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Kyadytim
Profile Joined March 2009
United States886 Posts
November 15 2017 06:09 GMT
#184821

What did he do, copy and paste and then forget to change the location before posting it?
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-15 06:13:42
November 15 2017 06:13 GMT
#184822
https://www.cardsagainsthumanitysavesamerica.com/

CAH is buying up a plot of land on the border to drastically slow down the border wall.
If the border wall does go through, CAH will tie up the court system for literally years if they try doing eminent domain to claim it back.

They managed to get 100k to dig a big hole for no fucking reason, so the fact that this sold out in hours isn't really surprising.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45776 Posts
November 15 2017 06:22 GMT
#184823
On November 15 2017 14:09 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2017 13:52 Nyxisto wrote:
the US has a mass shooting pretty much every week, sooner or later that's bound to coincide with a senator being attacked. you're hunting for patterns in the noise. I don't think there has been any evidence that should lead anybody to believe that the two incidents are connected or that there is anything especially mysterious about either one.

I don't know what this has to do with Islamic terrorism or not doing anything about it. There's plenty of things that can be done about it, there's just nothing spooky about it.

The US does not have a mass shooting every week.

Senators being attacked is rare.

Throwing up your hands in mystification and helplessness is a pretty dumb thing to do. I’d like answers.


The United States has, on average, a mass shooting every day. A mass shooting is conventionally defined as 4 or more casualties from a single incident, and it's been about one per day for at least the past few years.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Rimstalker
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany734 Posts
November 15 2017 07:08 GMT
#184824
from this article, it seems that Rand bought property in a community that had strict regulations, and he was arguing with the other home owners often: https://boingboing.net/2017/11/09/leaf-blower-resentment.html
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23930 Posts
November 15 2017 07:11 GMT
#184825
On November 15 2017 16:08 Rimstalker wrote:
from this article, it seems that Rand bought property in a community that had strict regulations, and he was arguing with the other home owners often: https://boingboing.net/2017/11/09/leaf-blower-resentment.html


But Jim Skaggs, who developed the gate-guarded community in Bowling Green where Paul and Boucher both live, suggests that there was longstanding tension between Paul and many of his neighbors, including Boucher, due to the Senator's inability to compromise on such matters as lawn-trimmings, overhanging tree branches, and the community's extensive Homeowners Association guidelines, which minutely prescribe how people in the community must conduct themselves.

Paul is a legendary property-rights ideologue, named for Ayn Rand. Mysteriously, he decided to buy a home in a community where the other property owners subjected buyers to contracts that bound their behavior and then decided that the sanctity of that contract could be unilaterally overriden, insisting on personal variances.

Paul is said to have had a history of blowing his lawn trimmings onto his neighbors' property.


ROFL I hadn't read this but that's exactly like I imagined it.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28792 Posts
November 15 2017 07:55 GMT
#184826
lool yeah that makes absolutely perfect sense. :D
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8074 Posts
November 15 2017 08:17 GMT
#184827
I mean when you are named after Ayn Rand, there is little chances things are gonna go another way.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
November 15 2017 08:18 GMT
#184828
HOAs are just the worst. Trying to tell you how to weed, cut your lawn, trim your hedges, then the next thing you know they're breaking your ribs. Typical.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8074 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-15 10:09:09
November 15 2017 10:08 GMT
#184829
On November 15 2017 17:18 Tachion wrote:
HOAs are just the worst. Trying to tell you how to weed, cut your lawn, trim your hedges, then the next thing you know they're breaking your ribs. Typical.

But remember he signed the contract freely and no law or regulation should ever limit the freedom of making people sign completely abusive contracts.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10881 Posts
November 15 2017 11:08 GMT
#184830
Its almost like Libertarians are hypocrits.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-15 14:04:48
November 15 2017 14:01 GMT
#184831
On November 15 2017 15:09 Kyadytim wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/930655291569524736
What did he do, copy and paste and then forget to change the location before posting it?


Deleting more official communication records, shame on you Mr. Trump.

On November 15 2017 14:29 Doodsmack wrote:
Hannity's off the Roy Moore train. Wasn't hard to predict that more accusers and stories would come out.


No RNC money means they don't have much fuel for the turnout engine. Hannity can't bear to back a loser.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 15 2017 14:15 GMT
#184832
Apparently the letter from 50 something pastors was forged, because a lot of the pastors are saying they never signed it. Moore’s entire campaign is dancing dangerously close to fraud.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
November 15 2017 14:18 GMT
#184833
Doug Jones for Senate! seems less and less idealistic by the day :D
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
November 15 2017 14:19 GMT
#184834
On November 15 2017 14:23 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2017 14:09 Danglars wrote:
On November 15 2017 13:52 Nyxisto wrote:
the US has a mass shooting pretty much every week, sooner or later that's bound to coincide with a senator being attacked. you're hunting for patterns in the noise. I don't think there has been any evidence that should lead anybody to believe that the two incidents are connected or that there is anything especially mysterious about either one.

