Wraiths versus Carriers

On October 09 2013 12:21 BisuDagger wrote:
Here you go, prepare to shit your pants watching this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiIRazYouGw

On October 09 2013 13:51 herozour wrote:
So you are saying that spamming goliath and playing cat and mouse game with carriers is the only option?

On October 09 2013 13:57 SheaR619 wrote:


No, wraith are good unit against carriers. It just that you generally wont see or have a reason to build that many starport AND THEN create wraith with 0-0-0 upgrade against carriers because you have probably 12 factory with probably 2-2 or 3-3 mech army to produce 12 golliath at the same time. Golliath also does decent on the ground too, while wraith are kinda bad on the ground and even worst when the protoss ground army is probably have 2-2-2 or 3-3-3. Also he is killing interceptor which are pretty pricey and can add up.

Here old video of Boxer glory day where he used medic to flare blind the observer and then snipe carriers incase you havent seen. Here is at 5min

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDMSD_XnZFA

EDIT: Cant find the game, it too old so this clip will have to suffice.

EDIT 2: There is also lock down to counter carriers but it kinda unorthodox.

On October 09 2013 15:09 traceurling wrote:
I honesty can't evaluate the troll level of this post

On October 09 2013 12:54 herozour wrote:
Hahaha. Flash is noob cause he just spammed goliaths when wraith are much better weapon against carriers.
Also look at how much money he wasted on em. Instead of just building 12 wraiths and 1 science vessel(for EMP).

On October 09 2013 16:09 itsjustatank wrote:


is this real life

On October 09 2013 13:51 herozour wrote:
So you are saying that spamming goliath and playing cat and mouse game with carriers is the only option?

On October 09 2013 16:29 Operations wrote:



it's a matter of style.

the goal of wraiths is to limit the carrier movement when harassing bases. so a small group of wraiths can be effective when protoss is getting too aggressive when harassing a base.

the trick here is to periodically scan the carriers, snipe the observers with the goliaths and charging in with the wraiths when there is an opening.

On October 09 2013 13:17 ArvickHero wrote:
Goliaths are better because of upgrades (you'd already be researching ground attack/def), they are cheaper (per unit and infrastructure), they fare better vs Dragoons, they deal more damage and wraiths are squishier in general especially vs storm.

The biggest reason however, is that once Protoss knows wraiths are being built, he only needs to build a few corsairs and an obs fleet, which will result in obliterated wraiths before they can gun down all the obs. So for this reason alone, wraiths are only viable as a one-shot surprise counter.

On October 09 2013 16:43 herozour wrote:

Yeah and flash didn't do it in a LONG game which is why he is noob.
Anyway nobody told me what is mech yet.
Ok never mind I found it. Mech means factory based army.


You can build many science vessels and do defensive matrix on your wraiths and PWN those corsairs or whatnot. Epic pwnage guaranteed.
Might even bring some SCVs for repairs.

Besides you can COMBINE(hehe very clever) the boxer medic strategy with stealth wraith, EMP and defense matrixes and SCVs. That's epic MULTIPWNAGE right there! Guaranteed!

On October 09 2013 13:51 herozour wrote:
So you are saying that spamming goliath and playing cat and mouse game with carriers is the only option?

On October 09 2013 17:54 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:


Ok I will distill it down for you.

Wraiths are good against carriers, but they are terrible against protoss (at least MUCH MUCH worse than goliathes).

On October 09 2013 18:22 herozour wrote:
Did you see the rep from the first post? You think goliath spam was best in that particular situation?

On October 09 2013 18:42 Operations wrote:

Have you watched hiya play?

On October 09 2013 18:44 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:


Undoubtably, Jangbi still had a massive gas stack for templars, through most of the game he still had a sizeable ground army. I can't emphasize enough just how much even a small protoss ground army completely invalidates a wraith fleet.

And by the time Jangbi didn't have much ground army left, due to lacking mining. Flash himself was starving, especially for gas, and couldn't afford to lay down the extra starports, or the wraiths (which cost twice as much gas as goliathes).

Basically at no point in that game would it have been wise to switch to wraiths, especially since python isn't even a good map for carriers, golies do perfectly fine on open maps like that.



In TvP?? I recall him using lots of wraiths in TvT, as did ALOT of terrans near the end of Kespa BW. I don't seem to recall him using wraiths much in TvP.

On October 09 2013 18:56 Operations wrote:


Leta vs pusan@katrina: 3ports wraiths into bio

Hiya vs free@ triathlon : 3 ports wraiths into nukes

Hiya vs tyson @ fighting spirit : 5 rax +1 into 3 ports wraiths to kill reavers and shuttles

On October 09 2013 18:56 Operations wrote:


Leta vs pusan@katrina: 3ports wraiths into bio

Hiya vs free@ triathlon : 3 ports wraiths into nukes

Hiya vs tyson @ fighting spirit : 5 rax +1 into 3 ports wraiths to kill reavers and shuttles

On October 09 2013 23:01 traceurling wrote:
Dmatrix every single wraith while using medics to blind everything EMP the carriers and bring SCVs around to repair wraiths against carriers which obviously don't have a shitton of burst damage. Seems viable.

On October 09 2013 13:17 ArvickHero wrote:
Goliaths are better because of upgrades (you'd already be researching ground attack/def), they are cheaper (per unit and infrastructure), they fare better vs Dragoons, they deal more damage and wraiths are squishier in general especially vs storm.

The biggest reason however, is that once Protoss knows wraiths are being built, he only needs to build a few corsairs and an obs fleet, which will result in obliterated wraiths before they can gun down all the obs. So for this reason alone, wraiths are only viable as a one-shot surprise counter.

On October 09 2013 16:43 herozour wrote:

Yeah and flash didn't do it in a LONG game which is why he is noob.
Anyway nobody told me what is mech yet.
Ok never mind I found it. Mech means factory based army.


You can build many science vessels and do defensive matrix on your wraiths and PWN those corsairs or whatnot. Epic pwnage guaranteed.
Might even bring some SCVs for repairs.

Besides you can COMBINE(hehe very clever) the boxer medic strategy with stealth wraith, EMP and defense matrixes and SCVs. That's epic MULTIPWNAGE right there! Guaranteed!