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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
December 04 2012 20:35 GMT
#101
On December 05 2012 05:01 Liquid`NonY wrote:
I don't get what people who don't think SC is amazing (and therefore Blizzard is also amazing) are doing here in the first place. I feel like this is not the type of forum that ought to be targeted by advertisers (or social media supporters, if that's what you want to call them). This is a forum for believers. Of course all the hate is evidence against that and it confuses me. I don't want TL.net to be a battlefield for deciding whether SC is good or not. The people who don't like SC should just quietly leave. Speech in the form of written messages is not the best kind of speech for improving video games anyway. Playing the game and demonstrating what you believe is the proper form of speech and Blizzard already pays close attention to that. Those who aren't able to express themselves through the game aren't qualified for the discussion. Writing their thoughts down on forums shouldn't be some kind of consolation prize that allows them to cling to relevancy.

We can enjoy SC without thinking the current Blizzard is amazing. More than that, we can enjoy TL without thinking SC is amazing. In case you've forgotten, this site was founded by a group of Brood War geeks watching shitty 240p streams at odd hours of the night. It was founded to give a sense of community to people who enjoyed Brood War and enjoyed watching people play it really fucking well. Over time, it's evolved into a general place to hang out with thousands of forumers, a mini-Reddit, if you will.

It wasn't founded by a company to be a form of free advertising for its product, nor was it founded to be a site that blindly worshipped said product when it changed into something that many people found mediocre. And yes, you're right, it wasn't founded to be a place that decided which games were good--but it does serve a purpose as a place where people who love this game can come to try and make it better. When people criticize SC2 or Blizzard, it doesn't mean they hate SC2 or hate Blizzard. We do it because we care, because Starcraft deserves better. There's no way to show that we want Starcraft 2 to be better by simply playing the game. If you can't discern the desire to improve the game from blind hatred, maybe the one who should leave is yourself.
Что?
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
December 04 2012 20:37 GMT
#102
Blizzard actually should hire people to do this to counter some of the senseless complaining. Would make some of these threads a bit easier to read..
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Whynaut
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada367 Posts
December 04 2012 20:50 GMT
#103
All these threads seem really weird to me because I actually still enjoy watching and especially playing this game. I like that this blog just flat out assumes this is an opinion nobody could ever reasonable hold.

Actually, hang on. I don't.

Seriously the more I think about this thread the more annoyed I get so I should really stop.
WhiteSatin
Profile Joined December 2012
United States308 Posts
December 04 2012 20:51 GMT
#104
What the OP has posted is true. There are companies who get paid to create account and have them post in popular forums such as reddit and TL to "defend" Blizzard. Of course there are legitimate dudes posting too but the fact that you may never know which one is which is what is fucked up. I hope people keep thinking with their head rather than being influenced by some other forum posts.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
December 04 2012 20:56 GMT
#105
On December 05 2012 05:35 Shady Sands wrote:
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On December 05 2012 05:01 Liquid`NonY wrote:
I don't get what people who don't think SC is amazing (and therefore Blizzard is also amazing) are doing here in the first place. I feel like this is not the type of forum that ought to be targeted by advertisers (or social media supporters, if that's what you want to call them). This is a forum for believers. Of course all the hate is evidence against that and it confuses me. I don't want TL.net to be a battlefield for deciding whether SC is good or not. The people who don't like SC should just quietly leave. Speech in the form of written messages is not the best kind of speech for improving video games anyway. Playing the game and demonstrating what you believe is the proper form of speech and Blizzard already pays close attention to that. Those who aren't able to express themselves through the game aren't qualified for the discussion. Writing their thoughts down on forums shouldn't be some kind of consolation prize that allows them to cling to relevancy.

