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I grew up on public schools in a relatively poor fishing town in Portugal - which at the time had a GDP per capita 3 times inferior to the US. We had healthy fish, meat, vegetables and no fried items on the menu. In 98 I moved to the US to a really good public school in a wealthy neighborhood in MA - the menu was cheeseburgers, pizza, chicken nuggets and meatball subs, all of which would arrive frozen in the mornings on trucks.
The cost of food items in the US was never much higher than in PT. It's not logistics or economics, it's culture.
EDIT: Actually, it might have been logistics but in a different sense. It was probably not possible for my PT school to order in frozen food at the time - there was no choice but to cook the food.
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On February 14 2018 02:18 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2018 01:28 zlefin wrote: School lunch is a tricky issue; from what I've heard, efforts to put in healthier foods often resulted in vast amounts of waste as the kids simply didn't eat them. Which highlights the fact that we let parents have too much dominion over the raising of their children. The vast majority of parents do an exceptionally poor job. Shitty parenting is the reason kids choose chicken nuggets over vegetables. It is mostly that schools are not allowed to control children’s eating habits. And before people say that is stupid, please understand that it is because teachers and administrators just as capable of abusing power as anyone else. And people LOVE local control of their schools, rather than the State controlling how kids are feed in schools.
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On February 14 2018 02:23 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2018 02:18 Mohdoo wrote:On February 14 2018 01:28 zlefin wrote: School lunch is a tricky issue; from what I've heard, efforts to put in healthier foods often resulted in vast amounts of waste as the kids simply didn't eat them. Which highlights the fact that we let parents have too much dominion over the raising of their children. The vast majority of parents do an exceptionally poor job. Shitty parenting is the reason kids choose chicken nuggets over vegetables. It is mostly that schools are not allowed to control children’s eating habits. And before people say that is stupid, please understand that it is because teachers and administrators just as capable of abusing power as anyone else. And people LOVE local control of their schools, rather than the State controlling how kids are feed in schools.
Schools aren't allowed to choose what the kids eat, but parents are responsible for the perspectives on diet children go to school with. Children are not dumb. They can be taught if parents are willing to try. Parents just surrender and decide it is acceptable for their kids to be raised on garbage.
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On February 14 2018 02:18 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2018 01:28 zlefin wrote: School lunch is a tricky issue; from what I've heard, efforts to put in healthier foods often resulted in vast amounts of waste as the kids simply didn't eat them. Which highlights the fact that we let parents have too much dominion over the raising of their children. The vast majority of parents do a very poor job. Shitty parenting is the reason kids choose chicken nuggets over vegetables. trying to change that, while potentially beneficial, would involve extremely politically unpopular behavior. Implementing cultural change is hard, and even harder without an agreement that it should be done so. Pushing for less parental control over child-raising wouldn't get enough agreement I think.
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On February 14 2018 02:32 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2018 02:18 Mohdoo wrote:On February 14 2018 01:28 zlefin wrote: School lunch is a tricky issue; from what I've heard, efforts to put in healthier foods often resulted in vast amounts of waste as the kids simply didn't eat them. Which highlights the fact that we let parents have too much dominion over the raising of their children. The vast majority of parents do a very poor job. Shitty parenting is the reason kids choose chicken nuggets over vegetables. trying to change that, while potentially beneficial, would involve extremely politically unpopular behavior. Implementing cultural change is hard, and even harder without an agreement that it should be done so. Pushing for less parental control over child-raising wouldn't get enough agreement I think. I agree its an incredibly difficult topic to tackle.
But look at child obesity rates and it is something that will need to happen before long. One might say it may well already be to late for the coming generation.
