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maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5838 Posts
February 23 2014 17:50 GMT
#1321
On February 24 2014 01:46 darkness wrote:
Some people in Bulgaria have painted the Soviet army statue like this to support Ukraine:

[image loading]

This is from today. If you ask why we still have such a statue, then this is a really good question that needs to be pointed to ex-communists.


I would add an NKVD officer behind the soldiers to the statue - aiming at his own soldiers, like they used to. Would be so fitting.
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
February 23 2014 17:52 GMT
#1322
On February 23 2014 21:37 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2014 21:11 maybenexttime wrote:
On February 23 2014 21:02 Novel wrote:
Cool, the opposition erased regional status of russian language in the East Ukraine. Which means that there will be problems with russian cinemas, kindergardens and so on. Yeah, totally right step...


How did they do that? Aren't they in the minority in that part of Ukraine? Is this confirmed?

They have revoked this law http://www.usefoundation.org/view/628
Which mean Polish and Hungarian too, not just Russian. Though only Russian sources for now, went through at 15:16

edit: Svoboda (who Right Sector says is too liberal, you know, the armed thugs 'watching over' parliament) is also advocating revoking Ukrainian citizenship from 'non-Ukrainian' citizens


Need photoshopped picture of Hitler personally signing the law to confirm.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
February 23 2014 18:15 GMT
#1323
On February 24 2014 02:22 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2014 02:11 Nyxisto wrote:
On February 24 2014 02:02 darkness wrote:
On February 24 2014 01:58 xDaunt wrote:
On February 24 2014 01:46 darkness wrote:
Some people in Bulgaria have painted the Soviet army statue like this to support Ukraine:

[image loading]

This is from today. If you ask why we still have such a statue, then this is a really good question that needs to be pointed to ex-communists.

Hey, look on the bright side. I doubt that any of those statutes is more shameful than the one sitting in Berlin.


Is it Hitler or Karl Marx? I'm not aware of their statues.


Yes i can confirm, Hitler statues everywhere here.
On February 24 2014 02:09 xDaunt wrote:
The Soviet war memorial on the road to the Brandenburg Gate from West Berlin.

Well one-hundred thousand Soviets died just during the battle of Berlin, so I think it's okay that they get a memorial.(Also the statue shows a Soviet soldier with a German child in his hands over a broken swastika,what's so shameful about that?)

I don't want to derail the thread, but let's just say that Americans with their current sense of national pride would never tolerate something like that being on American soil, much less in the capital. Germans obviously have a very different perspective given their history and how they have been educating their children for several generations now.


It's not a matter of pride or perspective. Germany lost the war: all this is part of the peace deal. Maybe some of it is internalized by younger generations but if they rebelled against it they would be quickly isolated by the winning powers.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
February 23 2014 18:49 GMT
#1324
Hm... there are war memorials remembering quite a lot of nations on german soil. And why would anyone wan to remove them? (and why would anyone suggest to remove the soviet ones, but not the western ones?) Those soldiers fought here, those soldiers died here, those soldiers are memorialized here.

France has several francogerman war memorials as well... And they were not dictated those by any peace deals...
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-23 19:38:07
February 23 2014 19:37 GMT
#1325
A video from the inside of the house of one of the top Yanukovich allies, Pshonka, Prosecutor General.
From 1:30
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
February 23 2014 19:41 GMT
#1326
In memory of those who died
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
February 23 2014 19:49 GMT
#1327
Wow, that guy lives in a place like a palace, yet he has Christian icons. I mean... it's kind of a contradiction to me.
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
February 23 2014 19:50 GMT
#1328
This topic becomes something more than just s discussion thread, it is already a news show with "breaking news and rumors", a historical and ethnical lessons, where people all over the world debating each other about current situtation in Ukraine with knowleges from mass media. A guy from Serbia debating with guy from Poland, a guy from Germany debating with guy from US, and noone gonna overpersuade anyone :D
In memory of Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson 11.09.1985 - 21.07.2019 A tribute to incredible man, embodiment of joy, esports titan, starcraft community pillar all in one. You will always be remembered!
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
February 23 2014 19:56 GMT
#1329
Local Maidan in Saint Petersburg stood for 20 minutes
[image loading]
Lwerewolf
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria78 Posts
February 23 2014 20:05 GMT
#1330
On February 24 2014 04:50 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
This topic becomes something more than just s discussion thread, it is already a news show with "breaking news and rumors", a historical and ethnical lessons, ...


