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On December 22 2017 03:39 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2017 03:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 22 2017 03:34 Danglars wrote:On December 22 2017 02:40 IyMoon wrote:On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:On December 22 2017 02:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Get ready for a temper tantrum.
I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized. Let your true colors show, I guess. What are you talking about? The whole world (minus 9 I guess) Think this is a horrible call. This does not strike me as anything but the world going 'hold your shit, thats a bad call' Okay, that the UN was so united against Israel and their historical claims on the city of Jerusalem. On December 22 2017 03:03 Amui wrote:On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized. Let your true colors show, I guess. 6.57% of nations decided to vote with the US. 93.63% of nations thought that US was being retarded. But hey, chalk it up to polarization, rather than Trump being a colossal moron. Lol. You need to recount how the nations voted. This will absolutely diminish the UN. And just the phrasing to pretend they had the authority to declare the US's recognition "null and void?" Yeah, opposition, show your true stripes, sure. I've very proud of how Haley acquitted herself and Trump's decision in general. Any peace deal must include Israel's continued presence in Jerusalem, and the Palestinians must accept that if they ever want peace. Subjugation isn't peace. If they are to share, they must share as equals. You should let the Palestinians know that. Its not like they've ever shown any intent in shareing.
Clearly...
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On December 22 2017 03:46 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2017 03:42 kollin wrote:On December 22 2017 03:39 Sermokala wrote:On December 22 2017 03:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 22 2017 03:34 Danglars wrote:On December 22 2017 02:40 IyMoon wrote:On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized. Let your true colors show, I guess. What are you talking about? The whole world (minus 9 I guess) Think this is a horrible call. This does not strike me as anything but the world going 'hold your shit, thats a bad call' Okay, that the UN was so united against Israel and their historical claims on the city of Jerusalem. On December 22 2017 03:03 Amui wrote:On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized. Let your true colors show, I guess. 6.57% of nations decided to vote with the US. 93.63% of nations thought that US was being retarded. But hey, chalk it up to polarization, rather than Trump being a colossal moron. Lol. You need to recount how the nations voted. This will absolutely diminish the UN. And just the phrasing to pretend they had the authority to declare the US's recognition "null and void?" Yeah, opposition, show your true stripes, sure. https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/943874473266094081https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/943790490587226112I've very proud of how Haley acquitted herself and Trump's decision in general. Any peace deal must include Israel's continued presence in Jerusalem, and the Palestinians must accept that if they ever want peace. Subjugation isn't peace. If they are to share, they must share as equals. You should let the Palestinians know that. Its not like they've ever shown any intent in shareing. In fairness, why should they have done? Their country was suddenly chopped up and given away by British diplomats, it's not like they chose this. Pakistani's had their country chopped up and given away by British diplomats but they don't vote in politicians promising to throw the hindu people into the sea.
yeah, all they had was several modest-sized wars over it, and both countries getting nukes because of it, and other extensive military buildups. and these issues are of course, still an ongoing problem. and a different set of promises about fighting india.
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@GreenHorizons or whoever knows: where does Kamala Harris stand politically?
