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On March 01 2014 22:46 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2014 22:42 zeonmx wrote:
Considering the fact it's the eastern part of Ukraine that makes most of Ukraine's economy, including Crimea (which plays biggest part in Ukraine's economy, since it exports huge chunks of agriculture, plus tourism and major port cities), losing Crimea would be a big fucking blow to Ukraine. Even if Ukraine would join EU, they will most likely be no use of a member without much of economic boost to speak of. There are several members in the EU that are pretty weak, they actually get a lot of money from the EU to try and build up the country, so the same could be done with Ukraine. If this would be a good thing I don't know.
But why in the hell would EU want another baggage? They don't want another deadbeat country to join their club, when EU's economy is stagnating as of lately.
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On March 01 2014 22:33 zeo wrote:In Donetsk over 30k people have gathered in their central square: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/h7Labju.jpg) Ukraine has obviously no intention of kneeling to the junta in Kiev edit: Picture from Kharkiv: + Show Spoiler +and a video: + Show Spoiler +
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Oh dammit, I hate this informational war, it is so confusing!
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Putin just requested the Russian parliament to approve a military intervention of Russia in Ukraine
(breaking news of german national TV)
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Hey, ppl from US, let's have some fun, u'll send me stars'n'stripes and I'll go and try to rise it upon the governmental building on our square instead of russian flag, and after all this we're grabing popcorn, sitting down and watching different theories spreading the world :O
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"Military intervention". It is more of war declaration on the state of Ukraine.
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On March 01 2014 23:05 mahrgell wrote:
Putin just requested the Russian parliament to approve a military intervention of Russia in Ukraine
(breaking news of german national TV)
"In connection with the extraordinary situation in Ukraine, the threat to the lives of citizens of the Russian Federation, our compatriots, and the personnel of the armed forces of the Russian Federation on Ukrainian territory (in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea) ... I submit a proposal on using the armed forces of the Russian Federation on the territory of Ukraine until the normalisation of the socio-political situation in the that country,"
@Saihv These are normal people without masks and weapons. They go home. They don't set fire to their city and attack police.
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EU turned back from Ukraine, nobody gives a shit about us except Putin :/
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On March 01 2014 22:48 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2014 22:42 zeonmx wrote:
Considering the fact it's the eastern part of Ukraine that makes most of Ukraine's economy, including Crimea (which plays biggest part in Ukraine's economy, since it exports huge chunks of agriculture, plus tourism and major port cities), losing Crimea would be a big fucking blow to Ukraine. Even if Ukraine would join EU, they will most likely be no use of a member without much of economic boost to speak of. Agreed (not just because we have similar names) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/JDyvozT.jpg)
That is an informative map. Good work. It seems like it would be an even harder blow to lose the rest of the eastern Ukraine.
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On March 01 2014 23:09 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:EU turned back from Ukraine, nobody gives a shit about us except Putin :/
Last time I checked nobody asked for german panzers to roll into Ukraine. So what exactly should we do? Bomb Moskau?
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On March 01 2014 23:05 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
Hey, ppl from US, let's have some fun, u'll send me stars'n'stripes and I'll go and try to rise it upon the governmental building on our square instead of russian flag, and after all this we're grabing popcorn, sitting down and watching different thories spreading the world :O
The ultimate trolling :o
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On March 01 2014 20:41 MyrMindservant wrote:
And yet again I have to quote my earlier answer in this thread. I wish people would learn to do some research before making statements.
For what EU is responsible at the moment? They are actively supporting those leaders who signed the agreement and did not fulfil it. Isn't it clear?
Moreover where is investigation of recent acts of violence conducted by Council of Europe and others? Or you think that at least this+ Show Spoiler + map of destroyed monuments in 2014 is propaganda of something? People could defend a few monuments, but of course not all of them. These are just monuments, and violence towards people from radicals won't be investigated neither.
However, at least you agree that the agreement was faulty by default.
Yanukovich didn't even try to cooperate Really? He gave most of his authority to parliament by following 1st paragraph of agreement that restored constitution of 2004. This is the biggest cooperation he could do - losing his powers. And he commanded Berkut forces not to defend buildings and go home.
