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Greem
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
730 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-08 18:09:20
May 08 2014 17:48 GMT
#10241
On May 09 2014 02:23 Mc wrote:
@greem
Cheerio has been pretty good at keeping his cool in this thread and being quite factual rather than posting just opinion or posts like "my children will live in a European country" and "Revolution of Dignity".

I think Zeo trolling him with his incessant bullshit led him to let off some emotion. Look at Zeo's post before he said anything non-factual:
"Sigh, you have doomed your country to decades of instability. Your children won't care if you tell them Russia started it, maidan could have been considered a success if they had just stuck to the agreement made with Yanukovych. Look at your country for Christs sake, this is all maidans fault.

Full retard from the begining, and you didn't answer why you didn't set fire to the country because of Yushenko"


What does the facts he found or posted this posted that, have to do with what i said ? In all his posts from the begining he acts as if everything he research and post is the supreme truth and the only way, and everyone from Ukraine supports his opinion, a guy probably in early or late 20', a typical crusader of "New" Ukraine of Euromaidan. Everybody wants to live better but not everyone agrees with his ways of changing things, that doesn't make them less or more ukrainians, thats what i meant, or Am I the only one who spots in his speech and responses totalitarian like response for all the Ukrainians ? if so, I apologize.
youtube.com/N0rthernL1ght
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
May 08 2014 17:57 GMT
#10242
Am i the only one who spots in his speech and responses totalitarian like response for all the Ukrainians ?

No, that's definitely there.
Good to know that not all Ukranians have lost their sense of reason - from all the ones I know, it sure seems like they did.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
kukarachaa
Profile Joined February 2011
United States284 Posts
May 08 2014 17:58 GMT
#10243
On May 09 2014 02:41 Roman666 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2014 02:27 kukarachaa wrote:
On May 09 2014 01:42 Roman666 wrote:
On May 08 2014 22:08 zeo wrote:
On May 08 2014 22:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Why are you in this thread bashing someone who hopes that their country and the people in it will have a better future?

Nobody is bashing anyone, don't be silly. There are people being killed in eastern Ukraine that also want a better future for Ukraine.

On May 08 2014 22:03 PaleMan wrote:
http://top.rbc.ru/politics/08/05/2014/922687.shtml

Yacenuk said Ukrainian Army who battles "separatists" in the east would make their grandfathers from UIA proud


gj, gj


Oh wow, thats really fucked up if he said that



Some army guy thanking the Ukrainian government for the $111 they paid him for 2 months work. Asks what if they just turned the column around and marched into Kiev

Perhaps they paid him that much because of the fucking galleon that "his" president built himself, gobbled up too much of tax payers money? Too bad he could not set sail and gtfo on it, because it was docked in a fucking artificial lake. Oh wait, but its current govt fault that there is no money, right?


Money wasn't his main complain, he is the rest of it " Dear Mr. Yatsunik, I wish on you, what I had to hear from my brothers and sisters from both Kiev and from here. Trust me I am ashamed. Think about it. Because we can easily turn this column around towards Kiev.

But zeo's main concern about the video was money and I wanted to alleviate it so he could sleep better.


Fair enough.
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
May 08 2014 18:42 GMT
#10244
On May 09 2014 02:57 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
Am i the only one who spots in his speech and responses totalitarian like response for all the Ukrainians ?

No, that's definitely there.
Good to know that not all Ukranians have lost their sense of reason - from all the ones I know, it sure seems like they did.

Oh well, Gleem, looks like you are a minority after all.
PaleMan
Profile Joined October 2002
Russian Federation1953 Posts
May 08 2014 18:54 GMT
#10245
On May 09 2014 03:42 Cheerio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2014 02:57 LegalLord wrote:
Am i the only one who spots in his speech and responses totalitarian like response for all the Ukrainians ?

No, that's definitely there.
Good to know that not all Ukranians have lost their sense of reason - from all the ones I know, it sure seems like they did.

