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Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-08 12:40:25
May 08 2014 12:39 GMT
#10221
Cheerio, just ignore the troll.

Edit: Zeo actually edited his post into a bannable one. What do you know. For some people, hindsight doesn't improve things :D

***
Today's operation in Mariupol (which the Ukrainian govt. declared `taken back' yesterday).



Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Ramong
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1706 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-08 12:41:03
May 08 2014 12:40 GMT
#10222
On May 08 2014 21:31 Cheerio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2014 21:05 zeo wrote:
I think you are forgetting that Ukraine has a huge ass border with Russia. I wonder if the people protesting in Kiev have a grasp of the consequences of propping up a russophobic puppet regime right on Russia's doorstep.

This is called courage, when you don't let fear to stop you from doing what needs to be done. You won't understand.

You still have to adjust your policies to your neighbors, specially if they are as big as Russia.
Denmark did that for a long time towards Germany, until we both joined the EU. And we probably still do it today somewhat
"Yeah buddy"
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-08 12:50:20
May 08 2014 12:45 GMT
#10223
On May 08 2014 21:34 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2014 21:31 Cheerio wrote:
On May 08 2014 21:05 zeo wrote:
I think you are forgetting that Ukraine has a huge ass border with Russia. I wonder if the people protesting in Kiev have a grasp of the consequences of propping up a russophobic puppet regime right on Russia's doorstep.

This is called courage, when you don't let fear to stop you from doing what needs to be done.

On topic. DNR intends to hold referendum on 11 AND 18. On 11 - independence vote, on 18 - joining Russia.

Sigh, you have doomed your country to decades of instability. Your children won't care if you tell them Russia started it, maidan could have been considered a success if they had just stuck to the agreement made with Yanukovych. Look at your country for Christs sake, this is all maidans fault.

Full retard from the begining, and you didn't answer why you didn't set fire to the country because of Yushenko

If you want to climb a higher mountain you need to go down. And my children will live in a European country when they grow up. Whether Russia will ever become one, I'm not so sure. Same for it's satellites.
kukarachaa
Profile Joined February 2011
United States284 Posts
May 08 2014 12:48 GMT
#10224
French journalists were in Mariupol yesterday, and managed to get some video.

http://www.france24.com/en/20140508-video-govt-forces-battle-control-east-ukraine-mariupol/
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6286 Posts
May 08 2014 12:51 GMT
#10225
On May 08 2014 21:45 Cheerio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2014 21:34 zeo wrote:
On May 08 2014 21:31 Cheerio wrote:
On May 08 2014 21:05 zeo wrote:
I think you are forgetting that Ukraine has a huge ass border with Russia. I wonder if the people protesting in Kiev have a grasp of the consequences of propping up a russophobic puppet regime right on Russia's doorstep.

This is called courage, when you don't let fear to stop you from doing what needs to be done.

On topic. DNR intends to hold referendum on 11 AND 18. On 11 - independence vote, on 18 - joining Russia.

Sigh, you have doomed your country to decades of instability. Your children won't care if you tell them Russia started it, maidan could have been considered a success if they had just stuck to the agreement made with Yanukovych. Look at your country for Christs sake, this is all maidans fault.

Full retard from the begining, and you didn't answer why you didn't set fire to the country because of Yushenko

If you want to climb a higher mountain you need to go down. And my children will live in a European country when they grow up. Whether Russia will ever become one, I'm not so sure.

