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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23246 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-27 03:29:02
February 27 2018 03:26 GMT
#199541
On February 27 2018 12:25 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2018 12:18 Nixer wrote:
Take it easy guys. Just drop the subject if you're not getting anywhere.

That is the goal of whataboutism.


And the goal of calling critique of Democrats/the US from the left Russian propaganda/whataboutism.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 27 2018 03:29 GMT
#199542
On February 27 2018 12:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2018 12:25 Plansix wrote:
On February 27 2018 12:18 Nixer wrote:
Take it easy guys. Just drop the subject if you're not getting anywhere.

That is the goal of whataboutism.


And the goal of calling critique of Democrats from the left Russian propaganda.

And if you repeat the same thing over and over again every time you see the topic arise, you will accomplish your goal of making sure no one is able to discuss Russian attempts to interfere with the election while you are around. Like right now.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Nixer
Profile Joined July 2011
2774 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-27 03:34:08
February 27 2018 03:33 GMT
#199543
You guys are hopeless. Don't engage with each other if it's so troublesome.

On February 27 2018 12:25 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2018 12:18 Nixer wrote:
Take it easy guys. Just drop the subject if you're not getting anywhere.

That is the goal of whataboutism.

I specifically meant dropping the subject of your apology, or lack of it, whatever it may be.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15690 Posts
February 27 2018 03:33 GMT
#199544
On February 27 2018 12:29 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2018 12:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 27 2018 12:25 Plansix wrote:
On February 27 2018 12:18 Nixer wrote:
Take it easy guys. Just drop the subject if you're not getting anywhere.

That is the goal of whataboutism.


And the goal of calling critique of Democrats from the left Russian propaganda.

And if you repeat the same thing over and over again every time you see the topic arise, you will accomplish your goal of making sure no one is able to discuss Russian attempts to interfere with the election while you are around. Like right now.

It is only an issue because people reply. If people stopped replying, the issue would immediately be fixed. We can keep discussing these topics. It's just that people can't resist replying to gh because gh always tries to throw in bits of condescension to make sure people reply. Stop worrying what he thinks of you and just ignore him.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23246 Posts
February 27 2018 03:39 GMT
#199545
On February 27 2018 12:29 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2018 12:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 27 2018 12:25 Plansix wrote:
On February 27 2018 12:18 Nixer wrote:
Take it easy guys. Just drop the subject if you're not getting anywhere.

That is the goal of whataboutism.


And the goal of calling critique of Democrats from the left Russian propaganda.

And if you repeat the same thing over and over again every time you see the topic arise, you will accomplish your goal of making sure no one is able to discuss Russian attempts to interfere with the election while you are around. Like right now.


We can talk about it and I'd actually enjoy it. Just own the lie, lets establish some commonly understood context, and then effective ways to address it make sense. But you can't fix something as complex as hostile nations influencing our democracy if we only hyper focus on what they did and not the conditions that made us vulnerable. One of the main ones being:

The bipartisan ability to absorb, repeat, cite propaganda.

Then get confronted with facts that prove it to be false

Then attack the person/entity providing the facts

Then refuse to own their mistake

Then (some of the decent ones) admit to some tangential error without accepting the far more devastating premise

Then play victim to those that point it out the next time they try it.

You just happened to provide an example I would put in a text book if I was teaching this stuff so I'm kinda attached to it.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 27 2018 03:40 GMT
#199546
On February 27 2018 12:33 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2018 12:29 Plansix wrote:
On February 27 2018 12:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 27 2018 12:25 Plansix wrote:
On February 27 2018 12:18 Nixer wrote:
Take it easy guys. Just drop the subject if you're not getting anywhere.

That is the goal of whataboutism.


And the goal of calling critique of Democrats from the left Russian propaganda.

And if you repeat the same thing over and over again every time you see the topic arise, you will accomplish your goal of making sure no one is able to discuss Russian attempts to interfere with the election while you are around. Like right now.

