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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7949 Posts
December 21 2017 17:43 GMT
#191741
“For those who don’t have our backs, we are taking names” said Haley.

Yeah, that’s a good idea. Try to intimidate and bully into submission further sovereign nations with more empty threats, so that we are all sure of how awful you are.

If Trump and his court of morons wanted to make appear weak, isolated and impotent, they wouldn’t do otherwise.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7949 Posts
December 21 2017 17:45 GMT
#191742
On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2017 02:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Get ready for a temper tantrum.




I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized.

Let your true colors show, I guess.

That, or your guy and the idea you support so enthusiastically is so fucking idiotic that no one on earth thinks it’s a good idea. But no. Let’s blame polarization.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45210 Posts
December 21 2017 17:46 GMT
#191743
On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2017 02:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Get ready for a temper tantrum.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/943893304185360384

https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/943893172412977152

I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized.

Let your true colors show, I guess.


They're exactly the opposite... they're quite united.

United against Trump's bad call, but united nonetheless.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
December 21 2017 17:50 GMT
#191744
Yeah, that's not polarized, that's one-sided as hell. 9/137 is essentially no support at all for the decision. Stronger even, it is a near unanimous vote to disregard said decision, not to just avoid giving support or agreement.

Also statements like "we'll watch and see who votes with us" is some A-grade divisive BS. I wouldn't be surprised if those statements contributed to the vote being so one-sided.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
December 21 2017 18:03 GMT
#191745
On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2017 02:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Get ready for a temper tantrum.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/943893304185360384

https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/943893172412977152

I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized.

Let your true colors show, I guess.

6.57% of nations decided to vote with the US.

93.63% of nations thought that US was being retarded. But hey, chalk it up to polarization, rather than Trump being a colossal moron.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
December 21 2017 18:05 GMT
#191746
Anyone have a list of who voted how?

Seems like the US's most loyal sycophants generally voted "abstain" and most sane nations voted "for" but nowhere do I see a full list of actual votes.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22038 Posts
December 21 2017 18:12 GMT
#191747
On December 22 2017 03:05 LegalLord wrote:
Anyone have a list of who voted how?

Seems like the US's most loyal sycophants generally voted "abstain" and most sane nations voted "for" but nowhere do I see a full list of actual votes.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-nations-defy-trump-and-pass-jerusalem-resolution-with-large-majority/

Contains a picture of the voting record.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4884 Posts
December 21 2017 18:19 GMT
#191748
On December 22 2017 02:43 Biff The Understudy wrote:
“For those who don’t have our backs, we are taking names” said Haley.

Yeah, that’s a good idea. Try to intimidate and bully into submission further sovereign nations with more empty threats, so that we are all sure of how awful you are.

If Trump and his court of morons wanted to make appear weak, isolated and impotent, they wouldn’t do otherwise.


The resolution was condemning and trying to cancel the exercise of a sovereign nation's right.

***

Also someone said something about undermining the aca in the tax bill. You can thank John Roberts, who said it was a tax.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
December 21 2017 18:20 GMT
#191749
On December 22 2017 03:19 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2017 02:43 Biff The Understudy wrote:
“For those who don’t have our backs, we are taking names” said Haley.

Yeah, that’s a good idea. Try to intimidate and bully into submission further sovereign nations with more empty threats, so that we are all sure of how awful you are.

If Trump and his court of morons wanted to make appear weak, isolated and impotent, they wouldn’t do otherwise.


The resolution was condemning and trying to cancel the exercise of a sovereign nation's right.

***

Also someone said something about undermining the aca in the tax bill. You can thank John Roberts, who said it was a tax.

Unfortubately what you're describing is the PURPOSE of the UN. the alternative is a return to the international relations of the 1930s - which I'm not sure Trumpites are opposed to.
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
December 21 2017 18:21 GMT
#191750
On December 22 2017 03:19 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2017 02:43 Biff The Understudy wrote:
“For those who don’t have our backs, we are taking names” said Haley.

Yeah, that’s a good idea. Try to intimidate and bully into submission further sovereign nations with more empty threats, so that we are all sure of how awful you are.

If Trump and his court of morons wanted to make appear weak, isolated and impotent, they wouldn’t do otherwise.


The resolution was condemning and trying to cancel the exercise of a sovereign nation's right.

