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mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4945 Posts
February 27 2018 00:54 GMT
#199501
On February 27 2018 09:47 Plansix wrote:
How to get weapon's grade plutonium into the hands of a terrorist group, by the Trump Administration. Like what are they doing over there?


I'm waiting for the "but Obama and Clinton did things that were just as bad" arguments.
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Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
February 27 2018 00:54 GMT
#199502
On February 27 2018 09:51 Lmui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2018 09:47 Plansix wrote:
How to get weapon's grade plutonium into the hands of a terrorist group, by the Trump Administration. Like what are they doing over there?


Kushner's resolving the issue of peace in the middle east.

If it's a radioactive wasteland, there's people fighting over the land, ergo peace.


Good thing future President Trump is going to stop President Hillary from giving the Saudis nukes.


“Crooked Hillary says we must call on Saudi Arabia and other countries to stop funding hate,” Trump posted to Facebook. “I am calling on her to immediately return the $25 million plus she got from them for the Clinton Foundation!”

“Saudi Arabia and many of the countries that gave vast amounts of money to the Clinton Foundation want women as slaves and to kill gays,” Trump wrote in a separate post. “Hillary must return all money from such countries!”


https://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/trump-clinton-foundation-224287
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
February 27 2018 01:08 GMT
#199503

This is how much our administration cares about the issue. The man responsible for suggesting policy to Teh Doneld can find nothing better to do than take a nap when it comes up. Apparently an outbreak of school shootings, and all the complexity that entails, is no big deal.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-27 01:24:43
February 27 2018 01:23 GMT
#199504
On February 27 2018 08:58 a_flayer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2018 00:11 hunts wrote:
It's ok guys we shouldn't worry about russia and should instead worry about our own propaganda sources like NYT right?

The former communist country is trying to influence American's attitudes about genetically engineered crops and biotechnology, according to new Iowa State University research.

Russia is funding articles shared online that question the safety of GMOs in an effort hurt U.S. agriculture interests and bolster its position as the "ecologically clean alternative" to genetically engineered food, said Shawn Dorius, an ISU assistant sociology professor.

Turning the U.S. or world against GMOs "would have a clear negative effect on an industry in the U.S. and could advantage Russia," Dorius said.

Their research says Russia seeks to expand its economy's agricultural sector, which is now its second-largest industry after oil and gas.

"That's a primary interest, but there are multiple interests. One of which is to stir up division in the U.S.," Lawrence-Dill said.


https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/money/agriculture/2018/02/25/russia-seeks-influence-usa-opinion-gmos-iowa-state-research/308338002/

Yeah, definitely something to be concerned about. I'd say it deserves about the same media coverage as the notion that oil companies and others are doing the exact same thing.


I would say not quite the same, as it is worse for a foreign unfriendly state to spread propaganda in your countries than simply for greedy companies to do so, but of course we have people here who pretend that russia did nothing wrong or that it's "no big deal." Or that "well we did worse to other countries so it's ok for another to do it to us" or other such fallacies.
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7684 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-27 01:25:07
February 27 2018 01:24 GMT
#199505
On February 27 2018 10:08 NewSunshine wrote:
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/968289856278450176
This is how much our administration cares about the issue. The man responsible for suggesting policy to Teh Doneld can find nothing better to do than take a nap when it comes up. Apparently an outbreak of school shootings, and all the complexity that entails, is no big deal.


This is silly. He's probably staying up all night thinking about the topic! But really, this is silly.
It is terrible to die of thirst at sea. Must you so salt your truth that it will no longer even slake thirst?
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24504 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-27 02:11:11
February 27 2018 01:34 GMT
#199506
On February 27 2018 10:23 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2018 08:58 a_flayer wrote:
On February 27 2018 00:11 hunts wrote:
It's ok guys we shouldn't worry about russia and should instead worry about our own propaganda sources like NYT right?