So new developments on the topic should not be mentioned in the topic?

On February 24 2014 04:50 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
...where people all over the world debating each other about current situtation in Ukraine with knowleges from mass media.


Only mass media?

On February 24 2014 04:50 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
A guy from Serbia debating with guy from Poland, a guy from Germany debating with guy from US, and noone gonna overpersuade anyone :D


Or maybe people are sharing points of view and that's one way of making sure that they understand the situation more thoroughly.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
February 23 2014 20:15 GMT
#1331
On February 24 2014 04:37 Cheerio wrote:
A video from the inside of the house of one of the top Yanukovich allies, Pshonka, Prosecutor General.
From 1:30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95ZpUYcYX8c

where is her accent from? sounds so weird.
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
February 23 2014 20:16 GMT
#1332
On February 24 2014 05:05 Lwerewolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2014 04:50 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
A guy from Serbia debating with guy from Poland, a guy from Germany debating with guy from US, and noone gonna overpersuade anyone :D


Or maybe people are sharing points of view and that's one way of making sure that they understand the situation more thoroughly.


The way I see it, internet forums are rarely about convincing the person you're arguing against, but about convincing the rest of the audience.
Bora Pain minha porra!
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
February 23 2014 20:25 GMT
#1333
On February 24 2014 05:16 Sbrubbles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2014 05:05 Lwerewolf wrote:
On February 24 2014 04:50 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
A guy from Serbia debating with guy from Poland, a guy from Germany debating with guy from US, and noone gonna overpersuade anyone :D


Or maybe people are sharing points of view and that's one way of making sure that they understand the situation more thoroughly.


The way I see it, internet forums are rarely about convincing the person you're arguing against, but about convincing the rest of the audience.

Maybe but unless Putin and Obama are reading this forum (I mean really reading, not having the NSA vacuum this data up) then I doubt anyone on here is going to change anything in the real world.
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
February 23 2014 20:47 GMT
#1334
Some oligarhs (most importantly Ahmetov and Kolomoyskiy, and Poroshenko naturally) and local high-ranked Eastern Ukraine officials claimed they would not allow for the separation of Ukraine.
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
February 23 2014 20:58 GMT
#1335
Automaidan and numerous Euromaidan activists in their interviews have already claimed they would be in opposition to the current authorities. Euromaidan stays for now.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-23 21:19:22
February 23 2014 21:18 GMT
#1336
On February 24 2014 05:16 Sbrubbles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2014 05:05 Lwerewolf wrote:
On February 24 2014 04:50 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
A guy from Serbia debating with guy from Poland, a guy from Germany debating with guy from US, and noone gonna overpersuade anyone :D


Or maybe people are sharing points of view and that's one way of making sure that they understand the situation more thoroughly.


The way I see it, internet forums are rarely about convincing the person you're arguing against, but about convincing the rest of the audience.


That's all arguments that have an audience to convince, not just the ones on the internet. Very rarely do you have an argument where one or both sides isn't strongly convinced they're right.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
February 23 2014 22:33 GMT
#1337
20 billion euros of loans are available for Ukraine, Elmar Brok, Chairman of the European Parliament Committee on Foreign Affairs, told 1+1 news.
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
February 23 2014 22:36 GMT
#1338
On February 24 2014 06:18 DeepElemBlues wrote:
...

Btw, thanks for your posts in this thread. You made lots of very good points.
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
February 23 2014 22:37 GMT
#1339
Division in Ukraine might be overstated in Western media: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/02/22/a_house_united
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
February 23 2014 22:38 GMT
#1340
On February 24 2014 04:50 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
This topic becomes something more than just s discussion thread, it is already a news show with "breaking news and rumors", a historical and ethnical lessons, where people all over the world debating each other about current situtation in Ukraine with knowleges from mass media. A guy from Serbia debating with guy from Poland, a guy from Germany debating with guy from US, and noone gonna overpersuade anyone :D
This differs from the usual stock of General Forum threads exactly how? Secondly, imagine if users couldn't select their country of origin to display on their posts. Would it help you to not overtly see that its a Serbian with that opinion, or a Pole with another? This is an international forum.

You can't reasonably expect participators to say, "Good sir, I was wrong." From discussion we learn opposing points of views and why they believe them, more news from foreign sources, etc. I would never have known that Bulgaria had a statue like that still extent or that it was painted in solidarity for Ukraine.
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