Larger scale protests set for today, I'm busy today but I guess if no one post anything I'll put up pictures tomorrow.
Meanwhile in the crusade against statues:
edit: Obviously I do not support the burning of Ukrainian flags, all it does is spread us vs. them mentality throughout the east of the country. The east needs unity now to bring down the marauding bands of thugs and anti-civilization going on now in Kiev
Zeo, u have to mention that Sevastopol has a military Russian port, and historicly a pretty big part of population is pro-russian there, but 50k is still not even close to majority of populations. Burning flags is also a sign of vandalism, almost the same as monument destructionsm, that's bad.
And please, could u hide at least some of u'r videos and pics behind the spoilers? Cause u're posting a lot together.
On February 24 2014 19:02 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Zeo, u have to mention that Sevastopol has a military Russian port, and historicly a pretty big part of population is pro-russian there, but 50k is still not even close to majority of populations. Burning flags is also a sign of vandalism, almost the same as monument destructionsm, that's bad.
And please, could u hide at least some of u'r videos and pics behind the spoilers? Cause u're posting a lot together.
Already done, didn't see anything about anti-maidan protest in the thread so I put it up. Of course people need to band together to protect themselves from what is happening in the west of the country. Deep division between Russians and Ukrainians is what the nationalists want, and with that clown Yanukovych hiding in the east it just makes matters worse.
People speaking different languages had no problems until the populism of the 2004 Orange "revolution".
Just quoting german sources: - new president turtschinow warned, that Ukraine will go bankrupt without outside help - minister of finances Kolobow said, Ukraine needs 35b USD in the next 2 years and requested outside help - Ukrainian currency lost already 10% of its value in the last 3 month, which is especially bad as most of Ukrainian debt goes is in foreign currency - Ukrainian reserves dropped from 25b USD to 18b USD in one year - This year alone Ukraine has to pay back 13b USD - Russia had promised 15b USD last autumn, has already paid 3b USD, but now frozen all further transactions, including 2b USD, which should have been paid this month - IWF and EU both promised help under conditions - Those conditions include: -- drastic increase of gasprizes for the population (this was one of the mainreason, why Ukraine refused EU/IWF help in the past years...) -- massive budget cuts -- reducing the value of the currency even further - Russia, IWF and the EU all said, there won't be any financial aid without a stable government, which is not existant at the moment
On February 24 2014 19:02 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Zeo, u have to mention that Sevastopol has a military Russian port, and historicly a pretty big part of population is pro-russian there, but 50k is still not even close to majority of populations. Burning flags is also a sign of vandalism, almost the same as monument destructionsm, that's bad.
And please, could u hide at least some of u'r videos and pics behind the spoilers? Cause u're posting a lot together.
Already done, didn't see anything about anti-maidan protest in the thread so I put it up. Of course people need to band together to protect themselves from what is happening in the west of the country. Deep division between Russians and Ukrainians is what the nationalists want, and with that clown Yanukovych hiding in the east it just makes matters worse.
People speaking different languages had no problems until the populism of the 2004 Orange "revolution".
U are overestimating language difference in Ukraine, seriously, both languages are pretty huge and important, closing one of them will cause a serious problems for those who made such "laws", as well as this person gonna loose a big gap of potential votes in near future.
There is no particular reason to establish only a single national language in a huge region where historicly two languages are wide populated.
On February 24 2014 19:27 mahrgell wrote: - Those conditions include: -- drastic increase of gasprizes for the population (this was one of the mainreason, why Ukraine refused EU/IWF help in the past years...) -- massive budget cuts -- reducing the value of the currency even further - Russia, IWF and the EU all said, there won't be any financial aid without a stable government, which is not existant at the moment
On February 24 2014 19:02 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Zeo, u have to mention that Sevastopol has a military Russian port, and historicly a pretty big part of population is pro-russian there, but 50k is still not even close to majority of populations. Burning flags is also a sign of vandalism, almost the same as monument destructionsm, that's bad.