And there are around 20 million people in your country who say their children will never live in the EU. But I guess its better to bang your head into a wall until ether the wall or your head gives way.
"If only Kircheis were here" - Everyone
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
May 08 2014 13:03 GMT
#10226
Why are you in this thread bashing someone who hopes that their country and the people in it will have a better future?
PaleMan
Profile Joined October 2002
Russian Federation1953 Posts
May 08 2014 13:03 GMT
#10227
http://top.rbc.ru/politics/08/05/2014/922687.shtml

Yacenuk said Ukrainian Army who battles "separatists" in the east would make their grandfathers from UIA proud


gj, gj
Pure fan
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
May 08 2014 13:07 GMT
#10228
On May 08 2014 21:51 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2014 21:45 Cheerio wrote:
On May 08 2014 21:34 zeo wrote:
On May 08 2014 21:31 Cheerio wrote:
On May 08 2014 21:05 zeo wrote:
I think you are forgetting that Ukraine has a huge ass border with Russia. I wonder if the people protesting in Kiev have a grasp of the consequences of propping up a russophobic puppet regime right on Russia's doorstep.

This is called courage, when you don't let fear to stop you from doing what needs to be done.

On topic. DNR intends to hold referendum on 11 AND 18. On 11 - independence vote, on 18 - joining Russia.

Sigh, you have doomed your country to decades of instability. Your children won't care if you tell them Russia started it, maidan could have been considered a success if they had just stuck to the agreement made with Yanukovych. Look at your country for Christs sake, this is all maidans fault.

Full retard from the begining, and you didn't answer why you didn't set fire to the country because of Yushenko

If you want to climb a higher mountain you need to go down. And my children will live in a European country when they grow up. Whether Russia will ever become one, I'm not so sure.

And there are around 20 million people in your country who say their children will never live in the EU. But I guess its better to bang your head into a wall until ether the wall or your head gives way.

This country is changing fast. You know how they call Euromaidan over here? "Революція Гідності" = "Revolution of Dignity".
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6286 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-08 13:12:08
May 08 2014 13:08 GMT
#10229
On May 08 2014 22:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Why are you in this thread bashing someone who hopes that their country and the people in it will have a better future?

Nobody is bashing anyone, don't be silly. There are people being killed in eastern Ukraine that also want a better future for Ukraine.

On May 08 2014 22:03 PaleMan wrote:
http://top.rbc.ru/politics/08/05/2014/922687.shtml

Show nested quote +
Yacenuk said Ukrainian Army who battles "separatists" in the east would make their grandfathers from UIA proud


gj, gj


Oh wow, thats really fucked up if he said that



Some army guy thanking the Ukrainian government for the $111 they paid him for 2 months work. Asks what if they just turned the column around and marched into Kiev
"If only Kircheis were here" - Everyone
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
May 08 2014 13:08 GMT
#10230
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Ramong
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1706 Posts
May 08 2014 13:13 GMT
#10231
On May 08 2014 21:48 kukarachaa wrote:
French journalists were in Mariupol yesterday, and managed to get some video.

http://www.france24.com/en/20140508-video-govt-forces-battle-control-east-ukraine-mariupol/


good video.

You clearly see the special forces are rather brutal, which is why they should never be used against you own population.

But you also see how brainwashed the Russian speaking Ukrainians are by Russian propaganda media claiming that the western Ukraine are all fascists.

It is like they just ignore the snipers who shot people in Kiev a couple of months ago
"Yeah buddy"
Ramong
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1706 Posts
May 08 2014 13:19 GMT
#10232
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/07/ukraine-crisis-putin-referendum-autonomy-postponed
From the article:
"So Russia has abandoned us as well," said Natalia Medvedenko, 58. "Well we will just have to fight the fascists on our own. But I still don't quite believe it."

In rebel-held Slavyansk a member of the militia who gave his name as Rustem described Putin as a coward who was "afraid of losing his money". Loading sandbags into a truck, he said: "Instead of helping Russian people here, he is betraying us. He will pay for this with a revolution in Red Square. Russian people will not stand by and watch this happen."
"Yeah buddy"
kukarachaa
Profile Joined February 2011
United States284 Posts
May 08 2014 13:19 GMT
#10233
On May 08 2014 22:08 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2014 22:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Why are you in this thread bashing someone who hopes that their country and the people in it will have a better future?

Nobody is bashing anyone, don't be silly. There are people being killed in eastern Ukraine that also want a better future for Ukraine.

