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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
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Game
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greggy
United Kingdom1483 Posts
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On December 04 2012 20:30 greggy wrote: ^ or maybe you're one of them.. hmm If I am, I'm definitely not earning my keep. | ||
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ajxPurpleRain
United States87 Posts
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ryndaris
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Game
3191 Posts
On December 04 2012 20:34 ajxPurpleRain wrote: Blizzard products are great! I love all them. I was thrilled to purchase Mists of Panderia, an action-panda adventure-themed game filled with excellence. Another example of their can't miss spirit will be the release of Heart of the Swarm, a top-notch thrillride strategy-player which will come at the low, low price of 40 USD. Right forum buddies? If there was ever a comment I could click the "Like" button on whilst on Teamliquid... gd lol | ||
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
On December 04 2012 20:36 Game wrote: If there was ever a comment I could click the "Like" button on whilst on Teamliquid... gd lol The "Like" or "+1" button is the reason this kind of exploitation is possible. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On December 04 2012 20:35 ryndaris wrote: Well, that's certainly part of the story... but I'm sure there's many legitimate posters that express similar (apologetic) opinions. It's sad that manipulation like this takes place, but I think that for the majority of the time it falls within the boundaries of legitimately expressed opinions, so the only real effect is a slightly altered impression of community consensus. I don't think that influences player retention as much as expanding the player base, so it's still in a game's best interest to address the issues the community presents if it wants to preserve long-term player numbers. Did you just write an apologia for apologists? mind = blown | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
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TaShadan
Germany1965 Posts
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On December 04 2012 20:38 EtherealDeath wrote: You can get paid fro this? Damn, should've put my forum hogging to use. 40 per month per forum account. So that guy in Seattle is making... 2k/month for spending all his time engaging in low-intensity flamewars and sockpuppetry | ||
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Netsky
Australia1155 Posts
Maybe it's more prevalent than I think, but it seemed to be pretty rampant with Guild Wars 2 and SWTOR. Both those launches had batshit insane fanboys everywhere on forums. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On December 04 2012 20:44 Netsky wrote: Yeah, this does happen. But, it's pretty safe to say it's not happening SC2 on here, or on /r/starcraft for that matter. Maybe it's more prevalent than I think, but it seemed to be pretty rampant with Guild Wars 2 and SWTOR. Both those launches had batshit insane fanboys everywhere on forums. Actually I'm almost dead certain it's happening here. Loads of low post-count posters (sub 500 posts) trying to claim that a 2 and a half year old game is still going through teething issues, and then worshipping every new patch as if it's a magic bullet--and that's when they're not claiming HOTS (read: 60$ to blizzard) will make everything better. | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
On December 04 2012 20:34 ajxPurpleRain wrote: Blizzard products are great! I love all them. I was thrilled to purchase Mists of Panderia, an action-panda adventure-themed game filled with excellence. Another example of their can't miss spirit will be the release of Heart of the Swarm, a top-notch thrillride strategy-player which will come at the low, low price of 40 USD. Right forum buddies? Well played though. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7447 Posts
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Chezinu
United States7447 Posts
Edit: oh wait, I can edit posts in blogs. Sorry for the double post. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On December 04 2012 20:52 Chezinu wrote: I think we should definitely lynch them shady.. Fuck that, why are we wasting a lynch on them? Just vigi them | ||
ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1679 Posts
On December 04 2012 20:30 greggy wrote: ^ or maybe you're one of them.. hmm Hahahahahaha Game an employee of Blizz. My world would be turned upside-down... | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
Some (a lot) of people just like to defend things they like over the internet, and as any argument over the internet, what they say doesn't really have to make sense. But it's the same for the other side, it's not hard to find unfounded hate as easily as unreasonable love in the internet. Sure, some may actually be fake posters, but if this starts getting more attention, I just hope it won't become another insult thrown around blindly just because someone disagrees with you, like "trolling". | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50105 Posts
On December 04 2012 20:30 greggy wrote: ^ or maybe you're one of them.. hmm lol, game being a blizzard employee, yeah suddenly it all makes sense. | ||
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ryndaris
263 Posts
