On May 09 2014 02:23 Mc wrote: @greem Cheerio has been pretty good at keeping his cool in this thread and being quite factual rather than posting just opinion or posts like "my children will live in a European country" and "Revolution of Dignity".
I think Zeo trolling him with his incessant bullshit led him to let off some emotion. Look at Zeo's post before he said anything non-factual: "Sigh, you have doomed your country to decades of instability. Your children won't care if you tell them Russia started it, maidan could have been considered a success if they had just stuck to the agreement made with Yanukovych. Look at your country for Christs sake, this is all maidans fault.
Full retard from the begining, and you didn't answer why you didn't set fire to the country because of Yushenko"
What does the facts he found or posted this posted that, have to do with what i said ? In all his posts from the begining he acts as if everything he research and post is the supreme truth and the only way, and everyone from Ukraine supports his opinion, a guy probably in early or late 20', a typical crusader of "New" Ukraine of Euromaidan. Everybody wants to live better but not everyone agrees with his ways of changing things, that doesn't make them less or more ukrainians, thats what i meant, or Am I the only one who spots in his speech and responses totalitarian like response for all the Ukrainians ? if so, I apologize.
Am i the only one who spots in his speech and responses totalitarian like response for all the Ukrainians ?
No, that's definitely there. Good to know that not all Ukranians have lost their sense of reason - from all the ones I know, it sure seems like they did.
On May 08 2014 22:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Why are you in this thread bashing someone who hopes that their country and the people in it will have a better future?
Nobody is bashing anyone, don't be silly. There are people being killed in eastern Ukraine that also want a better future for Ukraine.
Yacenuk said Ukrainian Army who battles "separatists" in the east would make their grandfathers from UIA proud
gj, gj
Oh wow, thats really fucked up if he said that
Some army guy thanking the Ukrainian government for the $111 they paid him for 2 months work. Asks what if they just turned the column around and marched into Kiev
Perhaps they paid him that much because of the fucking galleon that "his" president built himself, gobbled up too much of tax payers money? Too bad he could not set sail and gtfo on it, because it was docked in a fucking artificial lake. Oh wait, but its current govt fault that there is no money, right?
Money wasn't his main complain, he is the rest of it " Dear Mr. Yatsunik, I wish on you, what I had to hear from my brothers and sisters from both Kiev and from here. Trust me I am ashamed. Think about it. Because we can easily turn this column around towards Kiev.
But zeo's main concern about the video was money and I wanted to alleviate it so he could sleep better.
Am i the only one who spots in his speech and responses totalitarian like response for all the Ukrainians ?
No, that's definitely there. Good to know that not all Ukranians have lost their sense of reason - from all the ones I know, it sure seems like they did.
Oh well, Gleem, looks like you are a minority after all.
Am i the only one who spots in his speech and responses totalitarian like response for all the Ukrainians ?
No, that's definitely there. Good to know that not all Ukranians have lost their sense of reason - from all the ones I know, it sure seems like they did.
Oh well, Gleem, looks like you are a minority after all.
on this forum yes, but situation is quite opposite in the russian-speaking forums
Am i the only one who spots in his speech and responses totalitarian like response for all the Ukrainians ?
No, that's definitely there. Good to know that not all Ukranians have lost their sense of reason - from all the ones I know, it sure seems like they did.
Oh well, Gleem, looks like you are a minority after all.
on this forum yes, but situation is quite opposite in the russian-speaking forums
On May 09 2014 02:23 Mc wrote: @greem Cheerio has been pretty good at keeping his cool in this thread and being quite factual rather than posting just opinion or posts like "my children will live in a European country" and "Revolution of Dignity".
I think Zeo trolling him with his incessant bullshit led him to let off some emotion. Look at Zeo's post before he said anything non-factual: "Sigh, you have doomed your country to decades of instability. Your children won't care if you tell them Russia started it, maidan could have been considered a success if they had just stuck to the agreement made with Yanukovych. Look at your country for Christs sake, this is all maidans fault.
Full retard from the begining, and you didn't answer why you didn't set fire to the country because of Yushenko"
What does the facts he found or posted this posted that, have to do with what i said ? In all his posts from the begining he acts as if everything he research and post is the supreme truth and the only way, and everyone from Ukraine supports his opinion, a guy probably in early or late 20', a typical crusader of "New" Ukraine of Euromaidan. Everybody wants to live better but not everyone agrees with his ways of changing things, that doesn't make them less or more ukrainians, thats what i meant, or Am I the only one who spots in his speech and responses totalitarian like response for all the Ukrainians ? if so, I apologize.
people read him like hundreds of pages ago, don't stress over it .Ghanburighan too. you know what to expect from them so their posts become dull pretty quick
Am i the only one who spots in his speech and responses totalitarian like response for all the Ukrainians ?
No, that's definitely there. Good to know that not all Ukranians have lost their sense of reason - from all the ones I know, it sure seems like they did.
Oh well, Gleem, looks like you are a minority after all.
on this forum yes, but situation is quite opposite in the russian-speaking forums
Because those are dominated by people paid to post russian propaganda, as we have witnessed and as his been stated in articles, and as can be witnessed in many comments to articles.