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On December 22 2017 03:46 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2017 03:42 kollin wrote:On December 22 2017 03:39 Sermokala wrote:On December 22 2017 03:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 22 2017 03:34 Danglars wrote:On December 22 2017 02:40 IyMoon wrote:On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized. Let your true colors show, I guess. What are you talking about? The whole world (minus 9 I guess) Think this is a horrible call. This does not strike me as anything but the world going 'hold your shit, thats a bad call' Okay, that the UN was so united against Israel and their historical claims on the city of Jerusalem. On December 22 2017 03:03 Amui wrote:On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized. Let your true colors show, I guess. 6.57% of nations decided to vote with the US. 93.63% of nations thought that US was being retarded. But hey, chalk it up to polarization, rather than Trump being a colossal moron. Lol. You need to recount how the nations voted. This will absolutely diminish the UN. And just the phrasing to pretend they had the authority to declare the US's recognition "null and void?" Yeah, opposition, show your true stripes, sure. https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/943874473266094081https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/943790490587226112I've very proud of how Haley acquitted herself and Trump's decision in general. Any peace deal must include Israel's continued presence in Jerusalem, and the Palestinians must accept that if they ever want peace. Subjugation isn't peace. If they are to share, they must share as equals. You should let the Palestinians know that. Its not like they've ever shown any intent in shareing. In fairness, why should they have done? Their country was suddenly chopped up and given away by British diplomats, it's not like they chose this. Pakistani's had their country chopped up and given away by British diplomats but they don't vote in politicians promising to throw the hindu people into the sea. Show nested quote +On December 22 2017 03:44 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On December 22 2017 03:39 Sermokala wrote:On December 22 2017 03:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 22 2017 03:34 Danglars wrote:On December 22 2017 02:40 IyMoon wrote:On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized. Let your true colors show, I guess. What are you talking about? The whole world (minus 9 I guess) Think this is a horrible call. This does not strike me as anything but the world going 'hold your shit, thats a bad call' Okay, that the UN was so united against Israel and their historical claims on the city of Jerusalem. On December 22 2017 03:03 Amui wrote:On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized. Let your true colors show, I guess. 6.57% of nations decided to vote with the US. 93.63% of nations thought that US was being retarded. But hey, chalk it up to polarization, rather than Trump being a colossal moron. Lol. You need to recount how the nations voted. This will absolutely diminish the UN. And just the phrasing to pretend they had the authority to declare the US's recognition "null and void?" Yeah, opposition, show your true stripes, sure. https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/943874473266094081https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/943790490587226112I've very proud of how Haley acquitted herself and Trump's decision in general. Any peace deal must include Israel's continued presence in Jerusalem, and the Palestinians must accept that if they ever want peace. Subjugation isn't peace. If they are to share, they must share as equals. You should let the Palestinians know that. Its not like they've ever shown any intent in shareing. *Isreal aggressively colonises vast swatches of Palestine* "Why won't you just learn to SHARE?!" Lordy. Do you have any evidence that the Palestinians have offered peace terms of any degree? I'm legitimatly curious beacuse I've never seen any and I would genuinely change my view of the issue if they ever had.
Ignoring the significant persecution and discrimination against Hindus within Pakistan, India and Pakistan literally point nuclear weapons at each other constantly. There are fairly strong sentiments regarding the issue.
Even ignoring THAT, what you are saying doesn't negate the fact that the Palestinians might have a completely legitimate grievance. 'Look, this particular population handled imperialism without kicking up a fuss, why can't they?'
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On December 22 2017 03:49 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2017 03:46 Sermokala wrote:On December 22 2017 03:42 kollin wrote:On December 22 2017 03:39 Sermokala wrote:On December 22 2017 03:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 22 2017 03:34 Danglars wrote:On December 22 2017 02:40 IyMoon wrote:On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized. Let your true colors show, I guess. What are you talking about? The whole world (minus 9 I guess) Think this is a horrible call. This does not strike me as anything but the world going 'hold your shit, thats a bad call' Okay, that the UN was so united against Israel and their historical claims on the city of Jerusalem. On December 22 2017 03:03 Amui wrote:On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized. Let your true colors show, I guess. 6.57% of nations decided to vote with the US. 93.63% of nations thought that US was being retarded. But hey, chalk it up to polarization, rather than Trump being a colossal moron. Lol. You need to recount how the nations voted. This will absolutely diminish the UN. And just the phrasing to pretend they had the authority to declare the US's recognition "null and void?" Yeah, opposition, show your true stripes, sure. https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/943874473266094081https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/943790490587226112I've very proud of how Haley acquitted herself and Trump's decision in general. Any peace deal must include Israel's continued presence in Jerusalem, and the Palestinians must accept that if they ever want peace. Subjugation isn't peace. If they are to share, they must share as equals. You should let the Palestinians know that. Its not like they've ever shown any intent in shareing. In fairness, why should they have done? Their country was suddenly chopped up and given away by British diplomats, it's not like they chose this. Pakistani's had their country chopped up and given away by British diplomats but they don't vote in politicians promising to throw the hindu people into the sea. yeah, all they had was several modest-sized wars over it, and both countries getting nukes because of it, and other extensive military buildups. and these issues are of course, still an ongoing problem.