Oh well, Gleem, looks like you are a minority after all.


on this forum yes, but situation is quite opposite in the russian-speaking forums
Pure fan
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
May 08 2014 19:02 GMT
#10246
On May 09 2014 03:54 PaleMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2014 03:42 Cheerio wrote:
On May 09 2014 02:57 LegalLord wrote:
Am i the only one who spots in his speech and responses totalitarian like response for all the Ukrainians ?

No, that's definitely there.
Good to know that not all Ukranians have lost their sense of reason - from all the ones I know, it sure seems like they did.

Oh well, Gleem, looks like you are a minority after all.


on this forum yes, but situation is quite opposite in the russian-speaking forums

and what about Ukrainian-speaking forums?
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5296 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-08 19:12:05
May 08 2014 19:11 GMT
#10247
On May 09 2014 02:48 Greem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2014 02:23 Mc wrote:
@greem
Cheerio has been pretty good at keeping his cool in this thread and being quite factual rather than posting just opinion or posts like "my children will live in a European country" and "Revolution of Dignity".

I think Zeo trolling him with his incessant bullshit led him to let off some emotion. Look at Zeo's post before he said anything non-factual:
"Sigh, you have doomed your country to decades of instability. Your children won't care if you tell them Russia started it, maidan could have been considered a success if they had just stuck to the agreement made with Yanukovych. Look at your country for Christs sake, this is all maidans fault.

Full retard from the begining, and you didn't answer why you didn't set fire to the country because of Yushenko"


What does the facts he found or posted this posted that, have to do with what i said ? In all his posts from the begining he acts as if everything he research and post is the supreme truth and the only way, and everyone from Ukraine supports his opinion, a guy probably in early or late 20', a typical crusader of "New" Ukraine of Euromaidan. Everybody wants to live better but not everyone agrees with his ways of changing things, that doesn't make them less or more ukrainians, thats what i meant, or Am I the only one who spots in his speech and responses totalitarian like response for all the Ukrainians ? if so, I apologize.

people read him like hundreds of pages ago, don't stress over it .Ghanburighan too.
you know what to expect from them so their posts become dull pretty quick
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
May 08 2014 19:13 GMT
#10248
On May 09 2014 03:54 PaleMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2014 03:42 Cheerio wrote:
On May 09 2014 02:57 LegalLord wrote:
Am i the only one who spots in his speech and responses totalitarian like response for all the Ukrainians ?

No, that's definitely there.
Good to know that not all Ukranians have lost their sense of reason - from all the ones I know, it sure seems like they did.

Oh well, Gleem, looks like you are a minority after all.


on this forum yes, but situation is quite opposite in the russian-speaking forums


Because those are dominated by people paid to post russian propaganda, as we have witnessed and as his been stated in articles, and as can be witnessed in many comments to articles.
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9718 Posts
May 08 2014 19:14 GMT
#10249
On May 09 2014 04:13 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2014 03:54 PaleMan wrote:
On May 09 2014 03:42 Cheerio wrote:
On May 09 2014 02:57 LegalLord wrote:
Am i the only one who spots in his speech and responses totalitarian like response for all the Ukrainians ?

No, that's definitely there.
Good to know that not all Ukranians have lost their sense of reason - from all the ones I know, it sure seems like they did.

Oh well, Gleem, looks like you are a minority after all.


on this forum yes, but situation is quite opposite in the russian-speaking forums


Because those are dominated by people paid to post russian propaganda, as we have witnessed and as his been stated in articles, and as can be witnessed in many comments to articles.

Are you saying you disagree, or just making a point?
RIP Meatloaf <3
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
May 08 2014 19:18 GMT
#10250

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More US presence in Europe:

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Background:
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
May 08 2014 19:20 GMT
#10251
On May 09 2014 04:14 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2014 04:13 hunts wrote:
On May 09 2014 03:54 PaleMan wrote:
On May 09 2014 03:42 Cheerio wrote:
On May 09 2014 02:57 LegalLord wrote:
Am i the only one who spots in his speech and responses totalitarian like response for all the Ukrainians ?

