other example.
You read a newsreport about a man that has lied to his wife for 5 years. Cheating on her and even having another family. Now, you have NO connection to this man at all. Does that make it wrong to judge him?
You've got a strange vision on the right to have an opinion dude. It sure would suck to live in a world where everyone thinks like you.
Plz stop giving stupid examples, THIS has nothing to do with lying to your family. Do you really think that in 5 years you'll still care about one of us ? You'll not even remember that you once went here that you once went on bnet.
The guy you are talking about is hurting people, he acts like a fag. "Zia" character may have hurt people but it was on the internet :/ So it's not even important, except maybe for eriador ... It's not on the same scale...
On September 17 2006 10:34 {ToT}Strafe wrote: Hi adam, you are a homo.
Serious question though. Were you ever involved in a relationship and what kind of relation was it. Man to man or man to woman or other? If it's other please specify.
Im curious.
Btw intothewow skips college around 2 pm so he can walk at the streets. At 2pm the high schools in argentina are out so he passes college girls at the way home. Sometimes when he sees an attractive girl he walks after her and starts to make a conversation by scraping his throat to get attention first.Also he sometimes just stalks them all the way home so he can wait there in the morning, then he can watch them walk to school as well. One time wow got the attention of a girl and they ended up having sex, she was only 14.
Thats so untrue.
STOP LYING STRAFE. You are the one that likes preteens here.
On September 17 2006 11:14 IntoTheWow wrote: OMG im the most correct person in this forum regarding teens. I never touched a 18- girl without its consent
Ah, so you've touched 18+ girls without their consent? How very interesting!
On September 17 2006 10:42 X_LiNe wrote: Well you can think what you want, but you example is so poor You know bush, even though you've never met him you saw him talking, you saw him acting you saw him doing shit. So you can judge him.
You've never seen him so don't judge him that's all I don't know him and people he may have hurt can be mad at him but not the others, it's so stupid :/
On September 17 2006 10:23 X_LiNe wrote: Well I think that your 99,9% thing is overestimated. The only ones who can be mad at him are the ones who actualy knew zia. And I really don't think that zia knew 99,9% of this forum...
If he has never done anything bad to you then just shut up you don't have the right to judge someone you don't know, that's all.
One can only hope that people as clueless as you aren't allowed on juries
Well "shut up" isnt very harsh injury as far as I know, anyway if I get banned for that then I don't care :/
The only fact here is that I dislike peoples coming here not knowing the guy, not knowing what he has done and saying "you're jerk go die stupid fag" just because others are doing the same thing :/
I think this is stupid that's all, he may be someone "cool" or "kind" you don't know
All you need to know is that he lied to this community for the past 5 years.
i'd really prefer it if this guy would volunteer to have IcedEarth banned permanently, i don't see how we can trust him and therefore if he insists on being here he can make a new account that we dont know is him and start the way all newbies start here, with 0 credibility and build his way up from there...
On September 17 2006 11:52 a-game wrote: i'd really prefer it if this guy would volunteer to have IcedEarth banned permanently, i don't see how we can trust him and therefore if he insists on being here he can make a new account that we dont know is him and start the way all newbies start here, with 0 credibility and build his way up from there...
omfg i dont get why you people want to ban him, when more than half the people here never got to speak to him. If you dont bloody want to read his threads dont bloody read them omg. Yeah he toyed with many people feelings... about eri, i think that its his problem that he kept the lie, already gave his reasons so...
stop the banning shit, he is not a troll or a spammer.
On September 17 2006 12:21 Night[Mare] wrote: omfg i dont get why you people want to ban him, when more than half the people here never got to speak to him. If you dont bloody want to read his threads dont bloody read them omg. Yeah he toyed with many people feelings... about eri, i think that its his problem that he kept the lie, already gave his reasons so...
stop the banning shit, he is not a troll or a spammer.
Why do you have to be personally involved? It's disgusting what he did and if he doesn't get banned he'll probably won't stop lying.
