Blizzard to announce something at PAX - Page 18

FFW_Rude

France10201 Posts

March 18 2013 13:07 GMT

#341

On March 18 2013 21:57 novamarine wrote:
Starcraft: Kinect

Oh i remember that... I don't know if i can still find the video

EDIT : and look the first phrase : "A phoenix rise from his ashes..."

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150141698057301 (sorry i googled it and it was on FB and not youtube)

butterstulle

Germany20 Posts

March 18 2013 13:12 GMT

#342

On February 27 2013 18:30 kafkaesque wrote:
Diablo 3 for PS3/4. They've announced it already.

this

they wanna release D3 with the Ps4

sylverfyre

United States8298 Posts

March 18 2013 13:39 GMT

#343

On March 14 2013 21:11 Animzor wrote:

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On March 14 2013 20:52 nihlon wrote:

On March 14 2013 00:04 paralleluniverse wrote:

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On March 11 2013 22:05 Martijn wrote:

On March 11 2013 20:23 GrapeApe wrote:

On March 02 2013 07:26 aksfjh wrote:

On March 02 2013 07:11 NicolBolas wrote:

On March 02 2013 05:04 scrdmnttr wrote:
It's completely true. The BW zealots (not the unit >_>) might hate this, but SC2 is merely BW made with modern technology.
It is also true that there is vast opportunities for innovation, and changing units and tacking on macro features is not innovation.

Yes, there "is vast opportunities for innovation". But if they did that... it wouldn't be like SC1 in any way. It would probably use a different resource collection model, with different play dynamics, and in all ways be a different game.

That's the difference between having an audience and not having one. WC3 was innovative in many ways. And look how many SC1 players did not play it.

That taught Blizzard a lesson: change is bad. Change means fewer sales. Change means your audience won't play it.

So if you want to blame someone for the lack of innovation in SC2, you know where to look.

A better example, look at D3. It was change, and a lot of it for the better. Reasonable people loved it, as did many newcomers to the series, but "fans" hated it because it wasn't D2.1.

LOL are you kidding me? Please, tell me what all these changes for the better supposedly were.

No skilltrees, game design experts called it a huge leap. Sirlin did a write up; http://www.sirlin.net/blog/2012/5/3/diablo-3s-ability-system.html

All is cool and dandy, if it actually mattered. First of all, you could do just fine in D2 by not using "the only true build". I know a guy who put 1 point into every skill on every tree and had loads of fun. Not everyone is hardcore competitive player you know. Sure D2's system was flawed (as was entirety of D2 compared to D1, but that's another story entirely) but no one cared and a ton of people were playing it for years both on battle.net and single-player/LAN.

Now, let's go the other way around and compare D3's UI/skills to D1. In D1 each class had exactly 1 skill, you couldn't improve it so no worries there. The stat points were there, but what was the most important were the limits (different for each class) so you couldn't just dump everything into vitality as in D2 and the big red + button served more as a progress indicator than anything else. Then you got the excellent system of learning and improving spells through books, which was tied to your intelligence stat, giving your warriors and rogues additional tools and at the same time leaving mages on top of that because they could get all those spells to much much higher levels.

All in all, it wasn't a "build your character" game. What was important there was hacking and slashing (and blasting) the monsters, which this games should be all about and both D2 and D3 have kind of lost their focus there.

There is a reason why I'm still playing D1 (just running around solo, hacking and slashing) and not D2 or D3, which I tried and abandoned (D3 after a week, D2 provided more entertainment).

It doesn't work like that unless the game is easy as shit and completely offline. If the game is hard, like D3 inferno at launch, or if it's competitive (optimizing farming, making money on the AH), then people demand efficiency and you're argument about people being able to do what they like is not correct. It's not viable, it punishes noobs who don't look up internet guides, and it's completely out-of-touch with how people actually play the game.

If you think about this objectively, instead of clinging to old and failed designs, like the D2 skill system, you'll see that D3 skill system is far superior and offers more meaningful and real choices than D2 could.

Yes, the skill system is not what made diablo 3 a disappointing game. With a better story, better balanced drops (ignoring the auction house) and a better constructed inferno mode I think D3 wouldn't have gotten nearly as much hate as it's gotten.

The skill system in D3 was actually super disappointing. Not only that, it wasn't fun to level up, which is one of the most important parts of any RPG, action- or otherwise. D3 did nothing to improve gaming, they threw everything good out the window and started from scratch, creating one of the highest grossing turds of all time. Thank god for the new kickstarter trend, because there seems to be some genuinely good games in the making.

I actually totally disagree with you. I REALLY enjoyed the skill system in D3. It's fun to be allowed to try out all the different skills, but be encouraged to find a build you like and stick with it when you hit endgame.

What I didn't enjoy was that you hit your level cap and then have nothing to do but grind for new items - really, D2 had this too, but I'm too old for this shit after years of playing grindy games, I want something else now. It didn't help that itemization in D3 is fundamentally BORING (just look for pieces with all the stats you need,hopefully as high as the system lets you go : class-based-mainstat, health, allresist, crit, and so on)

Even WoW has more interesting itemization, and that's with the entire system being perfectly mathed out.

kinglemon

Germany199 Posts

March 18 2013 13:47 GMT

#344

it's blizzard allstars.

