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KaiserJohan
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1808 Posts
March 03 2014 16:46 GMT
#3081
I doubt anything is going to happen. They'll just pull a Kim-Jong Un and pull out last minute. Flexing muscles
England will fight to the last American
Liman
Profile Joined July 2012
Serbia681 Posts
March 03 2014 16:50 GMT
#3082
On March 04 2014 01:20 TheFish7 wrote:
So what is Putin hoping to get out of this, annex Crimea, then everyone goes home, and we all have a good chuckle about it at the G8 in Sochi?


I think this is Putin saying : This is still Russia's backyard and you are not allowed to take over power in ex soviet republics and put NATO bases there.Im still in charge here and you can go fuck yourselves.
Risking sanctions,economic hardship and even war just tells how serious he is.
Changing Crimea status is just a bonus,and it helps proving his point.

This is something every great power would do.Just imagine what would happen if US enemy tried to take over a nearby country....oh wait Cuban missile crisis,there was almost ww3.
Freelancer veteran
MyrMindservant
Profile Joined October 2013
695 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-03 17:02:05
March 03 2014 16:56 GMT
#3083
This is mind-blowing.
Америка готова действовать вместе с Россией "против любых хулиганов и бандитских выходок", заверил госсекретарь

source: http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1016059
(via http://osvita.mediasapiens.ua/material/28257
screenshot is also there)

Translation:
USA is ready to act together with Russia "against any hooligans and criminal acts", assured the Secretary of State


This is either a (hilarious) mistake or a propaganda trick.
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Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
March 03 2014 16:57 GMT
#3084
On March 04 2014 01:46 KaiserJohan wrote:
I doubt anything is going to happen. They'll just pull a Kim-Jong Un and pull out last minute. Flexing muscles


i call a bluff !
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
March 03 2014 16:57 GMT
#3085
On March 04 2014 01:50 Liman wrote:
This is something every great power would do.Just imagine what would happen if US enemy tried to take over a nearby country....oh wait Cuban missile crisis,there was almost ww3.


Yeah problem is Russia isn't a great power any more. The stock market is already crashing. Gazprom alone lost 45 billion in market capitalisation. This is going to cost Russia far far more than what they will gain , even if they keep Crimea.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5080 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-03 16:59:32
March 03 2014 16:57 GMT
#3086
On March 04 2014 01:23 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 01:18 Pandemona wrote:
On March 04 2014 01:13 r.Evo wrote:
On March 04 2014 01:08 Pandemona wrote:
On March 04 2014 01:06 r.Evo wrote:
15:58:

The press office for the Ukraine defence ministry in Crimea confirms to the BBC that an ultimatum from Russia's Black Sea Fleet has been delivered. The Russian naval forces are said to have given Ukraine's forces in the region until 05:00 local time (03:00 GMT) to surrender or else face an all-out assault.

BBC


Yeah Sky News never reports unreliable shit, not to what i know of. They are normally REALLY late on breaking news because of it lol. I remember hearing about an Earthquake in Japan like 4hours before it came on Sky News thanks to TL lol.

I'm confused because spiegel.de is still being reaaaally careful about this citing the missing confirmation from Russia.

On March 04 2014 01:10 Gorsameth wrote:
On March 04 2014 01:06 r.Evo wrote:
Fuck.

I just want to ask as you have been advocating any means needed to avoid escalation.


Now what?

gl Ukraine. Hence the "Fuck".

I still stand behind the belief that EU/NATO/western action to defend Crimea from Russia would be beyond insane.


No military intervention will even happen, even if Russia takeover the whole of Ukraine lol. China will start supporting Russia and the world is powerless to stop them. 2014 has gotten REALLY interesting though. Started off late in 2013 with North Korea being silly, now we have Russia trying to go crazy with Ukraine due to an agreement that was stopped. Crazy times, but be interesting to see how much America will try and cripple Russia's economy. I guess they will be ok for so long due to their oil supplies but you can't grow much in Russia due to its huge uninhabitable areas.

I certainly hope so, I'm just a bit scared that someone will start doing something stupid. :3


Putin invading Ukraine stupid thing already done. Putin wants to make us poop our pants and be paralyzed and go as far as he can without getting a Western military response then we'll do the same to the Russian economy although unless the West puts real economic sanctions on Russia the hiccup today in their stock exchange and the weakness of the ruble will just be passing moments.

On March 04 2014 01:50 Liman wrote:
This is something every great power would do.Just imagine what would happen if US enemy tried to take over a nearby country....oh wait Cuban missile crisis,there was almost ww3.