I'm not defending what the British did but its not like India occupies Bangladesh and no one recognizes India because of it.
On December 22 2017 03:53 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2017 03:46 Sermokala wrote:On December 22 2017 03:42 kollin wrote:On December 22 2017 03:39 Sermokala wrote:On December 22 2017 03:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 22 2017 03:34 Danglars wrote:On December 22 2017 02:40 IyMoon wrote:On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized. Let your true colors show, I guess. What are you talking about? The whole world (minus 9 I guess) Think this is a horrible call. This does not strike me as anything but the world going 'hold your shit, thats a bad call' Okay, that the UN was so united against Israel and their historical claims on the city of Jerusalem. On December 22 2017 03:03 Amui wrote:On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized. Let your true colors show, I guess. 6.57% of nations decided to vote with the US. 93.63% of nations thought that US was being retarded. But hey, chalk it up to polarization, rather than Trump being a colossal moron. Lol. You need to recount how the nations voted. This will absolutely diminish the UN. And just the phrasing to pretend they had the authority to declare the US's recognition "null and void?" Yeah, opposition, show your true stripes, sure. https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/943874473266094081https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/943790490587226112I've very proud of how Haley acquitted herself and Trump's decision in general. Any peace deal must include Israel's continued presence in Jerusalem, and the Palestinians must accept that if they ever want peace. Subjugation isn't peace. If they are to share, they must share as equals. You should let the Palestinians know that. Its not like they've ever shown any intent in shareing. In fairness, why should they have done? Their country was suddenly chopped up and given away by British diplomats, it's not like they chose this. Pakistani's had their country chopped up and given away by British diplomats but they don't vote in politicians promising to throw the hindu people into the sea. On December 22 2017 03:44 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On December 22 2017 03:39 Sermokala wrote:On December 22 2017 03:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 22 2017 03:34 Danglars wrote:On December 22 2017 02:40 IyMoon wrote:On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized. Let your true colors show, I guess. What are you talking about? The whole world (minus 9 I guess) Think this is a horrible call. This does not strike me as anything but the world going 'hold your shit, thats a bad call' Okay, that the UN was so united against Israel and their historical claims on the city of Jerusalem. On December 22 2017 03:03 Amui wrote:On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized. Let your true colors show, I guess. 6.57% of nations decided to vote with the US. 93.63% of nations thought that US was being retarded. But hey, chalk it up to polarization, rather than Trump being a colossal moron. Lol. You need to recount how the nations voted. This will absolutely diminish the UN. And just the phrasing to pretend they had the authority to declare the US's recognition "null and void?" Yeah, opposition, show your true stripes, sure. https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/943874473266094081https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/943790490587226112I've very proud of how Haley acquitted herself and Trump's decision in general. Any peace deal must include Israel's continued presence in Jerusalem, and the Palestinians must accept that if they ever want peace. Subjugation isn't peace. If they are to share, they must share as equals. You should let the Palestinians know that. Its not like they've ever shown any intent in shareing. *Isreal aggressively colonises vast swatches of Palestine* "Why won't you just learn to SHARE?!" Lordy. Do you have any evidence that the Palestinians have offered peace terms of any degree? I'm legitimatly curious beacuse I've never seen any and I would genuinely change my view of the issue if they ever had. Ignoring the significant persecution and discrimination against Hindus within Pakistan, India and Pakistan literally point nuclear weapons at each other constantly. There are fairly strong sentiments regarding the issue. Even ignoring THAT, what you are saying doesn't negate the fact that the Palestinians might have a completely legitimate grievance. 'Look, this particular population handled imperialism without kicking up a fuss, why can't they?'
I'm not saying the Palestinians don't have a legitimate grevence. I'm just saying they refuse to do anything to solve the problem they're in and want to extend the status quo the same as Isreal does. Yet Isreal gets the heat beacuse they pretend to be a real country.