Show nested quote +
On May 08 2014 22:03 PaleMan wrote:
http://top.rbc.ru/politics/08/05/2014/922687.shtml

Yacenuk said Ukrainian Army who battles "separatists" in the east would make their grandfathers from UIA proud


gj, gj


Oh wow, thats really fucked up if he said that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA8GT7n9M-c

Some army guy thanking the Ukrainian government for the $111 they paid him for 2 months work. Asks what if they just turned the column around and marched into Kiev


Well that guy is fucked.

radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
May 08 2014 13:20 GMT
#10234
Btw. a newer report from OSCE was released:
The situation in Donetsk remained tense. The City Administration building in Mariupol (113 km south of Donetsk) was found to be surrounded by tire blockades and around 50 people in front of the building. There were also posters with “OSCE get out” or “OSCE you cheat” written on them.

Source

It seems problematic to spit on OSCE like that when it is the main organisation trying to find a solution.
Repeat before me
Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-08 16:46:04
May 08 2014 16:42 GMT
#10235
On May 08 2014 22:08 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2014 22:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Why are you in this thread bashing someone who hopes that their country and the people in it will have a better future?

Nobody is bashing anyone, don't be silly. There are people being killed in eastern Ukraine that also want a better future for Ukraine.

Show nested quote +
On May 08 2014 22:03 PaleMan wrote:
http://top.rbc.ru/politics/08/05/2014/922687.shtml

Yacenuk said Ukrainian Army who battles "separatists" in the east would make their grandfathers from UIA proud


gj, gj


Oh wow, thats really fucked up if he said that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA8GT7n9M-c

Some army guy thanking the Ukrainian government for the $111 they paid him for 2 months work. Asks what if they just turned the column around and marched into Kiev

Perhaps they paid him that much because of the fucking galleon that "his" president built himself, gobbled up too much of tax payers money? Too bad he could not set sail and gtfo on it, because it was docked in a fucking artificial lake. Oh wait, but its current govt fault that there is no money, right?
Greem
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
730 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-08 17:02:59
May 08 2014 17:02 GMT
#10236
On May 08 2014 22:07 Cheerio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2014 21:51 zeo wrote:
On May 08 2014 21:45 Cheerio wrote:
On May 08 2014 21:34 zeo wrote:
On May 08 2014 21:31 Cheerio wrote:
On May 08 2014 21:05 zeo wrote:
I think you are forgetting that Ukraine has a huge ass border with Russia. I wonder if the people protesting in Kiev have a grasp of the consequences of propping up a russophobic puppet regime right on Russia's doorstep.

This is called courage, when you don't let fear to stop you from doing what needs to be done.

On topic. DNR intends to hold referendum on 11 AND 18. On 11 - independence vote, on 18 - joining Russia.

Sigh, you have doomed your country to decades of instability. Your children won't care if you tell them Russia started it, maidan could have been considered a success if they had just stuck to the agreement made with Yanukovych. Look at your country for Christs sake, this is all maidans fault.

Full retard from the begining, and you didn't answer why you didn't set fire to the country because of Yushenko

If you want to climb a higher mountain you need to go down. And my children will live in a European country when they grow up. Whether Russia will ever become one, I'm not so sure.

And there are around 20 million people in your country who say their children will never live in the EU. But I guess its better to bang your head into a wall until ether the wall or your head gives way.

This country is changing fast. You know how they call Euromaidan over here? "Революція Гідності" = "Revolution of Dignity".


Stop thinking that your opinion is the opinion of everyone else, its simply not, and not by small margin, You from Kiev i believe, and with every "revolution" you chant the same thing. You put European, before Country, before people, you so desperate that you accept anything from anyone who says that its coming with help. So your Revolution od Dignity, only brought Despair and Blood so far, and dont shout , like you're shouting for everyone else in your country.
youtube.com/N0rthernL1ght
Mc
Profile Joined March 2010
332 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-08 17:23:13
May 08 2014 17:23 GMT
#10237
@greem
Cheerio has been pretty good at keeping his cool in this thread and being quite factual rather than posting just opinion or posts like "my children will live in a European country" and "Revolution of Dignity".