The former communist country is trying to influence American's attitudes about genetically engineered crops and biotechnology, according to new Iowa State University research.

Russia is funding articles shared online that question the safety of GMOs in an effort hurt U.S. agriculture interests and bolster its position as the "ecologically clean alternative" to genetically engineered food, said Shawn Dorius, an ISU assistant sociology professor.

Turning the U.S. or world against GMOs "would have a clear negative effect on an industry in the U.S. and could advantage Russia," Dorius said.

Their research says Russia seeks to expand its economy's agricultural sector, which is now its second-largest industry after oil and gas.

"That's a primary interest, but there are multiple interests. One of which is to stir up division in the U.S.," Lawrence-Dill said.


https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/money/agriculture/2018/02/25/russia-seeks-influence-usa-opinion-gmos-iowa-state-research/308338002/

Yeah, definitely something to be concerned about. I'd say it deserves about the same media coverage as the notion that oil companies and others are doing the exact same thing.


I would say not quite the same, as it is worse for a foreign unfriendly state to spread propaganda in your countries than simply for greedy companies to do so, but of course we have people here who pretend that russia did nothing wrong or that it's "no big deal." Or that "well we did worse to other countries so it's ok for another to do it to us" or other such fallacies.


Lol. I presume you're embarrassed about the whole not reading the data accompanying the propaganda you're so fond of.

As a random aside I've noticed after all the hooplah about labeling GMO's there are more and more labels that mention it and it turns out their sales didn't disappear as many feared.+ Show Spoiler +
Go check your fridge/cupboard and I bet you find something labeled as having GMO's that you didn't know changed their label


I'm just waiting for Russia to say the US imperialism and corporate propaganda is fantastic and he wants to support it so Liberals will finally have a problem with it.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-27 01:48:39
February 27 2018 01:39 GMT
#199507
This hypocrisy angle is a terrible argument GH. I am a liberal, but I am also an American. I expect my government to try and protect its elections. That my government has in the past meddled in other elections does not affect my desire to see my government protect its own elections in the slightest. I get that on RT they continuously made "but the CIA did it too" arguments to justify Russian moves during the cold war (EDIT: and right now), but that still doesn't make the the wrong into a right.

EDIT: what is your argument here, besides the bogus tuquoque fallacy? That the Russian information warfare program also includes anti-GMO stuff? Yes. If you watch Russian TV or follow Russian finances media channels, everything is slanted towards the interest of the state. So what? You keep spouting their lines week after week and pretend like you don't buy their every bs hypocrisy argument. I thought everyone understood that the Russian media campaign has multiple levels. Go check out what they did to lay the groundwork for the Ukraine war.

EDIT2: here, read what your favorite sites pushed to make the war happen.
http://theconversation.com/how-putin-used-propaganda-to-deftly-turn-russians-against-ukrainians-81376
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
February 27 2018 01:45 GMT
#199508
On February 27 2018 10:34 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2018 10:23 hunts wrote:
On February 27 2018 08:58 a_flayer wrote:
On February 27 2018 00:11 hunts wrote:
It's ok guys we shouldn't worry about russia and should instead worry about our own propaganda sources like NYT right?

The former communist country is trying to influence American's attitudes about genetically engineered crops and biotechnology, according to new Iowa State University research.

Russia is funding articles shared online that question the safety of GMOs in an effort hurt U.S. agriculture interests and bolster its position as the "ecologically clean alternative" to genetically engineered food, said Shawn Dorius, an ISU assistant sociology professor.

Turning the U.S. or world against GMOs "would have a clear negative effect on an industry in the U.S. and could advantage Russia," Dorius said.

Their research says Russia seeks to expand its economy's agricultural sector, which is now its second-largest industry after oil and gas.

"That's a primary interest, but there are multiple interests. One of which is to stir up division in the U.S.," Lawrence-Dill said.


https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/money/agriculture/2018/02/25/russia-seeks-influence-usa-opinion-gmos-iowa-state-research/308338002/

Yeah, definitely something to be concerned about. I'd say it deserves about the same media coverage as the notion that oil companies and others are doing the exact same thing.