It is only an issue because people reply. If people stopped replying, the issue would immediately be fixed. We can keep discussing these topics. It's just that people can't resist replying to gh because gh always tries to throw in bits of condescension to make sure people reply. Stop worrying what he thinks of you and just ignore him.

That is what I did last time and he sort of moved on. Apparently this is going to be a recurring thing.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23246 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-27 03:48:50
February 27 2018 03:45 GMT
#199547
On February 27 2018 12:40 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2018 12:33 Mohdoo wrote:
On February 27 2018 12:29 Plansix wrote:
On February 27 2018 12:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 27 2018 12:25 Plansix wrote:
On February 27 2018 12:18 Nixer wrote:
Take it easy guys. Just drop the subject if you're not getting anywhere.

That is the goal of whataboutism.


And the goal of calling critique of Democrats from the left Russian propaganda.

And if you repeat the same thing over and over again every time you see the topic arise, you will accomplish your goal of making sure no one is able to discuss Russian attempts to interfere with the election while you are around. Like right now.

It is only an issue because people reply. If people stopped replying, the issue would immediately be fixed. We can keep discussing these topics. It's just that people can't resist replying to gh because gh always tries to throw in bits of condescension to make sure people reply. Stop worrying what he thinks of you and just ignore him.

That is what I did last time and he sort of moved on. Apparently this is going to be a recurring thing.


Just to be clear this started with hunts carrying some shit from PM's into the thread then a dogpile on me and me pointing out that you shouldn't hop on until you can come to grips with what really happened with the propaganda you spread and stop playing victim. Or change the subject like usual.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 27 2018 03:47 GMT
#199548


New York is open for buisness with Delta in the great NRA war.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-27 04:06:41
February 27 2018 04:05 GMT
#199549
that's cute, but it would be a titanic effort to move delta from atlanta to ny. delta is one of the biggest (if not the biggest) employer in atlanta, and they literally take up half of hartsfield jackson, which is the biggest airport in the country and has just undergone a several billion dollar renovation and expansion. all of new york's airports are pretty much shitholes in comparison (there's no space to build better ones).

at the end of the day, this is just a stupid, ugly fight where no one wins. in the greater scheme of things, a $50m tax break on fuel is pretty negligible to delta, but they sure as hell aren't going to give the NRA their discounts back either. this also hurts georgia's reputation as the most business friendly state in the country and is a little reminder than it's still the south.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
February 27 2018 05:37 GMT
#199550
Well... Delta is not United Airlines. I'll give them that much.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12204 Posts
February 27 2018 09:09 GMT
#199551
On February 27 2018 12:33 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2018 12:29 Plansix wrote:
On February 27 2018 12:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 27 2018 12:25 Plansix wrote:
On February 27 2018 12:18 Nixer wrote:
Take it easy guys. Just drop the subject if you're not getting anywhere.

That is the goal of whataboutism.


And the goal of calling critique of Democrats from the left Russian propaganda.

And if you repeat the same thing over and over again every time you see the topic arise, you will accomplish your goal of making sure no one is able to discuss Russian attempts to interfere with the election while you are around. Like right now.

It is only an issue because people reply. If people stopped replying, the issue would immediately be fixed. We can keep discussing these topics. It's just that people can't resist replying to gh because gh always tries to throw in bits of condescension to make sure people reply. Stop worrying what he thinks of you and just ignore him.


What's your opinion of hunts' posting on this subject, specifically?
No will to live, no wish to die
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21699 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-27 10:42:26
February 27 2018 10:42 GMT
#199552
On February 27 2018 09:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
I'm sure Israel will be cool with this...


Does this screams "we are broke oh god oh god where can we get money" to anyone else?

How on earth can you be so desperate to sell something that you'll throw in nuclear weapons to 'sweeten the pot'.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7890 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-27 10:59:12
February 27 2018 10:58 GMT
#199553
So Dotard the First would have rushed in to save the kids even if he had been unarmed?