The US didn't invade Cuba in 1963 Mr. "History professor." LeMay and some of the others on the Joint Chiefs wanted to nuke Russian flotillas and send the Marines into Havana but Kennedy went for a "quarantine" and real, actual diplomacy instead.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
plgElwood
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany518 Posts
March 03 2014 17:00 GMT
#3087
I hope the ukraine soldiers forfeit and leave crimea. Not that i like Putin/Russias actions, but I don´t think they should take a fight they can not win.
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
March 03 2014 17:00 GMT
#3088
The russian MoD has denied that there is a deadline.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-03 17:04:30
March 03 2014 17:02 GMT
#3089
http://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/news/23525211/minoborony-ukrainy#ixzz2uv3QkjwV
For a source.
What is going on?

There has been multiple confirmations and denials now. Perhaps the ultimation was not official or a bluff and was never intended to be revealed?
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
March 03 2014 17:04 GMT
#3090
On March 04 2014 02:00 plgElwood wrote:
I hope the ukraine soldiers forfeit and leave crimea. Not that i like Putin/Russias actions, but I don´t think they should take a fight they can not win.

I am certain people said that about Vietnam when US invaded in full force...
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
March 03 2014 17:05 GMT
#3091
Everyone playing the game of ' hopefully they shoot first'...
But while the Ukraine leadership may not be the smartest in their decisions, they surely learned from Georgia... Rushing in, guns blazing, won't help their cause... And as long as they do nothing, the Russians have to act first... Which they have a hard time to justify without any reason from the Ukrainian side... And Russia can't do this standoff forever...
SilentchiLL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany1405 Posts
March 03 2014 17:06 GMT
#3092
On March 04 2014 02:00 plgElwood wrote:
I hope the ukraine soldiers forfeit and leave crimea. Not that i like Putin/Russias actions, but I don´t think they should take a fight they can not win.


Historically there have been quite a lot of battles in which a smaller force won against a bigger one, especially in defensive scenarios.
Then again there were also a lot more in which the smaller force lost...
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Liman
Profile Joined July 2012
Serbia681 Posts
March 03 2014 17:07 GMT
#3093
On March 04 2014 01:57 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 01:23 r.Evo wrote:
On March 04 2014 01:18 Pandemona wrote:
On March 04 2014 01:13 r.Evo wrote:
On March 04 2014 01:08 Pandemona wrote:
On March 04 2014 01:06 r.Evo wrote:
15:58:

The press office for the Ukraine defence ministry in Crimea confirms to the BBC that an ultimatum from Russia's Black Sea Fleet has been delivered. The Russian naval forces are said to have given Ukraine's forces in the region until 05:00 local time (03:00 GMT) to surrender or else face an all-out assault.

BBC


Yeah Sky News never reports unreliable shit, not to what i know of. They are normally REALLY late on breaking news because of it lol. I remember hearing about an Earthquake in Japan like 4hours before it came on Sky News thanks to TL lol.

I'm confused because spiegel.de is still being reaaaally careful about this citing the missing confirmation from Russia.

On March 04 2014 01:10 Gorsameth wrote:
On March 04 2014 01:06 r.Evo wrote:
Fuck.

I just want to ask as you have been advocating any means needed to avoid escalation.


Now what?

gl Ukraine. Hence the "Fuck".

I still stand behind the belief that EU/NATO/western action to defend Crimea from Russia would be beyond insane.


No military intervention will even happen, even if Russia takeover the whole of Ukraine lol. China will start supporting Russia and the world is powerless to stop them. 2014 has gotten REALLY interesting though. Started off late in 2013 with North Korea being silly, now we have Russia trying to go crazy with Ukraine due to an agreement that was stopped. Crazy times, but be interesting to see how much America will try and cripple Russia's economy. I guess they will be ok for so long due to their oil supplies but you can't grow much in Russia due to its huge uninhabitable areas.

I certainly hope so, I'm just a bit scared that someone will start doing something stupid. :3


Putin invading Ukraine stupid thing already done. Putin wants to make us poop our pants and be paralyzed and go as far as he can without getting a Western military response then we'll do the same to the Russian economy although unless the West puts real economic sanctions on Russia the hiccup today in their stock exchange and the weakness of the ruble will just be passing moments.

Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 01:50 Liman wrote:
This is something every great power would do.Just imagine what would happen if US enemy tried to take over a nearby country....oh wait Cuban missile crisis,there was almost ww3.


