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jagtress
Profile Joined June 2013
Canada32 Posts
January 07 2014 04:08 GMT
#21
Baldwin has a good answer XD I like this idea. 2014 Year of iNcontroL? :D
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I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 04:10:13
January 07 2014 04:08 GMT
#22
I've defended you a lot in the past and generally enjoy you on shows/streams/whatever.

In this case, however... did you honestly, truly not think you were being a dick to Gen too often and that it went too far? I mean, self-awareness is hard on any scale, but Jesus, man.

Regardless, take a day to calm down and you bros talk it out. Keep the character and if you want to be mean, learn to be a mean person instead of somebody who is just mean to one person.

I suppose I'm most surprised that somehow this particular argument was enough to collapse the show in on itself. You all need to take a nap or something.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 04:09:10
January 07 2014 04:08 GMT
#23
do what Artosis did, start your own show

but for real, sucks to hear/see this happen to you
exoduas
Profile Joined August 2012
86 Posts
January 07 2014 04:08 GMT
#24
On January 07 2014 13:06 andy186 wrote:
JP calling other people out on having an ego rofl


yea its pretty hilarious
aaronjreeves
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8 Posts
January 07 2014 04:09 GMT
#25
On January 07 2014 13:00 iNcontroL wrote:
Ok so I am shaking and emotional so forgive me for what is surely going to be a rambly bad post but I wanted to share

I am removed from the show. JP thought I was attacking/bullying Gen when i said "shut the fuck up" and "nobody likes a whiney bitch" (in game).

geoff
[7:31:34 PM] JP McDaniel: if you call gen a whiny bitch again
[7:31:36 PM] JP McDaniel: that is not fuckign cool
[7:31:38 PM] JP McDaniel: and you are off the show
[7:31:45 PM] JP McDaniel: i dont know why you ahve such an ego b ut i will not let you do that to anyone



Fuck that. Im boycotting everything done by/involving JP. Im unsubscribing and never watching any of his content again. Fuck that and fuck him.
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GKFC
Profile Joined October 2012
8 Posts
January 07 2014 04:09 GMT
#26
OK, firstly, Geoff I think you can be a bit of a jerk to Gen. Sometimes valid, other times you just jump down her throat. So I can see where JP is coming from.

However, this was completely the wrong way to handle this. As you said, if JP had a problem he should've come to you and talked it through first.

To just lash out like that, then kick you off / shut down the show comes across as very immature. Certainly not impressed with the way it was handled.

Hopefully calmer heads prevail, but I think this has done a lot of damage to the perception of JP / the show...

Take it easy,

G.
Verator
Profile Joined June 2010
United States283 Posts
January 07 2014 04:09 GMT
#27
From a fan's perspective, you were definitely singling out Gen repeatedly week after week, regardless of what she did. To carry that over to the new character, even though its a totally different character that is actually someone pretty competent and important in the setting, is a pretty dick move.

That being said, it was absolutely too much of a knee-jerk reaction, and the correct move was to stop for a few minutes, and come back to talk about it later.

There's a difference between being kind of a dick in character, and singling people out regardless of character. With Vincent, it could seem to be in character, but to carry that attitude over to the new game was hard to argue it was in character.

I suggest you both take some time off and go back later, and talk it over with each other individually after you sleep, or talk it over with Gen.

TL;DR: JP was wrong to rage kick so quickly without talking it over, but you were wrong to be repeatedly mean to Gen in the same way every week. You both need to take time off and talk it over.
So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence. -- Bertrand Russell
abei1234
Profile Joined June 2011
United States89 Posts
January 07 2014 04:09 GMT
#28
I'm with Incontrol on this one. This is the internet, not a workplace with rules and regulations.
abei1234
Strut
Profile Joined June 2010
United States182 Posts
January 07 2014 04:09 GMT
#29
On January 07 2014 13:06 Satiate wrote:
This kind of thing reminds me of seeing my high school friends sharing their breakups through Facebook. Considering much of this is JPs living, I'd recommend having some professional courtesy and keeping it offline.


JP should have thought of that before he threatened to kick Geoff off in the middle of the show. I've unsubscribed until this is resolved.
Noobity
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States871 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 04:16:03
January 07 2014 04:10 GMT
#30
Welp, that's super unfortunate.