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On December 22 2017 03:53 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2017 03:49 zlefin wrote:On December 22 2017 03:46 Sermokala wrote:On December 22 2017 03:42 kollin wrote:On December 22 2017 03:39 Sermokala wrote:On December 22 2017 03:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 22 2017 03:34 Danglars wrote:On December 22 2017 02:40 IyMoon wrote:On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized. Let your true colors show, I guess. What are you talking about? The whole world (minus 9 I guess) Think this is a horrible call. This does not strike me as anything but the world going 'hold your shit, thats a bad call' Okay, that the UN was so united against Israel and their historical claims on the city of Jerusalem. On December 22 2017 03:03 Amui wrote:On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized. Let your true colors show, I guess. 6.57% of nations decided to vote with the US. 93.63% of nations thought that US was being retarded. But hey, chalk it up to polarization, rather than Trump being a colossal moron. Lol. You need to recount how the nations voted. This will absolutely diminish the UN. And just the phrasing to pretend they had the authority to declare the US's recognition "null and void?" Yeah, opposition, show your true stripes, sure. https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/943874473266094081https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/943790490587226112I've very proud of how Haley acquitted herself and Trump's decision in general. Any peace deal must include Israel's continued presence in Jerusalem, and the Palestinians must accept that if they ever want peace. Subjugation isn't peace. If they are to share, they must share as equals. You should let the Palestinians know that. Its not like they've ever shown any intent in shareing. In fairness, why should they have done? Their country was suddenly chopped up and given away by British diplomats, it's not like they chose this. Pakistani's had their country chopped up and given away by British diplomats but they don't vote in politicians promising to throw the hindu people into the sea. yeah, all they had was several modest-sized wars over it, and both countries getting nukes because of it, and other extensive military buildups. and these issues are of course, still an ongoing problem. I'm not defending what the British did but its not like India occupies Bangladesh and no one recognizes India because of it.
and the US does recognize israel, the only question is the dispute about the capital (at least herein)
so your point simply fails.
you were wrong, just own it instead of trying to weasel out of it.
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On December 22 2017 03:22 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2017 03:21 IyMoon wrote:On December 22 2017 03:19 Introvert wrote:On December 22 2017 02:43 Biff The Understudy wrote:
“For those who don’t have our backs, we are taking names” said Haley.
Yeah, that’s a good idea. Try to intimidate and bully into submission further sovereign nations with more empty threats, so that we are all sure of how awful you are.
If Trump and his court of morons wanted to make appear weak, isolated and impotent, they wouldn’t do otherwise. The resolution was condemning and trying to cancel the exercise of a sovereign nation's right. *** Also someone said something about undermining the aca in the tax bill. You can thank John Roberts, who said it was a tax. Sovereign nations have tons of rights that should never be executed. We have a right to go to war with people, does not mean we should Actually one of the most significant successes of the UN, and one that is also being eroded away, was that they made war illegal.
yeah sure i mean if you listened to noam chomsky youd think there were a lot of international laws overseen by some kind of supreme sovereign
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On December 22 2017 03:51 TheDwf wrote:
@GreenHorizons or whoever knows: where does Kamala Harris stand politically?
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/08/kamala-harris-trump-obama-california-attorney-general
That is the article I read about her. Consensus overall seemed to be that she is a left-liberal career politician, who will strategically support campaigns such as raising the minimum wage and expanding health care access, but who cannot be depended upon to lead these fights. Personally I would not trust her, but she is obviously better than most politicians. And the fact she is receptive to popular opinion is good.
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On December 22 2017 03:56 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2017 03:53 Sermokala wrote:On December 22 2017 03:49 zlefin wrote:On December 22 2017 03:46 Sermokala wrote:On December 22 2017 03:42 kollin wrote:On December 22 2017 03:39 Sermokala wrote:On December 22 2017 03:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 22 2017 03:34 Danglars wrote:On December 22 2017 02:40 IyMoon wrote:On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:
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I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized.
Let your true colors show, I guess. What are you talking about? The whole world (minus 9 I guess) Think this is a horrible call. This does not strike me as anything but the world going 'hold your shit, thats a bad call' Okay, that the UN was so united against Israel and their historical claims on the city of Jerusalem. On December 22 2017 03:03 Amui wrote:On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:
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I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized.