No, that's definitely there.
Good to know that not all Ukranians have lost their sense of reason - from all the ones I know, it sure seems like they did.

Oh well, Gleem, looks like you are a minority after all.


on this forum yes, but situation is quite opposite in the russian-speaking forums


Because those are dominated by people paid to post russian propaganda, as we have witnessed and as his been stated in articles, and as can be witnessed in many comments to articles.

Are you saying you disagree, or just making a point?


I'm saying of course russian speaking forums will have a majority in favor of the russian side, they have a lot of the paid russian forum posters spreading their propaganda and making posts. I'm saying that's not a good indication of how many people in russia truly believe that point of view, even if I'm sure many do as their media only offers that side and no outside opinion is allowed in russia.
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4028 Posts
May 08 2014 20:29 GMT
#10252
On May 09 2014 04:20 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2014 04:14 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 09 2014 04:13 hunts wrote:
On May 09 2014 03:54 PaleMan wrote:
On May 09 2014 03:42 Cheerio wrote:
On May 09 2014 02:57 LegalLord wrote:
Am i the only one who spots in his speech and responses totalitarian like response for all the Ukrainians ?

No, that's definitely there.
Good to know that not all Ukranians have lost their sense of reason - from all the ones I know, it sure seems like they did.

Oh well, Gleem, looks like you are a minority after all.


on this forum yes, but situation is quite opposite in the russian-speaking forums


Because those are dominated by people paid to post russian propaganda, as we have witnessed and as his been stated in articles, and as can be witnessed in many comments to articles.

Are you saying you disagree, or just making a point?


I'm saying of course russian speaking forums will have a majority in favor of the russian side, they have a lot of the paid russian forum posters spreading their propaganda and making posts. I'm saying that's not a good indication of how many people in russia truly believe that point of view, even if I'm sure many do as their media only offers that side and no outside opinion is allowed in russia.


lol, dude, i'm russian and i read russian media and there are some that provides valid info from both sides. I too am allowed to have another opinion (which i do). Stop spreading BS.
Drone is a way of living
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
May 08 2014 20:31 GMT
#10253
On May 09 2014 05:29 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2014 04:20 hunts wrote:
On May 09 2014 04:14 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 09 2014 04:13 hunts wrote:
On May 09 2014 03:54 PaleMan wrote:
On May 09 2014 03:42 Cheerio wrote:
On May 09 2014 02:57 LegalLord wrote:
Am i the only one who spots in his speech and responses totalitarian like response for all the Ukrainians ?

No, that's definitely there.
Good to know that not all Ukranians have lost their sense of reason - from all the ones I know, it sure seems like they did.

Oh well, Gleem, looks like you are a minority after all.


on this forum yes, but situation is quite opposite in the russian-speaking forums


Because those are dominated by people paid to post russian propaganda, as we have witnessed and as his been stated in articles, and as can be witnessed in many comments to articles.

Are you saying you disagree, or just making a point?


I'm saying of course russian speaking forums will have a majority in favor of the russian side, they have a lot of the paid russian forum posters spreading their propaganda and making posts. I'm saying that's not a good indication of how many people in russia truly believe that point of view, even if I'm sure many do as their media only offers that side and no outside opinion is allowed in russia.


lol, dude, i'm russian and i read russian media and there are some that provides valid info from both sides. I too am allowed to have another opinion (which i do). Stop spreading BS.


Which Russian news sources do you read? All of the objective ones I knew have been closed, I literally know zero independent sources at the moment.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
radscorpion9
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada2252 Posts
May 08 2014 20:38 GMT
#10254
On May 09 2014 05:29 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2014 04:20 hunts wrote:
On May 09 2014 04:14 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 09 2014 04:13 hunts wrote:
On May 09 2014 03:54 PaleMan wrote:
On May 09 2014 03:42 Cheerio wrote:
On May 09 2014 02:57 LegalLord wrote:
Am i the only one who spots in his speech and responses totalitarian like response for all the Ukrainians ?