On September 17 2006 12:21 Night[Mare] wrote: omfg i dont get why you people want to ban him, when more than half the people here never got to speak to him. If you dont bloody want to read his threads dont bloody read them omg. Yeah he toyed with many people feelings... about eri, i think that its his problem that he kept the lie, already gave his reasons so...
stop the banning shit, he is not a troll or a spammer.
HE'S NOT A TROLL?
He is the very definition of a troll.
And the exact same argument you used goes for spammers 'dont read their posts/threads if you dont want to'.. or with anything else.
On September 17 2006 12:21 Night[Mare] wrote: omfg i dont get why you people want to ban him, when more than half the people here never got to speak to him. If you dont bloody want to read his threads dont bloody read them omg. Yeah he toyed with many people feelings... about eri, i think that its his problem that he kept the lie, already gave his reasons so...
stop the banning shit, he is not a troll or a spammer.
Yeah he's really a good guy, underneath all the deceit that lasted for 5 years.
Pulling the wool over people's eyes is the new 'COOL!'.
Jeez I almost never post on TL.net anymore, but this situation is just wow. So figured id say, Adam hi!...
I actually dont really even care that much, sure i was shocked but, at the same time its not like "omfg how could he do this". I dont really care, adam GL in the future and stop lieing! =]
hehe anyway u guys should just put this all behind you. I mean i knew zia too i owned her and eri 2v2 frequently, and i can honestly say, its no big deal. lol cept when zia used to talk dirty to me this makes that kinda awkward.... anyway continue playing BW or w/e it is u TL.netters like to do nowadays. =]
Recipe for making a complete cock out of yourself:
Ingredients:
- Several well told lies. - A penis. - A general lack of moral fibre & concern for other peoples feelings. - A generous serving of repressed homosexuality.
How to prepare:
1. First tell everyone you have a vagina, fashion yourself a personality of slight arrogance coupled with traits that will make you appealing to the opposite sex (in this case males).
2. Continue setting the bait using pictures of a female friend thus adding a layer of credibility to the whole mixture.
3. Make yourself more likeable to males by appealing to their tastes using such statements as "I rock ass at guitar & BW and I love Final Fantasy...did I forget to mention I was a girl?"
4. Simmer for 5 years, whilst simmering make sure to post numerous times and set up a reputation for yourself.
5. Now that you're well known by the community and adored above a lot of people because you are a 'girl'; start to make more serious posts such as "I am crippled...oh shit, some money would be nice...or at least a few hundred posts sympathising with my predicament..."
6. After reaching 'fever pitch' come clean for once, tell the truth about your whole system of deceit & manipulation.
7. Try to act saddened by your 'stupid ways' and offer some insight into why you did it, but at the same time denote no real feeling of care for your disregard of morality and above all else how you've just duped hundreds of people in an online community.
If you followed this recipe carefully, you should have just made a complete cock out of yourself!
1.We want him banned because he have lied to all of us for 5 and half years. He refuses to admit that he have done a terrible thing. Upseting many people who belivied in his character,his lies, his made up stories. Some ppl get involved with character he created, and i cant imagine how sad they can feel now. Noone has posted about such feelings yet, everyone pretend they are cool with it, or that they dont care. But i bet that there are ppl there whos feelings were hurt. 2.I felt very sad when i read "Zia will never walk again" thread even though i have always suspected that Zia isnt telling truth to us. Ppl who where close to that Zia character, might get hurt (or perhpas were hurt). 3.He have admited his "crime" only after he was caught, he promised to be nice and truthfull but how we can trust him again? I certainly cant. 4.He still behaves like he has done nothing wrong, what kind of sick attitude is that?
I know that it does not matter but i will still say it. BAN HIM.
On September 17 2006 12:21 Night[Mare] wrote: omfg i dont get why you people want to ban him, when more than half the people here never got to speak to him. If you dont bloody want to read his threads dont bloody read them omg. Yeah he toyed with many people feelings... about eri, i think that its his problem that he kept the lie, already gave his reasons so...
stop the banning shit, he is not a troll or a spammer.
