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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22121 Posts
December 01 2017 20:22 GMT
#187701
On December 02 2017 05:21 mozoku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2017 05:16 KwarK wrote:
On December 02 2017 05:13 mozoku wrote:
On December 02 2017 05:00 KwarK wrote:
On December 02 2017 04:45 mozoku wrote:
I take a very skeptical prior on any "bombs" concerning Trump-Russia. It feels like I've seen this movie 10 times by now. We'll see.

?
The reason we've seen it 10 times is because there actually have already been a series of bombs.

You don't get to accuse the other side of crying wolf when each time they cried wolf there was an actual wolf attacking the flock. That's not how crying wolf works.

Yeah like that dossier right?

That was a real dossier given to McCain from a British intelligence officer. We have no way of verifying the contents ourselves yet but yes, the dossier really happened. Trump Jr., Flynn, Sessions, Kushner, Pence, Page, Manafort, and Stone represent a good collection of wolves too.

Yeah, except you left out the part that it was funded by the Clinton campaign (and the GOP before that) lol.

How does that change the fact that it exists and a number of things in it have been proven true?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
December 01 2017 20:27 GMT
#187702
over/ under odds on pee tape?
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
December 01 2017 20:30 GMT
#187703
January 24: Flynn lies to FBI
January 26: Yates warns White House
January 27: Trump calls Comey to the White House and asks him to let the Flynn matter go


Allow me to repeat that Trump called Comey to the White House and asked him for loyalty the same day George P lied to the FBI.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
December 01 2017 20:32 GMT
#187704
On December 02 2017 05:21 mozoku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2017 05:16 KwarK wrote:
On December 02 2017 05:13 mozoku wrote:
On December 02 2017 05:00 KwarK wrote:
On December 02 2017 04:45 mozoku wrote:
I take a very skeptical prior on any "bombs" concerning Trump-Russia. It feels like I've seen this movie 10 times by now. We'll see.

?
The reason we've seen it 10 times is because there actually have already been a series of bombs.

You don't get to accuse the other side of crying wolf when each time they cried wolf there was an actual wolf attacking the flock. That's not how crying wolf works.

Yeah like that dossier right?

That was a real dossier given to McCain from a British intelligence officer. We have no way of verifying the contents ourselves yet but yes, the dossier really happened. Trump Jr., Flynn, Sessions, Kushner, Pence, Page, Manafort, and Stone represent a good collection of wolves too.

Yeah, except you left out the part that it was funded by the Clinton campaign (and the GOP before that) lol.

Not sure if you understand how private investigators work, but yes, generally they get paid by people wanting someone else investigated.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35171 Posts
December 01 2017 20:34 GMT
#187705
On December 02 2017 05:27 ticklishmusic wrote:
over/ under odds on pee tape?

Funny you say that: http://mashable.com/2017/07/31/trump-paddy-power-bookie/#cB52RAWeuZqh

Odds of it both being real AND released this year is14/1.
mozoku
Profile Joined September 2012
United States708 Posts
December 01 2017 20:37 GMT
#187706
Except the dossier has been essentially confirmed to be mostly false. That's not investigation. Only you guys would be so blinded by partisanship that you can't see anything wrong with paying someone to make up a bunch of fake claims about your political enemies and release it to the public, and then call it an "investigation."

And then insist that you've actually been correctly crying wolf each time after that debacle.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43643 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-01 20:40:28
December 01 2017 20:38 GMT
#187707
On December 02 2017 05:21 mozoku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2017 05:16 KwarK wrote:
On December 02 2017 05:13 mozoku wrote:
On December 02 2017 05:00 KwarK wrote:
On December 02 2017 04:45 mozoku wrote:
I take a very skeptical prior on any "bombs" concerning Trump-Russia. It feels like I've seen this movie 10 times by now. We'll see.

?
The reason we've seen it 10 times is because there actually have already been a series of bombs.