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On February 14 2018 02:29 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2018 02:23 Plansix wrote:On February 14 2018 02:18 Mohdoo wrote:On February 14 2018 01:28 zlefin wrote: School lunch is a tricky issue; from what I've heard, efforts to put in healthier foods often resulted in vast amounts of waste as the kids simply didn't eat them. Which highlights the fact that we let parents have too much dominion over the raising of their children. The vast majority of parents do an exceptionally poor job. Shitty parenting is the reason kids choose chicken nuggets over vegetables. It is mostly that schools are not allowed to control children’s eating habits. And before people say that is stupid, please understand that it is because teachers and administrators just as capable of abusing power as anyone else. And people LOVE local control of their schools, rather than the State controlling how kids are feed in schools. Schools aren't allowed to choose what the kids eat, but parents are responsible for the perspectives on diet children go to school with. Children are not dumb. They can be taught if parents are willing to try. Parents just surrender and decide it is acceptable for their kids to be raised on garbage. I'm inclined to agree here. I sense that many parents, out of lack of knowledge, laziness, frustration, or some combination of all 3, are far too lenient with regard to promoting a healthy diet from a young age. Get em started young, and make it clear that what is served WILL be eaten, and I would imagine it would be easier to foster healthier eating habits.
Im not a parent here so if I'm wrong please do let me know, but from what I read it should be doable to promote healthy diets in your children
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eating healthy is typically more expensive or takes more work. also, see: food deserts.
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On February 14 2018 02:32 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2018 02:18 Mohdoo wrote:On February 14 2018 01:28 zlefin wrote: School lunch is a tricky issue; from what I've heard, efforts to put in healthier foods often resulted in vast amounts of waste as the kids simply didn't eat them. Which highlights the fact that we let parents have too much dominion over the raising of their children. The vast majority of parents do a very poor job. Shitty parenting is the reason kids choose chicken nuggets over vegetables. trying to change that, while potentially beneficial, would involve extremely politically unpopular behavior. Implementing cultural change is hard, and even harder without an agreement that it should be done so. Pushing for less parental control over child-raising wouldn't get enough agreement I think.
I suppose I am taking a somewhat GH'esque approach to this discussion by pointing out the larger, much more difficult to correct component of this problem has nothing to do with schools. Parents, like voters, hold all the cards. They make a decision to allow for their children to have unhealthy diets. Choosing to make sure their children are healthy would end child obesity.
It is an example of excess freedom leading to gross inefficiency without a sliver of benefit. In accordance with my ethics, parents should not have nearly the control they do over their children. Children have very, very little protection as individuals.
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On February 14 2018 02:29 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2018 02:23 Plansix wrote:On February 14 2018 02:18 Mohdoo wrote:On February 14 2018 01:28 zlefin wrote: School lunch is a tricky issue; from what I've heard, efforts to put in healthier foods often resulted in vast amounts of waste as the kids simply didn't eat them. Which highlights the fact that we let parents have too much dominion over the raising of their children. The vast majority of parents do an exceptionally poor job. Shitty parenting is the reason kids choose chicken nuggets over vegetables. It is mostly that schools are not allowed to control children’s eating habits. And before people say that is stupid, please understand that it is because teachers and administrators just as capable of abusing power as anyone else. And people LOVE local control of their schools, rather than the State controlling how kids are feed in schools. Schools aren't allowed to choose what the kids eat, but parents are responsible for the perspectives on diet children go to school with. Children are not dumb. They can be taught if parents are willing to try. Parents just surrender and decide it is acceptable for their kids to be raised on garbage. You can rail against parents being garbage all you want. Most teachers and school admins will agree with you on some level. But it also doesn’t change anything because tax payers don’t value public education is most states, so none of this is a priority.
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On February 14 2018 02:35 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2018 02:32 zlefin wrote:On February 14 2018 02:18 Mohdoo wrote:On February 14 2018 01:28 zlefin wrote: School lunch is a tricky issue; from what I've heard, efforts to put in healthier foods often resulted in vast amounts of waste as the kids simply didn't eat them. Which highlights the fact that we let parents have too much dominion over the raising of their children. The vast majority of parents do a very poor job. Shitty parenting is the reason kids choose chicken nuggets over vegetables. trying to change that, while potentially beneficial, would involve extremely politically unpopular behavior. Implementing cultural change is hard, and even harder without an agreement that it should be done so. Pushing for less parental control over child-raising wouldn't get enough agreement I think. I agree its an incredibly difficult topic to tackle. But look at child obesity rates and it is something that will need to happen before long. One might say it may well already be to late for the coming generation. there's certainly some damage already being done; it's just hard to get politicians to do politically unpopular things. And this is far harder to do than it would be in europe, given the american cultural milieu. Gettin kids to eat well starts with getting parents to eat well; a lot of people just eat poorly, and therefore, so do their kids.
mohdoo, what proposals do you favor for addressing these problems?