Am i the only one who spots in his speech and responses totalitarian like response for all the Ukrainians ?
No, that's definitely there. Good to know that not all Ukranians have lost their sense of reason - from all the ones I know, it sure seems like they did.
Oh well, Gleem, looks like you are a minority after all.
on this forum yes, but situation is quite opposite in the russian-speaking forums
Because those are dominated by people paid to post russian propaganda, as we have witnessed and as his been stated in articles, and as can be witnessed in many comments to articles.
Are you saying you disagree, or just making a point?
Am i the only one who spots in his speech and responses totalitarian like response for all the Ukrainians ?
No, that's definitely there. Good to know that not all Ukranians have lost their sense of reason - from all the ones I know, it sure seems like they did.
Oh well, Gleem, looks like you are a minority after all.
on this forum yes, but situation is quite opposite in the russian-speaking forums
Because those are dominated by people paid to post russian propaganda, as we have witnessed and as his been stated in articles, and as can be witnessed in many comments to articles.
Are you saying you disagree, or just making a point?
I'm saying of course russian speaking forums will have a majority in favor of the russian side, they have a lot of the paid russian forum posters spreading their propaganda and making posts. I'm saying that's not a good indication of how many people in russia truly believe that point of view, even if I'm sure many do as their media only offers that side and no outside opinion is allowed in russia.
Am i the only one who spots in his speech and responses totalitarian like response for all the Ukrainians ?
No, that's definitely there. Good to know that not all Ukranians have lost their sense of reason - from all the ones I know, it sure seems like they did.
Oh well, Gleem, looks like you are a minority after all.
on this forum yes, but situation is quite opposite in the russian-speaking forums
Because those are dominated by people paid to post russian propaganda, as we have witnessed and as his been stated in articles, and as can be witnessed in many comments to articles.
Are you saying you disagree, or just making a point?
I'm saying of course russian speaking forums will have a majority in favor of the russian side, they have a lot of the paid russian forum posters spreading their propaganda and making posts. I'm saying that's not a good indication of how many people in russia truly believe that point of view, even if I'm sure many do as their media only offers that side and no outside opinion is allowed in russia.
lol, dude, i'm russian and i read russian media and there are some that provides valid info from both sides. I too am allowed to have another opinion (which i do). Stop spreading BS.
Am i the only one who spots in his speech and responses totalitarian like response for all the Ukrainians ?
No, that's definitely there. Good to know that not all Ukranians have lost their sense of reason - from all the ones I know, it sure seems like they did.
Oh well, Gleem, looks like you are a minority after all.
on this forum yes, but situation is quite opposite in the russian-speaking forums
Because those are dominated by people paid to post russian propaganda, as we have witnessed and as his been stated in articles, and as can be witnessed in many comments to articles.
Are you saying you disagree, or just making a point?
I'm saying of course russian speaking forums will have a majority in favor of the russian side, they have a lot of the paid russian forum posters spreading their propaganda and making posts. I'm saying that's not a good indication of how many people in russia truly believe that point of view, even if I'm sure many do as their media only offers that side and no outside opinion is allowed in russia.
lol, dude, i'm russian and i read russian media and there are some that provides valid info from both sides. I too am allowed to have another opinion (which i do). Stop spreading BS.
Which Russian news sources do you read? All of the objective ones I knew have been closed, I literally know zero independent sources at the moment.
Am i the only one who spots in his speech and responses totalitarian like response for all the Ukrainians ?
No, that's definitely there. Good to know that not all Ukranians have lost their sense of reason - from all the ones I know, it sure seems like they did.
Oh well, Gleem, looks like you are a minority after all.
on this forum yes, but situation is quite opposite in the russian-speaking forums
Because those are dominated by people paid to post russian propaganda, as we have witnessed and as his been stated in articles, and as can be witnessed in many comments to articles.
Are you saying you disagree, or just making a point?
I'm saying of course russian speaking forums will have a majority in favor of the russian side, they have a lot of the paid russian forum posters spreading their propaganda and making posts. I'm saying that's not a good indication of how many people in russia truly believe that point of view, even if I'm sure many do as their media only offers that side and no outside opinion is allowed in russia.
lol, dude, i'm russian and i read russian media and there are some that provides valid info from both sides. I too am allowed to have another opinion (which i do). Stop spreading BS.
There is at least a concern that Russia is cracking down on dissent in their own country. You don't seem biased, I encourage you to read this article by Al Jazeera, it provides information directly from Russian journalists as to what has happened in Russia in the past few years. I doubt that they can quash all dissent, but it is a worrying picture. I would not be surprised to see most Russians becoming increasingly brainwashed as time passes.
Am i the only one who spots in his speech and responses totalitarian like response for all the Ukrainians ?
No, that's definitely there. Good to know that not all Ukranians have lost their sense of reason - from all the ones I know, it sure seems like they did.
Oh well, Gleem, looks like you are a minority after all.
on this forum yes, but situation is quite opposite in the russian-speaking forums
Because those are dominated by people paid to post russian propaganda, as we have witnessed and as his been stated in articles, and as can be witnessed in many comments to articles.