On December 04 2012 20:38 Shady Sands wrote: Did you just write an apologia for apologists? mind = blown Not at all... the point I was trying to make is that since apologists do exist (and their opinions are just as legitimate as mine or yours) these "fake posters" only serve to inflate the number of apologists in a given discussion. The way I see it, that doesn't change the fact the the game's developers need to address the game's issues as brought forward by the community (the critical part) if they want to retain players, so there isn't any real damage being done. | ||
zatic
Zurich15325 Posts
On December 04 2012 20:47 Shady Sands wrote: Actually I'm almost dead certain it's happening here. Loads of low post-count posters (sub 500 posts) trying to claim that a 2 and a half year old game is still going through teething issues, and then worshipping every new patch as if it's a magic bullet--and that's when they're not claiming HOTS (read: 60$ to blizzard) will make everything better. Never underestimate stupid people. I don't think this is a problem really. Assuming this exists here, if they are too overt they will be discovered and banned, if they are too inconspicuous their message will get lost. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
I'm gonna say all the people still playing SC2 aren't just being paid by Blizzard tho, so clearly there's lots of people who just make bad choices and then defend them. Actually the same happens on head-fi. Someone makes a stupid purchase and then because there's so many shills telling them they did the right thing, they join in defending it for free even tho it has tonnes of problems. Maybe Blizzard is being run by Chinese scammers lol. | ||
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xsnac
Barbados1365 Posts
@ op , i dont think your friend was talking about blizzard . i think there are many gaming company that sucks and need paid posters but blizzard is not one of them . | ||
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Chezinu
United States7447 Posts
On December 04 2012 21:28 xsnac wrote: lol this is patetic now every1 will get paranoid about ppl who defend blizzard . i defend blizzard often just becose without blizzard we would never ever have so good games ( except valve games ) such as diablo and starcraft . @ op , i dont think your friend was talking about blizzard . i think there are many gaming company that sucks and need paid posters but blizzard is not one of them . Does being aware of the horrors of scum make people paranoid? Maybe so...But that is the price one must pay to play. | ||
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Corvi
Germany1406 Posts
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Dismay
United States1180 Posts
Has anyone thought about the opposite though, the guys paid to trash talk other products? I'd love to get paid for trashtalking a certain dota clone hint hint nudge nudge. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On December 04 2012 21:49 Corvi wrote: this is a featured blog with the op even openly accusing blizz? so admins are aware of this happening on tl and are basically confirming this now? no, this is a featured blog cuz the guy is a featured poster/blogger | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
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Azera
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
That being said, you don't have to be a "plant" to defend blizzard or SC2. Some people are just more prone to form loyalty to certain brands or teams. When I was a kid it was about liking Nintendo vs liking Sega. I follow Destiny on facebook and whenever, WHENEVER he posts a status about playing league of legends it gets flooded with kids berating him for having "betrayed" Starcraft2. It's crazy. | ||
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aliquis
Austria38 Posts
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aike
United States1629 Posts
 And if you look at a thread posted a little bit ago where a guy was like "which cellphone is the best" you can tell that TL users are a big fan of samsung anyways haha. TL only banned him because it was a sneaky thing to do, not really because what he was posting was bad haha. | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On December 04 2012 20:54 Chezinu wrote: To prove my innocents, Battle.net 0.5 sucks and I never brought sc 2!!! Boycott power! Edit: oh wait, I can edit posts in blogs. Sorry for the double post. get out EA schill! :D on a serious note ive seen users on forums like incgamers who reminds me of crusaders foregoing any common sense and they are generally black and white, my first thought was such people have to be paid otherwise im loosing faith in humanity. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On December 04 2012 22:33 Caihead wrote: This isn't anything new... Governments and private enterprising individuals and organizations do it all the time, often with legitimacy and quote "professionalism" unquote. It's not a phenomenon that's historically absent either, I'm not sure why people don't assume this occurs all the time in the first place. It occurs in real life, so it is even more probable it occurs on internet where you can be in "50 places" at once with only a finger-power AND better anonamity. | ||
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On December 04 2012 22:38 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: This knowledge can really make a guy paranoid. What do you mean.... It's already commonly accepted fact that media systems and propaganda of all sorts have their own agendas and every person on the street with a loud speaker has their own personal interest or stake. We have entire professions dedicated to lying, fabricating, and defending morally offensive or harmful positions. Why not be afraid and aware of what's right in your face already. | ||
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
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FetTerBender
Germany1393 Posts
