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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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On March 04 2014 01:17 m4ini wrote:
After following the german liveticker for a while now, any suggestions for the most accurate/up to date/active liveticker in english?
Edit: spiegel is redirecting news from other agencies in this case
Which languages do you speak?
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On March 04 2014 01:17 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 01:06 Pandemona wrote:If shit really does hit the fan and war or attacks do happen. The only way EU and America can battle with the Russian's is economically imo. There is no way American can afford a large scale war now and no one in Europe is even remotely equipped with the right numbers of military personal or funds to even help out. Putin is one crazy bastard and has got his own way again by the looks of it. Just to put it in terms of army sizes as well; ![[image loading]](http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/3/3/293322/default/v1/online-military-strength-1-522x293.jpg) My brother who has recently left the army said they aren't even classified as an "army" anymore as they do not have the numbers to call themselves one. The UK army Is classified as a "defense force" as it has less than 100,000 people in it. Also no reserves as UK again doesn't do military training etcetc. Also we don't have a working Air craft carrier so we are pretty much fucked and no use to anyone, unless you want to stop off and re fuel at extraordinary prices or have a cup of tea? I have no idea why people perceive Russia's military to be that strong. They spend a fraction of what the west spends, conflicts they've been in have shown massive weaknesses and most of their equipment is rather outdated to the point where they have to import weapon systems. The economy in the EU/US might not be great at the moment, but neither is Russia's. The russian central bank has already spent an estimated 10% of their foreign currency reserves on stabilizing the ruble, and the collapse of gas imports to Europe would completely cripple them. The Russian economy won't survive any type of real conflict. It's just that Putin is a better bluffer at this point and that NATO consists of a set of leaders that are exceptionally weak.
Completely agree, but they still have the numbers, even if outdated and old they can still do crazy damage with what they have.
I think the best way like you mentioned is to just cripple their economy. They have dropped 10% this morning already?
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So what is Putin hoping to get out of this, annex Crimea, then everyone goes home, and we all have a good chuckle about it at the G8 in Sochi?
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On March 04 2014 01:19 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 01:17 m4ini wrote:
After following the german liveticker for a while now, any suggestions for the most accurate/up to date/active liveticker in english?
Edit: spiegel is redirecting news from other agencies in this case Which languages do you speak?
Just german and engrish 
Thanks for the sky-link @above 
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Danish media in Ukraine reports that the Ukrainian military ain't really getting ready for war.
Reporters have been interviewing soldiers in Kiev who have yet to receive orders to mobilize and the even solders who physically went and tried to get an answer was told to go home and relax.
The consensus in the danish news is that Ukraine getting ready for war is more talk than reality
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On March 04 2014 01:20 TheFish7 wrote:
So what is Putin hoping to get out of this, annex Crimea, then everyone goes home, and we all have a good chuckle about it at the G8 in Sochi?
mostly yes. And ofc the knowledge that the west will not interfere. Giving him the ability to repeat the process where he may like when the opportunity presents itself.
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On March 04 2014 01:18 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 01:13 r.Evo wrote:On March 04 2014 01:08 Pandemona wrote:On March 04 2014 01:06 r.Evo wrote: 15:58:
The press office for the Ukraine defence ministry in Crimea confirms to the BBC that an ultimatum from Russia's Black Sea Fleet has been delivered. The Russian naval forces are said to have given Ukraine's forces in the region until 05:00 local time (03:00 GMT) to surrender or else face an all-out assault. BBC Yeah Sky News never reports unreliable shit, not to what i know of. They are normally REALLY late on breaking news because of it lol. I remember hearing about an Earthquake in Japan like 4hours before it came on Sky News thanks to TL lol. I'm confused because spiegel.de is still being reaaaally careful about this citing the missing confirmation from Russia. On March 04 2014 01:10 Gorsameth wrote:On March 04 2014 01:06 r.Evo wrote:
Fuck. I just want to ask as you have been advocating any means needed to avoid escalation. Now what? gl Ukraine. Hence the "Fuck". I still stand behind the belief that EU/NATO/western action to defend Crimea from Russia would be beyond insane. No military intervention will even happen, even if Russia takeover the whole of Ukraine lol. China will start supporting Russia and the world is powerless to stop them. 2014 has gotten REALLY interesting though. Started off late in 2013 with North Korea being silly, now we have Russia trying to go crazy with Ukraine due to an agreement that was stopped. Crazy times, but be interesting to see how much America will try and cripple Russia's economy. I guess they will be ok for so long due to their oil supplies but you can't grow much in Russia due to its huge uninhabitable areas.
