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Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
March 08 2014 16:35 GMT
#4961
How would EU/US react if Russia moves its army to the north ? Declare war ? Bigger embargo ?
Dogfoodboy16
Profile Joined October 2013
364 Posts
March 08 2014 16:38 GMT
#4962
Palin was talking about Russia's involvement with Ukraine 6 years ago...maybe she wasn't so dumb after all
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 08 2014 16:39 GMT
#4963


Moving the army north would have the interesting consequence of triggering step 3 of the EU sanctions package. Something that Germany and France in particular would be very unhappy about. What's actually planned by the US and NATO remains a well kept secret as far as I know. But I doubt they will contend for territory, they will gain nothing from that.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-08 16:46:26
March 08 2014 16:46 GMT
#4964
Pictures related to the news on the last page:


Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
March 08 2014 16:51 GMT
#4965
I'd hope that someone was bold enough to declare their support to the Ukraine in case they want to fight unidentifyable troops in their country, since it is against international right.

Germany keeps on talking about taking greater responsibilities. Here is their chance.
blomsterjohn
Profile Joined June 2008
Norway477 Posts
March 08 2014 16:53 GMT
#4966
On March 09 2014 01:38 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
Palin was talking about Russia's involvement with Ukraine 6 years ago...maybe she wasn't so dumb after all


Even a broken clock is correct twice a day
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 08 2014 17:17 GMT
#4967
On March 09 2014 01:38 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
Palin was talking about Russia's involvement with Ukraine 6 years ago...maybe she wasn't so dumb after all

everybody knew about this though.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-08 17:35:51
March 08 2014 17:29 GMT
#4968



Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
March 08 2014 17:49 GMT
#4969
It seems kind of ironic that when Russias "peace-keepers" take over Crimea, violent mobs attacking journalists and heavy weaponry gets deployed. I think we are far past pretending that Russia is there only to protect and serve. It looks most of all like he is preparing Crimea for a potential future military assualt.
Repeat before me
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
March 08 2014 17:56 GMT
#4970
On a slightly off topic note, while browsing news for Ukraine, I saw this.
It actually made me laugh out loud quite hard.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/03/07/british-beauticians-twitter-musings-on-our-president-barraco-barner-gain-her-global-notoreity/
靈魂交響曲
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 08 2014 17:59 GMT
#4971


Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Saumure
Profile Joined February 2012
France404 Posts
March 08 2014 18:09 GMT
#4972
On March 09 2014 02:49 radiatoren wrote:
It seems kind of ironic that when Russias "peace-keepers" take over Crimea, violent mobs attacking journalists and heavy weaponry gets deployed. I think we are far past pretending that Russia is there only to protect and serve. It looks most of all like he is preparing Crimea for a potential future military assualt.

Well ofc they throw out journalists. They don't want any propaganda made against them...
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10167 Posts
March 08 2014 18:15 GMT
#4973
Didn't some military from Ukraine already called that Russia will continue to move troops on the weekend ? Seems like he was spot on.
Powerpill
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States1693 Posts
March 08 2014 18:33 GMT
#4974
The minefield is pretty disturbing if true =\
The pretty things are going to hell, they wore it out but they wore it well
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-08 19:01:39
March 08 2014 18:34 GMT
#4975
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/09/world/europe/tensions-remain-high-in-crimea-amid-renewed-effort-to-mediate.html?hpw&rref=world
“We are ready to continue a dialogue on the understanding that a dialogue should be honest and partner-like, without attempts to portray us as one of the parties in the conflict,” Russia’s foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, said during an appearance with his counterpart from Tajikistan.

Hours after he spoke, however, an unidentified military official told Russian news agencies that Russia was considering suspending inspections of its nuclear arsenal required by the strategic arms reduction treaties, as well as other military cooperation agreements meant to build confidence and avoid international confrontations.


The official said the move was justified by “baseless threats” against Russia by the United States and NATO. A suspension of the inspections would undermine a pillar of international security and expand the confrontation beyond Ukraine itself.


Nice to see Russia isnt without allies though: https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/442289779401433088/photo/1

And of course the great humanitarian:
http://www.timesofisrael.com/assad-hails-russias-takeover-of-crimea/

Syrian President Bashar Assad says Russia’s military takeover of Crimea reflects President Vladimir Putin’s “wise policy” and his efforts to restore “security and stability” in Ukraine after an “attempted coup.

In a letter addressed to the Russian president, Assad claims Putin’s move in eastern Ukraine prevented “terrorist extremists” from taking power in Kiev



US were aware of Russian troop movements
Michael Flynn, the head of the US Defence Intelligence Agency, said the US was aware of the Russian troop movements which preceded the take-over in Crimea. He told National Public Radio.