You don't get to accuse the other side of crying wolf when each time they cried wolf there was an actual wolf attacking the flock. That's not how crying wolf works.

Yeah like that dossier right?

That was a real dossier given to McCain from a British intelligence officer. We have no way of verifying the contents ourselves yet but yes, the dossier really happened. Trump Jr., Flynn, Sessions, Kushner, Pence, Page, Manafort, and Stone represent a good collection of wolves too.

Yeah, except you left out the part that it was funded by the Clinton campaign (and the GOP before that) lol.

Nice deflection

"none of that stuff is real"

"what about this list of stuff that is real"

"yeah but what about the dossier"

"the dossier is also real"

"yeah, but Clinton"

And of course no comment on Trump Jr., Flynn, Sessions, Kushner, Pence, Page, Manafort, and Stone.

If you were a shepherd you'd have no sheep left by now.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
December 01 2017 20:39 GMT
#187708
On December 02 2017 05:37 mozoku wrote:
Except the dossier has been essentially confirmed to be mostly false. That's not investigation. Only you guys would be so blinded by partisanship that you can't see anything wrong with paying someone to make up a bunch of fake claims about your political enemies and release it to the public, and then call it an "investigation."

And then insist that you've actually been correctly crying wolf each time after that debacle.

Citation needed
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22121 Posts
December 01 2017 20:40 GMT
#187709
On December 02 2017 05:37 mozoku wrote:
Except the dossier has been essentially confirmed to be mostly false. That's not investigation. Only you guys would be so blinded by partisanship that you can't see anything wrong with paying someone to make up a bunch of fake claims about your political enemies and release it to the public, and then call it an "investigation."

And then insist that you've actually been correctly crying wolf each time after that debacle.

Parts of the dossier being Russian fed counter intelligence doesn't invalidate the rest of it.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
December 01 2017 20:42 GMT
#187710
On December 02 2017 05:37 mozoku wrote:
Except the dossier has been essentially confirmed to be mostly false. That's not investigation. Only you guys would be so blinded by partisanship that you can't see anything wrong with paying someone to make up a bunch of fake claims about your political enemies and release it to the public, and then call it an "investigation."

And then insist that you've actually been correctly crying wolf each time after that debacle.

Okay, cool then, so everyone complaining about the failure to mark the funds for "opposition research" need to change their tune, since it was just commissioning a fiction novella. Maybe ask for a libel suit instead.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-01 20:47:06
December 01 2017 20:46 GMT
#187711
On December 02 2017 05:37 mozoku wrote:
Except the dossier has been essentially confirmed to be mostly false. That's not investigation. Only you guys would be so blinded by partisanship that you can't see anything wrong with paying someone to make up a bunch of fake claims about your political enemies and release it to the public, and then call it an "investigation."

And then insist that you've actually been correctly crying wolf each time after that debacle.


It’s pretty funny that you called other people “blindly partisan” immediately after claiming that the dossier has been “confirmed to be mostly false.” Even though the dossier has not been confirmed either way.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
December 01 2017 20:46 GMT
#187712
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-01 20:49:48
December 01 2017 20:48 GMT
#187713
On December 02 2017 05:37 mozoku wrote:
Except the dossier has been essentially confirmed to be mostly false. That's not investigation. Only you guys would be so blinded by partisanship that you can't see anything wrong with paying someone to make up a bunch of fake claims about your political enemies and release it to the public, and then call it an "investigation."

And then insist that you've actually been correctly crying wolf each time after that debacle.