Let your true colors show, I guess. 6.57% of nations decided to vote with the US. 93.63% of nations thought that US was being retarded. But hey, chalk it up to polarization, rather than Trump being a colossal moron. Lol. You need to recount how the nations voted. This will absolutely diminish the UN. And just the phrasing to pretend they had the authority to declare the US's recognition "null and void?" Yeah, opposition, show your true stripes, sure. https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/943874473266094081https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/943790490587226112I've very proud of how Haley acquitted herself and Trump's decision in general. Any peace deal must include Israel's continued presence in Jerusalem, and the Palestinians must accept that if they ever want peace. Subjugation isn't peace. If they are to share, they must share as equals. You should let the Palestinians know that. Its not like they've ever shown any intent in shareing. In fairness, why should they have done? Their country was suddenly chopped up and given away by British diplomats, it's not like they chose this. Pakistani's had their country chopped up and given away by British diplomats but they don't vote in politicians promising to throw the hindu people into the sea. yeah, all they had was several modest-sized wars over it, and both countries getting nukes because of it, and other extensive military buildups. and these issues are of course, still an ongoing problem. I'm not defending what the British did but its not like India occupies Bangladesh and no one recognizes India because of it. and the US does recognize israel, the only question is the dispute about the capital (at least herein) so your point simply fails. you were wrong, just own it instead of tryin to weasel out of it.
There are more questions then the capital zelfin. If it was pointing at a map and deciding where to plant a star it wouldn't be an issue.
Clarifying my position doesn't make me wrong.
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It is pretty easy to understand who's on the right moral plane. One side uses civilian as human shield, the other does not. One side allows 1.5 milion people of the other ethnicity to live in their state, the other does not. Also funny how TheDwf diagram fails to mention that they waged war multiple times, got their ass kicked and lost territory. They clearly should have won the war and gave up their territory...funny guy
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On December 22 2017 03:53 Sermokala wrote:
I'm not saying the Palestinians don't have a legitimate grevence. I'm just saying they refuse to do anything to solve the problem they're in and want to extend the status quo the same as Isreal does. Yet Isreal gets the heat beacuse they pretend to be a real country.
You say "yet" as if that didn't make sense, but it does.
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On December 22 2017 03:58 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2017 03:56 zlefin wrote:On December 22 2017 03:53 Sermokala wrote:On December 22 2017 03:49 zlefin wrote:On December 22 2017 03:46 Sermokala wrote:On December 22 2017 03:42 kollin wrote:On December 22 2017 03:39 Sermokala wrote:On December 22 2017 03:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 22 2017 03:34 Danglars wrote:On December 22 2017 02:40 IyMoon wrote:
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What are you talking about? The whole world (minus 9 I guess) Think this is a horrible call. This does not strike me as anything but the world going 'hold your shit, thats a bad call' Okay, that the UN was so united against Israel and their historical claims on the city of Jerusalem. On December 22 2017 03:03 Amui wrote:
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6.57% of nations decided to vote with the US.
93.63% of nations thought that US was being retarded. But hey, chalk it up to polarization, rather than Trump being a colossal moron. Lol. You need to recount how the nations voted. This will absolutely diminish the UN. And just the phrasing to pretend they had the authority to declare the US's recognition "null and void?" Yeah, opposition, show your true stripes, sure. https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/943874473266094081https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/943790490587226112I've very proud of how Haley acquitted herself and Trump's decision in general. Any peace deal must include Israel's continued presence in Jerusalem, and the Palestinians must accept that if they ever want peace. Subjugation isn't peace. If they are to share, they must share as equals. You should let the Palestinians know that. Its not like they've ever shown any intent in shareing. In fairness, why should they have done? Their country was suddenly chopped up and given away by British diplomats, it's not like they chose this. Pakistani's had their country chopped up and given away by British diplomats but they don't vote in politicians promising to throw the hindu people into the sea. yeah, all they had was several modest-sized wars over it, and both countries getting nukes because of it, and other extensive military buildups. and these issues are of course, still an ongoing problem. I'm not defending what the British did but its not like India occupies Bangladesh and no one recognizes India because of it. and the US does recognize israel, the only question is the dispute about the capital (at least herein) so your point simply fails. you were wrong, just own it instead of tryin to weasel out of it. There are more questions then the capital zelfin. If it was pointing at a map and deciding where to plant a star it wouldn't be an issue. Clarifying my position doesn't make me wrong.