And please, could u hide at least some of u'r videos and pics behind the spoilers? Cause u're posting a lot together.
Already done, didn't see anything about anti-maidan protest in the thread so I put it up. Of course people need to band together to protect themselves from what is happening in the west of the country. Deep division between Russians and Ukrainians is what the nationalists want, and with that clown Yanukovych hiding in the east it just makes matters worse.
People speaking different languages had no problems until the populism of the 2004 Orange "revolution".
U are overestimating language difference in Ukraine, seriously, both languages are pretty huge and important, closing one of them will cause a serious problems for those who made such "laws", as well as this person gonna loose a big gap of potential votes in near future.
There is no particular reason to establish only a single national language in a huge region where historicly two languages are wide populated.
I think you misunderstood me, of course both languages are really important, something like 9 million people see themselves as Russians, everyone has the right to use their own language. The recent laws in the illegal government (banning all non-Ukrainian languages, trying to revoke Ukrainian citizenship of non-Ukrainians) are specifically aimed at infuriating the Russian population in the country and turning anti-crazy Ukrainians and Russians against each other.
On February 24 2014 19:27 mahrgell wrote: - Those conditions include: -- drastic increase of gasprizes for the population (this was one of the mainreason, why Ukraine refused EU/IWF help in the past years...) -- massive budget cuts -- reducing the value of the currency even further - Russia, IWF and the EU all said, there won't be any financial aid without a stable government, which is not existant at the moment
sources?
as mentioned above, reported by the german national TV(they are quite pro-demonstration), quoting IWF chief Christine Lagarde, German minister of foreign affairs Steinmeier and Russian minister of finances Siluanow
Numbers above are mostly either directly quoted from said sources, or quoted from the Ukrainian national bank
The IMF has continued to insist any aid come with strict conditions, including a devaluation of the hryvnia, Ukraine’s currency, and gradual reduction in energy subsidies, which have helped eat away at Kiev’s foreign currency reserves. According to a top IMF official, Ukraine is burning through those reserves at a rate of about $2bn per month. Christine Lagarde, IMF managing director, said on Saturday that the institution stood ready to engage with Ukraine but reiterated that conditions would be attached. “We need to operate under the rules and that means there are important economic reforms that need to be started,” she said.
The IMF never gives money away their help always comes with strict conditions. With good reason as well it shouldn't just disappear into the pockets of corrupt politicians and criminals.
On February 24 2014 19:51 zeo wrote: The recent laws in the illegal government (banning all non-Ukrainian languages, trying to revoke Ukrainian citizenship of non-Ukrainians) are specifically aimed at infuriating the Russian population in the country and turning anti-crazy Ukrainians and Russians against each other.
That is if they've existed in reality and not only in propaganda lies spread by Russian media.
On February 24 2014 20:02 RvB wrote: The IMF never gives money away their help always comes with strict conditions. With good reason as well it shouldn't just disappear into the pockets of corrupt politicians and criminals.
The people at maidan arn't really sure of who exactly is making the decisions in the government now, I highly doubt the EU is going to pump in 20 billion taxpayer dollars into that.
Turchynov quickly delivered some sobering news: The economy was in a shambles, and the government coffers empty. Ukraine’s pension fund, currency and banking system were facing “immense problems,” he said, according to the news agency RIA Novosti.
On February 24 2014 19:02 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Zeo, u have to mention that Sevastopol has a military Russian port, and historicly a pretty big part of population is pro-russian there, but 50k is still not even close to majority of populations. Burning flags is also a sign of vandalism, almost the same as monument destructionsm, that's bad.
And please, could u hide at least some of u'r videos and pics behind the spoilers? Cause u're posting a lot together.
Already done, didn't see anything about anti-maidan protest in the thread so I put it up. Of course people need to band together to protect themselves from what is happening in the west of the country. Deep division between Russians and Ukrainians is what the nationalists want, and with that clown Yanukovych hiding in the east it just makes matters worse.