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On December 04 2012 22:47 FetTerBender wrote: Glad i work in the Marketing department. We do not lie, we interpret information And I work for the military intelligence department and discuss business ethics regarding the sales of means of people to defend themselves to the untapped African market. Also all hail lord xenu. | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On December 04 2012 22:40 Caihead wrote: What do you mean.... It's already commonly accepted fact that media systems and propaganda of all sorts have their own agendas and every person on the street with a loud speaker has their own personal interest or stake. We have entire professions dedicated to lying, fabricating, and defending morally offensive or harmful positions. Why not be afraid and aware of what's right in your face already. Well people are not paranoid because it happens, I think they are paranoid because it happens in the same medium they are("so anyone can be fake"), im generalizing here. But whenever there is a news about internet doing this and that (read: pornography, illegal stuff, reddit etc) people suddenly wake up as if their moral high ground gets destroyed. Well this stuff happened before internet was invented and there were always many people who did weird stuff but this weird stuff happened in seclusion. Its the problem of too strong medium (relatively to the times), which affected consumers/users in many areas(music industry completely unprepared, gaming industry obviously affected but that went much better, social aspects and everything you can imagine), we are kinda living in transitional period where we can't really put any caps on this medium and every person's brain contents being spilled all over the place, likes, dislikes, perversions etc. Things that people liked to keep to themselves now became some sort of your own "business card" a way to sell your new projected image just like you sell your own image after entering new class in school. Its obvious that PR agencies would be already here since this medium was born given how it works here. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
The art of persuasive speaking I guess. I wonder what it looks like. On December 04 2012 22:40 Caihead wrote: What do you mean.... It's already commonly accepted fact that media systems and propaganda of all sorts have their own agendas and every person on the street with a loud speaker has their own personal interest or stake. We have entire professions dedicated to lying, fabricating, and defending morally offensive or harmful positions. Why not be afraid and aware of what's right in your face already. Yeah but there's a difference between someone's personal opinions/interests and them being a paid consultant. The latter you would realize everything that person said or believed was more or less faked, paid for. Knowing that this person on TL that you really like is just a paid consultant who says these things to spin the image of some company or product would be pretty depressing, wouldn't it? Its like discovering your friend at school was actually paid to be your friend by a group of people (I think that works?) And even if those people exist in many professions, I think the point was that no one was aware they could exist on internet forums too. Kind of weird to think of people being secretly paid to sound like "one of us". | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On December 04 2012 22:45 GizmoPT wrote: i bet Riot pays for guys to come to SC2 forum to say sc2 is dying Why would they? For an 0.01% increase of their playerbase if all SC2 players who are also interested in MOBA games switch to LoL? | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On December 04 2012 23:46 radscorpion9 wrote: I wonder how it works though. Are these consultants just...really good at logical arguments to prove to people why Blizzard deserve another chance? What if there aren't any good arguments? How exactly do they do their job? Maybe its just enough to have someone look like they're on Blizzard's side for people to change their opinions, but I can't see how people are that fickle with their beliefs, than when they see the one guy with his 50 accounts post in a forum, they'll change their mind and think the problem isn't as big a deal as they thought. The art of persuasive speaking I guess. I wonder what it looks like. Yeah but there's a difference between someone's personal opinions/interests and them being a paid consultant. The latter you would realize everything that person said or believed was more or less faked, paid for. Knowing that this person on TL that you really like is just a paid consultant who says these things to spin the image of some company or product would be pretty depressing, wouldn't it? Its like discovering your friend at school was actually paid to be your friend by a group of people (I think that works?) And even if those people exist in many professions, I think the point was that no one was aware they could exist on internet forums too. Kind of weird to think of people being secretly paid to sound like "one of us". You know, alot of this trust and obliviousness to obvious human nature and phenomenon that occurs in every day life isn't something that's taken for granted in the developing world. Everyone pretty much knows and understands exactly what's going on because everyone is fighting to survive and squeezing out every ounce of life that they can out of the most seemingly trivial income sources. Which is why I find it extremely hilarious that people would claim that the people of poor regions don't understand their immediate political and social situation, while they themselves remain willfully ignorant or oblivious to shit that get called out before it even happens in the poor competitive regions. . | ||