You've been duped by whatever fake news you have been getting your information from. There is hope for you though. You can change your information sources and become more well informed.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
December 01 2017 20:53 GMT
#187714
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9638 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-01 20:59:18
December 01 2017 20:57 GMT
#187715
apparently Flake is on board for the tax hike. he allegedly agreed if there were provisions for permanent protections to DACA recipients.

seems like the GOP can’t say one thing without going back on it. and yet people vote for them. Get Flake to be a hypocrite by folding on your immigration promises. good stuff. well done.

at least Flake got something done at the low cost of his integrity. not the worst way to go out.
mozoku
Profile Joined September 2012
United States708 Posts
December 01 2017 20:58 GMT
#187716
On December 02 2017 05:38 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2017 05:21 mozoku wrote:
On December 02 2017 05:16 KwarK wrote:
On December 02 2017 05:13 mozoku wrote:
On December 02 2017 05:00 KwarK wrote:
On December 02 2017 04:45 mozoku wrote:
I take a very skeptical prior on any "bombs" concerning Trump-Russia. It feels like I've seen this movie 10 times by now. We'll see.

?
The reason we've seen it 10 times is because there actually have already been a series of bombs.

You don't get to accuse the other side of crying wolf when each time they cried wolf there was an actual wolf attacking the flock. That's not how crying wolf works.

Yeah like that dossier right?

That was a real dossier given to McCain from a British intelligence officer. We have no way of verifying the contents ourselves yet but yes, the dossier really happened. Trump Jr., Flynn, Sessions, Kushner, Pence, Page, Manafort, and Stone represent a good collection of wolves too.

Yeah, except you left out the part that it was funded by the Clinton campaign (and the GOP before that) lol.

Nice deflection

"none of that stuff is real"

"what about this list of stuff that is real"

"yeah but what about the dossier"

"the dossier is also real"

"yeah, but Clinton"

And of course no comment on Trump Jr., Flynn, Sessions, Kushner, Pence, Page, Manafort, and Stone.

If you were a shepherd you'd have no sheep left by now.

My bad, didn't know I was expected to bring up an itemized list of thirty presumptions of "This is the end for Trump this time!" only to be followed up by business as usual the next week. I figured you could put two and two together yourself. I'm at work, I'm not about to write you a novel.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22121 Posts
December 01 2017 21:02 GMT
#187717
On December 02 2017 05:58 mozoku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2017 05:38 KwarK wrote:
On December 02 2017 05:21 mozoku wrote:
On December 02 2017 05:16 KwarK wrote:
On December 02 2017 05:13 mozoku wrote:
On December 02 2017 05:00 KwarK wrote:
On December 02 2017 04:45 mozoku wrote:
I take a very skeptical prior on any "bombs" concerning Trump-Russia. It feels like I've seen this movie 10 times by now. We'll see.

?
The reason we've seen it 10 times is because there actually have already been a series of bombs.

You don't get to accuse the other side of crying wolf when each time they cried wolf there was an actual wolf attacking the flock. That's not how crying wolf works.

Yeah like that dossier right?

That was a real dossier given to McCain from a British intelligence officer. We have no way of verifying the contents ourselves yet but yes, the dossier really happened. Trump Jr., Flynn, Sessions, Kushner, Pence, Page, Manafort, and Stone represent a good collection of wolves too.

Yeah, except you left out the part that it was funded by the Clinton campaign (and the GOP before that) lol.

Nice deflection

"none of that stuff is real"

"what about this list of stuff that is real"

"yeah but what about the dossier"

"the dossier is also real"

"yeah, but Clinton"

And of course no comment on Trump Jr., Flynn, Sessions, Kushner, Pence, Page, Manafort, and Stone.

If you were a shepherd you'd have no sheep left by now.

My bad, didn't know I was expected to bring up an itemized list of thirty presumptions of "This is the end for Trump this time!" only to be followed up by business as usual the next week. I figured you could put two and two together yourself. I'm at work, I'm not about to write you a novel.

No one here is thinking Trump is done 'this week' or month.
Its a long road ahead but Flynn providing the investigation with evidence is a big big step forward.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
December 01 2017 21:03 GMT
#187718
On December 02 2017 05:58 mozoku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2017 05:38 KwarK wrote:
On December 02 2017 05:21 mozoku wrote:
On December 02 2017 05:16 KwarK wrote:
On December 02 2017 05:13 mozoku wrote:
On December 02 2017 05:00 KwarK wrote:
On December 02 2017 04:45 mozoku wrote:
I take a very skeptical prior on any "bombs" concerning Trump-Russia. It feels like I've seen this movie 10 times by now. We'll see.