Why do you have to be personally involved? It's disgusting what he did and if he doesn't get banned he'll probably won't stop lying.
Like he's the only one who has ever done it? Get over it. Banning doesn't solve anything.
just because i think the fuck should be banned doesnt mean i was affected by it and it "Hurts" my feelings. I really dont give a fuck, i am just not fond of psychos running lose on a forum i associate with.
And Even as you are exposed, you flaunt incriminating, sensitive information about other posters, which you've garnered by being false.
A lot of these kids don't have women in their lives to talk to, and they openned up to you, probably because they are also depressed. And you mock them. Even in the banned thread. How dare you? And then you play the "I'm depressed" card. Wow.
I don't care what you think, because you're a loser. I'm posting this to remind the people who are so easily letting this pass as water under the bridge.
He could fuck Zia now that she has a cock and balls.
Then again, what're the odds a girl comes to TL.net and someone hits it off with her and she is a real girl and they end up meeting and fucking?
I'd give it about 534412341812 to 1 give or take a few.
Idea: Let's go outside and meet real people whose genders we can identify at a glance. (In some cases appearances can be deceiving...but transvestites trying to pick up men isn't as common as it being an actual woman.) COME ON GUYS.
On September 17 2006 10:54 FrozenArbiter wrote: Chris says: Imagine the juries on a murder case.. Chris says: What'd the murderers do to them? Chris says: hah 조나단 왈쉬 "The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling ball wouldn't." says: 'sorry your honour, it's not my daughter, I kinda like the chap'
I never thought of that. An excellent point. Whenever a similar situation comes up in the future, I'll remember to use this example.
I'm sure there are some people here who, once they see it from this perspective, will realize that saying "I don't care because it didn't affect me" is totally wrong.
On September 17 2006 12:59 HeadBangaa wrote: And Even as you are exposed, you flaunt incriminating, sensitive information about other posters, which you've garnered by being false.
A lot of these kids don't have women in their lives to talk to, and they openned up to you, probably because they are also depressed. And you mock them. Even in the banned thread. How dare you? And then you play the "I'm depressed" card. Wow.
I don't care what you think, because you're a loser. I'm posting this to remind the people who are so easily letting this pass as water under the bridge.
QFT
It's the emotional side of things, now that this has happened it's the equivalent of getting reamed in the ass by a horse.
I don't even know Zia...I talked to 'her' a bit but only non-sensical shit usually...I gave my sympathy in the 'never walking again' thread...but yeah, on top of things my feelings haven't been directly affected, but I feel true sympathy for anyone who has been fucked over by this in some way.
Ok, enough blubbering vagina talk...COCK fuck SHIT NIGGA. I'm a REAL man I'm going to punch some ice blocks.
On September 17 2006 10:54 FrozenArbiter wrote: Chris says: Imagine the juries on a murder case.. Chris says: What'd the murderers do to them? Chris says: hah 조나단 왈쉬 "The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling ball wouldn't." says: 'sorry your honour, it's not my daughter, I kinda like the chap'
I never thought of that. An excellent point. Whenever a similar situation comes up in the future, I'll remember to use this example.
I'm sure there are some people here who, once they see it from this perspective, will realize that saying "I don't care because it didn't affect me" is totally wrong.
Yes you guys are seriously pathetic. Big fucking deal if someone on the internet posed as someone they are not. MANY OF YOU DO IT EVERY TIME YOU LOG ON. It's not really a big deal. Anyone who takes this seriously to they point where they pretend their feelings are hurt are pussies.
Some of you argue that you don't want to be in a community where people like Adam is tolerated. Well maybe I don't want to be in a community where a bandwagon of idiots blow Adam's stupid actions out of proportion and go in emo-berzerker mode.
Pull your heads out of your asses and realize it doesn't matter.