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Trumpet
United States1935 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/first_post.png) That's a pretty neat job. tbh though I don't think I've ever trusted a consensus opinion, even here on TL. When I'm digging through threads for info, I tend to look for names of people I have some level of familiarity / trust with. | ||
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MHT
Sweden1026 Posts
On December 04 2012 22:45 GizmoPT wrote: i bet Riot pays for guys to come to SC2 forum to say sc2 is dying Holy shit they would do that, wouldn't they? Problem is though most low-posts just get ignored on TL | ||
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Psychobabas
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
I think it's a really shitty practice but I'm sure most marketing departments explain it away as a necessary evil, like misleading advertising. edit: I guess it's a logical career move for internet trolls. I mean the smart, old-school trolling not the modern style. You get to manipulate people AND you get payed for it. | ||
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
On December 04 2012 23:55 spinesheath wrote: Why would they? For an 0.01% increase of their playerbase if all SC2 players who are also interested in MOBA games switch to LoL? Because they're pushing LoL as a competitive game and SC2 is one of its competitors in that niche? Not saying that they're actually doing it, of course, but that wasn't the guy's point. | ||
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greggy
United Kingdom1483 Posts
On December 05 2012 00:21 Redmark wrote: Because they're pushing LoL as a competitive game and SC2 is one of its competitors in that niche? Not saying that they're actually doing it, of course, but that wasn't the guy's point. not the same niche though | ||
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
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hoby2000
United States918 Posts
I walked into this thread thinking how I was going to hate the world after I was done reading, but now I have faith in humanity again. | ||
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Destro
Netherlands1206 Posts
SCUMBAG TLer HATES blizzard and everything they do, seeing negatives in everything .... religiously plays all their games and spends free time on web forums talking about those games. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On December 05 2012 00:45 Destro wrote: too lazy to photoshop an image but just imagine it... SCUMBAG TLer HATES blizzard and everything they do, seeing negatives in everything .... religiously plays all their games and spends free time on web forums talking about those games. Actually I'm fairly certain not that many people on TL actually play SC2 on a sustained basis. Maybe something like 20-30%? | ||
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StreetWise
United States594 Posts
On December 04 2012 20:32 Shady Sands wrote: If I am, I'm definitely not earning my keep. So what you're saying is.... you are a normal Blizzard employee. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On December 05 2012 00:53 StreetWise wrote: So what you're saying is.... you are a normal Blizzard employee. Agh dammit you caught me =( | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
On December 05 2012 00:28 hoby2000 wrote: I would not be surprised if Blizzard was paying people to come on TL.net to speak well about patches and their games. In fact, I would feel a lot better knowing that this was happening because then I wouldn't have to accept that people are really that stupid. I walked into this thread thinking how I was going to hate the world after I was done reading, but now I have faith in humanity again. You have faith in humanity when people call other people that have different opinion from them stupid or being hired to be stupid? You know the chance that there are people who are hired to trashtalk on Blizzard is around the same as opposite. So now you have to be aware about people who defend Blizzard and attack Blizzard. That's terrible if you ask me. | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On December 04 2012 20:22 Game wrote: While this is common, I can guarantee you that everyone who defends Blizzard repetitively in the TL SC2 forums are not contracted employees of the corporation. Some people are simply blindly optimistic. they said that they check tl and other cumminty sites often aswell. so maby alot of them are yust simply blind, i think its yust foolish to discard the option that blizz is here aswell. | ||
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Enearde
France265 Posts
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
On December 05 2012 01:06 sabas123 wrote: they said that they check tl and other cumminty sites often aswell. so maby alot of them are yust simply blind, i think its yust foolish to discard the option that blizz is here aswell. Well, every big company is on this list whether it's Blizzard,Valve,Riot,EA,Bioware. Anything is possible so it's kinda pointless to discuss about it | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On December 04 2012 22:07 Azera wrote: Wow this is pretty dumb. Blizzard is such an amazing company that has won many awards that proves it's prestige and honour. Blizzard will never do something like this. That scummy company Electronic Arts on the other hand, now they're something. almost all the pre wc3 staff has been replaced right now. and those where the guys who realy made the price winnning games. | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On December 05 2012 01:08 Enearde wrote: I assure you, Blizzard products are so good! I think you should buy their next game, previews sound amazing, it's an expansion for Starcraft II, the best RTS ever where units goes HELL YEAH and then burn the face off the shit of someone else. In fact, if you preorder it, you get a pretty good deal, a beta key to access all the new features before everyone else! wow a beta key, i think alot of them have been given to the alot inactive people like me who haven't logged on for like 6 months and still got oneX_x | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
