US Politics Mega-thread - Page 9380

On December 01 2017 23:07 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:

I don't think it was ever outlawed. We .just grew as a society. If you want to duel someone, I'm sure there is a way to have it legalized.

On December 01 2017 23:58 ahswtini wrote:

i suppose you are privy to some information the rest of us are not

On December 01 2017 09:00 xDaunt wrote:
The easy federal money and subsidies for higher education is precisely what has made higher education so damned unaffordable in the first place. Why do we want to perpetuate that cycle? It needs to be dismantled.

Former national security adviser Michael Flynn has agreed to plead guilty Friday to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak, marking another monumental development in the wide-ranging probe of Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller III.

Flynn was expected to enter a plea at 10:30 a.m., according to the special counsel’s office. The charge relates to false statements Flynn made to the FBI on January 24 — four days after President Trump was inaugurated — about his conversations with Kislyak during the transition.

Flynn is accused of making false statements to the FBI about asking the ambassador in late December to “refrain from escalating the situation in response to sanctions that the United States had imposed on Russia that same day.” Flynn also told authorities he did not recall the ambassador “subsequently telling him that Russia has chosen to moderate its response to those sanctions as a result of his request,” according to a court filing. That would suggest there was a second, previously unknown contact between Flynn and Kislyak.

Separately, authorities say Flynn lied about asking the ambassador to delay a vote on United Nations Security Council resolutions.

Flynn is the highest-profile Trump ally — and the first aide who worked in the White House — to face charges in Mueller’s investigation. Trump developed a close rapport with Flynn on the campaign trail, where the general delivered fiery denunciations of Hillary Clinton, including leading a “lock her up” chant at the Republican National Convention, and he gave Trump much-needed national security credentials. Flynn, however, had a mixed reputation among other Trump aides, who thought he gave the president questionable information and they questioned some of his business dealings.

Even after it became clear Flynn had misled Vice President Mike Pence about the contact with Kislyak, Trump was conflicted over firing him — and even said after Flynn left the White House that he may have made a mistake. Trump’s request of former FBI Director James B. Comey to be lenient with Flynn has also come under scrutiny by the special counsel.

In recent weeks, Trump’s lawyers have expected Flynn to plead guilty, particularly after one of Flynn’s lawyer Robert Kelner ended an information-sharing agreement with Trump’s lawyers.

Flynn’s negotiations to cooperate with Mueller’s team began early last month, according to two people briefed on the discussions. Days after former campaign chairman Paul Manafort was indicted, Mueller’s investigators warned Flynn’s lawyers they planned to indict Flynn and also could charge his son, according to the two people who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss private deliberations. Flynn’s lawyers, Kelner and Stephen Anthony, provided a proffer of what information Flynn could provide and then Flynn met with Mueller’s team.

The Wednesday before Thanksgiving, White House lawyer John Dowd contacted Flynn’s team in a sporadic “check-in” call he made to other defense counsel in the Russia probe every few weeks, people familiar with the matter said. Kelner told Dowd on the call that he could no longer communicate with the White House lawyers. That signaled Flynn had begun to cooperate or was already actively seeking to cooperate with the Special Counsel’s office because his lawyers have a duty to shut off communications with other defense teams in either case.

As part of Flynn’s negotiations, Flynn’s son is not expected to be charged, according to a person with knowledge of the talks.

A lawyer for Flynn’s son, Barry Coburn, declined to comment Friday morning. Kelner didn’t respond to requests for comment. A White House spokesman referred questions to White House lawyer Ty Cobb, who didn’t respond to a request for comment.

Flynn’s case was assigned to U.S. District Judge Rudolph “Rudy” Contreras, 55, a 2012 Obama appointee and veteran federal lawyer who joined the civil division of the U.S. Attorney's office in the District in 1994, rising to head the civil division of the Delaware federal prosecutor's office before returning to take the same position in the District in 2006. Contreras also serves on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

The plea caps a stunning fall for the general. A native of Rhode Island who grew up in a larger family of modest means, Flynn joined the Army officer school and chose early in his career to specialize in intelligence. Among his mentors was Gen. Stanley McChrystal, who praised Flynn’s ability in Afghanistan to bond with his soldiers and get results. In 2012, Flynn was named director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, but rankled some subordinates there, who questioned his temperament and decision-making. Obama removed Flynn from the DIA post in October 2014.

Flynn’s son, Michael Flynn Jr., had been considered for a job in the Trump transition, but ultimately was rejected because of the controversy surrounding the messages he has pushed on social media. Among the false stories he promoted was a viral rumor dubbed “Pizzagate” that accused Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and her allies of running a child sex ring out of a pizza parlor in the District. A North Carolina man who believed the reports traveled to Washington last year with a gun, saying he hoped to help free the children.

As Friday’s court filing makes clear, Flynn has been a major investigative target of the FBI’s probe into Russian meddling in the 2016 election. A key question for investigators is whether any Trump associates coordinated with Russian officials to try and sway the presidential race.

Flynn’s contacts with Kislyak are a key issue in the probe, and the plea deal — which still has to be finalized before a judge Friday morning — could open new doors for investigators trying to determine what, if anything, President Trump knew about such contacts.

Flynn has also come under scrutiny for having a secret financial stake in major foreign policy decisions while advising Trump during the campaign, transition and in the brief period he served in the administration.

On December 01 2017 23:52 GreenHorizons wrote:


you're in for a lot of disappointment.

On December 02 2017 00:22 Grumbels wrote:

They can't go all the way with casting Flynn as a foreign agent anyway, or else they will have to investigate the dozens of US politicians being funded by Israel, Saudi-Arabia, or various multinationals. Normally politicians are more careful than Flynn, they don't outright make deals to betray the USA for foreign money, instead they work within existing policy frameworks to achieve this goal.

On December 02 2017 00:58 pmh wrote:
So that kinda is a big success for trump,his die hard followers where already pretty happy with him and now the donor class should also be satisfied. No matter what you think of trump,he did deliver for the people who will profit from this.
Maybe the attitude of the media towards trump will change a little bit now. Not to much,just a little bit.
Like if media keep bashing trump while quiet a few people are happy with him,then they only push more people away from themselves and into less traditional news sources.

On December 02 2017 00:58 pmh wrote:
So that kinda is a big success for trump,his die hard followers where already pretty happy with him and now the donor class should also be satisfied. No matter what you think of trump,he did deliver for the people who will profit from this.
Maybe the attitude of the media towards trump will change a little bit now. Not to much,just a little bit.
Like if media keep bashing trump while quiet a few people are happy with him,then they only push more people away from themselves and into less traditional news sources.