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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
December 01 2017 16:17 GMT
#187601
On December 02 2017 00:58 pmh wrote:
So that kinda is a big success for trump,his die hard followers where already pretty happy with him and now the donor class should also be satisfied. No matter what you think of trump,he did deliver for the people who will profit from this.
Maybe the attitude of the media towards trump will change a little bit now. Not to much,just a little bit.
Like if media keep bashing trump while quiet a few people are happy with him,then they only push more people away from themselves and into less traditional news sources.

i'd question whether it qualifies as trump delivering it, rather than the congressfolk.
his die hard followers are happy with him even if he actively hurts them, so that doesn't count for much.
the media bashes trump because he deserves to be bashed (well, more because it earns them money really).
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
December 01 2017 16:17 GMT
#187602


The sixth time’s the charm, as they say
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9071 Posts
December 01 2017 16:18 GMT
#187603
On December 02 2017 01:16 Mohdoo wrote:
Flynn saying he'll testify Trump, saying Trump directed him to contact the Russians. Amazing. It's happening. Markets reacting strongly

Seeing the DOW is down -193 pts so far. What's wall st saying is gonna happen? If Flynn testifies against trump and the tax bill goes through, how close to 1929 are we?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44402 Posts
December 01 2017 16:22 GMT
#187604
On December 02 2017 01:17 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/ap/status/936434351599996929

The sixth time’s the charm, as they say

Wait, now you want him to stay in the US?
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
December 01 2017 16:22 GMT
#187605
On December 02 2017 01:18 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2017 01:16 Mohdoo wrote:
Flynn saying he'll testify Trump, saying Trump directed him to contact the Russians. Amazing. It's happening. Markets reacting strongly

Seeing the DOW is down -193 pts so far. What's wall st saying is gonna happen? If Flynn testifies against trump and the tax bill goes through, how close to 1929 are we?

Start taking work very seriously and make sure you're not one of the ones getting laid off
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1416 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-01 16:28:46
December 01 2017 16:22 GMT
#187606
Panic! ha ha. The ticker cant keep up.

Is it that bad if trump did direct him? it kinda is separate from Flynn lying about it. Maybe there where valid reasons for contacting the rusians?
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24459 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-01 16:24:15
December 01 2017 16:23 GMT
#187607
On December 02 2017 01:17 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/ap/status/936434351599996929

The sixth time’s the charm, as they say


You would prefer to pay $30K+/yr and force him to stay in the US?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
December 01 2017 16:25 GMT
#187608
On December 02 2017 01:23 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2017 01:17 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/ap/status/936434351599996929

The sixth time’s the charm, as they say


You would prefer to pay $30K/yr and force him to stay in the US?

I didn't know Danglers was now willing to subsidize illegal immigrants. Quite a turn of heart.
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
December 01 2017 16:25 GMT
#187609
On December 02 2017 01:23 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2017 01:17 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/ap/status/936434351599996929

The sixth time’s the charm, as they say


You would prefer to pay $30K+/yr and force him to stay in the US?


No we would prefer if he couldn't come back
Question.?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44402 Posts
December 01 2017 16:25 GMT
#187610
Graham says that the tax bill is getting passed today.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44402 Posts
December 01 2017 16:26 GMT
#187611
On December 02 2017 01:25 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2017 01:23 GreenHorizons wrote:
On December 02 2017 01:17 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/ap/status/936434351599996929

The sixth time’s the charm, as they say


You would prefer to pay $30K+/yr and force him to stay in the US?


No we would prefer if he couldn't come back

Sure, but those are two separate issues. If border security is bad then that's a reason to improve border security, not to keep illegal immigrants in the country.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1416 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-01 16:33:45
December 01 2017 16:31 GMT
#187612
It would be something if they would get rid of trump right after passing the tax bill. Its probably a very remote possibility but still it did cross my mind.
Or maybe it is used to pressure the republicans who still have doubts about the bill "better pass it now because we wont get another shot"
I dunno,usa politics is weird these days.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-01 16:34:00
December 01 2017 16:33 GMT
#187613
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12610 Posts
December 01 2017 16:33 GMT
#187614
On December 02 2017 01:22 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2017 01:18 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On December 02 2017 01:16 Mohdoo wrote:
Flynn saying he'll testify Trump, saying Trump directed him to contact the Russians. Amazing. It's happening. Markets reacting strongly

Seeing the DOW is down -193 pts so far. What's wall st saying is gonna happen? If Flynn testifies against trump and the tax bill goes through, how close to 1929 are we?

Start taking work very seriously and make sure you're not one of the ones getting laid off


I'd be happy to be wrong but your job isn't the only thing I'd be worried about.

A lot of people really like Trump.
No will to live, no wish to die
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
December 01 2017 16:34 GMT
#187615
On December 02 2017 01:26 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2017 01:25 biology]major wrote:
On December 02 2017 01:23 GreenHorizons wrote:
On December 02 2017 01:17 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/ap/status/936434351599996929

The sixth time’s the charm, as they say


You would prefer to pay $30K+/yr and force him to stay in the US?


No we would prefer if he couldn't come back

Sure, but those are two separate issues. If border security is bad then that's a reason to improve border security, not to keep illegal immigrants in the country.


Ok, keep in mind trump is gonna tap into the anger and frustration around this case for 2020 for his own personal gain. He's going to really abuse this girl's death to ignite his base and brand everyone who disagrees with him as "weak", to which the dems will fall into quite easily
Question.?
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
December 01 2017 16:35 GMT
#187616
State's evidence:

ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
December 01 2017 16:36 GMT
#187617
On December 02 2017 01:33 Doodsmack wrote:
https://twitter.com/joyindc/status/936626652284620800

2nd hand source, i want to believe it but holding my breath
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
December 01 2017 16:37 GMT
#187618
On December 02 2017 01:35 Wulfey_LA wrote:
State's evidence:

https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/936634418403401730


Yeah, as I expected. They had enough to put little boy Flynn in prison for a long time and he had no choice but to protect his family.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
December 01 2017 16:39 GMT
#187619
On December 02 2017 01:31 pmh wrote:
It would be something if they would get rid of trump right after passing the tax bill. Its probably a very remote possibility but still it did cross my mind.
Or maybe it is used to pressure the republicans who still have doubts about the bill "better pass it now because we wont get another shot"
I dunno,usa politics is weird these days.


Nah, any impeachment process works incredibly slowly (and this doesn't seem to be a huge watershed as far as initiating that process would go) and in the incredibly unlikely event of a Trump resignation Pence is just as, if not more, likely to pass a bill they want passed.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44402 Posts
December 01 2017 16:41 GMT
#187620
On December 02 2017 01:34 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2017 01:26 KwarK wrote:
On December 02 2017 01:25 biology]major wrote:
On December 02 2017 01:23 GreenHorizons wrote:
On December 02 2017 01:17 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/ap/status/936434351599996929

The sixth time’s the charm, as they say


You would prefer to pay $30K+/yr and force him to stay in the US?


No we would prefer if he couldn't come back

Sure, but those are two separate issues. If border security is bad then that's a reason to improve border security, not to keep illegal immigrants in the country.


Ok, keep in mind trump is gonna tap into the anger and frustration around this case for 2020 for his own personal gain. He's going to really abuse this girl's death to ignite his base and brand everyone who disagrees with him as "weak", to which the dems will fall into quite easily

Sure, but they'll do the same regardless. Trump's base don't need facts. This is the guy who tweets a video of two non Muslim dutch guys fighting and blames Muslims in the UK.

We should not start perverting justice to appease these people.
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