On December 05 2012 01:13 sabas123 wrote: almost all the pre wc3 staff has been replaced right now. and those where the guys who realy made the price winnning games. Well, if you bother to check then this is not really true. You know Rob Pardo, the man who was lead designer of BW,WC3,TFT,WoW,BC,WOTLK is working at Blizzard as vice president of game design and many other guys from their RTS team. The team that was mostly replaced is Diablo team. | ||
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Ahelvin
France1866 Posts
When companies do this, they aim at maximizing their social image impact: so they are typically targeting communities where a small number of users going in the same direction can influence people. For instance, before a release, Blizzard may hire a few people to post on IGN forums to say "Hey, are you familiar with the latest state of HotS? It's totally awesome, trust me, I played a lot, and it's really cool !". Since the audience here is not necessarily in touch with the games, the people are more likely to be influenced by this and buy the game. My two cents. | ||
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gosublade
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On December 05 2012 02:06 Torte de Lini wrote: Shit, the jig is up ): They pay by account Posting so much on one acct is uneconomical, so I doubt it | ||
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Kasaraki
Denmark7115 Posts
On December 04 2012 20:43 Shady Sands wrote: 40 per month per forum account. So that guy in Seattle is making... 2k/month for spending all his time engaging in low-intensity flamewars and sockpuppetry Sounds like he's living the life! | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
but he gets to put down social media consultant on his resume, lol | ||
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
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TrippSC2
United States209 Posts
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scFoX
France454 Posts
On December 05 2012 01:01 Wildmoon wrote: You have faith in humanity when people call other people that have different opinion from them stupid or being hired to be stupid? You know the chance that there are people who are hired to trashtalk on Blizzard is around the same as opposite. So now you have to be aware about people who defend Blizzard and attack Blizzard. That's terrible if you ask me. I agree with this post. Worrying about this kind of thing is both destructive for the kind of site TL is and too meta for my taste. Not to mention it's not that far off from labeling any opinions which don't match your own as trolling. Another way to try and discredit the poster rather than the content. In any case, it clearly isn't effective in influencing the bandwagoning in SC2 general and r/starcraft. You are underestimating how set people can be in their opinions, and that goes for all sides in this matter. | ||
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matiK23
United States963 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16664 Posts
i was hoping the "Canada" in my description would keep me from detection. here is a full confession: my last 5 projects were 1) running around on various online forums talking about how cool Starcraft is so BLizzard can boost sales of their #3 franchise.. i actually get $0.90 from every unit sold. 2) working with the US military to bring down the World Trade Centers with cruise missiles and bombs hidden in the building's structure 3) setting up the murder of Princess DIana with resources given to me by the British Royal family 4) working with Stanley Kubrick to create fake footage for the 6 fake Apollo Moon landings 5) working for the US military and setting up the assassination of John F. Kennedy..i'm actually the guy who shot Oswald, not Jack Ruby as the evil mainstream media would have you believe with their fake film prison video | ||
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Sixen This guy is a blizz shill 99% Jokes aside, even on Reddit he literally only posts about how cool blizzard stuff is. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16664 Posts
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SgtCoDFish
United Kingdom1520 Posts
Based off of a chatlog with an unknown person, posted by a relatively unknown person, talking about a non-specific company that could be one of like 20-50. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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TaShadan
Germany1965 Posts