No, that's definitely there.
Good to know that not all Ukranians have lost their sense of reason - from all the ones I know, it sure seems like they did.

Oh well, Gleem, looks like you are a minority after all.


on this forum yes, but situation is quite opposite in the russian-speaking forums


Because those are dominated by people paid to post russian propaganda, as we have witnessed and as his been stated in articles, and as can be witnessed in many comments to articles.

Are you saying you disagree, or just making a point?


I'm saying of course russian speaking forums will have a majority in favor of the russian side, they have a lot of the paid russian forum posters spreading their propaganda and making posts. I'm saying that's not a good indication of how many people in russia truly believe that point of view, even if I'm sure many do as their media only offers that side and no outside opinion is allowed in russia.


lol, dude, i'm russian and i read russian media and there are some that provides valid info from both sides. I too am allowed to have another opinion (which i do). Stop spreading BS.


There is at least a concern that Russia is cracking down on dissent in their own country. You don't seem biased, I encourage you to read this article by Al Jazeera, it provides information directly from Russian journalists as to what has happened in Russia in the past few years. I doubt that they can quash all dissent, but it is a worrying picture. I would not be surprised to see most Russians becoming increasingly brainwashed as time passes.

Russia's independent media face crackdown.

I hope you survive through all of this!
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4028 Posts
May 08 2014 20:43 GMT
#10255
On May 09 2014 05:38 radscorpion9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2014 05:29 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
On May 09 2014 04:20 hunts wrote:
On May 09 2014 04:14 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 09 2014 04:13 hunts wrote:
On May 09 2014 03:54 PaleMan wrote:
On May 09 2014 03:42 Cheerio wrote:
On May 09 2014 02:57 LegalLord wrote:
Am i the only one who spots in his speech and responses totalitarian like response for all the Ukrainians ?

No, that's definitely there.
Good to know that not all Ukranians have lost their sense of reason - from all the ones I know, it sure seems like they did.

Oh well, Gleem, looks like you are a minority after all.


on this forum yes, but situation is quite opposite in the russian-speaking forums


Because those are dominated by people paid to post russian propaganda, as we have witnessed and as his been stated in articles, and as can be witnessed in many comments to articles.

Are you saying you disagree, or just making a point?


I'm saying of course russian speaking forums will have a majority in favor of the russian side, they have a lot of the paid russian forum posters spreading their propaganda and making posts. I'm saying that's not a good indication of how many people in russia truly believe that point of view, even if I'm sure many do as their media only offers that side and no outside opinion is allowed in russia.


lol, dude, i'm russian and i read russian media and there are some that provides valid info from both sides. I too am allowed to have another opinion (which i do). Stop spreading BS.


There is at least a concern that Russia is cracking down on dissent in their own country. You don't seem biased, I encourage you to read this article by Al Jazeera, it provides information directly from Russian journalists as to what has happened in Russia in the past few years. I doubt that they can quash all dissent, but it is a worrying picture. I would not be surprised to see most Russians becoming increasingly brainwashed as time passes.

Russia's independent media face crackdown.

I hope you survive through all of this!


funny thing is that those of them who this brainwashing machine is working for they don't watch/read media anyways. For those who needs to find the truth (and that;s a minority) - they find it.
So we (this minority) is fully aware of this propaganda and there are people who take actions against it (before they shut down internet, which we are getting really close).
Drone is a way of living
Hazzyboy
Profile Joined January 2012
Estonia555 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-08 20:55:25
May 08 2014 20:51 GMT
#10256
Russian media is no different from US or EU - they filter and I myself living in UK never saw the full picture from brainwashing BBC and tried to figure why Russians wanted to make a referendum to leave Ukraine.
Below is a video with translation and I point out that it's not filtered so enjoy it as documentary.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=632548940164966

