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zeonmx
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States111 Posts
March 01 2014 14:50 GMT
#2021
It's official, reports are saying Russian troops that were standing by near the border are now moving towards Ukraine territories.

This is a full blown invasion. Ukraine might have to declare war on Russia.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
March 01 2014 14:51 GMT
#2022
On March 01 2014 23:50 AleXoundOS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2014 23:43 zeonmx wrote:
Shocking News : Federation Council unanimously approves sending troops to Ukraine.

Sh*t is going on...
The decision was approved by 100% of members.


You seriously were surprised by that?
On track to MA1950A.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6334 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-01 14:51:51
March 01 2014 14:51 GMT
#2023
Local government buildings taken by anti-junta protesters

[image loading]
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
zeonmx
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States111 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-01 14:54:15
March 01 2014 14:53 GMT
#2024
Live update from Guardian:

Russian troops attempting take over Ukrainian military bases in Crimea
Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
March 01 2014 14:55 GMT
#2025
On March 01 2014 23:00 Saihv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2014 22:33 zeo wrote:
In Donetsk over 30k people have gathered in their central square:
[image loading]

Ukraine has obviously no intention of kneeling to the junta in Kiev

edit: Picture from Kharkiv:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

and a video:
+ Show Spoiler +



Not to mention they have driven in people from Russia, lol.
AleXoundOS
Profile Joined January 2011
Georgia458 Posts
March 01 2014 14:55 GMT
#2026
On March 01 2014 23:51 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2014 23:50 AleXoundOS wrote:
On March 01 2014 23:43 zeonmx wrote:
Shocking News : Federation Council unanimously approves sending troops to Ukraine.

Sh*t is going on...
The decision was approved by 100% of members.


You seriously were surprised by that?

Yes.
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9267 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-01 14:58:24
March 01 2014 14:57 GMT
#2027
On March 01 2014 23:51 zeo wrote:
Local government buildings taken by anti-junta protesters


I don't understand how can you post images with Russian flags on Ukrainian teritory and call all this crap anit-junta movement. Why don't you put some swastikas above Kiev to make it look even better?
You're now breathing manually
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
March 01 2014 14:58 GMT
#2028
On March 01 2014 23:55 AleXoundOS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2014 23:51 m4ini wrote:
On March 01 2014 23:50 AleXoundOS wrote:
On March 01 2014 23:43 zeonmx wrote:
Shocking News : Federation Council unanimously approves sending troops to Ukraine.

Sh*t is going on...
The decision was approved by 100% of members.


You seriously were surprised by that?

Yes.

Now i wonder too. Any russian sources on this Putin's suggestion being confirmed. And ofc, any russian source on these reports from foreign (relative to Russia) sources?
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
March 01 2014 14:58 GMT
#2029
On March 01 2014 23:55 AleXoundOS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2014 23:51 m4ini wrote:
On March 01 2014 23:50 AleXoundOS wrote:
On March 01 2014 23:43 zeonmx wrote:
Shocking News : Federation Council unanimously approves sending troops to Ukraine.

Sh*t is going on...
The decision was approved by 100% of members.


You seriously were surprised by that?

Yes.


After the duma already called for an "invasion" days ago?

Wow.
On track to MA1950A.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22048 Posts
March 01 2014 14:58 GMT
#2030
And so it is once again shown that EU protection is a fucking joke. We will happily promise our protection but as soon as something bigger then a fly shows up we tuck our tails between our legs and run away.

Sickening to see how spineless our leadership has become.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
March 01 2014 14:58 GMT
#2031
On March 01 2014 23:58 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2014 23:55 AleXoundOS wrote:
On March 01 2014 23:51 m4ini wrote:
On March 01 2014 23:50 AleXoundOS wrote:
On March 01 2014 23:43 zeonmx wrote:
Shocking News : Federation Council unanimously approves sending troops to Ukraine.

Sh*t is going on...
The decision was approved by 100% of members.


You seriously were surprised by that?

Yes.


After the duma already called for an "invasion" days ago?

Wow.

Amount of dumb ideas our duma has is usually off the charts, you do not take duma's ideas seriously most of the time.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
March 01 2014 14:59 GMT
#2032
On March 01 2014 23:58 Gorsameth wrote:
And so it is once again shown that EU protection is a fucking joke. We will happily promise our protection but as soon as something bigger then a fly shows up we tuck our tails between our legs and run away.

Sickening to see how spineless our leadership has become.

I am fairly certain it was the same 70+ years ago too ^^
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6334 Posts
March 01 2014 15:02 GMT
#2033
On March 01 2014 23:57 Sent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2014 23:51 zeo wrote:
Local government buildings taken by anti-junta protesters


I don't understand how can you post images with Russian flags on Ukrainian teritory and call all this crap anit-junta movement. Why don't you put some swastikas above Kiev to make it look even better?