On December 05 2012 01:18 Wildmoon wrote: Well, if you bother to check then this is not really true. You know Rob Pardo, the man who was lead designer of BW,WC3,TFT,WoW,BC,WOTLK is working at Blizzard as vice president of game design and many other guys from their RTS team. The team that was mostly replaced is Diablo team. Rob Pardo is just management now, he is not making games anymore.+ Actually James Phinney and Patrick Wyatt were the real masterminds behind most of the games. but they left Blizzard and founded ArenaNet (GuildWars). Mike O'Brien and Jeff Strain left Blizzard for ArenaNet too. The number of important people still working for Blizzard is short and most of them are not designing/developing games anymore, they are just PR or manager guys. Most guys of the art team are still there. | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On December 05 2012 02:34 Torenhire wrote: I hope he has a 2nd job if he's only making 2k/month lol Eh, 2k a month - $24k / year - is a perfectly livable income for a single person. Not a huge income, but perfectly livable. I'm not really paranoid about this on TL. TL has much better moderation policies than nearly all other forums, and has a recognizable core community. There's much easier forums out there to target (reddit, anyone?), where the message could potentially reach more people *AND* be easier for a hired gun to slip under the radar. 5 stars anyway. Awareness of this type of thing isn't bad at all. | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
On December 05 2012 03:03 Glurkenspurk wrote: http://www.reddit.com/user/Sixen http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Sixen This guy is a blizz shill 99% Jokes aside, even on Reddit he literally only posts about how cool blizzard stuff is. I've known Sixen for a long time (10+ years); he was a Blizzard forum MVP back when the Blizzard forums were relevant. He's definitely a huge fanboy, but I don't believe he's actually on the payroll. For a real example we've had here on TL, you guys might want to read this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696¤tpage=1275#25487 | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
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Team .SCA
United States327 Posts
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schimmetje
Netherlands1104 Posts
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
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Ahelvin
France1866 Posts
On December 05 2012 03:46 EvilTeletubby wrote: I've known Sixen for a long time (10+ years); he was a Blizzard forum MVP back when the Blizzard forums were relevant. He's definitely a huge fanboy, but I don't believe he's actually on the payroll. For a real example we've had here on TL, you guys might want to read this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696¤tpage=1275#25487 Thanks for posting an actual instance of this kind of practice, so people can see what it's really like. Drop the tinfoil hat guys, I really doubt Blizzard would target TL.net to advertise their games. | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On December 05 2012 01:18 Wildmoon wrote: Well, if you bother to check then this is not really true. You know Rob Pardo, the man who was lead designer of BW,WC3,TFT,WoW,BC,WOTLK is working at Blizzard as vice president of game design and many other guys from their RTS team. The team that was mostly replaced is Diablo team. ow, i thought for all the old blizz games, thanks for letting me know. | ||
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
On December 05 2012 03:46 EvilTeletubby wrote: I've known Sixen for a long time (10+ years); he was a Blizzard forum MVP back when the Blizzard forums were relevant. He's definitely a huge fanboy, but I don't believe he's actually on the payroll. For a real example we've had here on TL, you guys might want to read this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696¤tpage=1275#25487 I don't see much of a difference if you compare the reddit posts to that shill. Always being able to quote CM posts from the forums.. It's just odd. | ||
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
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Game
3191 Posts
On December 04 2012 20:17 Shady Sands wrote: So I was chatting with one of my friends who does social media consulting. I'll let the chatlog speak for itself Now, as I read through the SC2 section, I notice the same people defending Blizzard again and again. Sigh. On December 04 2012 20:34 ajxPurpleRain wrote: Blizzard products are great! I love all them. I was thrilled to purchase Mists of Panderia, an action-panda adventure-themed game filled with excellence. Another example of their can't miss spirit will be the release of Heart of the Swarm, a top-notch thrillride strategy-player which will come at the low, low price of 40 USD. Right forum buddies? On December 04 2012 20:43 Shady Sands wrote: 40 per month per forum account. So that guy in Seattle is making... 2k/month for spending all his time engaging in low-intensity flamewars and sockpuppetry Clever plan, "Shady Sands". Have a single account for years to lay low with as your main account, create notoriety on TL with it, then expose your entire plot. You follow that by logging on another 23 post account to demonstrate how exactly you go about your devious plan, and then explain to us the simple details of salary, which I should mention was not in the original chat log. You say it vaguely, yet on another line, to put yourself far enough away from it that no one would suspect you as you further embed your forum abusing, Blizzard promoting ways into TL's impenetrable God like forum and database. Well played you scum villain. Also, lol @ Imbatoss and Blind-Rawr  | ||
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kukarachaa
United States284 Posts
On December 05 2012 03:06 SgtCoDFish wrote: I can see this becoming a witchhunt thing where people who HAET BLI$$ARD LOL accuse anyone with a non-negative view of Blizz of being paid shills while smugly linking to this blog. Based off of a chatlog with an unknown person, posted by a relatively unknown person, talking about a non-specific company that could be one of like 20-50. Easy, you turn it around on them and accuse them of being paid by gaming companies, that are trying to bring Blizzard down. | ||
NonY