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Twitter has banned Paul Nehlen, a Republican challenging House Speaker Paul Ryan for a Congressional seat, for a racist tweet targeting American actress Meghan Markle, the fiancée of Prince Harry.
The U.K.'s Natural History museum released images of Cheddar Man, a dark-skinned Mesolithic man believed to be one of the oldest modern humans in Britain, this week. Nehlen posted the couple's official engagement photo with Cheddar Man's face superimposed on Markle's, who is biracial. He captioned the tweet, "Honey does this tie make my face look pale?"
Prince Harry and Markle, set to wed in May, have dealt extensively with online harassment. In 2016, months into their relationship, Prince Harry released an official statement decrying the "racial undertones" of abuse targeted toward Markle.
The tweet is hardly Nehlen's first instance of controversy. The politician has made waves for racist and anti-Semitic tweets in the past, and proclaimed that "Jews control the media" on former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke's podcast last month.
Nehlen "has spent months curating an image of a sometimes ironic, but most certainly sincere, white nationalist willing to say things intended to push populist nationalism into the discourse," writes the Southern Poverty Law Center.
Twitter, which does not normally comment on individual accounts, confirmed to NPR that Nehlen was permanently suspended for repeated violations of its terms of service.
"And as we explained in our blog about world leaders on Twitter: we review Tweets by leaders within the political context that defines them, and enforce our rules accordingly," a Twitter spokesperson told NPR. "No one person's account drives Twitter's growth, or influences these decisions. We work hard to remain unbiased with the public interest in mind."
The company updated its policies late last year in an effort to reduce abusive and violent content.
"For Twitter, reining in abusive content has posed a challenge as the company has touted itself as the ultimate place for free speech and open debate," reported NPR's Alina Selyukh in 2017, noting that the 2016 presidential election cycle was "marked by a flood of sexist, racist, anti-Semitic and threatening commentary."
"We will be filing a complaint with the Federal Election Commission in the coming days," the self-avowed "Pro-White" candidate posted on his still-active Facebook account. "These are unprecedented, brazen acts of censorship."
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Private companies are no longer able to remove content from their websites that harm their ability to do business. That would be censorship and this Republican won't stand for it.
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On February 14 2018 02:42 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2018 02:35 Gorsameth wrote:On February 14 2018 02:32 zlefin wrote:On February 14 2018 02:18 Mohdoo wrote:On February 14 2018 01:28 zlefin wrote: School lunch is a tricky issue; from what I've heard, efforts to put in healthier foods often resulted in vast amounts of waste as the kids simply didn't eat them. Which highlights the fact that we let parents have too much dominion over the raising of their children. The vast majority of parents do a very poor job. Shitty parenting is the reason kids choose chicken nuggets over vegetables. trying to change that, while potentially beneficial, would involve extremely politically unpopular behavior. Implementing cultural change is hard, and even harder without an agreement that it should be done so. Pushing for less parental control over child-raising wouldn't get enough agreement I think. I agree its an incredibly difficult topic to tackle. But look at child obesity rates and it is something that will need to happen before long. One might say it may well already be to late for the coming generation. there's certainly some damage already being done; it's just hard to get politicians to do politically unpopular things. And this is far harder to do than it would be in europe, given the american cultural milieu. Gettin kids to eat well starts with getting parents to eat well; a lot of people just eat poorly, and therefore, so do their kids. mohdoo, what proposals do you favor for addressing these problems?