The US didn't invade Cuba in 1963 Mr. "History professor." LeMay and some of the others on the Joint Chiefs wanted to nuke Russian flotillas and send the Marines into Havana but Kennedy went for a "quarantine" and real, actual diplomacy instead.

Bay of pigs.Not actually US troops but still.
Freelancer veteran
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-03 17:11:06
March 03 2014 17:07 GMT
#3094
On March 04 2014 02:04 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 02:00 plgElwood wrote:
I hope the ukraine soldiers forfeit and leave crimea. Not that i like Putin/Russias actions, but I don´t think they should take a fight they can not win.

I am certain people said that about Vietnam when US invaded in full force...


Difference is that Russia is literally next to Ukraine. With ground, air and naval bases already established. Both bordering Ukraine and inside Ukraine. Ukraine is also noted for flat rolling plains, as opposed to dense tropical forests, and an environment that most Russians are naturalised in.

There is not a hope in the world for Ukraine alone if Russia decides to destroy Ukrainian military forces.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
March 03 2014 17:08 GMT
#3095
Meanwhile@Russian media: footage of meeting with people shouting "Russia" in background.... hey, this is funny.
@This ultimatum mess: WHAT THE ACTUAL HECK (do note, Russian media never ever said about this).
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
plgElwood
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany518 Posts
March 03 2014 17:09 GMT
#3096
I guess if unkraine´s soldiers are told:

"Leave in 10 hours, or russians storm your bases"

They will leave. If the ultimatum wasnt official or revoked.
Russia will claim : see they left, our action was right + the take crimea without bloodshed.
Actually one can say putin is a fucking genius, while western politicians are stupid blokes who can not do anything facing a real problem.

Obama/Kerry because they only could answer with military forces,
Merkel/Steinmeier because 37% of gas used in germany comes from Russia......
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
March 03 2014 17:11 GMT
#3097
On March 04 2014 02:09 plgElwood wrote:
I guess if unkraine´s soldiers are told:

"Leave in 10 hours, or russians storm your bases"

They will leave. If the ultimatum wasnt official or revoked.
Russia will claim : see they left, our action was right + the take crimea without bloodshed.
Actually one can say putin is a fucking genius, while western politicians are stupid blokes who can not do anything facing a real problem.

Obama/Kerry because they only could answer with military forces,
Merkel/Steinmeier because 37% of gas used in germany comes from Russia......

Putin IS a fucking genius, even someone like me (who does not actually like him) can't deny this.
Either way: this ultimatum came from Black Sea Fleet, right, not from any official (you know what i do mean) source?
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
March 03 2014 17:12 GMT
#3098
On March 04 2014 02:09 plgElwood wrote:
I guess if unkraine´s soldiers are told:

"Leave in 10 hours, or russians storm your bases"

They will leave. If the ultimatum wasnt official or revoked.
Russia will claim : see they left, our action was right + the take crimea without bloodshed.
Actually one can say putin is a fucking genius, while western politicians are stupid blokes who can not do anything facing a real problem.

Obama/Kerry because they only could answer with military forces,
Merkel/Steinmeier because 37% of gas used in germany comes from Russia......

It's either that or it was an actual fake started by an Ukrainian news agency for whatever reason. Our best bet is to assume nothing is true until the UNSC meeting later.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
March 03 2014 17:13 GMT
#3099
On March 04 2014 02:12 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 02:09 plgElwood wrote:
I guess if unkraine´s soldiers are told:

"Leave in 10 hours, or russians storm your bases"

They will leave. If the ultimatum wasnt official or revoked.
Russia will claim : see they left, our action was right + the take crimea without bloodshed.
Actually one can say putin is a fucking genius, while western politicians are stupid blokes who can not do anything facing a real problem.

Obama/Kerry because they only could answer with military forces,
Merkel/Steinmeier because 37% of gas used in germany comes from Russia......

It's either that or it was an actual fake started by an Ukrainian news agency for whatever reason. Our best bet is to assume nothing is true until the UNSC meeting later.

This is likely scenario too, especially considering that Interfax reported this BEFORE MoD heard about this.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1841 Posts
March 03 2014 17:13 GMT
#3100
On March 04 2014 01:57 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 01:50 Liman wrote:
This is something every great power would do.Just imagine what would happen if US enemy tried to take over a nearby country....oh wait Cuban missile crisis,there was almost ww3.


Yeah problem is Russia isn't a great power any more. The stock market is already crashing. Gazprom alone lost 45 billion in market capitalisation. This is going to cost Russia far far more than what they will gain , even if they keep Crimea.


Agreed, but they are still a super-power in terms of army and nuclear capability.
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