`Why would China even do anything over Ukraine they don't get any benefit out of it. If anything they'll talk supportive and don't do shit like they're doing now.
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On March 04 2014 01:18 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 01:13 r.Evo wrote:On March 04 2014 01:08 Pandemona wrote:On March 04 2014 01:06 r.Evo wrote: 15:58:
The press office for the Ukraine defence ministry in Crimea confirms to the BBC that an ultimatum from Russia's Black Sea Fleet has been delivered. The Russian naval forces are said to have given Ukraine's forces in the region until 05:00 local time (03:00 GMT) to surrender or else face an all-out assault. BBC Yeah Sky News never reports unreliable shit, not to what i know of. They are normally REALLY late on breaking news because of it lol. I remember hearing about an Earthquake in Japan like 4hours before it came on Sky News thanks to TL lol. I'm confused because spiegel.de is still being reaaaally careful about this citing the missing confirmation from Russia. On March 04 2014 01:10 Gorsameth wrote:On March 04 2014 01:06 r.Evo wrote:
Fuck. I just want to ask as you have been advocating any means needed to avoid escalation. Now what? gl Ukraine. Hence the "Fuck". I still stand behind the belief that EU/NATO/western action to defend Crimea from Russia would be beyond insane. No military intervention will even happen, even if Russia takeover the whole of Ukraine lol. China will start supporting Russia and the world is powerless to stop them. 2014 has gotten REALLY interesting though. Started off late in 2013 with North Korea being silly, now we have Russia trying to go crazy with Ukraine due to an agreement that was stopped. Crazy times, but be interesting to see how much America will try and cripple Russia's economy. I guess they will be ok for so long due to their oil supplies but you can't grow much in Russia due to its huge uninhabitable areas.
I certainly hope so, I'm just a bit scared that someone will start doing something stupid. :3
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On March 04 2014 01:18 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 01:12 Ghanburighan wrote:
I'm bad with times, if there's a UNSC meeting at 3.30pm in Geneva, and an ultimatum in Crimea at 5.00pm, that actually means that the ultimatum's deadline is 30 minutes after the beginning of the meeting, right? Show nested quote +A public meeting of the UN Security Council will be convened today at 3.30 pm #Ukraine #UNSC Show nested quote +The Russian naval forces are said to have given Ukraine's forces in the region until 05:00 local time (03:00 GMT) to surrender or else face an all-out assault. I'm confused now, too. The tweet didn't mention a timezone and talks about today. I'm assuming the UN security council meeting was meant in an American timezone? The Russian ultimatum runs out tomorrow 0300 GMT morning aka 2100 EST today.
0300 GMT is 2200 EST, unless there's some DST funny business I'm forgetting.
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On March 04 2014 01:15 Cheerio wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2014 22:52 SF-Fork wrote:On March 03 2014 22:32 Godwrath wrote:On March 03 2014 22:19 Undead1993 wrote:On March 03 2014 22:01 aksfjh wrote:
If you don't get the reference, Russia is bullying Ukraine. They are attempting to extort land and/or resources under the auspices of protecting their property and "their" people living in Ukraine. When Germany was split after WW1, many German people were scattered in various surrounding countries and the first steps of WW2 included "reunification." This is where history teaches us a lesson. You don't let this shit happen. if the history teaches you a lesson then nato and other organisations should also start fighting against this: + Show Spoiler +otherwise they are just pretenders Oh look, is that video with a kid speaking accentless russian. actually its a quite clear kievan russian accent. He is local, he speaks russian. there is no such thing as kievan russian accent. Show nested quote +There are more Russians that don't speak ukrainian in Ukraine than otherwise. that's not true
I might not know the difference between kiev and kharkov russian, but I will certainly know it is a ukrainian russian if I hear it.
