Ukraine Crisis - Page 103

On March 02 2014 00:02 zeo wrote:

The people of Ukraine want Russia to protect them. Carrying around Russian flags is no different than carrying EU/US flags at Maidan

On March 01 2014 23:59 lolfail9001 wrote:

I am fairly certain it was the same 70+ years ago too ^^

On March 02 2014 00:06 Dangermousecatdog wrote:

What are you talking about? There was no EU 70 years ago.

On March 02 2014 00:06 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:


I want my police and my army to protect me, it's about russian or american army, oh wait, ofc u know more

On March 02 2014 00:03 hypercube wrote:


EU protection means something if it's backed up by US power, which in practice it usually is. TBH, I don't think Russia can effectively go through with this, they will have to back down at some point. No point in sending troops to Ukraine and risk an armed conflict when there are less direct means to achieve the same goals.

On March 02 2014 00:03 Twoflowers wrote:


What EU protection? We have no treaties with the Ukraine that would justify a military intervention. We also have no forces in Ukraine, while russia has a fucking naval base near the biggest crimean city. Economic threats at russia would probably not be enough to stop an invasion. So what exactly shoulod teh EU do?

Before voting on accession, Ukraine demanded from Russia, the USA, France and the United Kingdom a written statement that these powers undertook to extend the security guarantees to Ukraine. Instead security assurances to Ukraine (Ukraine published the documents as guarantees given to Ukraine[5]) were given on 5 December 1994 at a formal ceremony in Budapest (known as the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances[6]), may be summarized as follows: Russia, the UK and the USA undertake to respect Ukraine's borders in accordance with the principles of the 1975 CSCE Final Act, to abstain from the use or threat of force against Ukraine, to support Ukraine where an attempt is made to place pressure on it by economic coercion, and to bring any incident of aggression by a nuclear power before the UN Security Council.

On March 02 2014 00:09 lolfail9001 wrote:

There were European Countries however. EU is just a union of them after all, huh?

On March 02 2014 00:10 johanes wrote:

Yep, here in Czech we remember the powerful Europe protection during Munich Agreement (sarcasm)

On March 02 2014 00:09 Gorsameth wrote:

Except that seems to be what is happening at this very moment.


The Budapest Memorandum is why atleast the US and UK have a duty atm.

And what we should do? How about following Russians example when they moved there army to Ukraine's borders and showing them that we will respond if they invade instead of flinging harsh words.
This is a game of chicken by Putin and we pulled out before it even started.

On March 02 2014 00:09 Gorsameth wrote:

Except that seems to be what is happening at this very moment.


The Budapest Memorandum is why atleast the US and UK have a duty atm.

And what we should do? How about following Russians example when they moved there army to Ukraine's borders and showing them that we will respond if they invade instead of flinging harsh words.
This is a game of chicken by Putin and we pulled out before it even started.

On March 02 2014 00:20 Godwrath wrote:
Putin is about to pull off the biggest bluff of this decade.

On March 02 2014 00:17 Twoflowers wrote:

http://www.ezilon.com/maps/images/europe/political-map-of-Ukraine.gif <-- to which border do you want the uk move forces? Shit is going down a bit too fast to organize a movement of UK troops to romania, poland etc. and they would have to go through turkish territory for acces to the black sea. Also these movements would have been interpreted as agression towards russia.

On March 02 2014 00:22 darkness wrote:


You highly underestimate Russia's imperialistic aims.

On March 02 2014 00:09 lolfail9001 wrote:

There were European Countries however. EU is just a union of them after all, huh?

On March 02 2014 00:02 zeo wrote:

The people of Ukraine want Russia to protect them. Carrying around Russian flags is no different than carrying EU/US flags at Maidan

On January 27 2014 07:07 zeo wrote:

You seem to be forgetting that the last time these 'revolutioners' came to power they brought the country on the brink of economic collapse with their irrational russophobia. Practically the only thing the current president could do to save the country was turn to the only party willing to save Ukraine's ass. Russia.

Dav1oN has it right and I've said it before in this thread, the whole landscape needs to change. That won't happen as long as these hard-core nationalists, football hooligans and nazi sympathizers keep brainwashing the people in the streets to destroy their own country. Its so easy to be an internet freedom fighter circlejerker these days on TL.

On March 02 2014 00:23 Gorsameth wrote:

Yep, there is nothing bluff about this. His aim has always been the re-establishment of the USSR in one form or another.

On March 02 2014 00:23 Gorsameth wrote:

Yep, there is nothing bluff about this. His aim has always been the re-establishment of the USSR in one form or another.