EPTP.S. The Guardian is shockingly poor at covering the Ukraine crisis.
The article paints a picture of the region which Picasso would describe as too unrecognizable.
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P.S. The Guardian is shockingly poor at covering the Ukraine crisis. The article paints a picture of the region which Picasso would describe as too unrecognizable. | ||
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Sub40APM
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http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2014/mar/07/crimea-putin-vs-reality/?insrc=hpss More good news. The prime minister is a liberal conservative, one of the two deputy prime ministers is Jewish, and the governor of the important eastern province of Dnipropetrovsk is the president of the Congress of Ukrainian Jewish Organizations. Although one can certainly debate the constitutional nuances, this process was not a coup. And it certainly was not fascist. Reducing the powers of the president, calling presidential elections, and restoring the principles of democracy are the opposite of what fascism would demand. Leaders of the Jewish community have declared their unambiguous support for the new government and their total opposition to the Russian invasion. Of the eighteen cabinet posts that have been filled in the new government, three are held by members of the far right party, Svoboda. Its leader had less than 2 percent support in a recent opinion poll—one that was taken after the Russian invasion of Crimea, an event that presumably would help the nationalists. In any event, this is the grain of truth from which, according to the traditional rules of propaganda, Putin’s “fascist coup” has been concocted. Propaganda is thus not a flawed description, but a script for action. If we consider Putin’s propaganda in these Soviet terms, we see that the invasion of Crimea was not a reaction to an actual threat, but rather an attempt to activate a threat so that violence would erupt that would change the world. Propaganda is part of the action it is meant to justify. From this standpoint, an invasion from Russia would lead to a Ukrainian nationalist backlash that would make the Russian story about fascists, so to speak, retrospectively true. If Ukraine is unable to hold elections, it looks less like a democracy. Elections are scheduled, but cannot be held in regions occupied by a foreign power. In this way, military action can make propaganda seem true. Even the Organization of Security and Cooperation in Europe is unable to fulfill an observation mission. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
China finally said stuff. | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
Russia is pretty out of line for flexing some muscle here, but I hardly see why the US and the rest of the world should care as long as its done peacefully and what the majority of the people actually want. I guess when you're the policemen of the world you have to care about everything. I'm seeing so many articles about WW3, pretty comical lol | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On March 09 2014 04:37 LuckyFool wrote: If the majority of Crimea wants to break off of Ukraine why is that really so bad? Crimea is mainly Russian, over 60% of the population are ethnic Russians I heard. Russia is pretty out of line for flexing some muscle here, but I hardly see why the US and the rest of the world should care as long as its done peacefully and what the majority of the people actually want. I guess when you're the policemen of the world you have to care about everything. I'm seeing so many articles about WW3, pretty comical lol I guess the US should just give up South Texas and South California to Mexico, since they're mostly Mexican populations anyways... | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21703 Posts
On March 09 2014 04:37 LuckyFool wrote: If the majority of Crimea wants to break off of Ukraine why is that really so bad? Crimea is mainly Russian, over 60% of the population are ethnic Russians I heard. Russia is pretty out of line for flexing some muscle here, but I hardly see why the US and the rest of the world should care as long as its done peacefully and what the majority of the people actually want. I guess when you're the policemen of the world you have to care about everything. I'm seeing so many articles about WW3, pretty comical lol If you don't see the difference between Crimea voting for independence and Crimea local government declaring themselves a part of Russia while the Russian army is on there soil and blockading roads/ports/military bases, I don't think there is much point in arguing it. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21703 Posts
On March 09 2014 04:37 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/indepth/2014-03/07/c_133168143.htm China finally said stuff. Unless that is an official statement from the Chinese government, which it isn't, China still has not said anything. | ||
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Ramong
Denmark1706 Posts
On March 09 2014 04:37 LuckyFool wrote: If the majority of Crimea wants to break off of Ukraine why is that really so bad? Crimea is mainly Russian, over 60% of the population are ethnic Russians I heard. Russia is pretty out of line for flexing some muscle here, but I hardly see why the US and the rest of the world should care as long as its done peacefully and what the majority of the people actually want. I guess when you're the policemen of the world you have to care about everything. I'm seeing so many articles about WW3, pretty comical lol If 60% or more of the population in Crimea really wants to join Russia as the news in Denmark have said they are likely to want and given the history of Crimea, then I personally don't see why not. The big problem is the way it is done. Instead of asking in a referendum and then buying it from Ukraine or something along those lines, Putin decided to invade. | ||
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On March 09 2014 04:37 LuckyFool wrote: If the majority of Crimea wants to break off of Ukraine why is that really so bad? Crimea is mainly Russian, over 60% of the population are ethnic Russians I heard. Russia is pretty out of line for flexing some muscle here, but I hardly see why the US and the rest of the world should care as long as its done peacefully and what the majority of the people actually want. I guess when you're the policemen of the world you have to care about everything. I'm seeing so many articles about WW3, pretty comical lol Yes because blocking news and putting up barricades essentially taking over the peninsula is very peaceful[scarcasm]. Anyways this is like US military bases around the world; there are so many russians there because ukraine allowed russia to operate a major base out of there. It also open up a case for countries like china to just send a bunch of people into a country and claim part of that country is now part of china because they are ethnic chinese. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On March 09 2014 04:47 Gorsameth wrote: Unless that is an official statement from the Chinese government, which it isn't, China still has not said anything. It's official news-agency of Chinese government btw. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21703 Posts
On March 09 2014 04:57 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: It's official news-agency of Chinese government btw. not the same thing. Yes yes there controlled by the government but unless it is a statement by the government itself it holds 0 weight. | ||
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radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
On March 09 2014 04:57 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: It's official news-agency of Chinese government btw. Maybe, but it is written "by Xinhua writer Ming Jinwei". I would be careful concluding much from a commentary by a journalist. | ||
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Sub40APM
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On March 09 2014 04:57 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: It's official news-agency of Chinese government btw. It also doesnt really say much. "Haha US is wrong!" but then "Ukrainians should stop squabbling and restore law and order" so...that means they should invade Crimea to restore it since its the only part where there appears to be a lack of law and order. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5281 Posts
they know something other people don't. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On March 09 2014 05:00 Gorsameth wrote: not the same thing. Yes yes there controlled by the government but unless it is a statement by the government itself it holds 0 weight. It holds some weight, but mainly into China's political position on the matter. Not an official statement, but a state sanctioned one. | ||
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Saryph
United States1955 Posts
On March 09 2014 05:53 Ghanburighan wrote: Russian media reports a shooting in Kharkiv. Good thing that column of Russian vehicles was already driving up there. They'll be there to protect the people really soon! /sarcasm. | ||
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