The people of Ukraine want Russia to protect them. Carrying around Russian flags is no different than carrying EU/US flags at Maidan
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2229 Posts
March 01 2014 15:03 GMT
#2034
According to Brussels it's time to hit Russia hard and fast with an aggressive leaflet campaign
Twoflowers
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany241 Posts
March 01 2014 15:03 GMT
#2035
On March 01 2014 23:58 Gorsameth wrote:
And so it is once again shown that EU protection is a fucking joke. We will happily promise our protection but as soon as something bigger then a fly shows up we tuck our tails between our legs and run away.

Sickening to see how spineless our leadership has become.


What EU protection? We have no treaties with the Ukraine that would justify a military intervention. We also have no forces in Ukraine, while russia has a fucking naval base near the biggest crimean city. Economic threats at russia would probably not be enough to stop an invasion. So what exactly shoulod teh EU do?
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
March 01 2014 15:03 GMT
#2036
On March 01 2014 23:58 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2014 23:58 m4ini wrote:
On March 01 2014 23:55 AleXoundOS wrote:
On March 01 2014 23:51 m4ini wrote:
On March 01 2014 23:50 AleXoundOS wrote:
On March 01 2014 23:43 zeonmx wrote:
Shocking News : Federation Council unanimously approves sending troops to Ukraine.

Sh*t is going on...
The decision was approved by 100% of members.


You seriously were surprised by that?

Yes.


After the duma already called for an "invasion" days ago?

Wow.

Amount of dumb ideas our duma has is usually off the charts, you do not take duma's ideas seriously most of the time.


Well, then let's say, everyone who did not trust russia in the first place wasn't surprised.

On track to MA1950A.
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
March 01 2014 15:03 GMT
#2037
On March 01 2014 23:58 Gorsameth wrote:
And so it is once again shown that EU protection is a fucking joke. We will happily promise our protection but as soon as something bigger then a fly shows up we tuck our tails between our legs and run away.

Sickening to see how spineless our leadership has become.


EU protection means something if it's backed up by US power, which in practice it usually is. TBH, I don't think Russia can effectively go through with this, they will have to back down at some point. No point in sending troops to Ukraine and risk an armed conflict when there are less direct means to achieve the same goals.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
March 01 2014 15:04 GMT
#2038
On March 01 2014 15:22 MyrMindservant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2014 03:30 mcc wrote:
...
As for persecution of minorities, the regional languages were banned in official acts nearly immediately after new government took power.
...

Sigh, here we go again. I wish people would refrain from making statements about thing they don't understand. I'll have to repeat myself:
"Ukrainian is the only official language in Ukraine. This is written in our constitution and was present there since we adopted it in 1996. And everything was fine, people still used Russian in all parts of Ukraine without a problem. They just had to use Ukrainian in some formal situations.
In 2012, previous government decided to pass a law that would give Russian language a status of regional. Basically it would allow some regions to use Russian as official even though this contradicts our constitution. Practically, that law had very little impact because Russian was already used everywhere in those regions.

Less than a week ago, parliament had a vote and that law was properly canceled as unconstitutional. Now, many forces are exaggerating this fact and making various scary stories even though we were living fine without that law for more than 16 years."

Even though Russian doesn't have the status of official language, it has never stopped people from using it in official situations, like government and courts. It is one of the many norms in Ukraine that aren't enforced or enforced very loosely.
That law was only pushed through by the previous government to increase its ratings among the pro-russian crowd. And in practice its cancellation hardly changes anything, just like when it was adopted. All these debates about the language issue are full of speculation, some parties are simply using it as an another instrument of propaganda.

I do not doubt that practically it does not matter. Question is why was it a priority for the parliament at this time ? I would assume they have better things to do, I just take it as a sign of their priorities.
zeonmx
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States111 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-01 15:07:44
March 01 2014 15:05 GMT
#2039
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/439766489508245505/photo/1

[image loading]

Russia just want entire Black Sea back.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-01 15:07:27
March 01 2014 15:06 GMT
#2040
On March 02 2014 00:02 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2014 23:57 Sent. wrote:
On March 01 2014 23:51 zeo wrote:
Local government buildings taken by anti-junta protesters


I don't understand how can you post images with Russian flags on Ukrainian teritory and call all this crap anit-junta movement. Why don't you put some swastikas above Kiev to make it look even better?

The people of Ukraine want Russia to protect them. Carrying around Russian flags is no different than carrying EU/US flags at Maidan


Sources for that, polls or something that show "what the people of Ukraine" want, or are you just pulling facts out of nowhere again?

Edit: i mean it's cute, the first wave of protests is "euromaidan fascists against the world", and now it's "people of ukraine wanting to be rescued by mother russia". Just makes you look REALLY onedimensional.
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