If only.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8086 Posts
February 27 2018 12:23 GMT
#199554
On February 27 2018 19:58 Biff The Understudy wrote:
So Dotard the First would have rushed in to save the kids even if he had been unarmed?

If only.


It would have been the first time he acted according to the US' interests
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-27 13:10:56
February 27 2018 13:10 GMT
#199555
???

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21699 Posts
February 27 2018 13:15 GMT
#199556
On February 27 2018 22:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
???

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/968468176639004672

Come on man, you can do better then this. Add some freaking context. Its right there on his Twitter.

Hes been having a tweet spree about how he is totally innocent again. You could have picked any of the other 3 tweets in the past hour but you have to go for this one?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 27 2018 13:19 GMT
#199557
He's just copy pasting Fox News lines, verbatim. So I guess something is about to drop from the WaPo or NyTimes today.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21699 Posts
February 27 2018 13:21 GMT
#199558
So why not post that instead of a single tweet taken without context and some ???
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9619 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-27 13:36:08
February 27 2018 13:34 GMT
#199559
On February 27 2018 12:45 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2018 12:40 Plansix wrote:
On February 27 2018 12:33 Mohdoo wrote:
On February 27 2018 12:29 Plansix wrote:
On February 27 2018 12:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 27 2018 12:25 Plansix wrote:
On February 27 2018 12:18 Nixer wrote:
Take it easy guys. Just drop the subject if you're not getting anywhere.

That is the goal of whataboutism.


And the goal of calling critique of Democrats from the left Russian propaganda.

And if you repeat the same thing over and over again every time you see the topic arise, you will accomplish your goal of making sure no one is able to discuss Russian attempts to interfere with the election while you are around. Like right now.

It is only an issue because people reply. If people stopped replying, the issue would immediately be fixed. We can keep discussing these topics. It's just that people can't resist replying to gh because gh always tries to throw in bits of condescension to make sure people reply. Stop worrying what he thinks of you and just ignore him.

That is what I did last time and he sort of moved on. Apparently this is going to be a recurring thing.


Just to be clear this started with hunts carrying some shit from PM's into the thread then a dogpile on me and me pointing out that you shouldn't hop on until you can come to grips with what really happened with the propaganda you spread and stop playing victim. Or change the subject like usual.


are you just full blown parody now or are we supposed to still be taking this seriously? surely this horse has died. weeks ago.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23246 Posts
February 27 2018 13:37 GMT
#199560
On February 27 2018 22:34 brian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2018 12:45 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 27 2018 12:40 Plansix wrote:
On February 27 2018 12:33 Mohdoo wrote:
On February 27 2018 12:29 Plansix wrote:
On February 27 2018 12:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 27 2018 12:25 Plansix wrote:
On February 27 2018 12:18 Nixer wrote:
Take it easy guys. Just drop the subject if you're not getting anywhere.

That is the goal of whataboutism.


And the goal of calling critique of Democrats from the left Russian propaganda.

And if you repeat the same thing over and over again every time you see the topic arise, you will accomplish your goal of making sure no one is able to discuss Russian attempts to interfere with the election while you are around. Like right now.

It is only an issue because people reply. If people stopped replying, the issue would immediately be fixed. We can keep discussing these topics. It's just that people can't resist replying to gh because gh always tries to throw in bits of condescension to make sure people reply. Stop worrying what he thinks of you and just ignore him.

That is what I did last time and he sort of moved on. Apparently this is going to be a recurring thing.


Just to be clear this started with hunts carrying some shit from PM's into the thread then a dogpile on me and me pointing out that you shouldn't hop on until you can come to grips with what really happened with the propaganda you spread and stop playing victim. Or change the subject like usual.


are you just full blown parody now or are we supposed to still be taking this seriously? surely this horse has died. weeks ago.

So long as liberals (a few in particular) refuse to see the influence of US propaganda on their perceptions of Russian influence it's going to be a problem. Particularly if they try to take a shot at me in the process.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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