I would say not quite the same, as it is worse for a foreign unfriendly state to spread propaganda in your countries than simply for greedy companies to do so, but of course we have people here who pretend that russia did nothing wrong or that it's "no big deal." Or that "well we did worse to other countries so it's ok for another to do it to us" or other such fallacies.


Lol. I presume you're embarrassed about the whole not reading the data accompanying the propaganda you're so fond of.

As a random aside I've noticed after all the hooplah about labeling GMO's there are more and more labels that mention it and it turns out their sales didn't disappear as many feared.+ Show Spoiler +
Go check your fridge/cupboard and I bet you find something labeled as having GMO's that you didn't know changed their label


I'm just waiting for Russia to say the US imperialism and corporate propaganda is fantastic and he wants to support it so Liberals will finally have a problem with it.


As I've told you, unless you are formally accusing NYT of being the center lefts official propaganda machine, you are simply wrong, and you are continuing to make the same factually wrong claims. And no, I'm not embarrassed for calling you out on pedaling the same incorrect bullshit. If you want to link to NYT using provably false data, and make a sound (the opposite of what you've done so far) argument as to why they knowingly pushed propaganda, go for it. Otherwise, repeating the same incorrect and dumb post more and more times really won't help you.
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24504 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-27 02:15:50
February 27 2018 02:09 GMT
#199509
On February 27 2018 10:45 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2018 10:34 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 27 2018 10:23 hunts wrote:
On February 27 2018 08:58 a_flayer wrote:
On February 27 2018 00:11 hunts wrote:
It's ok guys we shouldn't worry about russia and should instead worry about our own propaganda sources like NYT right?

The former communist country is trying to influence American's attitudes about genetically engineered crops and biotechnology, according to new Iowa State University research.

Russia is funding articles shared online that question the safety of GMOs in an effort hurt U.S. agriculture interests and bolster its position as the "ecologically clean alternative" to genetically engineered food, said Shawn Dorius, an ISU assistant sociology professor.

Turning the U.S. or world against GMOs "would have a clear negative effect on an industry in the U.S. and could advantage Russia," Dorius said.

Their research says Russia seeks to expand its economy's agricultural sector, which is now its second-largest industry after oil and gas.

"That's a primary interest, but there are multiple interests. One of which is to stir up division in the U.S.," Lawrence-Dill said.


https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/money/agriculture/2018/02/25/russia-seeks-influence-usa-opinion-gmos-iowa-state-research/308338002/

Yeah, definitely something to be concerned about. I'd say it deserves about the same media coverage as the notion that oil companies and others are doing the exact same thing.


I would say not quite the same, as it is worse for a foreign unfriendly state to spread propaganda in your countries than simply for greedy companies to do so, but of course we have people here who pretend that russia did nothing wrong or that it's "no big deal." Or that "well we did worse to other countries so it's ok for another to do it to us" or other such fallacies.


Lol. I presume you're embarrassed about the whole not reading the data accompanying the propaganda you're so fond of.

As a random aside I've noticed after all the hooplah about labeling GMO's there are more and more labels that mention it and it turns out their sales didn't disappear as many feared.+ Show Spoiler +
Go check your fridge/cupboard and I bet you find something labeled as having GMO's that you didn't know changed their label


I'm just waiting for Russia to say the US imperialism and corporate propaganda is fantastic and he wants to support it so Liberals will finally have a problem with it.


As I've told you, unless you are formally accusing NYT of being the center lefts official propaganda machine, you are simply wrong, and you are continuing to make the same factually wrong claims. And no, I'm not embarrassed for calling you out on pedaling the same incorrect bullshit. If you want to link to NYT using provably false data, and make a sound (the opposite of what you've done so far) argument as to why they knowingly pushed propaganda, go for it. Otherwise, repeating the same incorrect and dumb post more and more times really won't help you.


