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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
March 03 2014 16:02 GMT
#3041
On March 04 2014 01:00 Ghanburighan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 00:56 r.Evo wrote:
@Ghanburighan: It would be awesome if you'd quote twitter posts you're linking, otherwise no one can see them and it's a pain to check what they're actually saying.


Did you manage to fix the issue? I remember reading about it R1CH's thread.

It works fine when I use Opera, all good.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 03 2014 16:04 GMT
#3042
Too close for comfort:



And some humour:

Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
March 03 2014 16:06 GMT
#3043
15:58:

The press office for the Ukraine defence ministry in Crimea confirms to the BBC that an ultimatum from Russia's Black Sea Fleet has been delivered. The Russian naval forces are said to have given Ukraine's forces in the region until 05:00 local time (03:00 GMT) to surrender or else face an all-out assault.

BBC
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
March 03 2014 16:06 GMT
#3044
If shit really does hit the fan and war or attacks do happen. The only way EU and America can battle with the Russian's is economically imo. There is no way American can afford a large scale war now and no one in Europe is even remotely equipped with the right numbers of military personal or funds to even help out.
Putin is one crazy bastard and has got his own way again by the looks of it.

Just to put it in terms of army sizes as well;
[image loading]

My brother who has recently left the army said they aren't even classified as an "army" anymore as they do not have the numbers to call themselves one. The UK army Is classified as a "defense force" as it has less than 100,000 people in it. Also no reserves as UK again doesn't do military training etcetc. Also we don't have a working Air craft carrier so we are pretty much fucked and no use to anyone, unless you want to stop off and re fuel at extraordinary prices or have a cup of tea?
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
March 03 2014 16:06 GMT
#3045
Fuck.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
March 03 2014 16:08 GMT
#3046
On March 04 2014 01:06 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
15:58:

The press office for the Ukraine defence ministry in Crimea confirms to the BBC that an ultimatum from Russia's Black Sea Fleet has been delivered. The Russian naval forces are said to have given Ukraine's forces in the region until 05:00 local time (03:00 GMT) to surrender or else face an all-out assault.

BBC


Yeah Sky News never reports unreliable shit, not to what i know of. They are normally REALLY late on breaking news because of it lol. I remember hearing about an Earthquake in Japan like 4hours before it came on Sky News thanks to TL lol.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22291 Posts
March 03 2014 16:10 GMT
#3047
On March 04 2014 01:06 r.Evo wrote:
Fuck.

I just want to ask as you have been advocating any means needed to avoid escalation.


Now what?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 03 2014 16:12 GMT
#3048
I'm bad with times, if there's a UNSC meeting at 3.30pm in Geneva, and an ultimatum in Crimea at 5.00pm, that actually means that the ultimatum's deadline is 30 minutes after the beginning of the meeting, right?
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 03 2014 16:13 GMT
#3049
On March 04 2014 01:10 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 01:06 r.Evo wrote:
Fuck.

I just want to ask as you have been advocating any means needed to avoid escalation.


Now what?


Don't be spiteful.

Btw, Estonian media reports that 10,000 Russian troops were flown close to our border. No reliable source yet.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
March 03 2014 16:13 GMT
#3050
On March 04 2014 01:08 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 01:06 r.Evo wrote:
15:58:

The press office for the Ukraine defence ministry in Crimea confirms to the BBC that an ultimatum from Russia's Black Sea Fleet has been delivered. The Russian naval forces are said to have given Ukraine's forces in the region until 05:00 local time (03:00 GMT) to surrender or else face an all-out assault.

BBC


Yeah Sky News never reports unreliable shit, not to what i know of. They are normally REALLY late on breaking news because of it lol. I remember hearing about an Earthquake in Japan like 4hours before it came on Sky News thanks to TL lol.

I'm confused because spiegel.de is still being reaaaally careful about this citing the missing confirmation from Russia.

On March 04 2014 01:10 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 01:06 r.Evo wrote:
Fuck.

I just want to ask as you have been advocating any means needed to avoid escalation.


Now what?

gl Ukraine. Hence the "Fuck".

I still stand behind the belief that EU/NATO/western action to defend Crimea from Russia would be beyond insane.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
March 03 2014 16:13 GMT
#3051
On March 04 2014 01:12 Ghanburighan wrote:
I'm bad with times, if there's a UNSC meeting at 3.30pm in Geneva, and an ultimatum in Crimea at 5.00pm, that actually means that the ultimatum's deadline is 30 minutes after the beginning of the meeting, right?

It is 5 AM Local time. 05:00, actually it is your timezone too.
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-03 16:14:40
March 03 2014 16:13 GMT
#3052
5am I believe, not pm. I believe the first post said it was 10pm EST here in the US.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
March 03 2014 16:14 GMT
#3053
Richard Galpin, russia-expert of the bbc said: "if there really is an ultimatum, sources in the russian ministry of defense would confirm that".

On track to MA1950A.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-03 16:15:09
March 03 2014 16:14 GMT
#3054
On March 04 2014 01:12 Ghanburighan wrote:
I'm bad with times, if there's a UNSC meeting at 3.30pm in Geneva, and an ultimatum in Crimea at 5.00pm, that actually means that the ultimatum's deadline is 30 minutes after the beginning of the meeting, right?