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On December 05 2012 05:01 Liquid`NonY wrote: I don't get what people who don't think SC is amazing (and therefore Blizzard is also amazing) are doing here in the first place. I feel like this is not the type of forum that ought to be targeted by advertisers (or social media supporters, if that's what you want to call them). This is a forum for believers. Of course all the hate is evidence against that and it confuses me. I don't want TL.net to be a battlefield for deciding whether SC is good or not. The people who don't like SC should just quietly leave. Speech in the form of written messages is not the best kind of speech for improving video games anyway. Playing the game and demonstrating what you believe is the proper form of speech and Blizzard already pays close attention to that. Those who aren't able to express themselves through the game aren't qualified for the discussion. Writing their thoughts down on forums shouldn't be some kind of consolation prize that allows them to cling to relevancy. Unfortunately it is. Also, nice post. | ||
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Antylamon
United States1981 Posts
I do believe that HotS has the potential to change a lot of things, but it's unrealistic to think that it will magically solve everything. On December 05 2012 05:01 Liquid`NonY wrote: I don't get what people who don't think SC is amazing (and therefore Blizzard is also amazing) are doing here in the first place. I feel like this is not the type of forum that ought to be targeted by advertisers (or social media supporters, if that's what you want to call them). This is a forum for believers. Of course all the hate is evidence against that and it confuses me. I don't want TL.net to be a battlefield for deciding whether SC is good or not. The people who don't like SC should just quietly leave. Speech in the form of written messages is not the best kind of speech for improving video games anyway. Playing the game and demonstrating what you believe is the proper form of speech and Blizzard already pays close attention to that. Those who aren't able to express themselves through the game aren't qualified for the discussion. Writing their thoughts down on forums shouldn't be some kind of consolation prize that allows them to cling to relevancy. And people wonder why Blizz doesn't listen to individual people... We've already proven that we're a gigantic mess of ideas multiple times. | ||
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
On December 05 2012 05:01 Liquid`NonY wrote: I don't get what people who don't think SC is amazing (and therefore Blizzard is also amazing) are doing here in the first place. I feel like this is not the type of forum that ought to be targeted by advertisers (or social media supporters, if that's what you want to call them). This is a forum for believers. Of course all the hate is evidence against that and it confuses me. I don't want TL.net to be a battlefield for deciding whether SC is good or not. The people who don't like SC should just quietly leave. Speech in the form of written messages is not the best kind of speech for improving video games anyway. Playing the game and demonstrating what you believe is the proper form of speech and Blizzard already pays close attention to that. Those who aren't able to express themselves through the game aren't qualified for the discussion. Writing their thoughts down on forums shouldn't be some kind of consolation prize that allows them to cling to relevancy. Got here with broodwar and following the bw proscene and such. Can't really leave tl just cause i don't think blizzard or sc is amazing... TL is amazing and it's my home on the internet. And really, calling this a forum for believers and saying people who don't like sc should just leave is pretty offensive. | ||
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NonY
8748 Posts
On December 05 2012 05:14 nttea wrote: Got here with broodwar and following the bw proscene and such. Can't really leave tl just cause i don't think blizzard or sc is amazing... TL is amazing and it's my home on the internet. And really, calling this a forum for believers and saying people who don't like sc should just leave is pretty offensive. I don't mean to say that the folks who have settled down in General and Sports & Games and Blogs and now DotA, etc, should leave TL.net if they don't love SC2. If they disapprove of the direction SC has taken, then they just won't participate in anything SC-related and that's fine. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On December 05 2012 05:01 Liquid`NonY wrote: I don't get what people who don't think SC is amazing (and therefore Blizzard is also amazing) are doing here in the first place. I feel like this is not the type of forum that ought to be targeted by advertisers (or social media supporters, if that's what you want to call them). This is a forum for believers. Of course all the hate is evidence against that and it confuses me. I don't want TL.net to be a battlefield for deciding whether SC is good or not. The people who don't like SC should just quietly leave. Speech in the form of written messages is not the best kind of speech for improving video games anyway. Playing the game and demonstrating what you believe is the proper form of speech and Blizzard already pays close attention to that. Those who aren't able to express themselves through the game aren't qualified for the discussion. Writing their thoughts down on forums shouldn't be some kind of consolation prize that allows them to cling to relevancy. We can enjoy SC without thinking the current Blizzard is amazing. More than that, we can enjoy TL without thinking SC is amazing. In case you've forgotten, this site was founded by a group of Brood War geeks watching shitty 240p streams at odd hours of the night. It was founded to give a sense of community