you kinda were wrong though; clarity is good, but you weren't clarifying, you were changing what you said. you talked as if there weren't pakistan/india issues. you very clearly talked that way, which is very clearly not the case. but I know you won't admit you were wrong, so fine, weasel away.
in the future, talk better in the first place though.
you also then made an obviously flawed comparison to the india/bangladesh issue, which was pointed out as flawed.
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On December 22 2017 03:57 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2017 03:51 TheDwf wrote:
@GreenHorizons or whoever knows: where does Kamala Harris stand politically? https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/08/kamala-harris-trump-obama-california-attorney-generalThat is the article I read about her. Consensus overall seemed to be that she is a left-liberal career politician, who will strategically support campaigns such as raising the minimum wage and expanding health care access, but who cannot be depended upon to lead these fights. Personally I would not trust her, but she is obviously better than most politicians. And the fact she is receptive to popular opinion is good.
This is the right take imo.
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On December 22 2017 03:46 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2017 03:39 Sermokala wrote:On December 22 2017 03:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 22 2017 03:34 Danglars wrote:On December 22 2017 02:40 IyMoon wrote:On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized. Let your true colors show, I guess. What are you talking about? The whole world (minus 9 I guess) Think this is a horrible call. This does not strike me as anything but the world going 'hold your shit, thats a bad call' Okay, that the UN was so united against Israel and their historical claims on the city of Jerusalem. On December 22 2017 03:03 Amui wrote:On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized. Let your true colors show, I guess. 6.57% of nations decided to vote with the US. 93.63% of nations thought that US was being retarded. But hey, chalk it up to polarization, rather than Trump being a colossal moron. Lol. You need to recount how the nations voted. This will absolutely diminish the UN. And just the phrasing to pretend they had the authority to declare the US's recognition "null and void?" Yeah, opposition, show your true stripes, sure. https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/943874473266094081https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/943790490587226112I've very proud of how Haley acquitted herself and Trump's decision in general. Any peace deal must include Israel's continued presence in Jerusalem, and the Palestinians must accept that if they ever want peace. Subjugation isn't peace. If they are to share, they must share as equals. You should let the Palestinians know that. Its not like they've ever shown any intent in shareing. Clearly...
Look at all that land Palestinians might've occupied if not for a few poorly planned invasions and provocations by its friends.
If you're going to start a war, don't whine that the results of a loss aren't in your favor.
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On December 22 2017 03:36 TheTenthDoc wrote:
It's almost like the UN doesn't want to reward illegal settlements that show absolutely no sign of stopping ever
Kinda funny how some people are willing to look the other way when it comes to Israel doing it, but froth at the mouth about putting up a border while because the Mexicans are supposedly doing it.
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On December 22 2017 03:56 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2017 03:22 kollin wrote:On December 22 2017 03:21 IyMoon wrote:On December 22 2017 03:19 Introvert wrote:On December 22 2017 02:43 Biff The Understudy wrote:
“For those who don’t have our backs, we are taking names” said Haley.
Yeah, that’s a good idea. Try to intimidate and bully into submission further sovereign nations with more empty threats, so that we are all sure of how awful you are.