?
The reason we've seen it 10 times is because there actually have already been a series of bombs.

You don't get to accuse the other side of crying wolf when each time they cried wolf there was an actual wolf attacking the flock. That's not how crying wolf works.

Yeah like that dossier right?

That was a real dossier given to McCain from a British intelligence officer. We have no way of verifying the contents ourselves yet but yes, the dossier really happened. Trump Jr., Flynn, Sessions, Kushner, Pence, Page, Manafort, and Stone represent a good collection of wolves too.

Yeah, except you left out the part that it was funded by the Clinton campaign (and the GOP before that) lol.

Nice deflection

"none of that stuff is real"

"what about this list of stuff that is real"

"yeah but what about the dossier"

"the dossier is also real"

"yeah, but Clinton"

And of course no comment on Trump Jr., Flynn, Sessions, Kushner, Pence, Page, Manafort, and Stone.

If you were a shepherd you'd have no sheep left by now.

My bad, didn't know I was expected to bring up an itemized list of thirty presumptions of "This is the end for Trump this time!" only to be followed up by business as usual the next week. I figured you could put two and two together yourself. I'm at work, I'm not about to write you a novel.


No one has ever said Trump will be gone next week. You're creating an extremely silly strawman. People have celebrated the walls closing in because there has been significant progress. Keep in mind Flynn was attending top level national security meetings earlier this year. You're acting as if nothing major has taken place.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43643 Posts
December 01 2017 21:04 GMT
#187719
On December 02 2017 05:58 mozoku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2017 05:38 KwarK wrote:
On December 02 2017 05:21 mozoku wrote:
On December 02 2017 05:16 KwarK wrote:
On December 02 2017 05:13 mozoku wrote:
On December 02 2017 05:00 KwarK wrote:
On December 02 2017 04:45 mozoku wrote:
I take a very skeptical prior on any "bombs" concerning Trump-Russia. It feels like I've seen this movie 10 times by now. We'll see.

?
The reason we've seen it 10 times is because there actually have already been a series of bombs.

You don't get to accuse the other side of crying wolf when each time they cried wolf there was an actual wolf attacking the flock. That's not how crying wolf works.

Yeah like that dossier right?

That was a real dossier given to McCain from a British intelligence officer. We have no way of verifying the contents ourselves yet but yes, the dossier really happened. Trump Jr., Flynn, Sessions, Kushner, Pence, Page, Manafort, and Stone represent a good collection of wolves too.

Yeah, except you left out the part that it was funded by the Clinton campaign (and the GOP before that) lol.

Nice deflection

"none of that stuff is real"

"what about this list of stuff that is real"

"yeah but what about the dossier"

"the dossier is also real"

"yeah, but Clinton"

And of course no comment on Trump Jr., Flynn, Sessions, Kushner, Pence, Page, Manafort, and Stone.

If you were a shepherd you'd have no sheep left by now.

My bad, didn't know I was expected to bring up an itemized list of thirty presumptions of "This is the end for Trump this time!" only to be followed up by business as usual the next week. I figured you could put two and two together yourself. I'm at work, I'm not about to write you a novel.

I can put two and two together. These were real bombs that landed. Hell, some of them have already plead guilty. You can't insist that it's crying wolf when we've caught the wolves.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
doomdonker
Profile Joined October 2017
90 Posts
December 01 2017 21:05 GMT
#187720
Just because the Republicans are spineless and the US political system is outdated and terrible compared to the majority of other Western capitalist nations when it comes to disposing a leader and getting legislation through doesn’t mean the dossier is fanfiction written by Chelsea Clinton at age 15.
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