In a general sense, I advocate for child protective services having significantly more power. Parents are given a somewhat executive power when it comes to raising their children. I think that is madness. Checks and balances should ultimately allow the state to play a much more active role in ensuring children are raised to a minimum standard and are given a minimum standard of health.
If I can get even more comfortable explaining my unobtainable positions, I think having children should require a license in the same way we adopt children. We have already decided as a society that adopting a child should not be easy. But we let people just blast kids out their ass so long as they were the ones to create them. It makes no sense.
Overall, we should feel more obligation to children. We should be doing more to make sure humans are given a fair shot at life and are not tragically hindered by shitty parents. Poor parenting is costing us a lottttttttttttt of money every year.
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On February 14 2018 02:40 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2018 02:32 zlefin wrote:On February 14 2018 02:18 Mohdoo wrote:On February 14 2018 01:28 zlefin wrote: School lunch is a tricky issue; from what I've heard, efforts to put in healthier foods often resulted in vast amounts of waste as the kids simply didn't eat them. Which highlights the fact that we let parents have too much dominion over the raising of their children. The vast majority of parents do a very poor job. Shitty parenting is the reason kids choose chicken nuggets over vegetables. trying to change that, while potentially beneficial, would involve extremely politically unpopular behavior. Implementing cultural change is hard, and even harder without an agreement that it should be done so. Pushing for less parental control over child-raising wouldn't get enough agreement I think. I suppose I am taking a somewhat GH'esque approach to this discussion by pointing out the larger, much more difficult to correct component of this problem has nothing to do with schools. Parents, like voters, hold all the cards. They make a decision to allow for their children to have unhealthy diets. Choosing to make sure their children are healthy would end child obesity. It is an example of excess freedom leading to gross inefficiency without a sliver of benefit. In accordance with my ethics, parents should not have nearly the control they do over their children. Children have very, very little protection as individuals.
Childhood obesity (thinking Honey Boo Boo, not "chubby") should probably be considered child abuse/neglect. Of course I support a far more rehabilitative system rather than prison and foster homes, but if they were comparably underfed it would be pretty obvious (with consideration of ectomorphs or whatever) and intervention would be a no-brainer.
As to poor parenting costing us a lot I think congress takes the cake on that one.
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On February 14 2018 02:53 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2018 02:42 zlefin wrote:On February 14 2018 02:35 Gorsameth wrote:On February 14 2018 02:32 zlefin wrote:On February 14 2018 02:18 Mohdoo wrote:On February 14 2018 01:28 zlefin wrote: School lunch is a tricky issue; from what I've heard, efforts to put in healthier foods often resulted in vast amounts of waste as the kids simply didn't eat them. Which highlights the fact that we let parents have too much dominion over the raising of their children. The vast majority of parents do a very poor job. Shitty parenting is the reason kids choose chicken nuggets over vegetables. trying to change that, while potentially beneficial, would involve extremely politically unpopular behavior. Implementing cultural change is hard, and even harder without an agreement that it should be done so. Pushing for less parental control over child-raising wouldn't get enough agreement I think. I agree its an incredibly difficult topic to tackle. But look at child obesity rates and it is something that will need to happen before long. One might say it may well already be to late for the coming generation. there's certainly some damage already being done; it's just hard to get politicians to do politically unpopular things. And this is far harder to do than it would be in europe, given the american cultural milieu. Gettin kids to eat well starts with getting parents to eat well; a lot of people just eat poorly, and therefore, so do their kids. mohdoo, what proposals do you favor for addressing these problems? In a general sense, I advocate for child protective services having significantly more power. Parents are given a somewhat executive power when it comes to raising their children. I think that is madness. Checks and balances should ultimately allow the state to play a much more active role in ensuring children are raised to a minimum standard and are given a minimum standard of health. If I can get even more comfortable explaining my unobtainable positions, I think having children should require a license in the same way we adopt children. We have already decided as a society that adopting a child should not be easy. But we let people just blast kids out their ass so long as they were the ones to create them. It makes no sense. Overall, we should feel more obligation to children. We should be doing more to make sure humans are given a fair shot at life and are not tragically hindered by shitty parents. Poor parenting is costing us a lottttttttttttt of money every year. Poor decision making by people costs alot of money, there are no easy fixes for that though it does sound like a reasonable path, though there issues as always; what assures child protective services would do a good job in such cases? building institutions itself is hard, and you can see plenty of flawed gov't parts. such levels of gov't control can lead to abuses of its own. cps would need a lot of extra funding to handle all that; where will all that money come from? what would the standards be? there's a lot of hard to handle details about what level of complianc ewould justify removal; how to enforce compliance, etc. and ofc the political impossibility of it.