People speaking different languages had no problems until the populism of the 2004 Orange "revolution".
U are overestimating language difference in Ukraine, seriously, both languages are pretty huge and important, closing one of them will cause a serious problems for those who made such "laws", as well as this person gonna loose a big gap of potential votes in near future.
There is no particular reason to establish only a single national language in a huge region where historicly two languages are wide populated.
I think you misunderstood me, of course both languages are really important, something like 9 million people see themselves as Russians, everyone has the right to use their own language. The recent laws in the illegal government (banning all non-Ukrainian languages, trying to revoke Ukrainian citizenship of non-Ukrainians) are specifically aimed at infuriating the Russian population in the country and turning anti-crazy Ukrainians and Russians against each other.
Banning non-Ukraininan languages? Are u serious? So all the tourists are illeagal? :D
On February 24 2014 19:02 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Zeo, u have to mention that Sevastopol has a military Russian port, and historicly a pretty big part of population is pro-russian there, but 50k is still not even close to majority of populations. Burning flags is also a sign of vandalism, almost the same as monument destructionsm, that's bad.
And please, could u hide at least some of u'r videos and pics behind the spoilers? Cause u're posting a lot together.
Already done, didn't see anything about anti-maidan protest in the thread so I put it up. Of course people need to band together to protect themselves from what is happening in the west of the country. Deep division between Russians and Ukrainians is what the nationalists want, and with that clown Yanukovych hiding in the east it just makes matters worse.
People speaking different languages had no problems until the populism of the 2004 Orange "revolution".
U are overestimating language difference in Ukraine, seriously, both languages are pretty huge and important, closing one of them will cause a serious problems for those who made such "laws", as well as this person gonna loose a big gap of potential votes in near future.
There is no particular reason to establish only a single national language in a huge region where historicly two languages are wide populated.
I think you misunderstood me, of course both languages are really important, something like 9 million people see themselves as Russians, everyone has the right to use their own language. The recent laws in the illegal government (banning all non-Ukrainian languages, trying to revoke Ukrainian citizenship of non-Ukrainians) are specifically aimed at infuriating the Russian population in the country and turning anti-crazy Ukrainians and Russians against each other.
Banning non-Ukraininan languages? Are u serious? So all the tourists are illeagal? :D
The Verkhovna Rada also canceled the language law that made bilingualism officially acceptable in regions where the population of national minorites is more than 10 percent), with 232 votes in favor.
On February 24 2014 19:02 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Zeo, u have to mention that Sevastopol has a military Russian port, and historicly a pretty big part of population is pro-russian there, but 50k is still not even close to majority of populations. Burning flags is also a sign of vandalism, almost the same as monument destructionsm, that's bad.
And please, could u hide at least some of u'r videos and pics behind the spoilers? Cause u're posting a lot together.
Already done, didn't see anything about anti-maidan protest in the thread so I put it up. Of course people need to band together to protect themselves from what is happening in the west of the country. Deep division between Russians and Ukrainians is what the nationalists want, and with that clown Yanukovych hiding in the east it just makes matters worse.
People speaking different languages had no problems until the populism of the 2004 Orange "revolution".
U are overestimating language difference in Ukraine, seriously, both languages are pretty huge and important, closing one of them will cause a serious problems for those who made such "laws", as well as this person gonna loose a big gap of potential votes in near future.
There is no particular reason to establish only a single national language in a huge region where historicly two languages are wide populated.
I think you misunderstood me, of course both languages are really important, something like 9 million people see themselves as Russians, everyone has the right to use their own language. The recent laws in the illegal government (banning all non-Ukrainian languages, trying to revoke Ukrainian citizenship of non-Ukrainians) are specifically aimed at infuriating the Russian population in the country and turning anti-crazy Ukrainians and Russians against each other.
Banning non-Ukraininan languages? Are u serious? So all the tourists are illeagal? :D
The Verkhovna Rada also canceled the language law that made bilingualism officially acceptable in regions where the population of national minorites is more than 10 percent), with 232 votes in favor.
