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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On March 02 2014 00:02 zeo wrote: The people of Ukraine want Russia to protect them. Carrying around Russian flags is no different than carrying EU/US flags at Maidan I want my police and my army to protect me, it's about russian or american army, oh wait, ofc u know more  | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On March 01 2014 23:59 lolfail9001 wrote: I am fairly certain it was the same 70+ years ago too ^^ What are you talking about? There was no EU 70 years ago. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On March 02 2014 00:06 Dangermousecatdog wrote: What are you talking about? There was no EU 70 years ago. There were European Countries however. EU is just a union of them after all, huh? | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On March 02 2014 00:06 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: I want my police and my army to protect me, it's about russian or american army, oh wait, ofc u know more We all want alot, i for one, want to know all the truth about **** that is going on there. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21736 Posts
On March 02 2014 00:03 hypercube wrote: EU protection means something if it's backed up by US power, which in practice it usually is. TBH, I don't think Russia can effectively go through with this, they will have to back down at some point. No point in sending troops to Ukraine and risk an armed conflict when there are less direct means to achieve the same goals. Except that seems to be what is happening at this very moment. On March 02 2014 00:03 Twoflowers wrote: What EU protection? We have no treaties with the Ukraine that would justify a military intervention. We also have no forces in Ukraine, while russia has a fucking naval base near the biggest crimean city. Economic threats at russia would probably not be enough to stop an invasion. So what exactly shoulod teh EU do? The Budapest Memorandum is why atleast the US and UK have a duty atm. And what we should do? How about following Russians example when they moved there army to Ukraine's borders and showing them that we will respond if they invade instead of flinging harsh words. This is a game of chicken by Putin and we pulled out before it even started. | ||
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Jochan
Poland1730 Posts
Before voting on accession, Ukraine demanded from Russia, the USA, France and the United Kingdom a written statement that these powers undertook to extend the security guarantees to Ukraine. Instead security assurances to Ukraine (Ukraine published the documents as guarantees given to Ukraine[5]) were given on 5 December 1994 at a formal ceremony in Budapest (known as the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances[6]), may be summarized as follows: Russia, the UK and the USA undertake to respect Ukraine's borders in accordance with the principles of the 1975 CSCE Final Act, to abstain from the use or threat of force against Ukraine, to support Ukraine where an attempt is made to place pressure on it by economic coercion, and to bring any incident of aggression by a nuclear power before the UN Security Council. Now what the fuck is GB and USA supposed to do ? Send troops and risk world war 3 ? Pussy out and show Putin that he can do whatever the fuck he wants ? War is not in anyone's interest but if Russia gets what it wants it will be terrible... | ||
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johanes
Czech Republic2228 Posts
On March 02 2014 00:09 lolfail9001 wrote: There were European Countries however. EU is just a union of them after all, huh? Yep, here in Czech we remember the powerful Europe protection during Munich Agreement (sarcasm) | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On March 02 2014 00:10 johanes wrote: Yep, here in Czech we remember the powerful Europe protection during Munich Agreement (sarcasm) I was thinking more about Poland, but i see you know what i mean :D | ||
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zeo
Serbia6298 Posts
On March 02 2014 00:09 Gorsameth wrote: Except that seems to be what is happening at this very moment. The Budapest Memorandum is why atleast the US and UK have a duty atm. And what we should do? How about following Russians example when they moved there army to Ukraine's borders and showing them that we will respond if they invade instead of flinging harsh words. This is a game of chicken by Putin and we pulled out before it even started. I'm sure the grand army and navy of Holland will put a stop to evul dicktator Putin. edit: don't really think you should be speaking on behalf of NATO, countries like mine or yours are just along for the ride | ||
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Twoflowers
Germany241 Posts