***

Also someone said something about undermining the aca in the tax bill. You can thank John Roberts, who said it was a tax.


Sovereign nations have tons of rights that should never be executed. We have a right to go to war with people, does not mean we should
Something witty
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
December 21 2017 18:22 GMT
#191751
On December 22 2017 03:21 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2017 03:19 Introvert wrote:
On December 22 2017 02:43 Biff The Understudy wrote:
“For those who don’t have our backs, we are taking names” said Haley.

Yeah, that’s a good idea. Try to intimidate and bully into submission further sovereign nations with more empty threats, so that we are all sure of how awful you are.

If Trump and his court of morons wanted to make appear weak, isolated and impotent, they wouldn’t do otherwise.


The resolution was condemning and trying to cancel the exercise of a sovereign nation's right.

***

Also someone said something about undermining the aca in the tax bill. You can thank John Roberts, who said it was a tax.


Sovereign nations have tons of rights that should never be executed. We have a right to go to war with people, does not mean we should

Actually one of the most significant successes of the UN, and one that is also being eroded away, was that they made war illegal.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23571 Posts
December 21 2017 18:32 GMT
#191752
Seems like the votes line up pretty well with the same countries that recognize a Palestinian state.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
December 21 2017 18:34 GMT
#191753
On December 22 2017 02:40 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:
On December 22 2017 02:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Get ready for a temper tantrum.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/943893304185360384

https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/943893172412977152

I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized.

Let your true colors show, I guess.


What are you talking about? The whole world (minus 9 I guess) Think this is a horrible call. This does not strike me as anything but the world going 'hold your shit, thats a bad call'

Okay, that the UN was so united against Israel and their historical claims on the city of Jerusalem.

On December 22 2017 03:03 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:
On December 22 2017 02:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Get ready for a temper tantrum.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/943893304185360384

https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/943893172412977152

I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized.

Let your true colors show, I guess.

6.57% of nations decided to vote with the US.

93.63% of nations thought that US was being retarded. But hey, chalk it up to polarization, rather than Trump being a colossal moron.

Lol. You need to recount how the nations voted.

This will absolutely diminish the UN. And just the phrasing to pretend they had the authority to declare the US's recognition "null and void?" Yeah, opposition, show your true stripes, sure.





I've very proud of how Haley acquitted herself and Trump's decision in general. Any peace deal must include Israel's continued presence in Jerusalem, and the Palestinians must accept that if they ever want peace.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
December 21 2017 18:35 GMT
#191754
It will only diminish the UN because the nationalist lunatic leading the US is actively trying to undermine the UN.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-21 18:36:40
December 21 2017 18:36 GMT
#191755
It's almost like the UN doesn't want to reward illegal settlements that show absolutely no sign of stopping ever
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23571 Posts
December 21 2017 18:37 GMT
#191756
On December 22 2017 03:34 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2017 02:40 IyMoon wrote:
On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:
On December 22 2017 02:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Get ready for a temper tantrum.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/943893304185360384

https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/943893172412977152

I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized.

Let your true colors show, I guess.


What are you talking about? The whole world (minus 9 I guess) Think this is a horrible call. This does not strike me as anything but the world going 'hold your shit, thats a bad call'

Okay, that the UN was so united against Israel and their historical claims on the city of Jerusalem.

Show nested quote +
On December 22 2017 03:03 Amui wrote:
On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:
On December 22 2017 02:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Get ready for a temper tantrum.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/943893304185360384

https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/943893172412977152

I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized.

Let your true colors show, I guess.

6.57% of nations decided to vote with the US.

93.63% of nations thought that US was being retarded. But hey, chalk it up to polarization, rather than Trump being a colossal moron.

Lol. You need to recount how the nations voted.

This will absolutely diminish the UN. And just the phrasing to pretend they had the authority to declare the US's recognition "null and void?" Yeah, opposition, show your true stripes, sure.

https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/943874473266094081

https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/943790490587226112

I've very proud of how Haley acquitted herself and Trump's decision in general. Any peace deal must include Israel's continued presence in Jerusalem, and the Palestinians must accept that if they ever want peace.


Subjugation isn't peace. If they are to share, they must share as equals.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14073 Posts
December 21 2017 18:39 GMT
#191757
On December 22 2017 03:37 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2017 03:34 Danglars wrote:
On December 22 2017 02:40 IyMoon wrote:
On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:
On December 22 2017 02:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Get ready for a temper tantrum.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/943893304185360384

https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/943893172412977152

I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized.