Well the two pieces of propaganda quoted and cited by liberals here weren't from the NYT. The propaganda you think doesn't include the fact that Joy Reid was boosted by the Kremlin more than Jill Stein has the data right in it so you can check if it's true or your trusting the propaganda is an error.

But you wont check the data yourself because you know it undermines the propaganda you're trying to spread. It's giving me second hand embarrassment now. Some responsible liberal needs to check you and tell you that refusing to even read the data of your own propaganda is not a wise choice.

As for the NYT you don't have to ONLY publish propaganda in order for you to publish propaganda. So yeah, if they repeated the claims made in The Hill or the NBC News propaganda they also published propaganda intended to appeal to liberals.

The NYT article I'm looking at notably doesn't make the claims those other propaganda stories did. It doesn't even make a claim about supporting Bernie but merely only critiquing Hillary and promoting pro and anti Trump rallies. Oh and this one:

July 9: Support Hillary. Save American Muslims Washington, D.C.


Turns out Hillary's supporters desire to help Hillary and save Muslims was just a Russian plot all along. poor liberals.

So if the NYT is where you're getting the propaganda that people like myself were obviously manipulated by Russian propaganda I'm going to need you to show it to me.

On February 27 2018 10:39 Wulfey_LA wrote:
This hypocrisy angle is a terrible argument GH. I am a liberal, but I am also an American. I expect my government to try and protect its elections. That my government has in the past meddled in other elections does not affect my desire to see my government protect its own elections in the slightest. I get that on RT they continuously made "but the CIA did it too" arguments to justify Russian moves during the cold war (EDIT: and right now), but that still doesn't make the the wrong into a right.

EDIT: what is your argument here, besides the bogus tuquoque fallacy? That the Russian information warfare program also includes anti-GMO stuff? Yes. If you watch Russian TV or follow Russian finances media channels, everything is slanted towards the interest of the state. So what? You keep spouting their lines week after week and pretend like you don't buy their every bs hypocrisy argument. I thought everyone understood that the Russian media campaign has multiple levels. Go check out what they did to lay the groundwork for the Ukraine war.

EDIT2: here, read what your favorite sites pushed to make the war happen.
http://theconversation.com/how-putin-used-propaganda-to-deftly-turn-russians-against-ukrainians-81376


You say "that doesn't make the wrong into a right" but then very much try to use Russia's wrong to justify the US's

I don't spout their lines every week, but I am unjustly accused of doing so, then I prove I wasn't and my accuser pretends like they are still right (see: Hunts) pretty regularly. I guess I'll move your name back to the top of the list of most recent.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-27 02:28:28
February 27 2018 02:21 GMT
#199510
No. I am explaining why you (GH) spouting their lines is bad. Their propaganda leads to terrible things. See, the Ukranian War.

EDIT: I think I get your argument.

Russian info agents also bought a few Hillary ads so that useful idiots in the West could point to that in some kind of goofball tuquoque argument. Therefore libs are just as bad as Putin and Russia was actually helping Hillary not Trump. Nevermind that Trump staffers are pleading out in the Mueller probe and Kushner, Manafort, and Don JR put Russian state agents handing folders of dirt on Hillary right in the middle of Trump Tower.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24504 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-27 02:31:28
February 27 2018 02:24 GMT
#199511
On February 27 2018 11:21 Wulfey_LA wrote:
No. I am explaining why you (GH) spouting their lines is bad. Their propaganda leads to terrible things. See, the Ukranian War.


You would first have to show me spouting their lines. I agree propaganda leads to terrible things, like wars. Especially when the "anti-war" liberals are completely blind to the propaganda they are repeating and spreading.

EDIT: I think I get your argument.