If Trump and his court of morons wanted to make appear weak, isolated and impotent, they wouldn’t do otherwise. The resolution was condemning and trying to cancel the exercise of a sovereign nation's right. *** Also someone said something about undermining the aca in the tax bill. You can thank John Roberts, who said it was a tax. Sovereign nations have tons of rights that should never be executed. We have a right to go to war with people, does not mean we should Actually one of the most significant successes of the UN, and one that is also being eroded away, was that they made war illegal. yeah sure i mean if you listened to noam chomsky youd think there were a lot of international laws overseen by some kind of supreme sovereign
id be interested in ur thoughts on this if you've got time to read:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/sep/14/making-war-illegal-changed-the-world-but-its-becoming-too-easy-to-break-the-law
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On December 22 2017 04:11 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2017 03:46 TheDwf wrote:On December 22 2017 03:39 Sermokala wrote:On December 22 2017 03:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 22 2017 03:34 Danglars wrote:On December 22 2017 02:40 IyMoon wrote:On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized. Let your true colors show, I guess. What are you talking about? The whole world (minus 9 I guess) Think this is a horrible call. This does not strike me as anything but the world going 'hold your shit, thats a bad call' Okay, that the UN was so united against Israel and their historical claims on the city of Jerusalem. On December 22 2017 03:03 Amui wrote:On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized. Let your true colors show, I guess. 6.57% of nations decided to vote with the US. 93.63% of nations thought that US was being retarded. But hey, chalk it up to polarization, rather than Trump being a colossal moron. Lol. You need to recount how the nations voted. This will absolutely diminish the UN. And just the phrasing to pretend they had the authority to declare the US's recognition "null and void?" Yeah, opposition, show your true stripes, sure. https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/943874473266094081https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/943790490587226112I've very proud of how Haley acquitted herself and Trump's decision in general. Any peace deal must include Israel's continued presence in Jerusalem, and the Palestinians must accept that if they ever want peace. Subjugation isn't peace. If they are to share, they must share as equals. You should let the Palestinians know that. Its not like they've ever shown any intent in shareing. Clearly... Look at all that land Palestinians might've occupied if not for a few poorly planned invasions and provocations by its friends. If you're going to start a war, don't whine that the results of a loss aren't in your favor.
Last I saw, all the whining was coming from Haley haha.
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On December 22 2017 03:51 TheDwf wrote:
@GreenHorizons or whoever knows: where does Kamala Harris stand politically?
As a constituent I feel free to say that she's an empty suit idiot who is trying to work her way into the presidency by adopting whatever positions she has to and then hoping that minorities vote for her.
She is also dishonest and a hack but that's normal for politicians.
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On December 22 2017 03:46 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2017 03:42 kollin wrote:On December 22 2017 03:39 Sermokala wrote:On December 22 2017 03:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 22 2017 03:34 Danglars wrote:On December 22 2017 02:40 IyMoon wrote:On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized. Let your true colors show, I guess. What are you talking about? The whole world (minus 9 I guess) Think this is a horrible call. This does not strike me as anything but the world going 'hold your shit, thats a bad call' Okay, that the UN was so united against Israel and their historical claims on the city of Jerusalem. On December 22 2017 03:03 Amui wrote:On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized. Let your true colors show, I guess. 6.57% of nations decided to vote with the US. 93.63% of nations thought that US was being retarded. But hey, chalk it up to polarization, rather than Trump being a colossal moron. Lol. You need to recount how the nations voted. This will absolutely diminish the UN. And just the phrasing to pretend they had the authority to declare the US's recognition "null and void?" Yeah, opposition, show your true stripes, sure. https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/943874473266094081https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/943790490587226112I've very proud of how Haley acquitted herself and Trump's decision in general. Any peace deal must include Israel's continued presence in Jerusalem, and the Palestinians must accept that if they ever want peace. Subjugation isn't peace. If they are to share, they must share as equals. You should let the Palestinians know that. Its not like they've ever shown any intent in shareing. In fairness, why should they have done? Their country was suddenly chopped up and given away by British diplomats, it's not like they chose this. Pakistani's had their country chopped up and given away by British diplomats but they don't vote in politicians promising to throw the hindu people into the sea. Show nested quote +On December 22 2017 03:44 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On December 22 2017 03:39 Sermokala wrote:On December 22 2017 03:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 22 2017 03:34 Danglars wrote:On December 22 2017 02:40 IyMoon wrote:On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized. Let your true colors show, I guess. What are you talking about? The whole world (minus 9 I guess) Think this is a horrible call. This does not strike me as anything but the world going 'hold your shit, thats a bad call' Okay, that the UN was so united against Israel and their historical claims on the city of Jerusalem. On December 22 2017 03:03 Amui wrote:On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized. Let your true colors show, I guess. 6.57% of nations decided to vote with the US. 93.63% of nations thought that US was being retarded. But hey, chalk it up to polarization, rather than Trump being a colossal moron. Lol. You need to recount how the nations voted. This will absolutely diminish the UN. And just the phrasing to pretend they had the authority to declare the US's recognition "null and void?" Yeah, opposition, show your true stripes, sure. https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/943874473266094081https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/943790490587226112I've very proud of how Haley acquitted herself and Trump's decision in general. Any peace deal must include Israel's continued presence in Jerusalem, and the Palestinians must accept that if they ever want peace. Subjugation isn't peace. If they are to share, they must share as equals. You should let the Palestinians know that. Its not like they've ever shown any intent in shareing. *Isreal aggressively colonises vast swatches of Palestine* "Why won't you just learn to SHARE?!" Lordy. Do you have any evidence that the Palestinians have offered peace terms of any degree? I'm legitimatly curious beacuse I've never seen any and I would genuinely change my view of the issue if they ever had.