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On February 14 2018 02:53 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2018 02:42 zlefin wrote:On February 14 2018 02:35 Gorsameth wrote:On February 14 2018 02:32 zlefin wrote:On February 14 2018 02:18 Mohdoo wrote:On February 14 2018 01:28 zlefin wrote: School lunch is a tricky issue; from what I've heard, efforts to put in healthier foods often resulted in vast amounts of waste as the kids simply didn't eat them. Which highlights the fact that we let parents have too much dominion over the raising of their children. The vast majority of parents do a very poor job. Shitty parenting is the reason kids choose chicken nuggets over vegetables. trying to change that, while potentially beneficial, would involve extremely politically unpopular behavior. Implementing cultural change is hard, and even harder without an agreement that it should be done so. Pushing for less parental control over child-raising wouldn't get enough agreement I think. I agree its an incredibly difficult topic to tackle. But look at child obesity rates and it is something that will need to happen before long. One might say it may well already be to late for the coming generation. there's certainly some damage already being done; it's just hard to get politicians to do politically unpopular things. And this is far harder to do than it would be in europe, given the american cultural milieu. Gettin kids to eat well starts with getting parents to eat well; a lot of people just eat poorly, and therefore, so do their kids. mohdoo, what proposals do you favor for addressing these problems? In a general sense, I advocate for child protective services having significantly more power. Parents are given a somewhat executive power when it comes to raising their children. I think that is madness. Checks and balances should ultimately allow the state to play a much more active role in ensuring children are raised to a minimum standard and are given a minimum standard of health. If I can get even more comfortable explaining my unobtainable positions, I think having children should require a license in the same way we adopt children. We have already decided as a society that adopting a child should not be easy. But we let people just blast kids out their ass so long as they were the ones to create them. It makes no sense.Overall, we should feel more obligation to children. We should be doing more to make sure humans are given a fair shot at life and are not tragically hindered by shitty parents. Poor parenting is costing us a lottttttttttttt of money every year. This is some dystopian hand maiden’s tale in reverse shit. The key to true reform and durable progress is to not design systems that can easily be abused. If people want to address child abuse, focus on the children, not some misguided system to prevent potential bad parents from having kids.
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The national security concerns of Republicans are of course being voiced by them, considering that those without a security clearance in the West Wing right now (the parade of goons) probably have already had their background checks completed (and so it's not a matter of bureaucratic delay).
The White House’s attempts to explain why it allowed a top aide accused of domestic violence by both of his ex-wives to keep his job took another hit on Tuesday, this time from FBI Director Christopher Wray.
President Donald Trump’s other top aides have been claiming that they did not know about the domestic violence allegations against former staff secretary Rob Porter until recently and that they did not appreciate the full extent of the accusations until photographs of one woman’s injuries were published by news outlets.
But Wray, who was named to that job by Trump, told the Senate Intelligence Committee that the FBI had given the White House a preliminary report on Porter nearly a year ago.
“I can’t get into the content of what was briefed,” he said in response to a question from Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.). “What I can tell you is that the FBI submitted a partial report on the investigation in question in March and then a completed background investigation in late July.”
Wray added that the FBI “soon thereafter” received a request for a follow-up from the White House, which it completed and returned in November.
