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On March 04 2014 00:37 whiteLotus wrote:
"Russia deploys 3500 troops and heavy equipment on Batlic coast in Kaliningrad Oblat near Polish and Lithuanian borders"
lmao where u at NATO?
Should be noted that Kaliningrad is basically an Island surrounded by NATO states, not directly connected to Russia via land.
(So basically an easy prime target IF NATO states take action against Russia for any reason.)
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On March 04 2014 00:37 whiteLotus wrote:
"Russia deploys 3500 troops and heavy equipment on Batlic coast in Kaliningrad Oblat near Polish and Lithuanian borders"
lmao where u at NATO?
same place NATO has always been. In a cupboard hoping nothing big actually happens.
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On March 04 2014 00:37 whiteLotus wrote:
"Russia deploys 3500 troops and heavy equipment on Batlic coast in Kaliningrad Oblat near Polish and Lithuanian borders"
lmao where u at NATO?
Busy fighting ''terrorism''
For more info about this whole conflict you can follow https://twitter.com/euromaidanPR and https://twitter.com/EuroMaidanEN
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On March 04 2014 00:23 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 00:22 Silvanel wrote:On March 04 2014 00:18 Pandemona wrote:Russia's fleet has given Ukrainian forces in Crimea until 03:00 GMT (+00:00) to surrender or "face a storm", according to Interfax news agency. Today? If so that deadline has already passed. No 4th March Europe
A source in the Ukrainian defence ministry has told the Guardian’s, Shaun Walker, in Crimea, that he has heard nothing about an ultimatum that has reportedly been posed to Ukrainian forces in the region to surrender before 3am GMT or face an assault. Shaun writes:
He is not that senior but says he’s on a base right now and neither he nor the base commanders have heard anything of the sort. He said: “It’s probably another red herring to stir up trouble.”
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@The people hating NATO above: Article 4 was already invoked, that will (hopefully) be the extent of the action unless member states are being attacked.
e: Wait what. Can those people figure out wtf they want to do?
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On March 04 2014 00:44 r.Evo wrote:
@The people hating NATO above: Article 4 was already invoked, that will (hopefully) be the extent of the action unless member states are being attacked.
e: Wait what. Can those people figure out wtf they want to do?
article 4 is garbage turkey invoked article 4 when syria downed their plane, who cares.
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On March 04 2014 00:46 whiteLotus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 00:44 r.Evo wrote:
@The people hating NATO above: Article 4 was already invoked, that will (hopefully) be the extent of the action unless member states are being attacked.
e: Wait what. Can those people figure out wtf they want to do? article 4 is garbage turkey invoked article 4 when syria downed their plane, who cares.
...you do realize that the NATO is a military defense alliance with the goal of defending its members, right? Not more, not less.
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On March 04 2014 00:18 Pandemona wrote:Russia's fleet has given Ukrainian forces in Crimea until 03:00 GMT (+00:00) (4/3/14) to surrender or "face a storm", according to Interfax news agency. Show nested quote + The ultimatum, from the commander of Russia's Black Sea Fleet Alexander Vitko, has a base in Crimea where Russian forces are now in control.
According to the agency, it reads: "If they do not surrender before 5am (3am GMT) tomorrow, a real assault will be started against units and divisions of the armed forces across Crimea." Source
So finaly russia is saying that they are attackers. (If ukrainian solders doesnt surrender)
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On March 04 2014 00:47 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 00:18 Pandemona wrote:Russia's fleet has given Ukrainian forces in Crimea until 03:00 GMT (+00:00) (4/3/14) to surrender or "face a storm", according to Interfax news agency. The ultimatum, from the commander of Russia's Black Sea Fleet Alexander Vitko, has a base in Crimea where Russian forces are now in control.
According to the agency, it reads: "If they do not surrender before 5am (3am GMT) tomorrow, a real assault will be started against units and divisions of the armed forces across Crimea." Source So finaly russia is saying that they are attackers. (If ukrainian solders doesnt surrender)
Check above, the Guardian apparently says the Ukrainian government says no ultimatum exists. Slightly awkward.
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On March 04 2014 00:46 whiteLotus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 00:44 r.Evo wrote:
@The people hating NATO above: Article 4 was already invoked, that will (hopefully) be the extent of the action unless member states are being attacked.
e: Wait what. Can those people figure out wtf they want to do? article 4 is garbage turkey invoked article 4 when syria downed their plane, who cares.