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On March 04 2014 01:20 TheFish7 wrote:
So what is Putin hoping to get out of this, annex Crimea, then everyone goes home, and we all have a good chuckle about it at the G8 in Sochi?
Putin thinks Crimea as strategic location is more important than whatever the West can throw at him, and he may be right.
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On March 04 2014 01:24 Alzadar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 01:18 r.Evo wrote:On March 04 2014 01:12 Ghanburighan wrote:
I'm bad with times, if there's a UNSC meeting at 3.30pm in Geneva, and an ultimatum in Crimea at 5.00pm, that actually means that the ultimatum's deadline is 30 minutes after the beginning of the meeting, right? A public meeting of the UN Security Council will be convened today at 3.30 pm #Ukraine #UNSC The Russian naval forces are said to have given Ukraine's forces in the region until 05:00 local time (03:00 GMT) to surrender or else face an all-out assault. I'm confused now, too. The tweet didn't mention a timezone and talks about today. I'm assuming the UN security council meeting was meant in an American timezone? The Russian ultimatum runs out tomorrow 0300 GMT morning aka 2100 EST today. 0300 GMT is 2200 EST, unless there's some DST funny business I'm forgetting.
You're correct, mixed GMT and CET.
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Aa China comes, if anything they will move their border with russia by few kilometeres. With Russia being solely focused on Ukraine there is nothing they will be able to do.
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Yeah the UN Security Council meeting is confirmed to be 4h from this post aka 2030 GMT / 1530 EST.
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On March 04 2014 01:27 Silvanel wrote:
Aa China comes, if anything they will move their border with russia by few kilometeres. With Russia being solely focused on Ukraine there is nothing they will be able to do.
The ironic part is that they can even claim the exact same reason.
Most of the siberian border is populated by chinese, so they can move in their tanks, ship in more Han chinese to wave flags along the road and then hold a bogus referendum where the regions choose to join China.
On March 04 2014 01:20 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 01:17 Derez wrote:On March 04 2014 01:06 Pandemona wrote:If shit really does hit the fan and war or attacks do happen. The only way EU and America can battle with the Russian's is economically imo. There is no way American can afford a large scale war now and no one in Europe is even remotely equipped with the right numbers of military personal or funds to even help out. Putin is one crazy bastard and has got his own way again by the looks of it. Just to put it in terms of army sizes as well; My brother who has recently left the army said they aren't even classified as an "army" anymore as they do not have the numbers to call themselves one. The UK army Is classified as a "defense force" as it has less than 100,000 people in it. Also no reserves as UK again doesn't do military training etcetc. Also we don't have a working Air craft carrier so we are pretty much fucked and no use to anyone, unless you want to stop off and re fuel at extraordinary prices or have a cup of tea? I have no idea why people perceive Russia's military to be that strong. They spend a fraction of what the west spends, conflicts they've been in have shown massive weaknesses and most of their equipment is rather outdated to the point where they have to import weapon systems. The economy in the EU/US might not be great at the moment, but neither is Russia's. The russian central bank has already spent an estimated 10% of their foreign currency reserves on stabilizing the ruble, and the collapse of gas imports to Europe would completely cripple them. The Russian economy won't survive any type of real conflict. It's just that Putin is a better bluffer at this point and that NATO consists of a set of leaders that are exceptionally weak. Completely agree, but they still have the numbers, even if outdated and old they can still do crazy damage with what they have. I think the best way like you mentioned is to just cripple their economy. They have dropped 10% this morning already?
Yesterday on Bloomberg if I recall correctly. Ruble and stocks have been sliding even more since so I imagine they're gonna have to buy more or soon the average Russian won't be able to afford bread anymore. Russia without foreign investment has no economy to speak of.
Oh, good liveblogs:
Guardian is probably the best western source:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/03/ukraine-crisis-russia-control-crimea-live
http://interpretermag.com/ has a good daily liveblog also, but has a lot more speculative posts.