The FBI closed out its investigation in January, but then received “additional information” in early February, which it passed along as well, Wray said.
www.yahoo.com
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On February 14 2018 03:03 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2018 02:53 Mohdoo wrote:On February 14 2018 02:42 zlefin wrote:On February 14 2018 02:35 Gorsameth wrote:On February 14 2018 02:32 zlefin wrote:On February 14 2018 02:18 Mohdoo wrote:On February 14 2018 01:28 zlefin wrote: School lunch is a tricky issue; from what I've heard, efforts to put in healthier foods often resulted in vast amounts of waste as the kids simply didn't eat them. Which highlights the fact that we let parents have too much dominion over the raising of their children. The vast majority of parents do a very poor job. Shitty parenting is the reason kids choose chicken nuggets over vegetables. trying to change that, while potentially beneficial, would involve extremely politically unpopular behavior. Implementing cultural change is hard, and even harder without an agreement that it should be done so. Pushing for less parental control over child-raising wouldn't get enough agreement I think. I agree its an incredibly difficult topic to tackle. But look at child obesity rates and it is something that will need to happen before long. One might say it may well already be to late for the coming generation. there's certainly some damage already being done; it's just hard to get politicians to do politically unpopular things. And this is far harder to do than it would be in europe, given the american cultural milieu. Gettin kids to eat well starts with getting parents to eat well; a lot of people just eat poorly, and therefore, so do their kids. mohdoo, what proposals do you favor for addressing these problems? In a general sense, I advocate for child protective services having significantly more power. Parents are given a somewhat executive power when it comes to raising their children. I think that is madness. Checks and balances should ultimately allow the state to play a much more active role in ensuring children are raised to a minimum standard and are given a minimum standard of health. If I can get even more comfortable explaining my unobtainable positions, I think having children should require a license in the same way we adopt children. We have already decided as a society that adopting a child should not be easy. But we let people just blast kids out their ass so long as they were the ones to create them. It makes no sense.Overall, we should feel more obligation to children. We should be doing more to make sure humans are given a fair shot at life and are not tragically hindered by shitty parents. Poor parenting is costing us a lottttttttttttt of money every year. This is some dystopian hand maiden’s tale in reverse shit. The key to true reform and durable progress is to not design systems that can easily be abused. If people want to address child abuse, focus on the children, not some misguided system to prevent potential bad parents from having kids.
Why should it be easier to have children biologically than to adopt?
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On February 14 2018 03:06 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2018 03:03 Plansix wrote:On February 14 2018 02:53 Mohdoo wrote:On February 14 2018 02:42 zlefin wrote:On February 14 2018 02:35 Gorsameth wrote:On February 14 2018 02:32 zlefin wrote:On February 14 2018 02:18 Mohdoo wrote:On February 14 2018 01:28 zlefin wrote: School lunch is a tricky issue; from what I've heard, efforts to put in healthier foods often resulted in vast amounts of waste as the kids simply didn't eat them. Which highlights the fact that we let parents have too much dominion over the raising of their children. The vast majority of parents do a very poor job. Shitty parenting is the reason kids choose chicken nuggets over vegetables. trying to change that, while potentially beneficial, would involve extremely politically unpopular behavior. Implementing cultural change is hard, and even harder without an agreement that it should be done so. Pushing for less parental control over child-raising wouldn't get enough agreement I think. I agree its an incredibly difficult topic to tackle. But look at child obesity rates and it is something that will need to happen before long. One might say it may well already be to late for the coming generation. there's certainly some damage already being done; it's just hard to get politicians to do politically unpopular things. And this is far harder to do than it would be in europe, given the american cultural milieu. Gettin kids to eat well starts with getting parents to eat well; a lot of people just eat poorly, and therefore, so do their kids. mohdoo, what proposals do you favor for addressing these problems? In a general sense, I advocate for child protective services having significantly more power. Parents are given a somewhat executive power when it comes to raising their children. I think that is madness. Checks and balances should ultimately allow the state to play a much more active role in ensuring children are raised to a minimum standard and are given a minimum standard of health. If I can get even more comfortable explaining my unobtainable positions, I think having children should require a license in the same way we adopt children. We have already decided as a society that adopting a child should not be easy. But we let people just blast kids out their ass so long as they were the ones to create them. It makes no sense.Overall, we should feel more obligation to children. We should be doing more to make sure humans are given a fair shot at life and are not tragically hindered by shitty parents. Poor parenting is costing us a lottttttttttttt of money every year. This is some dystopian hand maiden’s tale in reverse shit. The key to true reform and durable progress is to not design systems that can easily be abused. If people want to address child abuse, focus on the children, not some misguided system to prevent potential bad parents from having kids. Why should it be easier to have children biologically than to adopt? The ability to have children is a basic human right, not to be infringed upon by goverment without good cause. You want to talk about making the adoption process cheaper and easier without putting the child's welfare at risk, I'm with you.
