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On March 07 2014 05:27 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 05:21 corumjhaelen wrote:On March 07 2014 05:18 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 07 2014 05:14 likeasu wrote:How do you know that you -- an ordinary person -- arent just a toy and instrument for 'they' ? que inception music. We all are, my friend, we all are. It's the nature of people's society, it's politics =) Or you could come to live in tiny Estonia where you know all 20 politicians personally, and pretty much every other influential person, such as to banish any thought of grey cardinals calling the shots behind the scenes. P.S. Fixed your previous message as my browser recommended. I don't think everyone is supposed to know perfect english (god knows many of the most powerful men in the world don't) but a spell checker on your browser/word/etc will quickly improve the quality of your writing, which is only good for you. Just go for direct democracy guys  We're too shy. On other news, I've been received these weird 'boycott Russian firms which support Putin' leaflets. But I don't recognize almost any companies here: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/oolcRgz.jpg) Anyone know where these leaflets are originating from?
fascists? Just to be clear, the leaflets are -- obviously probably to most -- in Ukrainian.
the only businesses I recognize are the Russian state and oligarch banks, yandex and kaspersky labs. and lada. but i am pretty sure everyone has been boycotting lada on their own forever.
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On March 07 2014 05:14 likeasu wrote:Show nested quote +How do you know that you -- an ordinary person -- arent just a toy and instrument for 'they' ? que inception music. We all are, my frind, we all are. Its nature of people society, its politic =) But there are a different games with the same "toys"
For some reason I found this very fitting:
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Guardian Moscow correspondent Shaun Walker (@shaunwalker7), currently in Ukraine, has spoken with a source with the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe who told him that troops in official Russian uniforms prevented OSCE observers from entering Crimea:
A source inside the OSCE mission said that the delegation, invited by the Ukrainian authorities, had attempted to cross into Crimea at two different entrance points, and were stopped and turned back at checkpoints both times.
“At the first one there was a mixture of armed irregulars and militia, and at the second one there were Cossacks and troops wearing official Russian military uniforms,” said the source. Eventually, the delegation turned back, and is now in the city of Kherson. The observers plan to make another attempt to enter the territory tomorrow.
Nomincal Crimean prime minister Sergey Aksenov has shut down a Ukrainian TV channel and allowed the frequency to be taken by a Russian TV channel, Rossiya, Roy Greenslade (@GreensladeR) reports for the Guardian:
According to a press release emailed to me by the [Ukrainian] broadcaster 1+1, the channel’s chief engineer was officially told that the broadcasting of 1+1 within the territory of Crimea has been terminated. [...]
The press release also refers to several attacks on reporting staff working for 1+1’s programme, Television Service of news (TSN), in recent days.
But 1+1 is still available in Crimea through satellite, cable and online.
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On March 07 2014 03:47 likeasu wrote:
I know that Yanukovich and his others were rotten. But Ukrainians should just vote for new government and new president BY LOWS and Constitution. Next votes will be already next year!!! And will not these 100+ killed casual people... RIP =(
But what did maidanian ukrainians??? They offend against the low! It was their decisions... and only their.
So.. the law as a new Kiev government cost less a boiled egg...
Maidan won.. Ukraine lost...
So what exactly do you propose? Ukraine reinstalls Yanukovich as President? Or Russia punishes Ukraine by annexing Crimea?
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On March 07 2014 05:30 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 05:27 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 07 2014 05:21 corumjhaelen wrote:On March 07 2014 05:18 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 07 2014 05:14 likeasu wrote:How do you know that you -- an ordinary person -- arent just a toy and instrument for 'they' ? que inception music. We all are, my friend, we all are. It's the nature of people's society, it's politics =) Or you could come to live in tiny Estonia where you know all 20 politicians personally, and pretty much every other influential person, such as to banish any thought of grey cardinals calling the shots behind the scenes. P.S. Fixed your previous message as my browser recommended. I don't think everyone is supposed to know perfect english (god knows many of the most powerful men in the world don't) but a spell checker on your browser/word/etc will quickly improve the quality of your writing, which is only good for you. Just go for direct democracy guys We're too shy. On other news, I've been received these weird 'boycott Russian firms which support Putin' leaflets. But I don't recognize almost any companies here: Anyone know where these leaflets are originating from? fascists? the only businesses I recognize are the Russian state and oligarch banks, yandex and kaspersky labs. and lada. but i am pretty sure everyone has been boycotting lada on their own forever.