I don't know what this has to do with Islamic terrorism or not doing anything about it. There's plenty of things that can be done about it, there's just nothing spooky about it.

The US does not have a mass shooting every week.

Senators being attacked is rare.

Throwing up your hands in mystification and helplessness is a pretty dumb thing to do. I’d like answers.

What's the definition of mass shooting you're using? A quick Google search indicated to me that the US has mass shootings considerably more frequently than once a week, which doesn't seem like it supports the argument you're trying to make. It is true that mass shootings of the scale of the Las Vegas shooting are unusual.

With respect to the Rand Paul thing, what is dissatisfactory to you about this explanation?

People do not walk into churches and kill 26 people or rent a hotel room and shoot 58 people every week. I understand it's tough to systematize a definition, but gang violence in Democratic strongholds does not make national headlines. Quibbling at this point when my point was clear maybe be your thing, but it isn't mine.
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2017 14:01 Nevuk wrote:...
The rand Paul attack was pretty clearly personal, they were neighbors. Both men seem to be trying to keep it private so I'm assuming it would be bad for both if the reason came out.
...


Also, to be absolutely clear, are you saying that the two events might be related, or do you just want answers about them individually?

Both, thanks.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23930 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-15 14:26:43
November 15 2017 14:24 GMT
#184835
On November 15 2017 23:19 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2017 14:23 Aquanim wrote:
On November 15 2017 14:09 Danglars wrote:
On November 15 2017 13:52 Nyxisto wrote:
the US has a mass shooting pretty much every week, sooner or later that's bound to coincide with a senator being attacked. you're hunting for patterns in the noise. I don't think there has been any evidence that should lead anybody to believe that the two incidents are connected or that there is anything especially mysterious about either one.

I don't know what this has to do with Islamic terrorism or not doing anything about it. There's plenty of things that can be done about it, there's just nothing spooky about it.

The US does not have a mass shooting every week.

Senators being attacked is rare.

Throwing up your hands in mystification and helplessness is a pretty dumb thing to do. I’d like answers.

What's the definition of mass shooting you're using? A quick Google search indicated to me that the US has mass shootings considerably more frequently than once a week, which doesn't seem like it supports the argument you're trying to make. It is true that mass shootings of the scale of the Las Vegas shooting are unusual.

With respect to the Rand Paul thing, what is dissatisfactory to you about this explanation?

People do not walk into churches and kill 26 people or rent a hotel room and shoot 58 people every week. I understand it's tough to systematize a definition, but gang violence in Democratic strongholds does not make national headlines. Quibbling at this point when my point was clear maybe be your thing, but it isn't mine.
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2017 14:01 Nevuk wrote:...
The rand Paul attack was pretty clearly personal, they were neighbors. Both men seem to be trying to keep it private so I'm assuming it would be bad for both if the reason came out.
...


Also, to be absolutely clear, are you saying that the two events might be related, or do you just want answers about them individually?

Both, thanks.


Well if you add in the guy who tried to shoot up a school yesterday the thing all of the events have in common is they were all committed by white men.

You know a major reason gang violence isn't on the news is because they don't solve it. The whole "let them kill themselves" isn't just something people made up out of thin air
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 15 2017 14:30 GMT
#184836
The number one common them among mass shooters is domestic violence.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/11/07/562387350/in-texas-and-beyond-mass-shootings-have-roots-in-domestic-violence

While perpetrators of domestic violence account for only about 10 percent of all gun violence, they accounted for 54 percent of mass shootings between 2009 and 2016, according to the advocacy group Everytown for Gun Safety, so there is a disproportionate link, Webster tells Kodjak.


And remember, that is just convicted abusers. That means domestic violence charges were reported and a conviction obtained. The number is likely well over 54%
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 15 2017 14:44 GMT
#184837
On November 15 2017 23:19 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2017 14:23 Aquanim wrote:
On November 15 2017 14:09 Danglars wrote:
On November 15 2017 13:52 Nyxisto wrote:
the US has a mass shooting pretty much every week, sooner or later that's bound to coincide with a senator being attacked. you're hunting for patterns in the noise. I don't think there has been any evidence that should lead anybody to believe that the two incidents are connected or that there is anything especially mysterious about either one.

I don't know what this has to do with Islamic terrorism or not doing anything about it. There's plenty of things that can be done about it, there's just nothing spooky about it.

The US does not have a mass shooting every week.

Senators being attacked is rare.

Throwing up your hands in mystification and helplessness is a pretty dumb thing to do. I’d like answers.