But let me put it to you another way, do you want this administration to have to the power to decide who can and can't have kids? What demographics do you think would be denied the right to have children? What common trait do you think those couples would have? And what do we do to people who break the law?
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Honestly, free school lunches for all kids starting from kindergarten seems like a better approach than making bad parenting illegal. Children spend lots of time at school, which is a location the public has control over, whereas demanding good parenting and requiring a license for reproduction would demand that the government gets access to children in the private sphere. The latter is much more politically unpopular and, like Plansix said, dystopian.
Also, doctors should tell parents that they need to feed their children baby food with spinach in it, even if children don’t seem to like it.
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On February 14 2018 03:06 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2018 03:03 Plansix wrote:On February 14 2018 02:53 Mohdoo wrote:On February 14 2018 02:42 zlefin wrote:On February 14 2018 02:35 Gorsameth wrote:On February 14 2018 02:32 zlefin wrote:On February 14 2018 02:18 Mohdoo wrote:On February 14 2018 01:28 zlefin wrote: School lunch is a tricky issue; from what I've heard, efforts to put in healthier foods often resulted in vast amounts of waste as the kids simply didn't eat them. Which highlights the fact that we let parents have too much dominion over the raising of their children. The vast majority of parents do a very poor job. Shitty parenting is the reason kids choose chicken nuggets over vegetables. trying to change that, while potentially beneficial, would involve extremely politically unpopular behavior. Implementing cultural change is hard, and even harder without an agreement that it should be done so. Pushing for less parental control over child-raising wouldn't get enough agreement I think. I agree its an incredibly difficult topic to tackle. But look at child obesity rates and it is something that will need to happen before long. One might say it may well already be to late for the coming generation. there's certainly some damage already being done; it's just hard to get politicians to do politically unpopular things. And this is far harder to do than it would be in europe, given the american cultural milieu. Gettin kids to eat well starts with getting parents to eat well; a lot of people just eat poorly, and therefore, so do their kids. mohdoo, what proposals do you favor for addressing these problems? In a general sense, I advocate for child protective services having significantly more power. Parents are given a somewhat executive power when it comes to raising their children. I think that is madness. Checks and balances should ultimately allow the state to play a much more active role in ensuring children are raised to a minimum standard and are given a minimum standard of health. If I can get even more comfortable explaining my unobtainable positions, I think having children should require a license in the same way we adopt children. We have already decided as a society that adopting a child should not be easy. But we let people just blast kids out their ass so long as they were the ones to create them. It makes no sense.Overall, we should feel more obligation to children. We should be doing more to make sure humans are given a fair shot at life and are not tragically hindered by shitty parents. Poor parenting is costing us a lottttttttttttt of money every year. This is some dystopian hand maiden’s tale in reverse shit. The key to true reform and durable progress is to not design systems that can easily be abused. If people want to address child abuse, focus on the children, not some misguided system to prevent potential bad parents from having kids. Why should it be easier to have children biologically than to adopt? Did your parents ever have “the talk” with you? Children come from sex, which can’t be made illegal as it is private behavior.
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