There have been many peace offers over the years. The problem is they don't match with Israel's (and Israel currently has little interest in any peace offer anyway), not that they don't exist. The most obvious one would be the demands of the first Intifada.
From Wiki:
Leadership and aims
The Intifada was not initiated by any single individual or organization. Local leadership came from groups and organizations affiliated with the PLO that operated within the Occupied Territories; Fatah, the Popular Front, the Democratic Front and the Palestine Communist Party.[42] The PLO's rivals in this activity were the Islamic organizations, Hamas and Islamic Jihad as well as local leadership in cities such as Beit Sahour and Bethlehem. However, the uprising was predominantly led by community councils led by Hanan Ashrawi, Faisal Husseini and Haidar Abdel-Shafi, that promoted independent networks for education (underground schools as the regular schools were closed by the military in reprisal for the uprising), medical care, and food aid.[43] The Unified National Leadership of the Uprising (UNLU) gained credibility where the Palestinian society complied with the issued communiques.[42] There was a collective commitment to abstain from lethal violence, a notable departure from past practice,[44] which, according to Shalev arose from a calculation that recourse to arms would lead to an Israeli bloodbath and undermine the support they had in Israeli liberal quarters. The PLO and its chairman Yassir Arafat had also decided on an unarmed strategy, in the expectation that negotiations at that time would lead to an agreement with Israel.[45] Pearlman attributes the non-violent character of the uprising to the movement's internal organization and its capillary outreach to neighborhood committees that ensured that lethal revenge would not be the response even in the face of Israeli state repression.[46] Hamas and Islamic Jihad cooperated with the leadership at the outset, and throughout the first year of the uprising conducted no armed attacks, except for the stabbing of a soldier in October 1988, and the detonation of two roadside bombs, which had no impact.[47]
Leaflets publicizing the uprising's aims demanded the complete withdrawal of Israel from the territories it had occupied in 1967: the lifting of curfews and checkpoints; it appealed to Palestinians to join in civic resistance, while asking them not to employ arms, since military resistance would only invite devastating retaliation from Israel; it also called for the establishment of the Palestinian state on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, abandoning the standard rhetorical calls, still current at the time, for the "liberation" of all of Palestine.[48]
First time the PLO went from the ambiguous 'liberate Palestine' to 'let us have the pre-1967 borders'. Naturally this wasn't unrelated to Palestine's weakened negotiation position, but still. This was the one Israel responded to with their 'break Palestinians' bones' policy.
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On December 22 2017 04:44 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2017 03:51 TheDwf wrote:
@GreenHorizons or whoever knows: where does Kamala Harris stand politically? As a constituent I feel free to say that she's an empty suit idiot who is trying to work her way into the presidency by adopting whatever positions she has to and then hoping that minorities vote for her. She is also dishonest and a hack but that's normal for politicians.
I agree with this, except she's clearly not stupid. Trump is an idiot, she's a lot of things, but stupid ain't one of them.
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