What's the definition of mass shooting you're using? A quick Google search indicated to me that the US has mass shootings considerably more frequently than once a week, which doesn't seem like it supports the argument you're trying to make. It is true that mass shootings of the scale of the Las Vegas shooting are unusual.

With respect to the Rand Paul thing, what is dissatisfactory to you about this explanation?

People do not walk into churches and kill 26 people or rent a hotel room and shoot 58 people every week. I understand it's tough to systematize a definition, but gang violence in Democratic strongholds does not make national headlines. Quibbling at this point when my point was clear maybe be your thing, but it isn't mine.
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2017 14:01 Nevuk wrote:...
The rand Paul attack was pretty clearly personal, they were neighbors. Both men seem to be trying to keep it private so I'm assuming it would be bad for both if the reason came out.
...


Also, to be absolutely clear, are you saying that the two events might be related, or do you just want answers about them individually?

Both, thanks.

I think you missed the middle question, to wit: what is suspicious to you about Rand Paul getting into a altercation with his neighbour about lawn maintenance or whatever?
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-15 14:46:01
November 15 2017 14:44 GMT
#184838
On November 15 2017 16:11 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2017 16:08 Rimstalker wrote:
from this article, it seems that Rand bought property in a community that had strict regulations, and he was arguing with the other home owners often: https://boingboing.net/2017/11/09/leaf-blower-resentment.html


Show nested quote +
But Jim Skaggs, who developed the gate-guarded community in Bowling Green where Paul and Boucher both live, suggests that there was longstanding tension between Paul and many of his neighbors, including Boucher, due to the Senator's inability to compromise on such matters as lawn-trimmings, overhanging tree branches, and the community's extensive Homeowners Association guidelines, which minutely prescribe how people in the community must conduct themselves.

Paul is a legendary property-rights ideologue, named for Ayn Rand. Mysteriously, he decided to buy a home in a community where the other property owners subjected buyers to contracts that bound their behavior and then decided that the sanctity of that contract could be unilaterally overriden, insisting on personal variances.

Paul is said to have had a history of blowing his lawn trimmings onto his neighbors' property.


ROFL I hadn't read this but that's exactly like I imagined it.


when a libertarian and HOA (petty governance) collide...

On November 15 2017 23:15 Plansix wrote:
Apparently the letter from 50 something pastors was forged, because a lot of the pastors are saying they never signed it. Moore’s entire campaign is dancing dangerously close to fraud.


i read that the endorsements were from some other thing that happen prior to the creeper news coming out. i guess he figured that if they endorsed him prior they'd be okay now too, right? no expiration dates on endorsements.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22311 Posts
November 15 2017 14:48 GMT
#184839
Trump flat out lied about endorsements and it didn't hurt him. Why shouldn't Moore try to do it aswell?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
November 15 2017 14:49 GMT
#184840
On November 15 2017 23:44 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2017 23:19 Danglars wrote:
On November 15 2017 14:23 Aquanim wrote:
On November 15 2017 14:09 Danglars wrote:
On November 15 2017 13:52 Nyxisto wrote:
the US has a mass shooting pretty much every week, sooner or later that's bound to coincide with a senator being attacked. you're hunting for patterns in the noise. I don't think there has been any evidence that should lead anybody to believe that the two incidents are connected or that there is anything especially mysterious about either one.

I don't know what this has to do with Islamic terrorism or not doing anything about it. There's plenty of things that can be done about it, there's just nothing spooky about it.

The US does not have a mass shooting every week.

Senators being attacked is rare.

Throwing up your hands in mystification and helplessness is a pretty dumb thing to do. I’d like answers.

What's the definition of mass shooting you're using? A quick Google search indicated to me that the US has mass shootings considerably more frequently than once a week, which doesn't seem like it supports the argument you're trying to make. It is true that mass shootings of the scale of the Las Vegas shooting are unusual.

With respect to the Rand Paul thing, what is dissatisfactory to you about this explanation?

People do not walk into churches and kill 26 people or rent a hotel room and shoot 58 people every week. I understand it's tough to systematize a definition, but gang violence in Democratic strongholds does not make national headlines. Quibbling at this point when my point was clear maybe be your thing, but it isn't mine.
On November 15 2017 14:01 Nevuk wrote:...
The rand Paul attack was pretty clearly personal, they were neighbors. Both men seem to be trying to keep it private so I'm assuming it would be bad for both if the reason came out.
...


Also, to be absolutely clear, are you saying that the two events might be related, or do you just want answers about them individually?

Both, thanks.

I think you missed the middle question, to wit: what is suspicious to you about Rand Paul getting into a altercation with his neighbour about lawn maintenance or whatever?

He wouldn't have tweeted out this article conflicting reports.


We still don't know about either.
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