Russian info agents also bought a few Hillary ads so that useful idiots in the West could point to that in some kind of goofball tuquoque argument. Therefore libs are just as bad as Putin and Russia was actually helping Hillary not Trump. Nevermind that Trump staffers are pleading out in the Mueller probe and Kushner, Manafort, and Don JR put Russian state agents handing folders of dirt on Hillary right in the middle of Trump Tower.
lol no


I was making fun of the fact that the NYT article had more pro-Hillary Russian propaganda in it than Pro-Bernie.

But thanks for proving my previous point.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
February 27 2018 02:32 GMT
#199512
On February 27 2018 11:24 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2018 11:21 Wulfey_LA wrote:
No. I am explaining why you (GH) spouting their lines is bad. Their propaganda leads to terrible things. See, the Ukranian War.


You would first have to show me spouting their lines. I agree propaganda leads to terrible things, like wars. Especially when the "anti-war" liberals are completely blind to the propaganda they are repeating and spreading.


Every other post you make is BUT THE WEST IS JUST AS BAD. That has been the line for decades out of Russia, event back to the Soviet days.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 27 2018 02:34 GMT
#199513
Whataboutism is a hell of a drug. It also kills any discussion.
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hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
February 27 2018 02:35 GMT
#199514
From the article GH linked that never mentiones bernie according to GH.

The Russians in the indictment acted as an organization, and employees who ran the accounts were directed to create “political intensity through supporting radical groups” and to criticize Hillary Clinton, but not Donald J. Trump or Bernie Sanders.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24504 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-27 02:38:45
February 27 2018 02:35 GMT
#199515
On February 27 2018 11:32 Wulfey_LA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2018 11:24 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 27 2018 11:21 Wulfey_LA wrote:
No. I am explaining why you (GH) spouting their lines is bad. Their propaganda leads to terrible things. See, the Ukranian War.


You would first have to show me spouting their lines. I agree propaganda leads to terrible things, like wars. Especially when the "anti-war" liberals are completely blind to the propaganda they are repeating and spreading.


Every other post you make is BUT THE WEST IS JUST AS BAD. That has been the line for decades out of Russia, event back to the Soviet days.


I'd say the West is better in many ways, comparable in many and worse in plenty. That's not some pre-Putin Russian propaganda, that's the power of observation. But if my acknowledgment that the west does really fucked up shit around the world is what is your best example of me "spouting their lines' you're more far lost than I would have guessed.
On February 27 2018 11:35 hunts wrote:
From the article GH linked that never mentiones bernie according to GH.

Show nested quote +
The Russians in the indictment acted as an organization, and employees who ran the accounts were directed to create “political intensity through supporting radical groups” and to criticize Hillary Clinton, but not Donald J. Trump or Bernie Sanders.


I think you've pretty thoroughly displayed that reading comprehension isn't a strong area of yours.
It doesn't even make a claim about supporting Bernie but merely only critiquing Hillary and promoting pro and anti Trump rallies.


Just sit down on this before you embarrass yourself and your side of this any further.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-27 02:41:33
February 27 2018 02:38 GMT
#199516
On February 27 2018 11:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2018 11:32 Wulfey_LA wrote:
On February 27 2018 11:24 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 27 2018 11:21 Wulfey_LA wrote:
No. I am explaining why you (GH) spouting their lines is bad. Their propaganda leads to terrible things. See, the Ukranian War.


You would first have to show me spouting their lines. I agree propaganda leads to terrible things, like wars. Especially when the "anti-war" liberals are completely blind to the propaganda they are repeating and spreading.


Every other post you make is BUT THE WEST IS JUST AS BAD. That has been the line for decades out of Russia, event back to the Soviet days.


I'd say the West is better in many ways, comparable in many and worse in plenty. That's not some pre-Putin Russian propaganda, that's the power of observation. But if my acknowledgment that the west does really fucked up shit around the world is what is your best example of me "spouting their lines' you're more far lost than I would have guessed.


So I went back to the NYT article. You really think this helps your argument?

