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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13818 Posts
December 01 2017 16:42 GMT
#187621
I'm pretty sure danglers is bemoaning that the deportations arnt effective and he'll get in again like he did the other times he was deported. Its really not that much to come to these broad conclusions guys.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15479 Posts
December 01 2017 16:42 GMT
#187622
On December 02 2017 01:39 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2017 01:31 pmh wrote:
It would be something if they would get rid of trump right after passing the tax bill. Its probably a very remote possibility but still it did cross my mind.
Or maybe it is used to pressure the republicans who still have doubts about the bill "better pass it now because we wont get another shot"
I dunno,usa politics is weird these days.


Nah, any impeachment process works incredibly slowly (and this doesn't seem to be a huge watershed as far as initiating that process would go) and in the incredibly unlikely event of a Trump resignation Pence is just as, if not more, likely to pass a bill they want passed.


Given the fact that Flynn was communicating back and forth with the transition team while chatting with Russia, I can't help but wonder if Pence is properly insulated.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23010 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-01 16:44:08
December 01 2017 16:43 GMT
#187623
They don't need this tax bill to last either. If they can pass it and keep it through the 2018 elections then the big bipartisan part of it (tax holiday for offshore money) can get through and done. Ironically what you end up with is an even sweeter deal for corporations with money off shore.

They get to bring all their money back 0 strings attached, plus they can go back to stashing it for another sweeter holiday in the future then both parties can point at each other for screwing it up and the corps laugh all the way to the bank.

On December 02 2017 01:42 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2017 01:39 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On December 02 2017 01:31 pmh wrote:
It would be something if they would get rid of trump right after passing the tax bill. Its probably a very remote possibility but still it did cross my mind.
Or maybe it is used to pressure the republicans who still have doubts about the bill "better pass it now because we wont get another shot"
I dunno,usa politics is weird these days.


Nah, any impeachment process works incredibly slowly (and this doesn't seem to be a huge watershed as far as initiating that process would go) and in the incredibly unlikely event of a Trump resignation Pence is just as, if not more, likely to pass a bill they want passed.


Given the fact that Flynn was communicating back and forth with the transition team while chatting with Russia, I can't help but wonder if Pence is properly insulated.


If they were women Russians he's probably safe
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42295 Posts
December 01 2017 16:44 GMT
#187624
On December 02 2017 01:42 Sermokala wrote:
I'm pretty sure danglers is bemoaning that the deportations arnt effective and he'll get in again like he did the other times he was deported. Its really not that much to come to these broad conclusions guys.

Sure, but why would you fix bad border security but not deporting illegal immigrants? That's like solving a leaky boat by keeping the water on the inside.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
December 01 2017 16:45 GMT
#187625
This revelation could definitely explain Trumps Twitter-tantrums these last few days...
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
December 01 2017 16:48 GMT
#187626
Personally I can’t say it’s my job I’m worried about. Recessions sting but they hurt the most vulnerable people the most. I don’t think I’m there at all. It’s more a problem for the country as a whole than personally.

But goddamn, don’t be such a drama queen about daily fluctuations in the Dow. It just hit 24k for the first time ever so a quick drop after months of rapid growth isn’t really a worry yet. Wait till something actually frightening happens rather than being a doomsayer all day.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
December 01 2017 16:48 GMT
#187627
On December 02 2017 01:34 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2017 01:26 KwarK wrote:
On December 02 2017 01:25 biology]major wrote:
On December 02 2017 01:23 GreenHorizons wrote:
On December 02 2017 01:17 Danglars wrote:


The sixth time’s the charm, as they say


You would prefer to pay $30K+/yr and force him to stay in the US?


No we would prefer if he couldn't come back

Sure, but those are two separate issues. If border security is bad then that's a reason to improve border security, not to keep illegal immigrants in the country.


Ok, keep in mind trump is gonna tap into the anger and frustration around this case for 2020 for his own personal gain. He's going to really abuse this girl's death to ignite his base and brand everyone who disagrees with him as "weak", to which the dems will fall into quite easily

Trump has already chosen to tap and inflame his voter base. I don't really see how deciding not to deport him would change anything. If anything choosing to not deport him would cause Trump and his followers to go crazy even more.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
December 01 2017 16:52 GMT
#187628

AHHAHAHAHHHAA
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10650 Posts
December 01 2017 16:53 GMT
#187629
On December 02 2017 01:48 LegalLord wrote:
Personally I can’t say it’s my job I’m worried about. Recessions sting but they hurt the most vulnerable people the most. I don’t think I’m there at all. It’s more a problem for the country as a whole than personally.

But goddamn, don’t be such a drama queen about daily fluctuations in the Dow. It just hit 24k for the first time ever so a quick drop after months of rapid growth isn’t really a worry yet. Wait till something actually frightening happens rather than being a doomsayer all day.


It going upandupabdup is frightening enough on its own.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23010 Posts
December 01 2017 16:53 GMT
#187630
I think people are feeling like they got John Dean when they really got Scooter Libby, but maybe Republicans think there's going to be something in here deep enough to change constituents minds.

Danglars already showed he thought Trump lying his face off about a tax bill meant to help himself and his billionaire peers by taking advantage of less fortunate hard working Americans was acceptable. I doubt Trump talking to Russia through proxies is going to mean much.

So then we arrive at the same problem we had before this all started. Who are the 13+ Republican Senators that sac their job to impeach Trump?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 01 2017 16:54 GMT
#187631
2017, when anything is possible. Including Trump telling Flynn to contact the Russians.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21553 Posts
December 01 2017 16:55 GMT
#187632
On December 02 2017 01:22 pmh wrote:
Panic! ha ha. The ticker cant keep up.

Is it that bad if trump did direct him? it kinda is separate from Flynn lying about it. Maybe there where valid reasons for contacting the rusians?

Trump directing him is willful collusion rather then a dumb unwilling recipient.

Yes its a big deal.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 01 2017 16:55 GMT
#187633
On December 02 2017 01:52 ahswtini wrote:
https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/936637041680551936
AHHAHAHAHHHAA

That is fucking majestic. And Obama canned his ass. Trump was dumb enough to hire the guy. Fucking majestic!
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 01 2017 16:56 GMT
#187634
Not only that they changed why Flynn was fired from lying to Pence.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-01 16:58:58
December 01 2017 16:58 GMT
#187635
Highly likely his testimony/evidence will also show Pence to be the liar we all know he is. I can't wait to see Trumps next tweets.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 01 2017 17:02 GMT
#187636
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21553 Posts
December 01 2017 17:06 GMT
#187637
On December 02 2017 02:02 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/936641081046953986

If he is working to keep his son out of prison?

Everything.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13818 Posts
December 01 2017 17:07 GMT
#187638
On December 02 2017 01:44 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2017 01:42 Sermokala wrote:
I'm pretty sure danglers is bemoaning that the deportations arnt effective and he'll get in again like he did the other times he was deported. Its really not that much to come to these broad conclusions guys.

Sure, but why would you fix bad border security but not deporting illegal immigrants? That's like solving a leaky boat by keeping the water on the inside.

He wasnt saying anything about to deport or not deport he was making a point that deporting him was providing to be ineffective.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 01 2017 17:08 GMT
#187639
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
December 01 2017 17:09 GMT
#187640
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