Hell no, that car brand is a legend of workshops here!
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EUROPEAN COUNCIL Brussels, 6 March 2014 Statement of the Heads of State or Government on Ukraine Brussels, 6 March 2014 1. We met today with the Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatseniuk who informed us about the situation in his country. We applaud the courage and resilience shown by the Ukrainian people these last months and weeks. 2. We endorse the conclusions adopted by the Council on 3 March. We strongly condemn the unprovoked violation of Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity by the Russian Federation and call on the Russian Federation to immediately withdraw its armed forces to the areas of their permanent stationing, in accordance with the relevant agreements. We call on the Russian Federation to enable immediate access for international monitors. The solution to the crisis in Ukraine must be based on the territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence of Ukraine, as well as the strict adherence to international standards. We consider that the decision by the Supreme Council of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea to hold a referendum on the future status of the territory is contrary to the Ukrainian Constitution and therefore illegal. Read the rest here.
P.S. likeasu, I sent you a PM.
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Russian Federation88 Posts
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lol.
To the non-Russian speakers. "Yanukovich is in a Russian hospital" and then its a cut of Russian psychiatrists listening to Yanukovich who keeps repeating " I am the president"
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On March 07 2014 05:41 Sub40APM wrote:lol.
Hehehehe, that is a funny interlude in this discussion.
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On March 07 2014 05:39 Cheerio wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 03:47 likeasu wrote:
I know that Yanukovich and his others were rotten. But Ukrainians should just vote for new government and new president BY LOWS and Constitution. Next votes will be already next year!!! And will not these 100+ killed casual people... RIP =(
But what did maidanian ukrainians??? They offend against the low! It was their decisions... and only their.
So.. the law as a new Kiev government cost less a boiled egg...
Maidan won.. Ukraine lost... So what exactly do you propose? Ukraine reinstalls Yanukovich as President? Or Russia punishes Ukraine by annexing Crimea?
Lavrov has said that it has to go back to 21st Feb agreement as 'starting point' in talks...but Putin and the Russian Ambassador to UN during their speeches said 'its obvious Yanukovich is finished' so...seems a little uncertainty in Russian circles what to do -- except of course Annex Crimea as soon as possible.
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On March 07 2014 05:43 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 05:39 Cheerio wrote:On March 07 2014 03:47 likeasu wrote:
I know that Yanukovich and his others were rotten. But Ukrainians should just vote for new government and new president BY LOWS and Constitution. Next votes will be already next year!!! And will not these 100+ killed casual people... RIP =(
But what did maidanian ukrainians??? They offend against the low! It was their decisions... and only their.
So.. the law as a new Kiev government cost less a boiled egg...
Maidan won.. Ukraine lost... So what exactly do you propose? Ukraine reinstalls Yanukovich as President? Or Russia punishes Ukraine by annexing Crimea? Lavrov has said that it has to go back to 21st Feb agreement as 'starting point' in talks...but Putin and the Russian Ambassador to UN during their speeches said 'its obvious Yanukovich is finished' so...seems a little uncertainty in Russian circles what to do -- except of course Annex Crimea as soon as possible.
And even the annexing thing has been refused several times by russian officials, including Putin.
