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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
December 01 2017 17:10 GMT
#187641
On the one hand it is not much of a surprise that Trump directed Flynn to "contact" the Russians. Trump has previously said, in regards to Flynn's phone calls with Kislyak where he said Russia shouldn't worry about Obama's latest sanctions, that Flynn was "doing his job." So Trump straight up endorsed that action by Flynn. Trump has made no secret of his enthusiasm for concessions to Russia. The only question is whether there's something deeper at play.

But the simple fact that Flynn is cooperating for the sake of the "country" is huge.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-01 17:14:00
December 01 2017 17:13 GMT
#187642
On December 02 2017 01:53 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2017 01:48 LegalLord wrote:
Personally I can’t say it’s my job I’m worried about. Recessions sting but they hurt the most vulnerable people the most. I don’t think I’m there at all. It’s more a problem for the country as a whole than personally.

But goddamn, don’t be such a drama queen about daily fluctuations in the Dow. It just hit 24k for the first time ever so a quick drop after months of rapid growth isn’t really a worry yet. Wait till something actually frightening happens rather than being a doomsayer all day.


It going upandupabdup is frightening enough on its own.

No disagreement there.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
December 01 2017 17:19 GMT
#187643
https://www.justice.gov/file/1015121/download

charges
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 01 2017 17:21 GMT
#187644
Right now Trump doesn't seem to be the focus but his immediate family such as Jr. and especially Kushner.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
December 01 2017 17:22 GMT
#187645


And he specifically asked Comey to drop the Flynn investigation. He also met with Comey and asked him for loyalty the same day George P lied to the FBI in an interview.

The totality of Trump’s vice and corruption is really something to behold. The notion that Republican voters argue there’s some benefit provided by Trump that comes anywhere close to justifying his presidency is a pox on their entire philosophy.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9036 Posts
December 01 2017 17:22 GMT
#187646
On December 02 2017 02:08 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:

Comey is sipping the finest of teas right now.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 01 2017 17:23 GMT
#187647
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22121 Posts
December 01 2017 17:23 GMT
#187648
On December 02 2017 02:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Right now Trump doesn't seem to be the focus but his immediate family such as Jr. and especially Kushner.

They likely got Flynn by getting evidence that could put his son in jail. Makes sense to go after Trumps kids to get the man himself.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9036 Posts
December 01 2017 17:25 GMT
#187649
On December 02 2017 02:23 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2017 02:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Right now Trump doesn't seem to be the focus but his immediate family such as Jr. and especially Kushner.

They likely got Flynn by getting evidence that could put his son in jail. Makes sense to go after Trumps kids to get the man himself.

We all know Ivanka is the only trump kid that would get protection. Everyone else would just suffer.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
December 01 2017 17:29 GMT
#187650
On December 02 2017 02:23 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2017 02:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Right now Trump doesn't seem to be the focus but his immediate family such as Jr. and especially Kushner.

They likely got Flynn by getting evidence that could put his son in jail. Makes sense to go after Trumps kids to get the man himself.

Trump has shown himself to drive the bus when he leaves people behind. Can't really see his kids apart from maybe Ivanka doing anything to Trump himself.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
December 01 2017 17:31 GMT
#187651
On December 02 2017 02:22 Doodsmack wrote:
https://twitter.com/natashabertrand/status/936432311725445120

And he specifically asked Comey to drop the Flynn investigation. He also met with Comey and asked him for loyalty the same day George P lied to the FBI in an interview.

The totality of Trump’s vice and corruption is really something to behold. The notion that Republican voters argue there’s some benefit provided by Trump that comes anywhere close to justifying his presidency is a pox on their entire philosophy.


Flynn definitely has real and substantial dirt on both the campaign and administration. Trump has cast aside or refused to defend every other person being charged. His obsession with Flynn being left alone, coupled with that breaking report that the inner circle of the White House says this is "very very very bad," give good reason to believe that not only does Flynn have killer testimony, he also has evidence to back it up.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
December 01 2017 17:31 GMT
#187652
On December 02 2017 01:23 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2017 01:17 Danglars wrote:


The sixth time’s the charm, as they say


You would prefer to pay $30K+/yr and force him to stay in the US?

I would prefer he spend the next two years practicing pole vaulting in Mexico.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-01 17:32:17
December 01 2017 17:31 GMT
#187653
Tillerson is on the way out of State Dept. Cotton to CIA.

In short Trump and the GOP ARE going to pull the War card in hopes of keeping their heads.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23672 Posts
December 01 2017 17:40 GMT
#187654
On December 02 2017 02:31 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2017 01:23 GreenHorizons wrote:
On December 02 2017 01:17 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/ap/status/936434351599996929

The sixth time’s the charm, as they say


You would prefer to pay $30K+/yr and force him to stay in the US?

I would prefer he spend the next two years practicing pole vaulting in Mexico.


So they are doing what you want by deporting him. That was just a very roundabout way of displaying frustration with Trumps complete inability to make even the slightest hint of progress regarding his inexplicably dumb wall?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
December 01 2017 17:41 GMT
#187655
Comey's tweet is just amazing
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
December 01 2017 17:41 GMT
#187656
On December 02 2017 01:42 Sermokala wrote:
I'm pretty sure danglers is bemoaning that the deportations arnt effective and he'll get in again like he did the other times he was deported. Its really not that much to come to these broad conclusions guys.

The current president brought the families of victims of deported illegal alien violence on stage and used the campaign stop to talk about a big, beautiful wall. It shouldn’t be rocket science.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9036 Posts
December 01 2017 17:42 GMT
#187657
On December 02 2017 02:31 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Tillerson is on the way out of State Dept. Cotton to CIA.

In short Trump and the GOP ARE going to pull the War card in hopes of keeping their heads.

Explain your last sentence please?
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10854 Posts
December 01 2017 17:43 GMT
#187658
So.. If trump falls, it is this?

Or are you just overreacting?
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
December 01 2017 17:44 GMT
#187659
On December 02 2017 02:41 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2017 01:42 Sermokala wrote:
I'm pretty sure danglers is bemoaning that the deportations arnt effective and he'll get in again like he did the other times he was deported. Its really not that much to come to these broad conclusions guys.

The current president brought the families of victims of deported illegal alien violence on stage and used the campaign stop to talk about a big, beautiful wall. It shouldn’t be rocket science.

I'd have done a far better job at securing the border than trump admittedly that's still a very low standard to beat.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
December 01 2017 17:44 GMT
#187660
On December 02 2017 02:42 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2017 02:31 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Tillerson is on the way out of State Dept. Cotton to CIA.

In short Trump and the GOP ARE going to pull the War card in hopes of keeping their heads.

Explain your last sentence please?

he's saying they will start a war to rally support; ala the movie "wag the dog"
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
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