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On March 04 2014 01:12 Ghanburighan wrote:
I'm bad with times, if there's a UNSC meeting at 3.30pm in Geneva, and an ultimatum in Crimea at 5.00pm, that actually means that the ultimatum's deadline is 30 minutes after the beginning of the meeting, right?
Pretty unrelated, but am I the only one who always translates thosee letters to "United Nations Space Command"?
On March 04 2014 01:20 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 01:19 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 04 2014 01:17 m4ini wrote:
After following the german liveticker for a while now, any suggestions for the most accurate/up to date/active liveticker in english?
Edit: spiegel is redirecting news from other agencies in this case Which languages do you speak? Just german and engrish Thanks for the sky-link @above
Since my post is pretty useless anyway already I might as well ask, why do you read Spiegel instead of Süddeutsche?
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On March 04 2014 01:31 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 01:27 Silvanel wrote:
Aa China comes, if anything they will move their border with russia by few kilometeres. With Russia being solely focused on Ukraine there is nothing they will be able to do. The ironic part is that they can even claim the exact same reason. Most of the siberian border is populated by chinese, so they can move in their tanks, ship in more Han chinese to wave flags along the road and then hold a bogus referendum where the regions choose to join China. Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 01:20 Pandemona wrote:On March 04 2014 01:17 Derez wrote:On March 04 2014 01:06 Pandemona wrote:If shit really does hit the fan and war or attacks do happen. The only way EU and America can battle with the Russian's is economically imo. There is no way American can afford a large scale war now and no one in Europe is even remotely equipped with the right numbers of military personal or funds to even help out. Putin is one crazy bastard and has got his own way again by the looks of it. Just to put it in terms of army sizes as well; My brother who has recently left the army said they aren't even classified as an "army" anymore as they do not have the numbers to call themselves one. The UK army Is classified as a "defense force" as it has less than 100,000 people in it. Also no reserves as UK again doesn't do military training etcetc. Also we don't have a working Air craft carrier so we are pretty much fucked and no use to anyone, unless you want to stop off and re fuel at extraordinary prices or have a cup of tea? I have no idea why people perceive Russia's military to be that strong. They spend a fraction of what the west spends, conflicts they've been in have shown massive weaknesses and most of their equipment is rather outdated to the point where they have to import weapon systems. The economy in the EU/US might not be great at the moment, but neither is Russia's. The russian central bank has already spent an estimated 10% of their foreign currency reserves on stabilizing the ruble, and the collapse of gas imports to Europe would completely cripple them. The Russian economy won't survive any type of real conflict. It's just that Putin is a better bluffer at this point and that NATO consists of a set of leaders that are exceptionally weak. Completely agree, but they still have the numbers, even if outdated and old they can still do crazy damage with what they have. I think the best way like you mentioned is to just cripple their economy. They have dropped 10% this morning already? Yesterday on Bloomberg if I recall correctly. Ruble and stocks have been sliding even more since so I imagine they're gonna have to buy more or soon the average Russian won't be able to afford bread anymore. Russia without foreign investment has no economy to speak of. Oh, good liveblogs: Guardian is probably the best western source: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/03/ukraine-crisis-russia-control-crimea-livehttp://interpretermag.com/ has a good daily liveblog also, but has a lot more speculative posts.
Yeah Sky made a post about it;
The crisis has had a huge knock-on effect on the markets, with Moscow's stock exchange plunging as much as 10%.
http://news.sky.com/story/1220031/markets-tumble-as-ukraine-tensions-escalate
The US threatened possible asset freezes and trade penalties as a response to Russia's military intervention.
The resulting flight from risk on the markets first saw stocks fall and gold rise in Asia, where the Nikkei in Japan lost 1.3%.
Russia's MICEX stock exchange later lost up to 10% of its value when it opened for business - later extending those losses to 12.5% by mid-afternoon - while Russia's central bank reacted to a plunge in the value of the ruble by raising its core interest rate to 7% from 5.5%.
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On March 04 2014 01:28 r.Evo wrote:
Yeah the UN Security Council meeting is confirmed to be 4h from this post aka 2030 GMT / 1530 EST.
Then,
UN Security Council meeting in
Ultimatum in
They have 6 and a half hours do discuss the issue.
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