My post with the accurate date your confusing am with pm too;

Ultimatum Date & Time
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Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-03 16:17:02
March 03 2014 16:15 GMT
#3055
On March 03 2014 22:52 SF-Fork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2014 22:32 Godwrath wrote:
On March 03 2014 22:19 Undead1993 wrote:
On March 03 2014 22:01 aksfjh wrote:
If you don't get the reference, Russia is bullying Ukraine. They are attempting to extort land and/or resources under the auspices of protecting their property and "their" people living in Ukraine. When Germany was split after WW1, many German people were scattered in various surrounding countries and the first steps of WW2 included "reunification." This is where history teaches us a lesson. You don't let this shit happen.

if the history teaches you a lesson then nato and other organisations should also start fighting against this:
+ Show Spoiler +

otherwise they are just pretenders

Oh look, is that video with a kid speaking accentless russian.


actually its a quite clear kievan russian accent. He is local, he speaks russian.

there is no such thing as kievan russian accent.

There are more Russians that don't speak ukrainian in Ukraine than otherwise.

that's not true
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-03 16:17:30
March 03 2014 16:15 GMT
#3056
On March 04 2014 01:14 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 01:12 Ghanburighan wrote:
I'm bad with times, if there's a UNSC meeting at 3.30pm in Geneva, and an ultimatum in Crimea at 5.00pm, that actually means that the ultimatum's deadline is 30 minutes after the beginning of the meeting, right?


My post with the accurate date your confusing am with pm too;

Ultimatum Date & Time


Thanks guys!

P.S. Der Spiegel is a terrible source for foreign affairs. I met the editor in chief of foreign affairs, in 2007 he didn't even know that Estonia had joined the EU... This isn't to say that Der Spiegel is universally sub-par, but this is exactly the type of content that they're terrible with. Try FAZ.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-03 16:18:32
March 03 2014 16:17 GMT
#3057
After following the german liveticker for a while now, any suggestions for the most accurate/up to date/active liveticker in english?

Edit: spiegel is redirecting news from other agencies in this case
On track to MA1950A.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
March 03 2014 16:17 GMT
#3058
On March 04 2014 01:06 Pandemona wrote:
If shit really does hit the fan and war or attacks do happen. The only way EU and America can battle with the Russian's is economically imo. There is no way American can afford a large scale war now and no one in Europe is even remotely equipped with the right numbers of military personal or funds to even help out.
Putin is one crazy bastard and has got his own way again by the looks of it.

Just to put it in terms of army sizes as well;
[image loading]

My brother who has recently left the army said they aren't even classified as an "army" anymore as they do not have the numbers to call themselves one. The UK army Is classified as a "defense force" as it has less than 100,000 people in it. Also no reserves as UK again doesn't do military training etcetc. Also we don't have a working Air craft carrier so we are pretty much fucked and no use to anyone, unless you want to stop off and re fuel at extraordinary prices or have a cup of tea?

I have no idea why people perceive Russia's military to be that strong. They spend a fraction of what the west spends, conflicts they've been in have shown massive weaknesses and most of their equipment is rather outdated to the point where they have to import weapon systems.

The economy in the EU/US might not be great at the moment, but neither is Russia's. The russian central bank has already spent an estimated 10% of their foreign currency reserves on stabilizing the ruble, and the collapse of gas imports to Europe would completely cripple them. The Russian economy won't survive any type of real conflict.

It's just that Putin is a better bluffer at this point and that NATO consists of a set of leaders that are exceptionally weak.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
March 03 2014 16:18 GMT
#3059
On March 04 2014 01:13 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 01:08 Pandemona wrote:
On March 04 2014 01:06 r.Evo wrote:
15:58:

The press office for the Ukraine defence ministry in Crimea confirms to the BBC that an ultimatum from Russia's Black Sea Fleet has been delivered. The Russian naval forces are said to have given Ukraine's forces in the region until 05:00 local time (03:00 GMT) to surrender or else face an all-out assault.

BBC


Yeah Sky News never reports unreliable shit, not to what i know of. They are normally REALLY late on breaking news because of it lol. I remember hearing about an Earthquake in Japan like 4hours before it came on Sky News thanks to TL lol.

I'm confused because spiegel.de is still being reaaaally careful about this citing the missing confirmation from Russia.

Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 01:10 Gorsameth wrote:
On March 04 2014 01:06 r.Evo wrote:
Fuck.

I just want to ask as you have been advocating any means needed to avoid escalation.


Now what?

gl Ukraine. Hence the "Fuck".

I still stand behind the belief that EU/NATO/western action to defend Crimea from Russia would be beyond insane.


No military intervention will even happen, even if Russia takeover the whole of Ukraine lol. China will start supporting Russia and the world is powerless to stop them. 2014 has gotten REALLY interesting though. Started off late in 2013 with North Korea being silly, now we have Russia trying to go crazy with Ukraine due to an agreement that was stopped. Crazy times, but be interesting to see how much America will try and cripple Russia's economy. I guess they will be ok for so long due to their oil supplies but you can't grow much in Russia due to its huge uninhabitable areas.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
March 03 2014 16:18 GMT
#3060
On March 04 2014 01:12 Ghanburighan wrote:
I'm bad with times, if there's a UNSC meeting at 3.30pm in Geneva, and an ultimatum in Crimea at 5.00pm, that actually means that the ultimatum's deadline is 30 minutes after the beginning of the meeting, right?


A public meeting of the UN Security Council will be convened today at 3.30 pm #Ukraine #UNSC


The Russian naval forces are said to have given Ukraine's forces in the region until 05:00 local time (03:00 GMT) to surrender or else face an all-out assault.


I'm confused now, too. The tweet didn't mention a timezone and talks about today. I'm assuming the UN security council meeting was meant in an American timezone? The Russian ultimatum runs out tomorrow 0300 GMT morning aka 2100 EST today.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
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