July 9: Support Hillary. Save American Muslims Washington, D.C.

Do you not get how the Trump campaign flipped key white voters in the midwest suburbs? That is not helping. That is a part of a broader effort to paint Hillary as a Muslim lover. EDIT: and yes, you trying to spin this as some kind of help for Hillary is a key 'spouting their lines' moment.

EDIT: from another source.


The batch of more than 3,000 Russian-bought ads that Facebook is preparing to turn over to Congress shows a deep understanding of social divides in American society, with some ads promoting African American rights groups, including Black Lives Matter, and others suggesting that these same groups pose a rising political threat, say people familiar with the covert influence campaign.

The Russian campaign — taking advantage of Facebook’s ability to send contrary messages to different groups of users based on their political and demographic characteristics — also sought to sow discord among religious groups. Other ads highlighted support for Democrat Hillary Clinton among Muslim women.

These targeted messages, along with others that have surfaced in recent days, highlight the sophistication of an influence campaign slickly crafted to mimic and infiltrate U.S. political discourse while also seeking to heighten tensions between groups already wary of one another.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/russian-operatives-used-facebook-ads-to-exploit-divisions-over-black-political-activism-and-muslims/2017/09/25/4a011242-a21b-11e7-ade1-76d061d56efa_story.html?utm_term=.bc4bbae3a0f7

You trying to pretend that is support for Hillary Clinton is 'spouting their lines' on the nose.
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
February 27 2018 02:40 GMT
#199517
On February 27 2018 11:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2018 11:32 Wulfey_LA wrote:
On February 27 2018 11:24 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 27 2018 11:21 Wulfey_LA wrote:
No. I am explaining why you (GH) spouting their lines is bad. Their propaganda leads to terrible things. See, the Ukranian War.


You would first have to show me spouting their lines. I agree propaganda leads to terrible things, like wars. Especially when the "anti-war" liberals are completely blind to the propaganda they are repeating and spreading.


Every other post you make is BUT THE WEST IS JUST AS BAD. That has been the line for decades out of Russia, event back to the Soviet days.


I'd say the West is better in many ways, comparable in many and worse in plenty. That's not some pre-Putin Russian propaganda, that's the power of observation. But if my acknowledgment that the west does really fucked up shit around the world is what is your best example of me "spouting their lines' you're more far lost than I would have guessed.
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On February 27 2018 11:35 hunts wrote:
From the article GH linked that never mentiones bernie according to GH.

The Russians in the indictment acted as an organization, and employees who ran the accounts were directed to create “political intensity through supporting radical groups” and to criticize Hillary Clinton, but not Donald J. Trump or Bernie Sanders.


I think you've pretty thoroughly displayed that reading comprehension isn't a strong area of yours.
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It doesn't even make a claim about supporting Bernie but merely only critiquing Hillary and promoting pro and anti Trump rallies.


Just sit down on this before you embarrass yourself and your side of this any further.


So you're claiming "criticize everyone that isn't bernie or trump" is not the same as "support bernie and trump? Are you kidding me, or are you just playing dumb right now? Also you keep talking about "liberal propaganda" yet you have not shown a single valid example. Come on dude, even you can't possibly think you're being serious at this point, comrade.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24504 Posts
February 27 2018 02:41 GMT
#199518
On February 27 2018 11:38 Wulfey_LA wrote:
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On February 27 2018 11:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 27 2018 11:32 Wulfey_LA wrote:
On February 27 2018 11:24 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 27 2018 11:21 Wulfey_LA wrote:
No. I am explaining why you (GH) spouting their lines is bad. Their propaganda leads to terrible things. See, the Ukranian War.


You would first have to show me spouting their lines. I agree propaganda leads to terrible things, like wars. Especially when the "anti-war" liberals are completely blind to the propaganda they are repeating and spreading.


Every other post you make is BUT THE WEST IS JUST AS BAD. That has been the line for decades out of Russia, event back to the Soviet days.


