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Dear Geoff,
I've enjoyed everything that you have done since WCG and hope you don't take it personally for too long. I understand that JP was a bit truthful on your comments on other players, but I just thought that JP didn't think it through long enough. Hope you guys take a bit of a time out, make-up, and get back to doing what the rest of us have enjoyed for so long: playing games. Honestly, the last thing I want are two angry men, a long-running show gone, and the internet sad.
Best wishes! -Phil
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Hey InControl, sorry for all that has happened, but I do think that both sides are at fault from what I have seen (which is very little, looking forward to getting more information). I think it is important though that both you and JP calm down, look at Ryan and Gen. Although it did not impact them in the same way, I think that it is vital that you guys wait and take a few steps back to cool off, if anything, I feel JP and you can work it out and Rollplay could come out all the stronger. Good luck in all your work!
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On January 07 2014 13:28 Fingo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 13:14 iNcontroL wrote: I acknowledge that I am mean to gen from time to time. I apologized to her as I didn't know it was hurting her feelings. I am not saying this to absolve myself of it but rather to express my sincere apologies for doing that. My point is however I genuinely had no idea it was becoming an actual issue. You can believe that or not. I didn't know. Neither Gen or JP ever said anything about it to me. I pride myself on always striving to improve but I sometimes have no fucking idea that I am doing something wrong.. by going from 0 to boiled over I got blind sided. If you think that is me claiming to be the victim so be it. I am just trying to give perspective. A certain amount of edginess makes the show fun for a lot of us. We like to see you be yourselves (or your character) unabashedly. If someone crosses a personal line (Geoff didn't IMO), discuss it like adults. Very disappointed with how this was handled. #teamgeoff ... Breaking this into teams like some juvenile grudge match game of dodgeball is the last thing this situation needs.
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>Rping
>Can only RP sunshine characters
Way to kick off the only entertaining personality on the show, JP.
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The worst part is that JP just thinks that he can replace the hands-down fan favorite of the show like he's a pawn or a cog in the watch.
JP needs to realize that he's just the facilitator in this, more people watch for Geoff, CatZ, Neal, Ryan, TotalBiscuit, DJWheat, and GM Steve over him.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
sometimes men go to great lengths to get laid
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On January 07 2014 13:29 Rekrul wrote: sometimes men go to great lengths to get laid
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(only read the OP)
You have a very dominating personality and occasionally it causes you to act like a dick to more submissive types of people.
There have been at least half dozen cases during RP that you've said something outright dick-like to Gen, making both her and some of your viewers noticeably uncomfortable.
You can generally tell when someone feels uncomfortable about the way you've talked to them because they don't laugh and just go silent and pretend to ignore what you said.
There came a point end of last year when JP had a small outburst and told you to shut the fuck up because you kept talking over Gen and talking down to her. I too felt defensive over Gen, because I felt like you were being a dick to her (not in a funny way) and were making her feel like shit, and was glad JP said something to call you out on it.
Gen is very good at shrugging shit off. JP on the other hand, like me, bottles things up and this results in outbursts like this.
JP wants you to realise that your dominating personality causes you to be a dick sometimes, acknowledge this, and apologise to Gen.
Of all things, I am surprised that you didn't notice that sometimes you "go too far" and are just a downright dick by accident. I'm pretty sure I notice you purposefully try to "reel it in" or hold your tongue because you notice that you're going too far with asserting yourself over other people.
I fully expected you to feel that your comment "Nobody likes a whiney bitch." was too much, and that you would tactfully apologise to Gen during (or before) the break in the show.
Regards
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On January 07 2014 13:29 Rekrul wrote: sometimes men go to great lengths to get laid
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On January 07 2014 13:29 Rekrul wrote: sometimes men go to great lengths to get laid
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On January 07 2014 13:29 Rekrul wrote: sometimes men go to great lengths to get laid
quote of the year all years
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Geoff, I'm a fan, but what that one guy said is true - you have been told off before over how you treated Gen. Even when your character was a good guy.
Sarcastic banter that has a bit of an edge can be fun if it's between friends and there's some back and forth, but between you and Gen it's all one-sided and feels much more uncomfortable than fun as a viewer.
Anyways, I hope cooler heads prevail, and you and JP can patch things up, because the rest of the time you guys make for a great show.
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On January 07 2014 13:14 iNcontroL wrote: I acknowledge that I am mean to gen from time to time. I apologized to her as I didn't know it was hurting her feelings.
Regardless if people's feelings are hurt or not, treating someone that way as if it is okay, is not okay. Especially because as you have already agreed you were targeting Gen specifically. Your character was not in general mean and rude. Again not a good atmosphere for the show and I will admit it bugged me a lot when she would suggest something and you would out of character say something like 'shut the fuck up' and 'listen to me' (if you think it's in character it still really pulls away from the roleplay aspect and bring me the viewer away from the story aspect)
That being said even in your own post you say that you hung up on the call after JP warned you. What you have listed as JP's chat log is him warning you not to do it again or else you get kicked off the show. You became emotionally outraged that your behavior all along has been 'unacceptable' to JP and he is just now mentioning it. So you became defensive and tried to shift blame onto JP. Maybe this caused JP to take further action or what not, I am unsure. However, I do not see a text message from JP saying 'You're off the show' just his 'tone it down' (paraphrase) At this point though, creating a post on teamliquid and publicizing the behind the scenes aspect in a drama centric way is very very childish.
I would be shocked if he would let you back on the show after making a sensational post in an attempt to draw support before JP even explains the situation to anyone. Grats on rush posting to the forums.
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On January 07 2014 13:27 farvacola wrote: Lol JP, smooth move. As if the community needed more reason to let you slip further into the obscurity that you clearly deserve. I've never quite been able to figure out why it is that some homely schmuck has been able to coast on his "esports" reputation for so long, but part of me is glad that he'd shoot himself in the foot like this. Maybe it's time to get a real job.
Geoff, you're great, don't let this get you down. It's nice to see someone unwilling to play fluffy bunny all day everyday, and I hope you continue to do you.
And this is the type of people that this type of thread brings. It doesn't help anything.
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deleting this was the right choice, even if it came a bit late. GL incontrol. It'll all get worked out eventually
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I think erasing the blog was the right choice. Hopefully everything works out.
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On January 07 2014 13:29 Rekrul wrote: sometimes men go to great lengths to get laid
But he already got rejected by Gen once before. Hard
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tbh your the reason i subbed but i dont think u can go back, be to awks
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This should of gone down in a different way 2 adult friends should be able to talk without BS attached. If JP would of asked Geoff what was going on with him to see if shit was alright with him. Geoff would of been like ya dude im fine im just rollplaying my character etc etc. instead of all this god damn drama a simple 5 min conversation would of cleared it all up
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The worst thing about it all is the public fall out. Poor Gen is caught in the middle of it all. If there was an ongoing issue with you being a dick then JP should have came to you earlier and in private. To have him react like that and see you wounded like this shows how tight you guys were. And how wrong this had been handled on both your parts.
What you're doing now is like the attention seeking Facebook posts when someone writes something like: "Omg, can't believe what just happened" or "Why always me?"
Sleep on it. Hug your wife, play with your dog, do anything to stop you venting/pouring your heart out when you're not thinking straight.
I hope you guys make up and clear the air in private. You were the main reason I enjoyed the RP shows.
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