On September 17 2006 13:54 DarkGhost]Coon[ wrote: Yes you guys are seriously pathetic. Big fucking deal if someone on the internet posed as someone they are not. MANY OF YOU DO IT EVERY TIME YOU LOG ON. It's not really a big deal. Anyone who takes this seriously to they point where they pretend their feelings are hurt are pussies.
Some of you argue that you don't want to be in a community where people like Adam is tolerated. Well maybe I don't want to be in a community where a bandwagon of idiots blow Adam's stupid actions out of proportion and go in emo-berzerker mode.
Pull your heads out of your asses and realize it doesn't matter.
Man up should mean 'don't be so fucking pathethic that you allow this guy to do this to you and then just forgive and forget'.
On September 17 2006 12:59 HeadBangaa wrote: And Even as you are exposed, you flaunt incriminating, sensitive information about other posters, which you've garnered by being false.
A lot of these kids don't have women in their lives to talk to, and they openned up to you, probably because they are also depressed. And you mock them. Even in the banned thread. How dare you? And then you play the "I'm depressed" card. Wow.
I don't care what you think, because you're a loser. I'm posting this to remind the people who are so easily letting this pass as water under the bridge.
QFT
It's the emotional side of things, now that this has happened it's the equivalent of getting reamed in the ass by a horse.
I don't even know Zia...I talked to 'her' a bit but only non-sensical shit usually...I gave my sympathy in the 'never walking again' thread...but yeah, on top of things my feelings haven't been directly affected, but I feel true sympathy for anyone who has been fucked over by this in some way.
Ok, enough blubbering vagina talk...COCK fuck SHIT NIGGA. I'm a REAL man I'm going to punch some ice blocks.
I don't know what QFT means, but I'm gonna guess it's Quit Fucking Trolling. I'm not trolling, I'm responding to the original post and I'm 100% correct.
He's blackmailing people, and Bill made the EXACT SAME POINT in an earlier post. Just because I'm not as high-profile as Bill, you attack me. But you don't say shit to him.
That's almost as lame as gender bias. Now excuse me, I've just been invited to get drunk on someone else's tab. Bye bye.
Is teamliquid really that big a part in your life? Are the people here that important, that you could get bent out of shape over someone posing as someone they are not? Even though this is TL, it's still the internet, and this sort of thing isn't uncommon on the internet. Hell, deception isn't that uncommon in real life. Comparing this to a murder or any sort of real crime is blowing it way out of proportion. So some people got their feelings hurt. Boo hoo. I cannot see how this could disable someone enough physically or emotionally to cause them to take up responsive hostile action. Honestly, he's still the exact same person, his interests and personality, the only difference is now he has a penis. Big fucking deal.
if you continue to be at this site then w/e i dont give a shit. whenver i see IcedEarth i just jump over that post and go on to the next post, its that simple. i wont read what you write, i wont give a shit what you do, and i dont care what happens to your life.
personally its a 100% IP ban but some ppl here have suffered severe concussions or got a stroke or smthn and say that u can stay.
fact of the matter is that if you didnt get busted youd continue.
then you go all "hey man you guys do it too" instead of apologizing.
and THEN you try blackmailing.
and THEN you try to throw shit on mani.
go take ur FUCKING excuse of a life somewhere else.
On September 17 2006 14:40 Ghin wrote: you all should take a lesson from eri about this
he recognizes how amazing and absurd the situation is and can laugh about it
dont be feel anything about this, appreciate how wonderful it is and laugh
You miss the point. Eri got over it (after some time), and laughs about it now, but maybe I'm just a weak guy but I admit that I would not be able to simply get over it. What he did to Eri is really not your trump card, whether Eri is healthy now or not. Most people, I imagine, would not be.
If I catch someone trying to steal from my house I'm not simply going to let them back in.
I'm pretty much convinced at this point that they are just afraid of what this fuck up will say if he gets banned. That why he gets away with threatening to dish out "dirt" on people with absolutely no punishment, let alone the whole lying for 5 years about everything they've said in attempts to garner sympathy.