No, it just means minority's in Ukraine (Russians, Hungarians, Polish, Romanian ect.) can no longer use their languages in a legal sense.
Legal sense is still a pretty wide meaning, i'm don't rly care will my diploma be in russian or ukrainian, it doesn't matter tbh, and nobody gonna be jailed if he would speaks russian/polish in the streets.
On February 24 2014 19:02 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Zeo, u have to mention that Sevastopol has a military Russian port, and historicly a pretty big part of population is pro-russian there, but 50k is still not even close to majority of populations. Burning flags is also a sign of vandalism, almost the same as monument destructionsm, that's bad.
And please, could u hide at least some of u'r videos and pics behind the spoilers? Cause u're posting a lot together.
Already done, didn't see anything about anti-maidan protest in the thread so I put it up. Of course people need to band together to protect themselves from what is happening in the west of the country. Deep division between Russians and Ukrainians is what the nationalists want, and with that clown Yanukovych hiding in the east it just makes matters worse.
People speaking different languages had no problems until the populism of the 2004 Orange "revolution".
U are overestimating language difference in Ukraine, seriously, both languages are pretty huge and important, closing one of them will cause a serious problems for those who made such "laws", as well as this person gonna loose a big gap of potential votes in near future.
There is no particular reason to establish only a single national language in a huge region where historicly two languages are wide populated.
I think you misunderstood me, of course both languages are really important, something like 9 million people see themselves as Russians, everyone has the right to use their own language. The recent laws in the illegal government (banning all non-Ukrainian languages, trying to revoke Ukrainian citizenship of non-Ukrainians) are specifically aimed at infuriating the Russian population in the country and turning anti-crazy Ukrainians and Russians against each other.
Banning non-Ukraininan languages? Are u serious? So all the tourists are illeagal? :D
The Verkhovna Rada also canceled the language law that made bilingualism officially acceptable in regions where the population of national minorites is more than 10 percent), with 232 votes in favor.
No, it just means minority's in Ukraine (Russians, Hungarians, Polish, Romanian ect.) can no longer use their languages in a legal sense.
Legal sense is still a pretty wide meaning, i'm don't rly care will my diploma be in russian or ukrainian, it doesn't matter tbh, and nobody gonna be jailed if he would speaks russian/polish in the streets.
People are worried, if the violently instated 'new-government' is doing this 2 days after taking over whats next? What does a non-elected government revoking minority rights really solve now in Ukraine?
On February 24 2014 19:02 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Zeo, u have to mention that Sevastopol has a military Russian port, and historicly a pretty big part of population is pro-russian there, but 50k is still not even close to majority of populations. Burning flags is also a sign of vandalism, almost the same as monument destructionsm, that's bad.
And please, could u hide at least some of u'r videos and pics behind the spoilers? Cause u're posting a lot together.
Already done, didn't see anything about anti-maidan protest in the thread so I put it up. Of course people need to band together to protect themselves from what is happening in the west of the country. Deep division between Russians and Ukrainians is what the nationalists want, and with that clown Yanukovych hiding in the east it just makes matters worse.
People speaking different languages had no problems until the populism of the 2004 Orange "revolution".
U are overestimating language difference in Ukraine, seriously, both languages are pretty huge and important, closing one of them will cause a serious problems for those who made such "laws", as well as this person gonna loose a big gap of potential votes in near future.
There is no particular reason to establish only a single national language in a huge region where historicly two languages are wide populated.
I think you misunderstood me, of course both languages are really important, something like 9 million people see themselves as Russians, everyone has the right to use their own language. The recent laws in the illegal government (banning all non-Ukrainian languages, trying to revoke Ukrainian citizenship of non-Ukrainians) are specifically aimed at infuriating the Russian population in the country and turning anti-crazy Ukrainians and Russians against each other.