Am I the only one that finds it... odd that this is all down to overreacting on a roleplaying game show?

EDIT: I'd also like to point out that everyone on the show has been mean to Gen at one point or another, cept maybe Ryan? And everyone gets exasperated with her. She's clearly not an easy person to do this kind of thing with. This isn't said to excuse that she's abused, it's to say that everyone on that show has acted in an unprofessional and borderline mean way to her in the past. If it's been missed by any of the rest of the cast and this is the first time it's been brought up then that's a failure on the part of the entire cast (including Gen). Exploding like this randomly is silly by Geoff and JP. Geoff is right in that you don't just explode. JP is right in that you're not overly a douche. But it was handled fucking abysmally.
My name is Mike, and statistically, yours is not.
Sithril
Profile Joined April 2011
Slovakia169 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 04:13:02
January 07 2014 04:10 GMT
#31
Honestly? I hope you guys will get along again. Atleast, I hope thats your goal.

Anyway - yes, Vincent was a d*ck to Abigail most of the series and at times it was *really* hard to distinguish Vincent being agressive to Abi and Geoff beinc agressive to Gen. It was over time I realised it was Vinc, but still it was noticable and brough up (somtimes) in discussion between fans of Rollplay DnD. The difference between You and JP is that with JP he convays it that its obviously non serious, but your characters tended to be serios guys.

I hope this gets settled. Its not like the first time humans got into a conflict and I personally see you guys getting along again and continuing RP:Solumn with Victarian *and* Alice in the same group.

Cheers!
Noogie
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada49 Posts
January 07 2014 04:10 GMT
#32
Whether I agree with what you said in game or not. Your what makes the show fun for me...when I tuned in today I was already upset that JP was playing a girl, and Gen a boy. But I was willing to give it a try because you make me laugh and have an extremely quick wit. I don't have to agree with everything someone says.
Gentso
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2218 Posts
January 07 2014 04:10 GMT
#33
On January 07 2014 13:03 JazzJackrabbit wrote:
For fuck's sake....first Artosis, now you? Why is everyone having a falling out with JP??


From experience, people who get upset over ego have an ego problem themselves. I shouldn't comment on this at all since I haven't watched JP since SOTG was relevant, but from what I've seen he probably can't deal with becoming irrelevant.

I wonder if a VOD will be available for people like me who have no idea what's going on? I saw Geoff's tweet and thought he was trolling because this entire thing just sounds so ridiculous to me.
Vesci
Profile Joined January 2014
1 Post
January 07 2014 04:10 GMT
#34
What is wrong with JP? He plays like a dick for most of his characters and the minute someone else plays a mean character it's not allowed? I really do hope things work out but I can't see how JP is not in the wrong on this situation.
reju
Profile Joined April 2011
United States7 Posts
January 07 2014 04:10 GMT
#35
love your content incontrol and will still watch your stuff but as a random viewer you, idk if it was the way u were trying to rp or not, but you alway came across as very aggressive and force full. To be honest you were only person i didn't like in any of the role play shows.

will still watch you and jp's stuff <3 u both
_Ventus
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia12 Posts
January 07 2014 04:10 GMT
#36
This is so funny and so sad. Major support here Geoff. You're not in the wrong even slightly.
woody60707
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1863 Posts
January 07 2014 04:11 GMT
#37
Dude. You are going to get in fights with your friends. Even a rare fist fight sometimes. It will work it's self out.
whuderE
Profile Joined December 2011
53 Posts
January 07 2014 04:11 GMT
#38
Geoff JP's channel was the first twitch channel i've subbed to. It was largely in part because of you. I think you bring a lot to the two most interesting and exciting shows on his channel. I was so excited to have the show back after a month and i really hope you guys can work things out. I'll support you in whatever you decide to do man <3
Gator
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States3432 Posts
January 07 2014 04:11 GMT
#39
gen picks a male character then does a terrible job role playing him and geoff gets kicked off for calling a male character a whiney bitch?? whats the point of role playing if you're going to take everything personal
TSM
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42383 Posts
January 07 2014 04:11 GMT
#40
I'm not gonna take any sides, but this is probably stupidest way to crash a relationship -- and i'm sure no one would want that to anyone..

At least Ryan and Gen acted this like everyone should have.
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