Let your true colors show, I guess.


What are you talking about? The whole world (minus 9 I guess) Think this is a horrible call. This does not strike me as anything but the world going 'hold your shit, thats a bad call'

Okay, that the UN was so united against Israel and their historical claims on the city of Jerusalem.

On December 22 2017 03:03 Amui wrote:
On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:
On December 22 2017 02:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Get ready for a temper tantrum.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/943893304185360384

https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/943893172412977152

I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized.

Let your true colors show, I guess.

6.57% of nations decided to vote with the US.

93.63% of nations thought that US was being retarded. But hey, chalk it up to polarization, rather than Trump being a colossal moron.

Lol. You need to recount how the nations voted.

This will absolutely diminish the UN. And just the phrasing to pretend they had the authority to declare the US's recognition "null and void?" Yeah, opposition, show your true stripes, sure.

https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/943874473266094081

https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/943790490587226112

I've very proud of how Haley acquitted herself and Trump's decision in general. Any peace deal must include Israel's continued presence in Jerusalem, and the Palestinians must accept that if they ever want peace.


Subjugation isn't peace. If they are to share, they must share as equals.

You should let the Palestinians know that. Its not like they've ever shown any intent in shareing.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
December 21 2017 18:42 GMT
#191758
On December 22 2017 03:39 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2017 03:37 GreenHorizons wrote:
On December 22 2017 03:34 Danglars wrote:
On December 22 2017 02:40 IyMoon wrote:
On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:
On December 22 2017 02:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Get ready for a temper tantrum.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/943893304185360384

https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/943893172412977152

I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized.

Let your true colors show, I guess.


What are you talking about? The whole world (minus 9 I guess) Think this is a horrible call. This does not strike me as anything but the world going 'hold your shit, thats a bad call'

Okay, that the UN was so united against Israel and their historical claims on the city of Jerusalem.

On December 22 2017 03:03 Amui wrote:
On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:
On December 22 2017 02:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Get ready for a temper tantrum.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/943893304185360384

https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/943893172412977152

I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized.

Let your true colors show, I guess.

6.57% of nations decided to vote with the US.

93.63% of nations thought that US was being retarded. But hey, chalk it up to polarization, rather than Trump being a colossal moron.

Lol. You need to recount how the nations voted.

This will absolutely diminish the UN. And just the phrasing to pretend they had the authority to declare the US's recognition "null and void?" Yeah, opposition, show your true stripes, sure.

https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/943874473266094081

https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/943790490587226112

I've very proud of how Haley acquitted herself and Trump's decision in general. Any peace deal must include Israel's continued presence in Jerusalem, and the Palestinians must accept that if they ever want peace.


Subjugation isn't peace. If they are to share, they must share as equals.

You should let the Palestinians know that. Its not like they've ever shown any intent in shareing.

In fairness, why should they have done? Their country was suddenly chopped up and given away by British diplomats, it's not like they chose this.
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
December 21 2017 18:44 GMT
#191759
On December 22 2017 03:39 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2017 03:37 GreenHorizons wrote:
On December 22 2017 03:34 Danglars wrote:
On December 22 2017 02:40 IyMoon wrote:
On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:
On December 22 2017 02:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Get ready for a temper tantrum.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/943893304185360384

https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/943893172412977152

I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized.

Let your true colors show, I guess.


What are you talking about? The whole world (minus 9 I guess) Think this is a horrible call. This does not strike me as anything but the world going 'hold your shit, thats a bad call'

Okay, that the UN was so united against Israel and their historical claims on the city of Jerusalem.

On December 22 2017 03:03 Amui wrote:
On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:
On December 22 2017 02:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Get ready for a temper tantrum.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/943893304185360384

https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/943893172412977152

I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized.

Let your true colors show, I guess.

6.57% of nations decided to vote with the US.

93.63% of nations thought that US was being retarded. But hey, chalk it up to polarization, rather than Trump being a colossal moron.

Lol. You need to recount how the nations voted.

