US Politics Mega-thread - Page 9976

On February 27 2018 09:47 Plansix wrote:
How to get weapon's grade plutonium into the hands of a terrorist group, by the Trump Administration. Like what are they doing over there?

On February 27 2018 09:51 Lmui wrote:


Kushner's resolving the issue of peace in the middle east.

If it's a radioactive wasteland, there's people fighting over the land, ergo peace.

“Crooked Hillary says we must call on Saudi Arabia and other countries to stop funding hate,” Trump posted to Facebook. “I am calling on her to immediately return the $25 million plus she got from them for the Clinton Foundation!”

“Saudi Arabia and many of the countries that gave vast amounts of money to the Clinton Foundation want women as slaves and to kill gays,” Trump wrote in a separate post. “Hillary must return all money from such countries!”

On February 27 2018 08:58 a_flayer wrote:

Yeah, definitely something to be concerned about. I'd say it deserves about the same media coverage as the notion that oil companies and others are doing the exact same thing.

On February 27 2018 10:08 NewSunshine wrote:
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/968289856278450176
This is how much our administration cares about the issue. The man responsible for suggesting policy to Teh Doneld can find nothing better to do than take a nap when it comes up. Apparently an outbreak of school shootings, and all the complexity that entails, is no big deal.

On February 27 2018 10:23 hunts wrote:


I would say not quite the same, as it is worse for a foreign unfriendly state to spread propaganda in your countries than simply for greedy companies to do so, but of course we have people here who pretend that russia did nothing wrong or that it's "no big deal." Or that "well we did worse to other countries so it's ok for another to do it to us" or other such fallacies.

On February 27 2018 10:34 GreenHorizons wrote:


Lol. I presume you're embarrassed about the whole not reading the data accompanying the propaganda you're so fond of.

As a random aside I've noticed after all the hooplah about labeling GMO's there are more and more labels that mention it and it turns out their sales didn't disappear as many feared.+ Show Spoiler +

I'm just waiting for Russia to say the US imperialism and corporate propaganda is fantastic and he wants to support it so Liberals will finally have a problem with it.

On February 27 2018 10:45 hunts wrote:


As I've told you, unless you are formally accusing NYT of being the center lefts official propaganda machine, you are simply wrong, and you are continuing to make the same factually wrong claims. And no, I'm not embarrassed for calling you out on pedaling the same incorrect bullshit. If you want to link to NYT using provably false data, and make a sound (the opposite of what you've done so far) argument as to why they knowingly pushed propaganda, go for it. Otherwise, repeating the same incorrect and dumb post more and more times really won't help you.

July 9: Support Hillary. Save American Muslims Washington, D.C.

On February 27 2018 10:39 Wulfey_LA wrote:
This hypocrisy angle is a terrible argument GH. I am a liberal, but I am also an American. I expect my government to try and protect its elections. That my government has in the past meddled in other elections does not affect my desire to see my government protect its own elections in the slightest. I get that on RT they continuously made "but the CIA did it too" arguments to justify Russian moves during the cold war (EDIT: and right now), but that still doesn't make the the wrong into a right.

EDIT: what is your argument here, besides the bogus tuquoque fallacy? That the Russian information warfare program also includes anti-GMO stuff? Yes. If you watch Russian TV or follow Russian finances media channels, everything is slanted towards the interest of the state. So what? You keep spouting their lines week after week and pretend like you don't buy their every bs hypocrisy argument. I thought everyone understood that the Russian media campaign has multiple levels. Go check out what they did to lay the groundwork for the Ukraine war.

EDIT2: here, read what your favorite sites pushed to make the war happen.
http://theconversation.com/how-putin-used-propaganda-to-deftly-turn-russians-against-ukrainians-81376

On February 27 2018 11:21 Wulfey_LA wrote:
No. I am explaining why you (GH) spouting their lines is bad. Their propaganda leads to terrible things. See, the Ukranian War.

EDIT: I think I get your argument.

Russian info agents also bought a few Hillary ads so that useful idiots in the West could point to that in some kind of goofball tuquoque argument. Therefore libs are just as bad as Putin and Russia was actually helping Hillary not Trump. Nevermind that Trump staffers are pleading out in the Mueller probe and Kushner, Manafort, and Don JR put Russian state agents handing folders of dirt on Hillary right in the middle of Trump Tower.
lol no

On February 27 2018 11:24 GreenHorizons wrote:


You would first have to show me spouting their lines. I agree propaganda leads to terrible things, like wars. Especially when the "anti-war" liberals are completely blind to the propaganda they are repeating and spreading.

The Russians in the indictment acted as an organization, and employees who ran the accounts were directed to create “political intensity through supporting radical groups” and to criticize Hillary Clinton, but not Donald J. Trump or Bernie Sanders.

On February 27 2018 11:32 Wulfey_LA wrote:


Every other post you make is BUT THE WEST IS JUST AS BAD. That has been the line for decades out of Russia, event back to the Soviet days.

On February 27 2018 11:35 hunts wrote:
From the article GH linked that never mentiones bernie according to GH.

It doesn't even make a claim about supporting Bernie but merely only critiquing Hillary and promoting pro and anti Trump rallies.

On February 27 2018 11:35 GreenHorizons wrote:


I'd say the West is better in many ways, comparable in many and worse in plenty. That's not some pre-Putin Russian propaganda, that's the power of observation. But if my acknowledgment that the west does really fucked up shit around the world is what is your best example of me "spouting their lines' you're more far lost than I would have guessed.

The batch of more than 3,000 Russian-bought ads that Facebook is preparing to turn over to Congress shows a deep understanding of social divides in American society, with some ads promoting African American rights groups, including Black Lives Matter, and others suggesting that these same groups pose a rising political threat, say people familiar with the covert influence campaign.

The Russian campaign — taking advantage of Facebook’s ability to send contrary messages to different groups of users based on their political and demographic characteristics — also sought to sow discord among religious groups. Other ads highlighted support for Democrat Hillary Clinton among Muslim women.

These targeted messages, along with others that have surfaced in recent days, highlight the sophistication of an influence campaign slickly crafted to mimic and infiltrate U.S. political discourse while also seeking to heighten tensions between groups already wary of one another.

On February 27 2018 11:35 GreenHorizons wrote:


I'd say the West is better in many ways, comparable in many and worse in plenty. That's not some pre-Putin Russian propaganda, that's the power of observation. But if my acknowledgment that the west does really fucked up shit around the world is what is your best example of me "spouting their lines' you're more far lost than I would have guessed.

I think you've pretty thoroughly displayed that reading comprehension isn't a strong area of yours.


Just sit down on this before you embarrass yourself and your side of this any further.

On February 27 2018 11:38 Wulfey_LA wrote:


So I went back to the NYT article. You really think this helps your argument?

July 9: Support Hillary. Save American Muslims Washington, D.C.

Do you not get how the Trump campaign flipped key white voters in the midwest suburbs? That is not helping. That is a part of a broader effort to paint Hillary as a Muslim lover. EDIT: and yes, you trying to spin this as some kind of help for Hillary is a key 'spouting their lines' moment.

On February 27 2018 11:40 hunts wrote:


So you're claiming "criticize everyone that isn't bernie or trump" is not the same as "support bernie and trump? Are you kidding me, or are you just playing dumb right now? Also you keep talking about "liberal propaganda" yet you have not shown a single valid example. Come on dude, even you can't possibly think you're being serious at this point, comrade.

On February 27 2018 11:32 Wulfey_LA wrote:


Every other post you make is BUT THE WEST IS JUST AS BAD. That has been the line for decades out of Russia, event back to the Soviet days.