On February 24 2014 01:05 MyrMindservant wrote:
Yanukovich is the one who broke it. He had to cooperate with opposition and parliament by signing laws that require his sign, but he fled from Kiev at the evening of the same day when the deal was signed. He did it without telling anyone and even tried to flee from Ukraine. About second paragraph of agreement, signing laws is not that difficult especially if following 2004 constitution parliament does most of the job.
You are a proved source of information that Yanukovich fled from Kiev. You don't even know that НТВ is nearly oppositional TV channel. There is no clear information about it, from his words his escort was engaged by fire and he had to escape saving his life. Yanukovich is a betrayer. But this does not mean that 4th and 5th paragraphs can be automatically ignored. EU ignores them, especially 5th paragraph regarding weapons and stepping back from confrontational posture of opposition, officially ignoring which leads to escalation of the conflict that you see in eastern and southern parts that are not captured yet.
And which interests are that exactly? Geo-political interests. And they think that they got a very friendly government now.
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On March 01 2014 23:12 Twoflowers wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2014 23:09 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:EU turned back from Ukraine, nobody gives a shit about us except Putin :/ Last time I checked nobody asked for german panzers to roll into Ukraine. So what exactly should we do? Bomb Moskau?
Actually the interim government has asked for assistance from the US and UK so they are within there right to move troops to Ukraine to ensure the Budapest Memorandum is upheld.
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On March 01 2014 23:12 Twoflowers wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2014 23:09 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:EU turned back from Ukraine, nobody gives a shit about us except Putin :/ Last time I checked nobody asked for german panzers to roll into Ukraine. So what exactly should we do? Bomb Moskau?
Show yourself somehow, I mean, come on, Germnay is in the very top of EU in every single aspect :D Your word means a lot in modern world. I'm against intervention from both sides, it has to be our problem and it is our people must solve the problem.
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On March 01 2014 23:17 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2014 23:12 Twoflowers wrote:On March 01 2014 23:09 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:EU turned back from Ukraine, nobody gives a shit about us except Putin :/ Last time I checked nobody asked for german panzers to roll into Ukraine. So what exactly should we do? Bomb Moskau? Actually the interim government has asked for assistance from the US and UK so they are within there right to move troops to Ukraine to ensure the Budapest Memorandum is upheld.
Well the netherlands doesn't even have panzers to help with anymore :-/
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On March 01 2014 23:18 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2014 23:17 Gorsameth wrote:On March 01 2014 23:12 Twoflowers wrote:On March 01 2014 23:09 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:EU turned back from Ukraine, nobody gives a shit about us except Putin :/ Last time I checked nobody asked for german panzers to roll into Ukraine. So what exactly should we do? Bomb Moskau? Actually the interim government has asked for assistance from the US and UK so they are within there right to move troops to Ukraine to ensure the Budapest Memorandum is upheld. Well the netherlands doesn't even have panzers to help with anymore :-/
Send some marihuana and light drugs, I don't mind and people would be more than fine with ur humanitarian relief.
And a few tulips, just to show where it cames from :D
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Ukrainian ships moving out of harbors to prevent capture. Russia mobilizing forces.
This is getting pretty scary...
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On March 01 2014 23:20 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2014 23:18 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On March 01 2014 23:17 Gorsameth wrote:On March 01 2014 23:12 Twoflowers wrote:On March 01 2014 23:09 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:EU turned back from Ukraine, nobody gives a shit about us except Putin :/ Last time I checked nobody asked for german panzers to roll into Ukraine. So what exactly should we do? Bomb Moskau? Actually the interim government has asked for assistance from the US and UK so they are within there right to move troops to Ukraine to ensure the Budapest Memorandum is upheld. Well the netherlands doesn't even have panzers to help with anymore :-/ Send some marihuana and light drugs, I don't mind and people would be more than fine with ur humanitarian relief. And a few tulips, just to show where it cames from :D
Will do  . And we'll come save you in 10 years when our billion dollar flying junks of F-35 are finally finished.
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Nvm 
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