This will absolutely diminish the UN. And just the phrasing to pretend they had the authority to declare the US's recognition "null and void?" Yeah, opposition, show your true stripes, sure.

https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/943874473266094081

https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/943790490587226112

I've very proud of how Haley acquitted herself and Trump's decision in general. Any peace deal must include Israel's continued presence in Jerusalem, and the Palestinians must accept that if they ever want peace.


Subjugation isn't peace. If they are to share, they must share as equals.

You should let the Palestinians know that. Its not like they've ever shown any intent in shareing.


*Isreal aggressively colonises vast swatches of Palestine*
"Why won't you just learn to SHARE?!"

Lordy.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14073 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-21 18:47:56
December 21 2017 18:46 GMT
#191760
On December 22 2017 03:42 kollin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2017 03:39 Sermokala wrote:
On December 22 2017 03:37 GreenHorizons wrote:
On December 22 2017 03:34 Danglars wrote:
On December 22 2017 02:40 IyMoon wrote:
On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:
On December 22 2017 02:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Get ready for a temper tantrum.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/943893304185360384

https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/943893172412977152

I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized.

Let your true colors show, I guess.


What are you talking about? The whole world (minus 9 I guess) Think this is a horrible call. This does not strike me as anything but the world going 'hold your shit, thats a bad call'

Okay, that the UN was so united against Israel and their historical claims on the city of Jerusalem.

On December 22 2017 03:03 Amui wrote:
On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:
On December 22 2017 02:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Get ready for a temper tantrum.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/943893304185360384

https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/943893172412977152

I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized.

Let your true colors show, I guess.

6.57% of nations decided to vote with the US.

93.63% of nations thought that US was being retarded. But hey, chalk it up to polarization, rather than Trump being a colossal moron.

Lol. You need to recount how the nations voted.

This will absolutely diminish the UN. And just the phrasing to pretend they had the authority to declare the US's recognition "null and void?" Yeah, opposition, show your true stripes, sure.

https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/943874473266094081

https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/943790490587226112

I've very proud of how Haley acquitted herself and Trump's decision in general. Any peace deal must include Israel's continued presence in Jerusalem, and the Palestinians must accept that if they ever want peace.


Subjugation isn't peace. If they are to share, they must share as equals.

You should let the Palestinians know that. Its not like they've ever shown any intent in shareing.

In fairness, why should they have done? Their country was suddenly chopped up and given away by British diplomats, it's not like they chose this.

Pakistani's had their country chopped up and given away by British diplomats but they don't vote in politicians promising to throw the hindu people into the sea.
On December 22 2017 03:44 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2017 03:39 Sermokala wrote:
On December 22 2017 03:37 GreenHorizons wrote:
On December 22 2017 03:34 Danglars wrote:
On December 22 2017 02:40 IyMoon wrote:
On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:
On December 22 2017 02:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Get ready for a temper tantrum.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/943893304185360384

https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/943893172412977152

I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized.

Let your true colors show, I guess.


What are you talking about? The whole world (minus 9 I guess) Think this is a horrible call. This does not strike me as anything but the world going 'hold your shit, thats a bad call'

Okay, that the UN was so united against Israel and their historical claims on the city of Jerusalem.

On December 22 2017 03:03 Amui wrote:
On December 22 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:
On December 22 2017 02:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Get ready for a temper tantrum.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/943893304185360384

https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/943893172412977152

I didn’t know the UN was quite that polarized.

Let your true colors show, I guess.

6.57% of nations decided to vote with the US.

93.63% of nations thought that US was being retarded. But hey, chalk it up to polarization, rather than Trump being a colossal moron.

Lol. You need to recount how the nations voted.

This will absolutely diminish the UN. And just the phrasing to pretend they had the authority to declare the US's recognition "null and void?" Yeah, opposition, show your true stripes, sure.

https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/943874473266094081

https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/943790490587226112

I've very proud of how Haley acquitted herself and Trump's decision in general. Any peace deal must include Israel's continued presence in Jerusalem, and the Palestinians must accept that if they ever want peace.


Subjugation isn't peace. If they are to share, they must share as equals.

You should let the Palestinians know that. Its not like they've ever shown any intent in shareing.


*Isreal aggressively colonises vast swatches of Palestine*
"Why won't you just learn to SHARE?!"

Lordy.

Do you have any evidence that the Palestinians have offered peace terms of any degree?

I'm legitimatly curious beacuse I've never seen any and I would genuinely change my view of the issue if they ever had.
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