“I think for easily seven to 10 days leading up to the Russian troops as we see them now in the Crimea, we were providing very solid reporting ... where we move from one level of a condition of warning, which I would just describe ... as sort of moderate to one where we believe things are imminent,”

So Americans knew this was happening and were just waiting for someone else to take the lead?

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/who-does-putin-want-as-ukrainian-president/495810.html

Petro Poroshenko currently leads the presidential race with 21 percent of voters supporting him, according to a poll completed on Tuesday by Ukrainian pollster Sotsis.
Ranking second in the Sotsis poll is former boxing champion Vitaly Klitschko, another hero of the massive anti-government protests, who leads the Ukrainian Democratic Alliance for Reform party and is a member of the parliament. He could muster 15 percent of the vote, Sotsis found.
Next in the poll, with 10 percent of the vote, was Yulia Tymoshenko, the chairwoman of the Fatherland Party, who was released from jail by parliament following Yanukovych's flight to Russia
No. 4 in the poll was Serhiy Tihipko, member of parliament representing runaway President Viktor Yanukovych's Party of Regions. Tihipko, who is also a businessman worth $1 billion, could garner 7 percent of the vote, the poll found.

Top 4 candidates in the poll for the President, no Nazi Svoboda or Right Sector scum in sight. Considering the rhetoric and increasing aggression by Putin doesnt seem to have led to an increase in anti-Russians feeling. Which is good news, lets hope the Ukrainians continue to differentiate between Putin and the common Russian people.

Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
March 08 2014 18:38 GMT
#4976
On March 09 2014 03:34 Sub40APM wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/09/world/europe/tensions-remain-high-in-crimea-amid-renewed-effort-to-mediate.html?hpw&rref=world
Show nested quote +
“We are ready to continue a dialogue on the understanding that a dialogue should be honest and partner-like, without attempts to portray us as one of the parties in the conflict,” Russia’s foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, said during an appearance with his counterpart from Tajikistan.

Hours after he spoke, however, an unidentified military official told Russian news agencies that Russia was considering suspending inspections of its nuclear arsenal required by the strategic arms reduction treaties, as well as other military cooperation agreements meant to build confidence and avoid international confrontations.


The official said the move was justified by “baseless threats” against Russia by the United States and NATO. A suspension of the inspections would undermine a pillar of international security and expand the confrontation beyond Ukraine itself.



It's really worrying...
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-08 18:51:04
March 08 2014 18:49 GMT
#4977
On March 09 2014 03:34 Sub40APM wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/09/world/europe/tensions-remain-high-in-crimea-amid-renewed-effort-to-mediate.html?hpw&rref=world
Show nested quote +
“We are ready to continue a dialogue on the understanding that a dialogue should be honest and partner-like, without attempts to portray us as one of the parties in the conflict,” Russia’s foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, said during an appearance with his counterpart from Tajikistan.

Hours after he spoke, however, an unidentified military official told Russian news agencies that Russia was considering suspending inspections of its nuclear arsenal required by the strategic arms reduction treaties, as well as other military cooperation agreements meant to build confidence and avoid international confrontations.


The official said the move was justified by “baseless threats” against Russia by the United States and NATO. A suspension of the inspections would undermine a pillar of international security and expand the confrontation beyond Ukraine itself.


Nice to see Russia isnt without allies though: https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/442289779401433088/photo/1


zeo? Is that you?

I hope we don't see generations of Ukrainians losing limbs to these Russian minefields.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 08 2014 18:55 GMT
#4978
no intl treaties against minefield laying? that is pretty bad.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
March 08 2014 19:03 GMT
#4979
On March 09 2014 03:55 oneofthem wrote:
no intl treaties against minefield laying? that is pretty bad.


Ukraine signed the treaty banning the use of anti-personnel mines, but Russia did not. There is a good chance they are mostly anti-vehicle mines too, and I do not know if there is a treaty covering those.
radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
March 08 2014 19:16 GMT
#4980
On March 09 2014 04:03 Saryph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2014 03:55 oneofthem wrote:
no intl treaties against minefield laying? that is pretty bad.


Ukraine signed the treaty banning the use of anti-personnel mines, but Russia did not. There is a good chance they are mostly anti-vehicle mines too, and I do not know if there is a treaty covering those.

USA, Russia and China didn't sign the Ottawa treaty. Ukraine did. anti-vehicle mines and claymores are legal if their positions are appropriately documented and marked (which is impossible to judge from that picture!).
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