P.S. I'm half Ukranian because my dad is a Ukranian but he has a different passport so I am afraid for him trying to go to Ukraine anytime soon because as you see in that documentary - tourist bus gets stopped and people with not Ukranian passports thrown on the ground.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
May 08 2014 21:02 GMT
#10257
On May 09 2014 05:51 Hazzyboy wrote:
Russian media is no different from US or EU - they filter and I myself living in UK never saw the full picture from brainwashing BBC and tried to figure why Russians wanted to make a referendum to leave Ukraine.
Below is a video with translation and I point out that it's not filtered so enjoy it as documentary.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=632548940164966

P.S. I'm half Ukranian because my dad is a Ukranian but he has a different passport so I am afraid for him trying to go to Ukraine anytime soon because as you see in that documentary - tourist bus gets stopped and people with not Ukranian passports thrown on the ground.

They are distinctly different. Russian media is mostly stateowned, if not stateowned if they gather any significant attention they become semi-state controlled. State media doesn't always equate to more restricted media but in this case it very much does.
http://en.rsf.org/press-freedom-index-2013,1054.html
Hazzyboy
Profile Joined January 2012
Estonia555 Posts
May 08 2014 21:23 GMT
#10258

They are distinctly different. Russian media is mostly stateowned, if not stateowned if they gather any significant attention they become semi-state controlled. State media doesn't always equate to more restricted media but in this case it very much does.
http://en.rsf.org/press-freedom-index-2013,1054.html

Is privately owned media any different? They show what makes them more profit and whoever pays more. Good example is CNN and how they put a SAD music background, while showing scenes after natural disaster with people who lost everything to make higher ratings from scenes that require silence instead of cheesy music.
Finland is an exception from rules and if you lose your wallet with good sum of money in Finland or Norway there's a much higher chance to get it returned than in any other EU country and I know it from experience.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-08 21:40:59
May 08 2014 21:35 GMT
#10259
On May 09 2014 06:23 Hazzyboy wrote:
Show nested quote +

They are distinctly different. Russian media is mostly stateowned, if not stateowned if they gather any significant attention they become semi-state controlled. State media doesn't always equate to more restricted media but in this case it very much does.
http://en.rsf.org/press-freedom-index-2013,1054.html

Is privately owned media any different? They show what makes them more profit and whoever pays more. Good example is CNN and how they put a SAD music background, while showing scenes after natural disaster with people who lost everything to make higher ratings from scenes that require silence instead of cheesy music.
Finland is an exception from rules and if you lose your wallet with good sum of money in Finland or Norway there's a much higher chance to get it returned than in any other EU country and I know it from experience.


It's not that that statecontrolled media is bad inherently.

It's that russian medias chose to forfeit their duties, and instead became a "voice of the state" instead of being critical. Or journalistic, for that matter.

It's not the stateownership that makes russian medias bad, it's their blatant manipulation of facts. Knowingly. As was pointed out over and over again. And we're not talking about "word something in favor of something", we're talking blatant lying, "forgetting" important parts of the picture, etc etc.

The russian-language-law and their coverage was a brilliant example. Hint: they never reported that the law didn't make it through.

Russian media is no different from US or EU - they filter and I myself living in UK never saw the full picture from brainwashing BBC and tried to figure why Russians wanted to make a referendum to leave Ukraine.


I live in wales at the moment, and no, you're wrong. If you rely on daily mail and crap like that, then maybe, but to be honest, in that case there would be nobody but yourself to blame.

And further, german medias for the most part report unbiased.
On track to MA1950A.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-08 21:54:37
May 08 2014 21:52 GMT
#10260
I think there is a strong tendency in these discourses today that you need to be balanced on every topic or else you're just biased. "Russian and Western media are totally the same, because if I'd say something else I'd be biased and have such a undifferentiated opinion!"

The Russian and Western media landscape are nothing alike. Try to find Russian dissent blogs online, whoops won't work, they're most likely banned again. Turn on the Russian state television, oh Kiselyov is threatening to turn the US into a pile of nuclear waste (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkMT_oLempE)

Not every coin has two sides, I think this "yeah but we need to be balanced" just for the sake of it is a little ridiculous.
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