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KaiserJohan
Sweden1808 Posts
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Liman
Serbia681 Posts
On March 04 2014 01:20 TheFish7 wrote: So what is Putin hoping to get out of this, annex Crimea, then everyone goes home, and we all have a good chuckle about it at the G8 in Sochi? I think this is Putin saying : This is still Russia's backyard and you are not allowed to take over power in ex soviet republics and put NATO bases there.Im still in charge here and you can go fuck yourselves. Risking sanctions,economic hardship and even war just tells how serious he is. Changing Crimea status is just a bonus,and it helps proving his point. This is something every great power would do.Just imagine what would happen if US enemy tried to take over a nearby country....oh wait Cuban missile crisis,there was almost ww3. | ||
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MyrMindservant
695 Posts
Америка готова действовать вместе с Россией "против любых хулиганов и бандитских выходок", заверил госсекретарь source: http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1016059 (via http://osvita.mediasapiens.ua/material/28257 screenshot is also there) Translation: USA is ready to act together with Russia "against any hooligans and criminal acts", assured the Secretary of State This is either a (hilarious) mistake or a propaganda trick. | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On March 04 2014 01:46 KaiserJohan wrote: I doubt anything is going to happen. They'll just pull a Kim-Jong Un and pull out last minute. Flexing muscles i call a bluff ! | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On March 04 2014 01:50 Liman wrote: This is something every great power would do.Just imagine what would happen if US enemy tried to take over a nearby country....oh wait Cuban missile crisis,there was almost ww3. Yeah problem is Russia isn't a great power any more. The stock market is already crashing. Gazprom alone lost 45 billion in market capitalisation. This is going to cost Russia far far more than what they will gain , even if they keep Crimea. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5080 Posts
On March 04 2014 01:23 r.Evo wrote: I certainly hope so, I'm just a bit scared that someone will start doing something stupid. :3 Putin invading Ukraine stupid thing already done. Putin wants to make us poop our pants and be paralyzed and go as far as he can without getting a Western military response then we'll do the same to the Russian economy although unless the West puts real economic sanctions on Russia the hiccup today in their stock exchange and the weakness of the ruble will just be passing moments. On March 04 2014 01:50 Liman wrote: This is something every great power would do.Just imagine what would happen if US enemy tried to take over a nearby country....oh wait Cuban missile crisis,there was almost ww3. The US didn't invade Cuba in 1963 Mr. "History professor." LeMay and some of the others on the Joint Chiefs wanted to nuke Russian flotillas and send the Marines into Havana but Kennedy went for a "quarantine" and real, actual diplomacy instead. | ||
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plgElwood
Germany518 Posts
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
For a source. What is going on? There has been multiple confirmations and denials now. Perhaps the ultimation was not official or a bluff and was never intended to be revealed? | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On March 04 2014 02:00 plgElwood wrote: I hope the ukraine soldiers forfeit and leave crimea. Not that i like Putin/Russias actions, but I don´t think they should take a fight they can not win. I am certain people said that about Vietnam when US invaded in full force... | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
But while the Ukraine leadership may not be the smartest in their decisions, they surely learned from Georgia... Rushing in, guns blazing, won't help their cause... And as long as they do nothing, the Russians have to act first... Which they have a hard time to justify without any reason from the Ukrainian side... And Russia can't do this standoff forever... | ||
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SilentchiLL
Germany1405 Posts
On March 04 2014 02:00 plgElwood wrote: I hope the ukraine soldiers forfeit and leave crimea. Not that i like Putin/Russias actions, but I don´t think they should take a fight they can not win. Historically there have been quite a lot of battles in which a smaller force won against a bigger one, especially in defensive scenarios. Then again there were also a lot more in which the smaller force lost... | ||
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Liman
Serbia681 Posts
On March 04 2014 01:57 DeepElemBlues wrote: Putin invading Ukraine stupid thing already done. Putin wants to make us poop our pants and be paralyzed and go as far as he can without getting a Western military response then we'll do the same to the Russian economy although unless the West puts real economic sanctions on Russia the hiccup today in their stock exchange and the weakness of the ruble will just be passing moments. The US didn't invade Cuba in 1963 Mr. "History professor." LeMay and some of the others on the Joint Chiefs wanted to nuke Russian flotillas and send the Marines into Havana but Kennedy went for a "quarantine" and real, actual diplomacy instead. Bay of pigs.Not actually US troops but still. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On March 04 2014 02:04 -Archangel- wrote: I am certain people said that about Vietnam when US invaded in full force... Difference is that Russia is literally next to Ukraine. With ground, air and naval bases already established. Both bordering Ukraine and inside Ukraine. Ukraine is also noted for flat rolling plains, as opposed to dense tropical forests, and an environment that most Russians are naturalised in. There is not a hope in the world for Ukraine alone if Russia decides to destroy Ukrainian military forces. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
@This ultimatum mess: WHAT THE ACTUAL HECK (do note, Russian media never ever said about this). | ||
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plgElwood
Germany518 Posts
"Leave in 10 hours, or russians storm your bases" They will leave. If the ultimatum wasnt official or revoked. Russia will claim : see they left, our action was right + the take crimea without bloodshed. Actually one can say putin is a fucking genius, while western politicians are stupid blokes who can not do anything facing a real problem. Obama/Kerry because they only could answer with military forces, Merkel/Steinmeier because 37% of gas used in germany comes from Russia...... | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On March 04 2014 02:09 plgElwood wrote: I guess if unkraine´s soldiers are told: "Leave in 10 hours, or russians storm your bases" They will leave. If the ultimatum wasnt official or revoked. Russia will claim : see they left, our action was right + the take crimea without bloodshed. Actually one can say putin is a fucking genius, while western politicians are stupid blokes who can not do anything facing a real problem. Obama/Kerry because they only could answer with military forces, Merkel/Steinmeier because 37% of gas used in germany comes from Russia...... Putin IS a fucking genius, even someone like me (who does not actually like him) can't deny this. Either way: this ultimatum came from Black Sea Fleet, right, not from any official (you know what i do mean) source? | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On March 04 2014 02:09 plgElwood wrote: I guess if unkraine´s soldiers are told: "Leave in 10 hours, or russians storm your bases" They will leave. If the ultimatum wasnt official or revoked. Russia will claim : see they left, our action was right + the take crimea without bloodshed. Actually one can say putin is a fucking genius, while western politicians are stupid blokes who can not do anything facing a real problem. Obama/Kerry because they only could answer with military forces, Merkel/Steinmeier because 37% of gas used in germany comes from Russia...... It's either that or it was an actual fake started by an Ukrainian news agency for whatever reason. Our best bet is to assume nothing is true until the UNSC meeting later. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On March 04 2014 02:12 r.Evo wrote: It's either that or it was an actual fake started by an Ukrainian news agency for whatever reason. Our best bet is to assume nothing is true until the UNSC meeting later. This is likely scenario too, especially considering that Interfax reported this BEFORE MoD heard about this. | ||
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Ctone23
United States1841 Posts
On March 04 2014 01:57 Nyxisto wrote: Yeah problem is Russia isn't a great power any more. The stock market is already crashing. Gazprom alone lost 45 billion in market capitalisation. This is going to cost Russia far far more than what they will gain , even if they keep Crimea. Agreed, but they are still a super-power in terms of army and nuclear capability. | ||
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