You do realise that if a western power steps in the ensuing conflict is going to be terrible? This isn't call of duty you know, and nato is in any event a defensive pact... Ivenno idea why you seem to be goading on a confrontation.
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Actually, there are sightings of Polish armor being transferred from west to east. Military has denied any relation to the current crisis, but that should be understandable. On a road today, I saw a column of armored vehicles myself, so I think they are preparing for the worst possibility.
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On March 04 2014 00:18 Pandemona wrote:Russia's fleet has given Ukrainian forces in Crimea until 03:00 GMT (+00:00) (4/3/14) to surrender or "face a storm", according to Interfax news agency. Show nested quote + The ultimatum, from the commander of Russia's Black Sea Fleet Alexander Vitko, has a base in Crimea where Russian forces are now in control.
According to the agency, it reads: "If they do not surrender before 5am (3am GMT) tomorrow, a real assault will be started against units and divisions of the armed forces across Crimea." Source
It comes as Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev discussed the situation in Ukraine with US Vice President Joe Biden by telephone on Monday.
Mr Medvedev "declared that it is necessary to protect the interests of all Ukrainian citizens, including residents of Crimea, and citizens of Russia who are located in Ukraine," according to Interfax.
He added that Russia would press ahead with plans to build a bridge linking Russia directly with the Crimea region - providing a vital transport link to the Black Sea peninsula.
Mr Medvedev told deputies the two countries had signed "documents related to a project for construction of a transport corridor across the Kerch Strait" in December, when now-ousted Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych was still in power.
The Russian foreign ministry said Nato criticism of its actions in Crimea "will not help stabilise" the situation in Ukraine.
It said: "We believe that such a position will not help stabilise the situation in Ukraine and only encourages those forces that would like to use the current events to achieve their irresponsible political goals."
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On March 04 2014 00:50 Roman666 wrote:
Actually, there are sightings of Polish armor being transferred from west to east. Military has denied any relation to the current crisis, but that should be understandable. On a road today, I saw a column of armored vehicles myself, so I think they are preparing for the worst possibility.
Yeah, that's completely reasonable and expected.
spiegel.de reporting that it's an Ukrainian version of Interfax that was reporting the ultimatum with no confirmed source.
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On March 04 2014 00:47 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 00:46 whiteLotus wrote:On March 04 2014 00:44 r.Evo wrote:
@The people hating NATO above: Article 4 was already invoked, that will (hopefully) be the extent of the action unless member states are being attacked.
e: Wait what. Can those people figure out wtf they want to do? article 4 is garbage turkey invoked article 4 when syria downed their plane, who cares. ...you do realize that the NATO is a military defense alliance with the goal of defending its members, right? Not more, not less.
Yet NATO has grown way beyond its original charter, denying that is naive too. If any international organization were to act on any of this, it would be NATO.
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@Ghanburighan: It would be awesome if you'd quote twitter posts you're linking, otherwise no one can see them and it's a pain to check what they're actually saying.
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On March 04 2014 00:56 r.Evo wrote:
@Ghanburighan: It would be awesome if you'd quote twitter posts you're linking, otherwise no one can see them and it's a pain to check what they're actually saying.
I see text...
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On March 04 2014 00:58 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 00:56 r.Evo wrote:
@Ghanburighan: It would be awesome if you'd quote twitter posts you're linking, otherwise no one can see them and it's a pain to check what they're actually saying. I see text...
Oh WTF. Sorry, that must be an firefox issue.
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Leading a group of OSCE observers should come to Ukraine evening of March 3, reports Agence France-Presse , citing U.S. and European diplomats. It is expected that these organizations will give observers neutral information and honest assessment of what is happening in Ukraine. To start a full observation mission of the OSCE Russia must withdraw its remaining claims regarding their activities, agency sources said. The Russian ambassador to the OSCE Andrei Kelin said earlier that large observer mission in the area of conflict "is not always useful." According to him, Kosovo and South Ossetia, these missions have played a negative role. U.S. Assistant Secretary Victoria Nuland, in turn, pointed out that the first observers should go to the Crimea, to try to reduce the level of tension there. According to her, the Russian troops stationed at key points of the peninsula can be replaced by the UN or OSCE observers, and the soldiers themselves have to go back to the barracks. Source.
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On March 04 2014 00:56 r.Evo wrote:
@Ghanburighan: It would be awesome if you'd quote twitter posts you're linking, otherwise no one can see them and it's a pain to check what they're actually saying.
Did you manage to fix the issue? I remember reading about it R1CH's thread.
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