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On March 07 2014 05:27 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 05:21 corumjhaelen wrote:On March 07 2014 05:18 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 07 2014 05:14 likeasu wrote:How do you know that you -- an ordinary person -- arent just a toy and instrument for 'they' ? que inception music. We all are, my friend, we all are. It's the nature of people's society, it's politics =) Or you could come to live in tiny Estonia where you know all 20 politicians personally, and pretty much every other influential person, such as to banish any thought of grey cardinals calling the shots behind the scenes. P.S. Fixed your previous message as my browser recommended. I don't think everyone is supposed to know perfect english (god knows many of the most powerful men in the world don't) but a spell checker on your browser/word/etc will quickly improve the quality of your writing, which is only good for you. Just go for direct democracy guys We're too shy. On other news, I've been received these weird 'boycott Russian firms which support Putin' leaflets. But I don't recognize almost any companies here: + Show Spoiler +Anyone know where these leaflets are originating from?
Checked the code 4606453849072 and got the Russian product "Jane's Krazy Mixed-Up Original Salt Blend", this DVD and a postcard. So random.
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On March 07 2014 05:51 radiatoren wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 05:43 Sub40APM wrote:On March 07 2014 05:39 Cheerio wrote:On March 07 2014 03:47 likeasu wrote:
I know that Yanukovich and his others were rotten. But Ukrainians should just vote for new government and new president BY LOWS and Constitution. Next votes will be already next year!!! And will not these 100+ killed casual people... RIP =(
But what did maidanian ukrainians??? They offend against the low! It was their decisions... and only their.
So.. the law as a new Kiev government cost less a boiled egg...
Maidan won.. Ukraine lost... So what exactly do you propose? Ukraine reinstalls Yanukovich as President? Or Russia punishes Ukraine by annexing Crimea? Lavrov has said that it has to go back to 21st Feb agreement as 'starting point' in talks...but Putin and the Russian Ambassador to UN during their speeches said 'its obvious Yanukovich is finished' so...seems a little uncertainty in Russian circles what to do -- except of course Annex Crimea as soon as possible. And even the annexing thing has been refused several times by russian officials, including Putin.
But its Russian tradition to be polite, when people offer you food you have to turn it down several times before taking it.
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Russian Federation88 Posts
ok, guys. Thanks all for interesting discussion of this sad events. First of all it was very interesting to hear point of view teamlequid crew from Poland, Finland, Croatia, France, UK, USA, Germany and a lot of others. Hope peace to the whole world and double toilets in every house like in Sochi =)
Hope all be fine...
I have to go to sleep. Tomorrow we fly.
Granburigan, tnx for invite.
Кузы привет!!!!!!!!
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On March 07 2014 05:55 likeasu wrote:
ok, guys. Thanks all for interesting discussion of this sad events. First of all it was very interesting to hear point of view teamlequid crew from Poland, Finland, Croatia, France, UK, USA, Germany and a lot of others. Hope peace to the whole world and double toilets in every house =)
Hope all be fine...
I have to go to sleep. Tomorrow we fly.
Granburigan, tnx for invite.
Кузы привет!!!!!!!!
Have a nice trip. Hope you dont get caught in the Egyptian version of this + Show Spoiler +
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On March 07 2014 05:40 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +EUROPEAN COUNCIL Brussels, 6 March 2014 Statement of the Heads of State or Government on Ukraine Brussels, 6 March 2014 1. We met today with the Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatseniuk who informed us about the situation in his country. We applaud the courage and resilience shown by the Ukrainian people these last months and weeks. 2. We endorse the conclusions adopted by the Council on 3 March. We strongly condemn the unprovoked violation of Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity by the Russian Federation and call on the Russian Federation to immediately withdraw its armed forces to the areas of their permanent stationing, in accordance with the relevant agreements. We call on the Russian Federation to enable immediate access for international monitors. The solution to the crisis in Ukraine must be based on the territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence of Ukraine, as well as the strict adherence to international standards. We consider that the decision by the Supreme Council of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea to hold a referendum on the future status of the territory is contrary to the Ukrainian Constitution and therefore illegal. Read the rest here. P.S. likeasu, I sent you a PM.