On March 02 2014 00:09 Gorsameth wrote: Except that seems to be what is happening at this very moment. The Budapest Memorandum is why atleast the US and UK have a duty atm. And what we should do? How about following Russians example when they moved there army to Ukraine's borders and showing them that we will respond if they invade instead of flinging harsh words. This is a game of chicken by Putin and we pulled out before it even started. http://www.ezilon.com/maps/images/europe/political-map-of-Ukraine.gif <-- to which border do you want the uk move forces? Shit is going down a bit too fast to organize a movement of UK troops to romania, poland etc. and they would have to go through turkish territory for acces to the black sea. Also these movements would have been interpreted as agression towards russia. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10128 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On March 02 2014 00:20 Godwrath wrote: Putin is about to pull off the biggest bluff of this decade. You highly underestimate Russia's imperialistic aims. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21736 Posts
On March 02 2014 00:17 Twoflowers wrote: http://www.ezilon.com/maps/images/europe/political-map-of-Ukraine.gif <-- to which border do you want the uk move forces? Shit is going down a bit too fast to organize a movement of UK troops to romania, poland etc. and they would have to go through turkish territory for acces to the black sea. Also these movements would have been interpreted as agression towards russia. And Russia moving its army to Ukrains border isn't a sign of aggression? Is it a sign when there flying military helicopters across the border? Is it a sign when they approve "war"? Would the troops need to be there in an hour? no ofc not but when you have your people mobilizing for the move it shows Russia your serious We're seeing the effects of doing next to nothing right now. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21736 Posts
On March 02 2014 00:22 darkness wrote: You highly underestimate Russia's imperialistic aims. Yep, there is nothing bluff about this. His aim has always been the re-establishment of the USSR in one form or another. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On March 02 2014 00:09 lolfail9001 wrote: There were European Countries however. EU is just a union of them after all, huh? Is this "EU is a country" trolling taken to a new level? I suggest you read up on both what the EU is, and the history of the world 70 years ago. I didn't think it really needed to be said, but 70 years ago Europe was hardly united, politically or otherwise in any manner, as it was in the middle of WW2. | ||
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SilentchiLL
Germany1405 Posts
On March 02 2014 00:02 zeo wrote: The people of Ukraine want Russia to protect them. Carrying around Russian flags is no different than carrying EU/US flags at Maidan Does your fixation on the belief that the Russians are always the good guys (atleast that's what I've been reading out of your posts) come from a general dislike of western countries, or from liking Russia in particular? Don't take it the wrong way, it's a genuine question, since you sided with Russia on every point of discussion here for soon to be a hundred pages, starting with this post (you made one or two before this one, but those were mostly about criticizing the american foreign policy in similar cases if I remember correctly): On January 27 2014 07:07 zeo wrote: You seem to be forgetting that the last time these 'revolutioners' came to power they brought the country on the brink of economic collapse with their irrational russophobia. Practically the only thing the current president could do to save the country was turn to the only party willing to save Ukraine's ass. Russia. Dav1oN has it right and I've said it before in this thread, the whole landscape needs to change. That won't happen as long as these hard-core nationalists, football hooligans and nazi sympathizers keep brainwashing the people in the streets to destroy their own country. Its so easy to be an internet freedom fighter circlejerker these days on TL. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10128 Posts
On March 02 2014 00:23 Gorsameth wrote: Yep, there is nothing bluff about this. His aim has always been the re-establishment of the USSR in one form or another. Huh? This would not happen if we were reacting adequately to the threat to Ukraine's sovereignty. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On March 02 2014 00:23 Gorsameth wrote: Yep, there is nothing bluff about this. His aim has always been the re-establishment of the USSR in one form or another. Yep. They also have pro-Russia puppets in ex-communist countries. I can tell this with 100% certainty for my country at least. This is what the ex-communist (now socialists) party did to satisfy Russia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgas–Alexandroupoli_pipeline http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Stream Don't underestimate Russia's imperialistic aims as I said. What EU & US need to do now is to push back Russia appropriately. They are asking for it. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
![[image loading]](http://cs413522.vk.me/v413522459/7b29/XLUCg23pUa8.jpg) And a picture below says that he's from Moscow and russian! ![[image loading]](http://cs413522.vk.me/v413522459/7b22/L5_pttgFycI.jpg) He's social web-page: http://vk.com/venoru I could not expect that O_O | ||
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