We can enjoy SC without thinking the current Blizzard is amazing. More than that, we can enjoy TL without thinking SC is amazing. In case you've forgotten, this site was founded by a group of Brood War geeks watching shitty 240p streams at odd hours of the night. It was founded to give a sense of community to people who enjoyed Brood War and enjoyed watching people play it really fucking well. Over time, it's evolved into a general place to hang out with thousands of forumers, a mini-Reddit, if you will.

It wasn't founded by a company to be a form of free advertising for its product, nor was it founded to be a site that blindly worshipped said product when it changed into something that many people found mediocre. And yes, you're right, it wasn't founded to be a place that decided which games were good--but it does serve a purpose as a place where people who love this game can come to try and make it better. When people criticize SC2 or Blizzard, it doesn't mean they hate SC2 or hate Blizzard. We do it because we care, because Starcraft deserves better. There's no way to show that we want Starcraft 2 to be better by simply playing the game. If you can't discern the desire to improve the game from blind hatred, maybe the one who should leave is yourself.

I'm not talking about the people who are enjoying SC. I'm talking about the people who are unhappy with the state of WoL and like to express it all the time in SC2 General, SC2 Tourneys, and Blogs. I'm talking about the people who disapprove of the way Blizzard reacts to results of professional tournaments and results on their ladder despite the solid evidence that things are going well. I'm talking about the people who fabricate some kind of state of emergency and proclaim how badly everything is going and then blame Blizzard for it all. It's ridiculous how much counter-factual discussion proceeds just because enough people want it to.

And now you continue it in your reply to me in another absurd direction. The site wasn't founded by a group of Brood War geeks watching shitty 240p streams at odd hours of the night. It quickly became the best source for non-Koreans following the Korean scene but that wasn't its original purpose. And I don't see how the original purpose is relevant to you or me or what's going on here. But you make stuff up and then make up a way to think about the stuff you made up and then act like it's important and has good intentions and I don't know how to make sense of so many layers of irrationality.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Moochlol
Profile Joined August 2010
United States456 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 21:11:24
December 04 2012 21:08 GMT
#106
<Popcorn>
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Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 21:16:36
December 04 2012 21:14 GMT
#107
Blizzard, Valve, Riot, etc pretty much the majority of gaming companies should have no need for such things. They don't need to do it, the fans do it for them for free. The whole "my gaming console is better then yours" is nothing new and was promoted by the companies long ago with slogans like "genesis does what nintendon't" and the growth of communities and forums like TL only further help companies essentially have a faction of internet soldiers willing to toe the line.

They love the games, the company and everything they do, conversely they hate anything that could rival what they love. I am sure some companies and politicians use services like these but the smart companies, they just cultivate a stock of their own.

I should note that I am not saying TL is bad, it just proves how popular products from a company can be. @_@
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renkin
Profile Joined July 2010
France249 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 21:30:22
December 04 2012 21:24 GMT
#108
An interesting article I read some time ago about it. It's in french but here's a rough translation :

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http://www.rue89.com/rue89-eco/2012/10/27/faux-avis-comment-les-pros-dupent-les-internautes-236572.


The journalists asked for the rates as if they were clients. Out of 10 agencies, 3 agreed to make the comments.
Cost for 1000 comments : 2000 to 2500 euros.
Those kind of services were also provided by news agencies themselves.
One of those indicated that the guy writing the fake comments is actually the same guy that is writing their regular officials press releases.
The journalists were paid 720 euros for 455 comments. This was for the launch of a website that gather infos about restaurant, hotels etc. and wanted 10 000 comments before the launch to make the site more "alive".

Next, an interview one of those writers, who was a ex-forum admin in a communication agency.
At the time she wrote fake clients reviews in many forums ( including her own I guess, who's going to ban her anyway ? )
They had to update a excel file for each forum, listing the nicknames used, the comments and also the answers.
Goal : 50 messages a day on several forums.
Clients : famous video games brand and cometics.

I don't think any site is protected from this.
Also note that she said video game brands but didn't precised developer or editor.
I could see EA doing this but not Dice.
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