Can you imagine if I attempted to blackmail admins in any way? How fast would I be IP banned for the threat alone? Instantly most likely.
So they expect us all to tolerate this faggot because they are afraid of what it will say when it's banned. And that's a pretty decent deal for our little freakshow cause it's obvious he has nothing else going on in his life and clings to this place like life support
Every single post this sub-human makes will be pretty much trolled endlessly or just completely derailed, unless you start threatening us with bans for doing that. I don't see any middle ground in this. This account is doomed to stir up shit from this point on
On September 17 2006 14:40 Ghin wrote: you all should take a lesson from eri about this
he recognizes how amazing and absurd the situation is and can laugh about it
dont be feel anything about this, appreciate how wonderful it is and laugh
You miss the point. Eri got over it (after some time), and laughs about it now, but maybe I'm just a weak guy but I admit that I would not be able to simply get over it. What he did to Eri is really not your trump card, whether Eri is healthy now or not. Most people, I imagine, would not be.
If I catch someone trying to steal from my house I'm not simply going to let them back in.
Don't know the person, don't really care. But seing as this person lied and completly bullshitted everyone around for over 5 years. I see no reason for that person to stick around here and polute the greatest and only forum i bother to visit online.
On September 17 2006 08:43 zergc1 wrote: Icedearth i dont want to judge what you ve done or what kind or person you are because it will be useless and i have absolutely no clue about it. Nevertheless I have one question to ask you : Why do you insist to stay here at TL.net while almost 99,9% think you are a sick mother fucker ? Thats what i really dont understand... imo forget teamliquid and BW is the best choice for you.
Because I have already accepted the fact that TL is maxed out with flamers who enjoy jumping on bandwagons, despite having been affected in no way by Zia. I also find a lot of humor on the forums, and I read pro-gaming news. There are plenty of other reasons (and people) that keep me here.
Oh, and those of you who have had the guts to say that I'm still being inconsiderate, how can you know that? I have already mentioned that I have made legions of humble apologies to everyone I have on msn, and some in PMs.
Oh and seriously, textual flames don't affect me. Anything that you say involving that just washes over.
Ya, I have a hard time believing anything will affect you. Obviously you have some empathy issues, and don't really understand how fucked up this is.
For real, he(she) to others is just doing this for attention, had nobody given a fuck he(she) wouldnt have posted. Now no one will believe Iced even if its the truth.
Someone put this as the icon next to "Adam'" id's.
On September 17 2006 15:47 HnR)Insane wrote: I'd just like to point out Naz, that not everyone is asking for Adam to be banned. We just generally aren't as vocal about not wanting him banned.
On September 17 2006 15:47 BlackJack wrote: Considering people's opinions are split pretty evenly, it's going to be interesting to see how that works out haha
big thanks to whoever fixed the ">" thing !
right now the poll is 89-28 in favor of a ban, 75% is not split evenly =P
On September 17 2006 06:41 Jathin wrote: Sure, ban him.
We don't need this un-necessary retarded drama. It's one thing to post as a girl, but completely different if you try to say shit like "I'm never walking again" to try to invoke sympathy and serious concern in people.
Fuck off.
I agree with this man. Either that, or ban him but let him/her/it start fresh with a new account.
and btw, i love the names on those chat logs people post =O
btw i havent read any posts from this thread so i dunno if some1 comented on this but i found IcedEarth > ''These are the same people who still think Testie hacks and such ~'' hella bm, if u wanna make ur point speak and dont bring other ppl into it
I don't care that Zia is a man, because I didn't jerk to her/his pics.
I'm just mad that there was a thread about almost dying, getting burned by fire, etc. If that is really what happend, then that sucks, but I rather have that then him lying about it.
If he didn't really almost die like he said he did, I would want to see him banned for lying for 2 different things, and any other account he makes.
EPT
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