I'd say the West is better in many ways, comparable in many and worse in plenty. That's not some pre-Putin Russian propaganda, that's the power of observation. But if my acknowledgment that the west does really fucked up shit around the world is what is your best example of me "spouting their lines' you're more far lost than I would have guessed.


So I went back to the NYT article. You really think this helps your argument?

July 9: Support Hillary. Save American Muslims Washington, D.C.

Do you not get how the Trump campaign flipped key white voters in the midwest suburbs? That is not helping. That is a part of a broader effort to paint Hillary as a Muslim lover. EDIT: and yes, you trying to spin this as some kind of help for Hillary is a key 'spouting their lines' moment.


This is a mess. I already pointed out I added that because of the lolz about how there's no rally for Bernie or citations of any support for Bernie in the article at all.

The point being if hunts got his delusion about the propaganda's influence on myself and other Bernie supporters from the NYT he's going to have to show me where they are saying that, because the article I read didn't support his claim at all.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24504 Posts
February 27 2018 02:43 GMT
#199519
On February 27 2018 11:40 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2018 11:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 27 2018 11:32 Wulfey_LA wrote:
On February 27 2018 11:24 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 27 2018 11:21 Wulfey_LA wrote:
No. I am explaining why you (GH) spouting their lines is bad. Their propaganda leads to terrible things. See, the Ukranian War.


You would first have to show me spouting their lines. I agree propaganda leads to terrible things, like wars. Especially when the "anti-war" liberals are completely blind to the propaganda they are repeating and spreading.


Every other post you make is BUT THE WEST IS JUST AS BAD. That has been the line for decades out of Russia, event back to the Soviet days.


I'd say the West is better in many ways, comparable in many and worse in plenty. That's not some pre-Putin Russian propaganda, that's the power of observation. But if my acknowledgment that the west does really fucked up shit around the world is what is your best example of me "spouting their lines' you're more far lost than I would have guessed.
On February 27 2018 11:35 hunts wrote:
From the article GH linked that never mentiones bernie according to GH.

The Russians in the indictment acted as an organization, and employees who ran the accounts were directed to create “political intensity through supporting radical groups” and to criticize Hillary Clinton, but not Donald J. Trump or Bernie Sanders.


I think you've pretty thoroughly displayed that reading comprehension isn't a strong area of yours.
It doesn't even make a claim about supporting Bernie but merely only critiquing Hillary and promoting pro and anti Trump rallies.


Just sit down on this before you embarrass yourself and your side of this any further.


So you're claiming "criticize everyone that isn't bernie or trump" is not the same as "support bernie and trump? Are you kidding me, or are you just playing dumb right now? Also you keep talking about "liberal propaganda" yet you have not shown a single valid example. Come on dude, even you can't possibly think you're being serious at this point, comrade.


Yeah, I'm saying criticizing Hillary isn't the same thing as manipulating people into supporting Bernie. I've given two very specific examples of propaganda at least 1 of which NO ONE contends isn't propaganda that was quoted and cited here as evidence of Russia's influence. You are the one with absolutely no evidence of your claim and a remarkable determination to even try to verify your own propaganda with the data they presented themselves.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
February 27 2018 02:45 GMT
#199520
On February 27 2018 11:32 Wulfey_LA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2018 11:24 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 27 2018 11:21 Wulfey_LA wrote:
No. I am explaining why you (GH) spouting their lines is bad. Their propaganda leads to terrible things. See, the Ukranian War.


You would first have to show me spouting their lines. I agree propaganda leads to terrible things, like wars. Especially when the "anti-war" liberals are completely blind to the propaganda they are repeating and spreading.


Every other post you make is BUT THE WEST IS JUST AS BAD. That has been the line for decades out of Russia, event back to the Soviet days.

It's definitely a little weird. Whataboutism is really toxic for discussions and it isn't a coincidence...
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