I think Zeo trolling him with his incessant bullshit led him to let off some emotion. Look at Zeo's post before he said anything non-factual:
"Sigh, you have doomed your country to decades of instability. Your children won't care if you tell them Russia started it, maidan could have been considered a success if they had just stuck to the agreement made with Yanukovych. Look at your country for Christs sake, this is all maidans fault.

Full retard from the begining, and you didn't answer why you didn't set fire to the country because of Yushenko"
5hh.gg
kukarachaa
Profile Joined February 2011
United States284 Posts
May 08 2014 17:27 GMT
#10238
On May 09 2014 01:42 Roman666 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2014 22:08 zeo wrote:
On May 08 2014 22:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Why are you in this thread bashing someone who hopes that their country and the people in it will have a better future?

Nobody is bashing anyone, don't be silly. There are people being killed in eastern Ukraine that also want a better future for Ukraine.

On May 08 2014 22:03 PaleMan wrote:
http://top.rbc.ru/politics/08/05/2014/922687.shtml

Yacenuk said Ukrainian Army who battles "separatists" in the east would make their grandfathers from UIA proud


gj, gj


Oh wow, thats really fucked up if he said that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA8GT7n9M-c

Some army guy thanking the Ukrainian government for the $111 they paid him for 2 months work. Asks what if they just turned the column around and marched into Kiev

Perhaps they paid him that much because of the fucking galleon that "his" president built himself, gobbled up too much of tax payers money? Too bad he could not set sail and gtfo on it, because it was docked in a fucking artificial lake. Oh wait, but its current govt fault that there is no money, right?


Money wasn't his main complain, he is the rest of it " Dear Mr. Yatsunik, I wish on you, what I had to hear from my brothers and sisters from both Kiev and from here. Trust me I am ashamed. Think about it. Because we can easily turn this column around towards Kiev.
Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
May 08 2014 17:41 GMT
#10239
On May 09 2014 02:27 kukarachaa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2014 01:42 Roman666 wrote:
On May 08 2014 22:08 zeo wrote:
On May 08 2014 22:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Why are you in this thread bashing someone who hopes that their country and the people in it will have a better future?

Nobody is bashing anyone, don't be silly. There are people being killed in eastern Ukraine that also want a better future for Ukraine.

On May 08 2014 22:03 PaleMan wrote:
http://top.rbc.ru/politics/08/05/2014/922687.shtml

Yacenuk said Ukrainian Army who battles "separatists" in the east would make their grandfathers from UIA proud


gj, gj


Oh wow, thats really fucked up if he said that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA8GT7n9M-c

Some army guy thanking the Ukrainian government for the $111 they paid him for 2 months work. Asks what if they just turned the column around and marched into Kiev

Perhaps they paid him that much because of the fucking galleon that "his" president built himself, gobbled up too much of tax payers money? Too bad he could not set sail and gtfo on it, because it was docked in a fucking artificial lake. Oh wait, but its current govt fault that there is no money, right?


Money wasn't his main complain, he is the rest of it " Dear Mr. Yatsunik, I wish on you, what I had to hear from my brothers and sisters from both Kiev and from here. Trust me I am ashamed. Think about it. Because we can easily turn this column around towards Kiev.

But zeo's main concern about the video was money and I wanted to alleviate it so he could sleep better.
Mc
Profile Joined March 2010
332 Posts
May 08 2014 17:44 GMT
#10240
How about we look at Gross National Income per capita of Ukraine compared to other countries :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ukr_world_GNI_percapita.PNG

From my count, 9 countries in *Africa* have a higher GNI per capita than Ukraine.

It seems like Ukraine is doing quite well being Russia's bitch. The only *hope* for growth/development is to ally economically/politically with the EU. It's just a hope, but it's better than continued stagnation and kleptocracy.
5hh.gg
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