Are you saying you disagree, or just making a point?
I'm saying of course russian speaking forums will have a majority in favor of the russian side, they have a lot of the paid russian forum posters spreading their propaganda and making posts. I'm saying that's not a good indication of how many people in russia truly believe that point of view, even if I'm sure many do as their media only offers that side and no outside opinion is allowed in russia.
lol, dude, i'm russian and i read russian media and there are some that provides valid info from both sides. I too am allowed to have another opinion (which i do). Stop spreading BS.
There is at least a concern that Russia is cracking down on dissent in their own country. You don't seem biased, I encourage you to read this article by Al Jazeera, it provides information directly from Russian journalists as to what has happened in Russia in the past few years. I doubt that they can quash all dissent, but it is a worrying picture. I would not be surprised to see most Russians becoming increasingly brainwashed as time passes.
funny thing is that those of them who this brainwashing machine is working for they don't watch/read media anyways. For those who needs to find the truth (and that;s a minority) - they find it. So we (this minority) is fully aware of this propaganda and there are people who take actions against it (before they shut down internet, which we are getting really close).
Russian media is no different from US or EU - they filter and I myself living in UK never saw the full picture from brainwashing BBC and tried to figure why Russians wanted to make a referendum to leave Ukraine. Below is a video with translation and I point out that it's not filtered so enjoy it as documentary. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=632548940164966
P.S. I'm half Ukranian because my dad is a Ukranian but he has a different passport so I am afraid for him trying to go to Ukraine anytime soon because as you see in that documentary - tourist bus gets stopped and people with not Ukranian passports thrown on the ground.
On May 09 2014 05:51 Hazzyboy wrote: Russian media is no different from US or EU - they filter and I myself living in UK never saw the full picture from brainwashing BBC and tried to figure why Russians wanted to make a referendum to leave Ukraine. Below is a video with translation and I point out that it's not filtered so enjoy it as documentary. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=632548940164966
P.S. I'm half Ukranian because my dad is a Ukranian but he has a different passport so I am afraid for him trying to go to Ukraine anytime soon because as you see in that documentary - tourist bus gets stopped and people with not Ukranian passports thrown on the ground.
They are distinctly different. Russian media is mostly stateowned, if not stateowned if they gather any significant attention they become semi-state controlled. State media doesn't always equate to more restricted media but in this case it very much does. http://en.rsf.org/press-freedom-index-2013,1054.html
They are distinctly different. Russian media is mostly stateowned, if not stateowned if they gather any significant attention they become semi-state controlled. State media doesn't always equate to more restricted media but in this case it very much does. http://en.rsf.org/press-freedom-index-2013,1054.html
Is privately owned media any different? They show what makes them more profit and whoever pays more. Good example is CNN and how they put a SAD music background, while showing scenes after natural disaster with people who lost everything to make higher ratings from scenes that require silence instead of cheesy music. Finland is an exception from rules and if you lose your wallet with good sum of money in Finland or Norway there's a much higher chance to get it returned than in any other EU country and I know it from experience.
They are distinctly different. Russian media is mostly stateowned, if not stateowned if they gather any significant attention they become semi-state controlled. State media doesn't always equate to more restricted media but in this case it very much does. http://en.rsf.org/press-freedom-index-2013,1054.html
Is privately owned media any different? They show what makes them more profit and whoever pays more. Good example is CNN and how they put a SAD music background, while showing scenes after natural disaster with people who lost everything to make higher ratings from scenes that require silence instead of cheesy music. Finland is an exception from rules and if you lose your wallet with good sum of money in Finland or Norway there's a much higher chance to get it returned than in any other EU country and I know it from experience.
It's not that that statecontrolled media is bad inherently.
It's that russian medias chose to forfeit their duties, and instead became a "voice of the state" instead of being critical. Or journalistic, for that matter.
It's not the stateownership that makes russian medias bad, it's their blatant manipulation of facts. Knowingly. As was pointed out over and over again. And we're not talking about "word something in favor of something", we're talking blatant lying, "forgetting" important parts of the picture, etc etc.
The russian-language-law and their coverage was a brilliant example. Hint: they never reported that the law didn't make it through.
Russian media is no different from US or EU - they filter and I myself living in UK never saw the full picture from brainwashing BBC and tried to figure why Russians wanted to make a referendum to leave Ukraine.
I live in wales at the moment, and no, you're wrong. If you rely on daily mail and crap like that, then maybe, but to be honest, in that case there would be nobody but yourself to blame.
And further, german medias for the most part report unbiased.
I think there is a strong tendency in these discourses today that you need to be balanced on every topic or else you're just biased. "Russian and Western media are totally the same, because if I'd say something else I'd be biased and have such a undifferentiated opinion!"
The Russian and Western media landscape are nothing alike. Try to find Russian dissent blogs online, whoops won't work, they're most likely banned again. Turn on the Russian state television, oh Kiselyov is threatening to turn the US into a pile of nuclear waste (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkMT_oLempE)
Not every coin has two sides, I think this "yeah but we need to be balanced" just for the sake of it is a little ridiculous.
EPT
.Ghanburighan too.