to people who enjoyed Brood War and enjoyed watching people play it really fucking well. Over time, it's evolved into a general place to hang out with thousands of forumers, a mini-Reddit, if you will. It wasn't founded by a company to be a form of free advertising for its product, nor was it founded to be a site that blindly worshipped said product when it changed into something that many people found mediocre. And yes, you're right, it wasn't founded to be a place that decided which games were good--but it does serve a purpose as a place where people who love this game can come to try and make it better. When people criticize SC2 or Blizzard, it doesn't mean they hate SC2 or hate Blizzard. We do it because we care, because Starcraft deserves better. There's no way to show that we want Starcraft 2 to be better by simply playing the game. If you can't discern the desire to improve the game from blind hatred, maybe the one who should leave is yourself. | ||
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Penev
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Whynaut
Canada367 Posts
Actually, hang on. I don't. Seriously the more I think about this thread the more annoyed I get so I should really stop. | ||
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WhiteSatin
United States308 Posts
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NonY
8748 Posts
On December 05 2012 05:35 Shady Sands wrote: We can enjoy SC without thinking the current Blizzard is amazing. More than that, we can enjoy TL without thinking SC is amazing. In case you've forgotten, this site was founded by a group of Brood War geeks watching shitty 240p streams at odd hours of the night. It was founded to give a sense of community to people who enjoyed Brood War and enjoyed watching people play it really fucking well. Over time, it's evolved into a general place to hang out with thousands of forumers, a mini-Reddit, if you will. It wasn't founded by a company to be a form of free advertising for its product, nor was it founded to be a site that blindly worshipped said product when it changed into something that many people found mediocre. And yes, you're right, it wasn't founded to be a place that decided which games were good--but it does serve a purpose as a place where people who love this game can come to try and make it better. When people criticize SC2 or Blizzard, it doesn't mean they hate SC2 or hate Blizzard. We do it because we care, because Starcraft deserves better. There's no way to show that we want Starcraft 2 to be better by simply playing the game. If you can't discern the desire to improve the game from blind hatred, maybe the one who should leave is yourself. I'm not talking about the people who are enjoying SC. I'm talking about the people who are unhappy with the state of WoL and like to express it all the time in SC2 General, SC2 Tourneys, and Blogs. I'm talking about the people who disapprove of the way Blizzard reacts to results of professional tournaments and results on their ladder despite the solid evidence that things are going well. I'm talking about the people who fabricate some kind of state of emergency and proclaim how badly everything is going and then blame Blizzard for it all. It's ridiculous how much counter-factual discussion proceeds just because enough people want it to. And now you continue it in your reply to me in another absurd direction. The site wasn't founded by a group of Brood War geeks watching shitty 240p streams at odd hours of the night. It quickly became the best source for non-Koreans following the Korean scene but that wasn't its original purpose. And I don't see how the original purpose is relevant to you or me or what's going on here. But you make stuff up and then make up a way to think about the stuff you made up and then act like it's important and has good intentions and I don't know how to make sense of so many layers of irrationality. | ||
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Moochlol
United States456 Posts
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
They love the games, the company and everything they do, conversely they hate anything that could rival what they love. I am sure some companies and politicians use services like these but the smart companies, they just cultivate a stock of their own. I should note that I am not saying TL is bad, it just proves how popular products from a company can be. @_@ | ||
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renkin
France249 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + The journalists asked for the rates as if they were clients. Out of 10 agencies, 3 agreed to make the comments. Cost for 1000 comments : 2000 to 2500 euros. Those kind of services were also provided by news agencies themselves. One of those indicated that the guy writing the fake comments is actually the same guy that is writing their regular officials press releases. The journalists were paid 720 euros for 455 comments. This was for the launch of a website that gather infos about restaurant, hotels etc. and wanted 10 000 comments before the launch to make the site more "alive". Next, an interview one of those writers, who was a ex-forum admin in a communication agency. At the time she wrote fake clients reviews in many forums ( including her own I guess, who's going to ban her anyway ? ) They had to update a excel file for each forum, listing the nicknames used, the comments and also the answers. Goal : 50 messages a day on several forums. Clients : famous video games brand and cometics. I don't think any site is protected from this. Also note that she said video game brands but didn't precised developer or editor. I could see EA doing this but not Dice. | ||
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