Banning non-Ukraininan languages? Are u serious? So all the tourists are illeagal? :D
The Verkhovna Rada also canceled the language law that made bilingualism officially acceptable in regions where the population of national minorites is more than 10 percent), with 232 votes in favor.
No, it just means minority's in Ukraine (Russians, Hungarians, Polish, Romanian ect.) can no longer use their languages in a legal sense.
Legal sense is still a pretty wide meaning, i'm don't rly care will my diploma be in russian or ukrainian, it doesn't matter tbh, and nobody gonna be jailed if he would speaks russian/polish in the streets.
People are worried, if the violently instated 'new-government' is doing this 2 days after taking over whats next? What does revoking minority rights really solve now in Ukraine?
Even in the violently stated government there are smart people at the very top, and I almost sure they do realise that forcing such laws would autimaticly mean a cyvil war. Our "minority" how u called us and me also won't sit still whith such strangulating laws. People are...okay, stop it, cause am also worried about overall situation, but to speak precisely, i'm worried about financial part of revolution, and about my favorite football club might be dissapearing cause of revolution (Owner of football club was close to Yanukovich family) but no worries about language strangulation, at least in Kharkov.
On February 24 2014 19:02 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Zeo, u have to mention that Sevastopol has a military Russian port, and historicly a pretty big part of population is pro-russian there, but 50k is still not even close to majority of populations. Burning flags is also a sign of vandalism, almost the same as monument destructionsm, that's bad.
And please, could u hide at least some of u'r videos and pics behind the spoilers? Cause u're posting a lot together.
Already done, didn't see anything about anti-maidan protest in the thread so I put it up. Of course people need to band together to protect themselves from what is happening in the west of the country. Deep division between Russians and Ukrainians is what the nationalists want, and with that clown Yanukovych hiding in the east it just makes matters worse.
People speaking different languages had no problems until the populism of the 2004 Orange "revolution".
U are overestimating language difference in Ukraine, seriously, both languages are pretty huge and important, closing one of them will cause a serious problems for those who made such "laws", as well as this person gonna loose a big gap of potential votes in near future.
There is no particular reason to establish only a single national language in a huge region where historicly two languages are wide populated.
I think you misunderstood me, of course both languages are really important, something like 9 million people see themselves as Russians, everyone has the right to use their own language. The recent laws in the illegal government (banning all non-Ukrainian languages, trying to revoke Ukrainian citizenship of non-Ukrainians) are specifically aimed at infuriating the Russian population in the country and turning anti-crazy Ukrainians and Russians against each other.
Banning non-Ukraininan languages? Are u serious? So all the tourists are illeagal? :D
The Verkhovna Rada also canceled the language law that made bilingualism officially acceptable in regions where the population of national minorites is more than 10 percent), with 232 votes in favor.
No, it just means minority's in Ukraine (Russians, Hungarians, Polish, Romanian ect.) can no longer use their languages in a legal sense.
Legal sense is still a pretty wide meaning, i'm don't rly care will my diploma be in russian or ukrainian, it doesn't matter tbh, and nobody gonna be jailed if he would speaks russian/polish in the streets.
People are worried, if the violently instated 'new-government' is doing this 2 days after taking over whats next? What does revoking minority rights really solve now in Ukraine?
Even in the violently stated government there are smart people at the very top, and I almost sure they do realise that forcing such laws would autimaticly mean a cyvil war. Our "minority" how u called us and me also won't sit still whith such strangulating laws. People are...okay, stop it, cause am also worried about overall situation, but to speak precisely, i'm worried about financial part of revolution, and about my favorite football club might be dissapearing cause of revolution (Owner of football club was close to Yanukovich family) but no worries about language strangulation, at least in Kharkov.
I absolutely agree with you (except for the smart people at the very top not having sinister intentions). I just said such actions by the people that have taken over Kiev, are aimed at alienating and provoking division between the Russian and Ukrainian populations in your country, they serve no other purpose.
The financial trouble isn't because of thw revolution. Even if the deal with Russia had gone through it would have been a bandaid fix and it doesn't come for free either.
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