So they didn't decide on anything =/
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Russian Federation88 Posts
Tnx
Saing true.. I`m very tired of all this world politician shit stuff. It was It is It will be always so dirty.
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On March 07 2014 06:00 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 05:40 Ghanburighan wrote:EUROPEAN COUNCIL Brussels, 6 March 2014 Statement of the Heads of State or Government on Ukraine Brussels, 6 March 2014 1. We met today with the Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatseniuk who informed us about the situation in his country. We applaud the courage and resilience shown by the Ukrainian people these last months and weeks. 2. We endorse the conclusions adopted by the Council on 3 March. We strongly condemn the unprovoked violation of Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity by the Russian Federation and call on the Russian Federation to immediately withdraw its armed forces to the areas of their permanent stationing, in accordance with the relevant agreements. We call on the Russian Federation to enable immediate access for international monitors. The solution to the crisis in Ukraine must be based on the territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence of Ukraine, as well as the strict adherence to international standards. We consider that the decision by the Supreme Council of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea to hold a referendum on the future status of the territory is contrary to the Ukrainian Constitution and therefore illegal. Read the rest here.P.S. likeasu, I sent you a PM. So they didn't decide on anything =/
This is the important bit:
We consider that the decision by the Supreme Council of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea to hold a referendum on the future status of the territory is contrary to the Ukrainian Constitution and therefore illegal.
The summit decision now commits them to sanctions.
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On March 07 2014 05:08 likeasu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 04:13 Gorsameth wrote:On March 07 2014 04:04 likeasu wrote:On March 07 2014 03:51 Gorsameth wrote:
They protested because Yanokovich didnt want an EU treaty. noo... you kidding me. ARE YOU REALLY BELIEVE IN IT??!?!?!?! ahhahaahahah LOL So why for present time new ukrainian government didnt this stap???? If EU treaty is a real maidan MAIN reason... Why it isnt made immediately??!?! It was only stupid mative for getting power in the country. If Maiden main goal was to overthrow Yanokovich why did it do nothing until Yanokovich turned to violence? I Yanokovich didnt use violence nothing would have come off these protests. It makes 0 sense for them to be a mains to overthrow the government when the you realize that. Yanokovich overthrew himself. It is normal for protestors to be beaten and arrested in Russia. Its not normal in most of the remaining world. ps. To other people. Dont flame him for his typing. Not everyone knows how flawless english. He is making the effort to type. Make the effort to read it. If I understood you right, I wanna to say "big thanks to you" =) sorry for lexicon and grammatic mistakes. But I should say one thing about text you wrote: Why do you think so? From what facts? Stupid Pussy Riot or other shit stuff like this? Is this the only what you see from tv-reports from Russia? Pfff In March 2012 about 100.000 people were on strike "for clear votes" on Maneg square in the center of Moscow. 100 thousands of people and a lot of military people were standing "face to face" during all protest event. And what? No one seriously hit and sure no one killed. Of course police cached drunked or crazy provocateurs (idiots can be everywhere). Because the main target of oppositions and people was idea "government dont forget about us.. we are here". The maidan main target was "getting top power". When peaceful methods didnt work, they have to spill some blood. Who is "they"? I dont know exact peoples names. To find their names you should understand who paid money for Maidan. 40.000 people were standing 3!!! months there. It was a little town with hot meal, bio-tuallets (not so comfortable like a double tuallets in Sochi of course^_^), energy, transport, flags, tribune, clothes, doctors, translation and so on... DO YOU THINK THAT ordinary people paid for it? People who believe in bright ideas were just toys and instrument.
The west had the Occupy movement a while back. They protested in our streets for a long time aswell without being payed to do so. When people feel strongly about something they are willing to do that. Also don't forget while people are protesting there is a lot of people who agree with them. While they are not in the street themselves for a lot of reasons, mostly not wanting to give up work i guess, they do bring food/supplies to protestors out of compassion.
Make people mad enough and they will protests for months to get there point across.
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