Firebolt145

Lalalaland34503 Posts

March 18 2013 13:57 GMT

#345

It makes no sense for them to be so incredibly cryptic about this if it's just going to be Blizzard All Stars.

unkkz

Norway2196 Posts

March 18 2013 14:00 GMT

#346

On March 18 2013 22:57 Firebolt145 wrote:
It makes no sense for them to be so incredibly cryptic about this if it's just going to be Blizzard All Stars.

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Callynn

Netherlands917 Posts

March 18 2013 14:02 GMT

#347

On March 18 2013 22:57 Firebolt145 wrote:
It makes no sense for them to be so incredibly cryptic about this if it's just going to be Blizzard All Stars.

I think it's just the first preview of their newest game, that is not Project Titan but something else - probably console oriented.

Crownlol

United States3726 Posts

March 18 2013 14:03 GMT

#348

On March 18 2013 22:57 Firebolt145 wrote:
It makes no sense for them to be so incredibly cryptic about this if it's just going to be Blizzard All Stars.

Blizzard are masters of hype, though.

Firebolt145

Lalalaland34503 Posts

March 18 2013 14:10 GMT

#349

On March 18 2013 23:03 Crownlol wrote:

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Blizzard are masters of hype, though.

True, but they've never hyped something everyone already knew about by giving it a completely unrelated codename.

It won't be diablo 3 on consoles either.

nounaut

Sweden10 Posts

March 18 2013 14:13 GMT

#350

It is most likely going to be Blizzard All-Stars.
They already said it would be revealed following the HotS launch.

hoby2000

United States918 Posts

March 18 2013 14:27 GMT

#351

On March 18 2013 23:13 nounaut wrote:
It is most likely going to be Blizzard All-Stars.
They already said it would be revealed following the HotS launch.

No, they said it was nothing they've talked about before.

I think it's a game making utility. Why not? They make this bad ass map maker for just SC2. Why not just finish it off as a stand alone game maker, release it to people, then create something like the iTunes store for computers that allows people to buy and play each other's games for a relatively cheap price? It makes sense to me. They said they were going to do that originally with SC2, but what I think they realized is that if people are going to pay for something like that, they're going to not want to force people to buy a game like SC2 before they can even THINK about buying the developer's map.

Hitch-22

Canada753 Posts

March 18 2013 14:39 GMT

#352

maybe it's bnet 3.0 where the chat function is removed entirely for the new and improved mic only chat functions and the new installed security measure where you take a finger print scanner as well as a retinal scanner to insure you are the owner of the game. Seems legit. /endsatire... But yeah, there use to be a time I'd be jumping with excitement but now? I'm just hoping it's not a piece of shit which seems to be common trade from gaming companies lately.

bjwithbraces

United States549 Posts

March 18 2013 14:43 GMT

#353

While I tend to lean to the d3 for ps3/4, haven't they already "officially" announced that already? Doesn't it seem redundant to announce it all over again(as if it will get a better reception)? Let alone build this hype to something we're already aware of?

nihlon

Sweden5581 Posts

March 18 2013 14:46 GMT

#354

On March 18 2013 23:27 hoby2000 wrote:

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No, they said it was nothing they've talked about before.

I think it's a game making utility. Why not? They make this bad ass map maker for just SC2. Why not just finish it off as a stand alone game maker, release it to people, then create something like the iTunes store for computers that allows people to buy and play each other's games for a relatively cheap price? It makes sense to me. They said they were going to do that originally with SC2, but what I think they realized is that if people are going to pay for something like that, they're going to not want to force people to buy a game like SC2 before they can even THINK about buying the developer's map.

That's not technically what they said.

On March 18 2013 23:43 bjwithbraces wrote:
While I tend to lean to the d3 for ps3/4, haven't they already "officially" announced that already? Doesn't it seem redundant to announce it all over again(as if it will get a better reception)? Let alone build this hype to something we're already aware of?

I'll eat my box of hots if it's D3 for ps3/4.

kafkaesque

Germany2006 Posts

March 18 2013 14:55 GMT

#355

I hope it's going to be new safety features as we desperately need.

In this day and age it's pretty pathetic that anyone can just log into Bnet without providing at least a stool sample.

nihlon

Sweden5581 Posts

March 18 2013 15:08 GMT

#356

I'll also eat my box of hots if it's new safety features.

Crownlol

United States3726 Posts

March 18 2013 18:01 GMT

#357

They said it would be new, different from their current games. That means either Blizzard All Stars, or something completely off the wall- like that game making utility dudeman brought up.

MrBitter

United States2940 Posts

March 18 2013 23:33 GMT

#358

On March 19 2013 03:01 Crownlol wrote:
They said it would be new, different from their current games. That means either Blizzard All Stars, or something completely off the wall- like that game making utility dudeman brought up.

It is 100% not Blizzard All Stars.